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[quote=CRedskinsRule;577334]why?[/quote]

I'll second that question. A few years back (07) Gibbs wanted to win in preseason because the team's previous season was so downhill from preseason to game 16. This team won some tough games last year, the team doesn't need a psychological boost of winning a meaningless game. What the offense needs is time to gel, but I don't think Zorn cares about the final outcome that much if he sees some improvement.

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[quote=JLee9718;577332]Not many teams get shut out, but I think the Redskins might be just a little underrated. However,[b] I would change QB's fast if we don't generate some kind of offense.[/b] Zorn should make sure he gives the team the best chance to win, even in a preseason game. I would rather see Chase starting at QB if we're going to put zeroes up on offense.[/quote]
No offense, but didn't they try and do that twice this off season already? Tried to get Cutler and Sanchez, right?

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[quote=freddyg12;577304]I'd say the cowpokes had a great offseason w/one exception; no signficant picks or free agents on the o line. I think the Kitna pickup was smart as was Olshansky. And especially getting TO out will help big time.

You guys all forgot about Keith Brooking.
He's a bit old but should be an upgrade over Z. Thomas. Also, Carpenter is another young OLB that at least provides solid depth. Their draft should bolster some positions & improve special teams.

The g-men & iggles are getting most of the attention, but skins v. boyz might be what decides the div. I wouldn't sleep on either one.[/quote]

I disagree man. I REALLY don't buy the addition by subtraction argument. You're losing a Hall of Fame WR and couldn't even make a first round draft pick. You can say losing all those guys was a good move, but people who are banking on rookies coming in and performing as well as those vets are going to be extremely disappointed.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;577347]I disagree man. I REALLY don't buy the addition by subtraction argument. You're losing a Hall of Fame WR and [b]couldn't even make a first round draft pick.[/b] You can say losing all those guys was a good move, but people who are banking on rookies coming in and performing as well as those vets are going to be extremely disappointed.[/quote]
I dont understand the couldn't make a first round pick part????

Dallas did not even have a first round pick, it was traded to Detroit.

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Right. That's what I was saying.

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There was a discussion about the Cowboys today on our local sports talk show. Losing Terrell Owens and replacing him with Roy Williams was probably a boneheaded move by Jerry Jones. Williams may turn out to be a decent receiver, but nowhere near what Owens was able to produce. Then on top of that you give up two 1st round picks for him??? Yikes.

Williams would have to give you a couple of MVP seasons and a bust in Canton for that deal make any sense.

Witten is a great tight end, and you have a nice running game with Marion Barber. But take it from fans who know a thing or two about piss-poor offense: a great tight end and a good running game are not enough to get the job done offensively.

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Do teams actually double cover Roy Williams?

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[quote=Beemnseven;577408]There was a discussion about the Cowboys today on our local sports talk show. Losing Terrell Owens and replacing him with Roy Williams was probably a boneheaded move by Jerry Jones. Williams may turn out to be a decent receiver, but nowhere near what Owens was able to produce. Then on top of that you give up two 1st round picks for him??? Yikes.

Williams would have to give you a couple of MVP seasons and a bust in Canton for that deal make any sense.

Witten is a great tight end, and you have a nice running game with Marion Barber. But take it from fans who know a thing or two about piss-poor offense: a great tight end and [B]a good running game[/B] are not enough to get the job done offensively.[/quote]

I agree that they grossly overpaid for Roy Williams. That said, their running game has a chance to be not good, but great. Barber is a stud, Felix Jones looked amazing last year before getting injured, and Tashard Choice looked more than capable as a #2 when he went down. Now Jones is healthy. Their O-line isn't the caliber of the Giants, but they will have a very potent 3 headed attack out of the backfield.

They still suck.

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I agree! The Raiders are sure very talented and they could have been a very strong contender!

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[quote=GMScud;577444]I agree that they grossly overpaid for Roy Williams. That said, their running game has a chance to be not good, but great. Barber is a stud, Felix Jones looked amazing last year before getting injured, and Tashard Choice looked more than capable as a #2 when he went down.[B] Now Jones is healthy[/B]. Their O-line isn't the caliber of the Giants, but they will have a very potent 3 headed attack out of the backfield.

They still suck.[/quote]

If Jones stays healthy he will be an exceptional threat. That said, he had a hurt toe, which for a runner can be difficult. Their O-line is barely the caliber of ours, let alone the Giants. They have an aging false start prone left tackle, the interior is ok, but aging, and their RT is average, with only one decent looking backup in Doug Free. Romo certainly will be more vulnerable. Appears he's learned how to hold on to the ball better though :(.

They still suck.

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[quote=Beemnseven;577408]There was a discussion about the Cowboys today on our local sports talk show. Losing Terrell Owens and replacing him with Roy Williams was probably a boneheaded move by Jerry Jones. Williams may turn out to be a decent receiver, but nowhere near what Owens was able to produce. [B]Then on top of that you give up two 1st round picks for him???[/B] Yikes.

Williams would have to give you a couple of MVP seasons and a bust in Canton for that deal make any sense.

Witten is a great tight end, and you have a nice running game with Marion Barber. But take it from fans who know a thing or two about piss-poor offense: a great tight end and a good running game are not enough to get the job done offensively.[/quote]

Where does everyone keep coming up with 2 first round picks traded for Roy Williams?

For the record

The Lions received the Cowboys' 2009 first-round pick, a third-round pick and sixth-round pick. The Cowboys get Detroit's 2009 seventh-round pick in the Williams trade.

So in essence, Dallas traded a first and a third for Williams.
And they traded thier 6th round pick in exchange for Detroits 7th round pick.

Only 2 draft picks were traded for Roy Williams.

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[quote=GMScud;577444]I agree that they grossly overpaid for Roy Williams. That said, their running game has a chance to be not good, but great. Barber is a stud, Felix Jones looked amazing last year before getting injured, and Tashard Choice looked more than capable as a #2 when he went down. Now Jones is healthy. Their O-line isn't the caliber of the Giants, but they will have a very potent 3 headed attack out of the backfield.

They still suck.[/quote]

Yes, they do have three talented backs. But neither Barber nor Jones have been true feature backs, either in the pros or in college. And Jones especially is injury prone. IMHO Choice is the only complete back on their roster. So they are a bit less than a true three-headed beast.

The folks up front for them, presumably opening the holes, are also aged and injury prone. We'll have to see but it is possible that none of those backs runs very far behind that line.

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[quote=Lotus;577489]Yes, they do have three talented backs. But neither Barber nor Jones have been true feature backs, either in the pros or in college. And Jones especially is injury prone. IMHO Choice is the only complete back on their roster. So they are a bit less than a true three-headed beast.

The folks up front for them, presumably opening the holes, are also aged and injury prone. We'll have to see but it is possible that none of those backs runs very far behind that line.[/quote]

I can't think of any team off hand that has 3 backs of that caliber. Choice is an avg. nfl back, but he could be at least a #2 on many teams if not start for a few. Jones & Barber are both really good. I don't recall Jones being hurt much in college, just last year. He's a guy that has breakaway speed & ability, got to keep an eye on him at all times. He will be particularly dangerous in the flats on screens, drop offs.

Barber was their feature back last year. It wasn't his fault the team fell off. He had a good year & always plays hard, runs, blocks, recieves.

Their line has been really good the last couple years, but the only thing I agree w/you on is that this year they might see serious drop off. They're getting older & slower. Run blocking is their strong suit though, and if healthy they should be able to do that. I look for their pass pro to be an issue.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;577460][B]Where does everyone keep coming up with 2 first round picks traded for Roy Williams? [/B]

For the record

The Lions received the Cowboys' 2009 first-round pick, a third-round pick and sixth-round pick. The Cowboys get Detroit's 2009 seventh-round pick in the Williams trade.

So in essence, Dallas traded a first and a third for Williams.
And they traded thier 6th round pick in exchange for Detroits 7th round pick.

Only 2 draft picks were traded for Roy Williams.[/quote]

Probably thinking back to the stellar Joey Galloway trade a few years back.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;577460]Where does everyone keep coming up with 2 first round picks traded for Roy Williams?

For the record

<blah blah blah>

[B] Only 2 draft picks were traded for Roy Williams.[/B][/quote]

They still overpaid.

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Just watched 1st half of cowboys,didnt see them last week,but I know they scored.If they are awful,then i dont know what we are.They look like a well oiled machine and Romo looks like robo qb.He just took his team 80 yrds in 42 seconds to score.Please,please JC have a good game this week

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Yeah, disgusting though it is, they looked pretty good. I agree that the health and age of the o-line is the key for them.

But the roids have started strong a bunch of times now, and fade either late or in the playoffs. Will the line and Romo still be a "well-oiled machine" then?

Titans looked like the miss big Al. All those "all-pros" on that D may have benefited a bit from the big man in the middle. For the record, I do think they're a good D--Fisher always puts a tough group out there. But they're going to have to adjust, no doubt.

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[quote=JWsleep;577949]Yeah, disgusting though it is, they looked pretty good. I agree that the health and age of the o-line is the key for them.

But the roids have started strong a bunch of times now, and fade either late or in the playoffs. Will the line and Romo still be a "well-oiled machine" then?

[B]Titans looked like the miss big Al.[/B] All those "all-pros" on that D may have benefited a bit from the big man in the middle. For the record, I do think they're a good D--Fisher always puts a tough group out there. But they're going to have to adjust, no doubt.[/quote]

I don't know how much it means, but they also have a different DC this year. Their tackling hasn't been the greatest in this game either.

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[quote=53Fan;577952]I don't know how much it means, but they also have a different DC this year. Their tackling hasn't been the greatest in this game either.[/quote]

Right--those things (new DC) do matter, but it's hard to tell yet. Agreed about the tackling.

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They do look a lot better today than they did last week, but the penalty/undiscipline are still a major issue. There have been at least two blatant false starts not called on Flozell Adams, who usually leads the league every year. You don't think that he's aware that most pass rushers are a step faster than him?

Dallas' first team was not the issue, maybe Oakland's first defense is just good. I wouldn't read too much into their defensive dominance in this one: I think most teams are going to dominate the Tennessee offense this year. Kerry Collins has looked very bad.

We've seen the flashes from their running game here, and the biggest improvement from last week is in the timing of the passing game looks very sharp. But they don't looked like a team without flaws, and there's nothing that says we can't do just as well tomorrow.

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Hey GTripp. Do you know if there's any truth to the rumor that Roger Goodall has passed something called the "Jerry Jones Rule"? Something about if there is a salary cap next year, bail money will count against the cap?

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[quote=53Fan;577966]Hey GTripp. Do you know if there's any truth to the rumor that Roger Goodall has passed something called the "Jerry Jones Rule"? Something about if there is a salary cap next year, bail money will count against the cap?[/quote]Haven't heard the first thing about that. It's a good way to make the salary cap useful again, if it's true. Otherwise, you might as well just rid yourself of the thing because it's helping nobody.

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I know this is off topic but Michael Turner has been tearing it up so far. 2 games, 2 big runs.

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I think it's a case of Tennessee missing AH. I know on one play early both DE's were near Romo, but the DTs were blown off the line and Romo just stepped up. I think all of the East will be tough, but Dallas still will be last.

Remember, they still suck.

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[quote=53Fan;577966]Hey GTripp. Do you know if there's any truth to the rumor that Roger Goodall has passed something called the "Jerry Jones Rule"? Something about if there is a salary cap next year, [B]bail money[/B] will count against the cap?[/quote]HA! Just got it!

Nice!

:lol:

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I did hear jerry jones is looking into hiring P. Burress as head of security when he is free :) Should do a bang up job .

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Q: Four Cowboys are in a car. Who's driving?
A: The police.

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A man walks into a bar in Dallas and sits down for a drink. He noted a dog intently watching a playoff game involving the Cowboys. Whenever the opposition scored the dog would jump onto the bar and do an animated dance. This happened over and over as the opposition scored again and again. At the end of the game the dog let out a loud howl and ran out of the bar. The man thought that was pretty unusual and said to the bartender, "Gee that's amazing. What doe's the dog do when the Cowboys WIN a playoff game?" The bartender replied, " I have no idea. The dogs only 12 years old."

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[quote=53Fan;577978]A man walks into a bar in Dallas and sits down for a drink. He noted a dog intently watching a playoff game involving the Cowboys. Whenever the opposition scored the dog would jump onto the bar and do an animated dance. This happened over and over as the opposition scored again and again. At the end of the game the dog let out a loud howl and ran out of the bar. The man thought that was pretty unusual and said to the bartender, "Gee that's amazing. What doe's the dog do when the Cowboys WIN a playoff game?" The bartender replied, " I have no idea. The dogs only 12 years old."[/quote]

:laughing2

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I guess after a really good outing time to pull out some old cowboy jokes that are irrelevant nowadays. Maybe the Redskins can manage 30 total points in the final three preseason games LOL anemic offense lol.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;577983]I guess after a really good outing time to pull out some old cowboy jokes that are irrelevant nowadays. Maybe the Redskins can manage 30 total points in the final three preseason games LOL anemic offense lol.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that the joke about the dog is not "irrelevant nowadays." In fact, the dog in the joke could have been a couple of years older.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;577983]I guess after a really good outing time to pull out some old cowboy jokes that are irrelevant nowadays. Maybe the Redskins can manage 30 total points in the final three preseason games LOL anemic offense lol.[/quote]

Anytime's a good time to joke the Cowgirls. This is a Redskins site in case you hadn't noticed.

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[quote=Lotus;577985]I'm pretty sure that the joke about the dog is not "irrelevant nowadays." In fact, the dog in the joke could have been a couple of years older.[/quote]

well how bout this, negative comments after a good outing.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;577983]I guess after a really good outing time to pull out some old cowboy jokes that are irrelevant nowadays. Maybe the Redskins can manage 30 total points in the final three preseason games LOL anemic offense lol.[/quote]

It doesn't matter what we score in the pre-season. Also, is anyone surprised that Dallas did well tonight? They are the definition of front runners. They are going to be good in September and October. But when games start to matter that is when their quarterback's throat closes...and it is the best recurring theme in the NFL.

Nice stadium, Ranchgirl. Was it 2 billion for one that you can actually punt in? ah haha hah

And I thought that Ladell Bettis was embarassing? This is off the charts.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;577992]It doesn't matter what we score in the pre-season. Also, is anyone surprised that Dallas did well tonight? They are the definition of front runners. They are going to be good in September and October. But when games start to matter that is when their quarterback's throat closes...and it is the best recurring theme in the NFL.

Nice stadium, Ranchgirl. Was it 2 billion for one that you can actually punt in? ah haha hah

And I thought that Ladell Bettis was embarassing? This is off the charts.[/quote]

The out of this world HDTV is annoying but can be fixed not sure why those fing dummies did not think about punters.

Romo's gitters are something I can only hope can be fixed.

Ladell Bettis lol ish happens.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;577992]It doesn't matter what we score in the pre-season. Also, is anyone surprised that Dallas did well tonight? They are the definition of front runners. They are going to be good in September and October. But when games start to matter that is when their quarterback's throat closes...and it is the best recurring theme in the NFL.

Nice stadium, Ranchgirl. Was it 2 billion for one that you can actually punt in? ah haha hah

[B]And I thought that Ladell Bettis was embarassing? This is off the charts.[/B][/quote]

No kidding. If you want to get people laughing at the Cowboys now, all you have to do is say "stadium screen." We'll be howling about this for years.

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[quote=Lotus;577998]No kidding. If you want to get people laughing at the Cowboys now, all you have to do is say "stadium screen." We'll be howling about this for years.[/quote]

I guess it will be something to lighten up the pain of the Redskins not making it to the Superbowl or winning the division anytime soon.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;578003]I guess it will be something to lighten up the pain of the Redskins not making it to the Superbowl or winning the division anytime soon.[/quote]

Coming from you that carries a lot of weight. :doh:

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;578003]I guess it will be something to lighten up the pain of the Redskins not making it to the Superbowl or winning the division anytime soon.[/quote]

And you last won a playoff game when? Cowboys fans really are in no position to talk trash. You and your owner are the laughing stock of the league right now, and I promise that they will not have a Super Bowl there in the current configuration. You just built a 1.2 billion dollar concert hall. Maybe they can play in the old dump until they send that big screen back to Mitsubishi.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;577983]I guess after a really good outing time to pull out some old cowboy jokes that are irrelevant nowadays. Maybe the Redskins can manage 30 total points in the final three preseason games LOL anemic offense lol.[/quote]Not to pile on too much, but if that's the definition of a [I]really [/I]good outing, you'll want to savor your wins over the Chiefs and Broncos this year.

The Cowboys looked much improved today, which is a positive indicator, but they are still way behind in the division race.

Now, watch the Redskins go out and lose 40-0 tomorrow because I said that.