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[quote=GTripp0012;635677]Maybe Hall can?

I mean, with his ball skills, maybe he'd be most valuable playing the deep middle? Perhaps he's just out of position at corner?[/quote]
great point, that makes a lot of sense plus I'd rather see him picking off passes instead of trying to make difficult tackles like QB's and such..

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[quote=47FAN;635696]i could have heard it wrong but on the post game on 102.1 they said something about dan chewing zorns ass? anyone hear?[/quote]

Hadn't heard. I've heard about Snyder yelling at Cerrato (I think after the Lions game) but hadn't heard anything about Zorn

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Poor Texans...+11 in pt. differential, and now at 5-7. Of course, with the Steelers loss, they aren't quite out of it (if the Jags lose 3 of 4).

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I think I heard on the WTEM that Cerrato bitched at Zorn after the game...

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I hate this. For so many reasons. 3 straight games where we take care of business for 50+ minutes and we end up losing. And for me the worst part is, for all the positives we see, what of them will be positives for us next season? Because at this point it's clearly about evaluating the guys who will be here next season, and who needs to go.

What if Snyder doesn't get rid of Cerrato? What if we clean house, including JC, who has played excellent despite everything going on this season except for late game drives? What if someone new comes in next season at qb and destroys all the progress DT and FD have made? What if we don't get a competent guy who can run football operations? What if this season is a preview of the next ten years under Snyder? Lame duck head coaches who get soft in the red zone and play for the game clinching field goal that never materializes due to a crappy kicker who can't handle pressure?

Look at all the positives from here today. What will happen to all the progress we've made as an offense these last few games? From what I see an upheaval will happen at the end of the year but there's no guarantee Snyder or Cerrato will change. I could look at several positives from this game that might not be here next season.

- JC
- New play calling system that is actually putting up points
- Progress and chemistry DT and FD have made with JC (might not sync with possible new qb
- RB depth impressing (Ganther, Cartwright might be relegated to doing jack shit once Betts/Portis are healthy again)

As for the negatives such as Shaun Suisham, what happens if in 4 weeks everybody forgets that he shanks with games on the line and he comes back as kicker next year? We're opening ourselves up to the same kind of disappointment we've had for 3 seasons now.

I can't blame the refs because every once in a while you have a game where it feels like the refs make questionable calls. Those are out of our hands and as much as I was pissed at the refs for blowing calls today it's an unfortunate fact of life in the NFL that every team has to deal with.

It tears me apart watching these games week after week. The Redskins could write a new book on how to lose games that you've controlled for 50+ minutes. To be honest, I'm not excited about the future at all. I don't know how I can keep forcing myself to watch knowing the current regime given it's indication, doesn't have any idea on how to mold a successful franchise in the NFL.

I've never considered myself to be a hateful or insane type person, but after today's loss I'm starting to believe the Redskins will drive me to the brink of insanity for as long as I live if things don't change.

And to make things clear when I say if things don't change I don't mean new head coach and bringing in a bunch of new players, I mean if drastic, front office, management, philosophical, smart, whatever you want to call it type changes aren't made. I don't have a headache but I feel like the Redskins just threw a grenade in my head and said enjoy the confusion, the chaos, the false hope, and the appearance of a franchise headed in the right direction that we will give you. The Redskins have made me so mind numbingly inane that I don't even feel like I just typed a composed, literate post.

Hopefully for my sake one of these days I just get over being dragged into false hope by the Skins long enough to stop caring like so many of my Skins fan friends have done so that I can find 16 better things to do with my Sundays.

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Let's take a step back and realize that the saints won by 3 after two absurdly fluke plays and horrible officiating...Redskins were better and the saints know it

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[quote=mooby;635728]I hate this. For so many reasons. 3 straight games where we take care of business for 50+ minutes and we end up losing. And for me the worst part is, for all the positives we see, what of them will be positives for us next season? Because at this point it's clearly about evaluating the guys who will be here next season, and who needs to go.[/quote]

Well if we beat teams like the Lions, Chiefs, even Panthers these losses are easier to swallow

[quote]What if Snyder doesn't get rid of Cerrato? What if we clean house, including JC, who has played excellent despite everything going on this season except for late game drives? What if someone new comes in next season at qb and destroys all the progress DT and FD have made? What if we don't get a competent guy who can run football operations? What if this season is a preview of the next ten years under Snyder? Lame duck head coaches who get soft in the red zone and play for the game clinching field goal that never materializes due to a crappy kicker who can't handle pressure?[/quote]

Let's give some credit to Cerrato. He did after all bring us DT and FD, didn't he? And Sherman Lewis

[quote]Look at all the positives from here today. What will happen to all the progress we've made as an offense these last few games? From what I see an upheaval will happen at the end of the year but there's no guarantee Snyder or Cerrato will change. I could look at several positives from this game that might not be here next season.

- JC
- New play calling system that is actually putting up points
- Progress and chemistry DT and FD have made with JC (might not sync with possible new qb
- RB depth impressing (Ganther, Cartwright might be relegated to doing jack shit once Betts/Portis are healthy again)

As for the negatives such as Shaun Suisham, what happens if in 4 weeks everybody forgets that he shanks with games on the line and he comes back as kicker next year? We're opening ourselves up to the same kind of disappointment we've had for 3 seasons now.

I can't blame the refs because every once in a while you have a game where it feels like the refs make questionable calls. Those are out of our hands and as much as I was pissed at the refs for blowing calls today it's an unfortunate fact of life in the NFL that every team has to deal with.

It tears me apart watching these games week after week. The Redskins could write a new book on how to lose games that you've controlled for 50+ minutes. To be honest, I'm not excited about the future at all. I don't know how I can keep forcing myself to watch knowing the current regime given it's indication, doesn't have any idea on how to mold a successful franchise in the NFL.

I've never considered myself to be a hateful or insane type person, but after today's loss I'm starting to believe the Redskins will drive me to the brink of insanity for as long as I live if things don't change.

And to make things clear when I say if things don't change I don't mean new head coach and bringing in a bunch of new players, I mean if drastic, front office, management, philosophical, smart, whatever you want to call it type changes aren't made. I don't have a headache but I feel like the Redskins just threw a grenade in my head and said enjoy the confusion, the chaos, the false hope, and the appearance of a franchise headed in the right direction that we will give you. The Redskins have made me so mind numbingly inane that I don't even feel like I just typed a composed, literate post.

Hopefully for my sake one of these days I just get over being dragged into false hope by the Skins long enough to stop caring like so many of my Skins fan friends have done so that I can find 16 better things to do with my Sundays.[/quote]

Solid post overall, but don't let the Redskins rule your sanity. Don't let any team do that

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[quote=rbanerjee23;635730]Let's take a step back and realize that the saints won by 3 after two absurdly fluke plays and horrible officiating...Redskins were better and the saints know it[/quote]

Yes. If a loss can feel good, this is one of those losses.

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[quote=SmootSmack;635733]Well if we beat teams like the Lions, Chiefs, even Panthers these losses are easier to swallow [/quote]

True but as we know by now even games against lower tier teams like the aforementioned are no cakewalk. They didn't give any sign in any of those games that they were a competent football team capable of easily handling the bottom tier of the NFL. And there's no sign that that we will stop playing down to the level of our competition will change.


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Let's give some credit to Cerrato. He did after all bring us DT and FD, didn't he? And Sherman Lewis
[/quote]

You're absolutely right and I agree that Cerrato deserves credit for DT and FD, as well as Horton, possibly Rinehart, Orakpo, possibly Barnes, and other draft picks that might be key depth in the future. But I hate what I perceive to be Snyder and Cerrato's win now mentality. I'd be completely fine with both of them staying if it meant they abandoned the fill all holes with high priced free agents and build sparingly in the draft, and built a philosophy based on building long term through the draft and filling in select holes through free agency. Based on Cerrato's drafting record you would think they would be more than willing to get draft picks. But draft picks won't work out if you don't have a coach that can guide them.

As for Sherman Lewis, who's to say he's not a 1 year deal? Do you see the new coach keeping him around if his way of doing things doesn't mesh at all with Lewis? Lewis' hard work with the current roster might be all for naught once the offseason comes.

As for Laron Landry, what are we to do with him? He could be a valuable player but I feel like he's playing out of position at free safety. But if we move him back to strong safety what becomes of Doughty and Horton? Then that leaves a hole at free safety that needs to be filled as well. So that leaves us with 3 competent players at strong safety but nobody that could start at free safety. Do we get rid of one of them? All I know is that Landry at free safety is not the answer. The announcers even noticed that on his second touchdown coverage fail that he was playing with that strong safety mentality in coming up towards the box and then not getting back deep until it's too late.
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Solid post overall, but don't let the Redskins rule your sanity. Don't let any team do that[/quote]

During the week I'm fine ;). I'd actually feel a whole lot worse if I didn't have this forum to help me get these things off my chest. Nothing helps me quite like expressing the state of my mind on a forum with people that share the same common interest like me. It's only when I can't find the right avenue to express myself that I feel frustrated and helpless. Who said a forum can't do good things for someone?

I'm just questioning where this franchise is heading, and what the direction of the front office is. We had positives from these last 4 1/2 games but none of them appear to be long term, at least at the moment. I want to see a united front that has both short and long term goals that they are building towards, and right now it's clear this franchise is just trying to play out the rest of the season so we can start cleaning out and starting over in the offseason.

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I hate Laron Landry. Drew Brees just abused him today. He ate up those pump fakes like today was Thanksgiving.

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[quote=GTripp0012;635709]Poor Texans...+11 in pt. differential, and now at 5-7. Of course, with the Steelers loss, they aren't quite out of it (if the Jags lose 3 of 4).[/quote]

Lotta pain here in Houston. I go to a bar where there's lots of Texans fans--they've had some brutal loses since I've been down here (about 2 years). One good thing about Texans fans: they hate the cowboys.

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What I don't get is that on that punt that hit a Redskin and was recovered by a Saint....the Saint that recovered it had just come from OUT OF BOUNDS.

I thought it was a penalty to TOUCH THE BALL FIRST when you go out of bounds?

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[quote=NYCSkin;635719]I think I heard on the WTEM that Cerrato bitched at Zorn after the game...[/quote]

Cerrato yelled at Zorn last week. Don't know about this week

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[quote=SmootSmack;635484]I know, I know...everyone's life is over because the Redskins at 3-8 lost to the 11-0 Saints thanks to overpaid athletes and management that don't care about winning nearly as much about the Redskins as the fans do. Woe is all of us. Most Redskins fans predicted a devastating loss going into the game, and just as many were hoping for one a) because they wanted Gregg Williams to stick it to the Redskins and [B]b) every loss is a step closer to kicking Cerrato to the curb[/B].

Before we get to the smack down, let's look at some positives: We're only the second team this year to put 30 points up on the board against Genius Williams (so apologies to every Redskins fan out there that was rooting more so for Williams than the Skins today).[B] Devin Thomas had a beast of a game (indirect props to Cerrato for drafting him and Hixon for coaching him)[/B]. Davis has done a great job since Cooley went down being Campbell's go-to guy when he needs one. I'm really becoming a big Ganther fan. He's not a starter (meaning 25+ carries/game) but he knows what to do out there and he does it well.

And of course Jason Campbell had another very strong performance (except for that INT)

The Redskins have lost the last three game by seven points...combined. It doesn't get more frustrating than that.[B] But if there's a positive here it's that the last two games have been the best offensive performances we've had since probably last September. And we're doing it with guys like Thomas, Ganther, and Davis leading the way.[/B]..not Randle El, Portis, and Cooley.

Still, it's time to lay the smack down.

[B]Laron Landry[/B] For every spectacular play...he screws up on five basic plays. I'd rather he be consistently solid then occasionally awesome.

[B]The Officiating[/B] I'd rather they just be consistent

[B]Shaun Suisham[/B] Truthfully, even before the field goal (which I never imagined he'd miss) I was hoping the Redskins would be a little more aggressive in the red zone after the DT facemask. But still, even with the conservative playcalling and the high snap there's no excuse for yet another miss in the clutch like that for Suisham. I don't like kneejerk reactions but this is a recurring situation it seems with Suisham...is it time to cut him and just sign Rayner back for the remainder of the year.

It was a frustrating loss for sure, but most of never even gave them a chance to be in it long enough to even be a frustrating loss.[/quote]

#1- Yes I was torn as to which to root for, a win against a team 11-0 and against GW or a loss to help facilitate Cerrato's demise. The last two weeks scoring over 20 points does not help and todays 30 points especially.

#2- 3yrs with Gibbs 2yrs with Zorn, a total lack of developing any WR's, the mear fact that the only decent WR's we've had have been WR's brought in from other teams. Basically all you've done is make me wonder if someone else is not working with the WR's. It almost seems like they are making a concerted effort to coach Thomas, Kelly, and Davis finally cause the others are either hurt or you don't hear a lot from them from game to game. Oh, and I guess I can give Cerrato props for something, but I still hope his ass is gone at season's end.

#3- It's very exciting to see all the young talent coming to life, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Ganther, Barnes, Mitchell, Westbrook, etc, etc.


Amazing....everyone is quick to blast Suisham, the Refs, and Landry but for whatever reason simply over look Sellers and his fumble/no fumble, JC's interception, Moore's failure to simply sit on the ball, Zorn's piss poor goal line play calls and I'm sure there are more I'm forgetting. Lets not just blast Shazam. No he's not perfect but if your going to blast him for missing 1 FG out of the many he made today is sad. That's like calling for JC's head for the interception even though he's had a great game otherwise.

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Nice thread!

That said it's telling (perversely so) when a loss somehow becomes a boost to Cerrato's reputation. WTF! And please, please don't say things like that weird little toady should be credited w/ the Orakpo pickup. Vinny did everything he could to get the joke Sanchez, and then he tried to mortgage the future yet a 2nd time (allegedly) to trade up for Orakpo instead of focusing on an oline that most experts and fans knew was a house of cards. I mean it's just gotten to a point of craziness...it's like the craziness within the organization rubs off on us fans too.

...whoever came up w/ the idea of Hall at FS might be a genius. I hope Barnes, Tryon, Westbrook and maybe Los could hold down our DB corp so Hall gets a shot at center field.

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[quote=Bozzy;635785]What I don't get is that on that punt that hit a Redskin and was recovered by a Saint....the Saint that recovered it had just come from OUT OF BOUNDS.

I thought it was a penalty to TOUCH THE BALL FIRST when you go out of bounds?[/quote]

Good question. I guess they are saying because the Redskin touched the ball essentially he didn't touch the ball first. The question is did he establish him self as being back in bounds? He only came back in bounds about 2-3 yrds and was only there for a few seconds prior to jumping on the ball.

I understand the Ed Hochuli rule but I still say it should not have been a reviewable play since the Ref on the ground called it "Down by Contact." Secondly....why did it take forever for JC to get the ball off so it would not get reviewed? I kept yelling at the tv for them to hike the ball. If nothing else take the penalty for false start for not having all your men set and worse case scenario punt the ball deep.

People are saying that the Moore interception should have been reveresed and ruled incomplete pass because I guess they are saying Fox had a side view showing the ball hitting the turf prior to bouncing up into Moore's hands.

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[quote=SmootSmack;635793]Cerrato yelled at Zorn last week. Don't know about this week[/quote]

If I was Zorn I'd ask him why he's yelling at me? His boy Sherm is calling the shots.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;635808]If I was Zorn I'd ask him why he's yelling at me? His boy Sherm is calling the shots.[/quote]

Except during the 2 min. drill which is when Zorn actually gets to wake up and play a little.

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[quote=SBXVII;635812]Except during the 2 min. drill which is when Zorn actually gets to wake up and play a little.[/quote]

Which is what he allegedly was yelling at him about

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It's amazing how some people just can never give Cerrato and the front office credit for anything. Yeah so they tested the waters for Sanchez. So what? A lot of teams did. That's what front offices do. You explore all options. Yes we need to improve in certain areas (namely OL) but we do have several quality young players and the front office should get some credit for that.

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I'd give a mini smack down on some obnoxious bandwagon Saints fans at the game. I've never seen any group of fans with such crisp, bright brand new jerseys and hats that looked like they just came out of the box. I'd didn't see a single old-school jersey the entire day. Most were DC area people who would have been cheering for Skins last year...

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[quote=Bozzy;635785]What I don't get is that on that punt that hit a Redskin and was recovered by a Saint....the Saint that recovered it had just come from OUT OF BOUNDS.

I thought it was a penalty to TOUCH THE BALL FIRST when you go out of bounds?[/quote]

It hit Barnes, so he was the first to touch it. :(

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[quote=SmootSmack;635882]It's amazing how some people just can never give Cerrato and the front office credit for anything. Yeah so they tested the waters for Sanchez. So what? A lot of teams did. That's what front offices do. You explore all options. Yes we need to improve in certain areas (namely OL) but we do have several quality young players and the front office should get some credit for that.[/quote]

VC tried all he could to get Cutler. Allegedly, giving up several high draft picks, right?

VC tried all he could to get Sanchez, giving up multiple draft picks. He couldn't get him.

We were one of the finalists in getting each of the above two. If we would have gotten one of the them, it would have perhaps mortgaged our future even more. More of the same right?

I give VC credit for his record w/ the Skins while he's been here. It's not good. Sure, he gets some credit for some draft picks, but let's face it, Orakpo was a pretty clear pick and even though we've seen some good things the jury is still out of our 3 #2's from two years ago.

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[quote=bigmarley4;635892]I'd give a mini smack down on some obnoxious bandwagon Saints fans at the game. I've never seen any group of fans with such crisp, bright brand new jerseys and hats that looked like they just came out of the box. I'd didn't see a single old-school jersey the entire day. Most were DC area people who would have been cheering for Skins last year...[/quote]

My dad and younger brother were there and they said the same thing. SO annoying.

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Sorry if this has been mentioned, but did anyone watch Football Night In America last night. The question was posed to Tony Dungy and Rodney Harrison, What would you do with Suisham? Both said w/out hesitation, i'd have to cut him.

Dungy said he's cost us two games and he'd have to cut him before he cost him his job. I tend to agree. It's a harsh business, but two games in 3 weeks. It would send a message that we don't like losing. I don't trust Suisham w/ big kicks.

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[quote=redsk1;635904]VC tried all he could to get Cutler. Allegedly, giving up several high draft picks, right?

VC tried all he could to get Sanchez, giving up multiple draft picks. He couldn't get him.

We were one of the finalists in getting each of the above two. If we would have gotten one of the them, it would have perhaps mortgaged our future even more. More of the same right?

I give VC credit for his record w/ the Skins while he's been here. It's not good. Sure, he gets some credit for some draft picks, but let's face it, Orakpo was a pretty clear pick and even though we've seen some good things the jury is still out of our 3 #2's from two years ago.[/quote]

If Orakpo was such a clear pick why did other teams pass on him and why are a lot of people here saying we should have taken Oher instead?

People confuse the rumors about trading multiple picks to get Cutler or Sanchez (who I still think will be a very good QB, but that's neither here nor there) with the realities of testing the market for those guys. But that's fine, it is what it is. Cerrato has gotten to a point here (as has Snyder to a large extent) where any success that may lie ahead is deemed as in spite of him instead of in any way thanks to him. This is probably why he needs to go. Even it's for Shanahan (who is not a better solution as head coach/GM than VC-Zorn in my opinion). Just so the fans can believe there's a change being made. Regardless of whether the change is for the better.

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[quote=SmootSmack;635628]Not so much a smackdown but the timing of AH's injury at the end was awful because we had to use a timeout there and we stopped the clock when the Saints couldn't have[/quote]

What is the deal w/ this guy? He's ALWAYS getting hurt and he's ALWAYS loafing. For every play he makes he then takes 3 off.

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Funny most of you guys bitching about our loss also picked us to loose the game. So why bitch about something you said was going to happen.

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[quote=SmootSmack;635918]If Orakpo was such a clear pick why did other teams pass on him and why are a lot of people here saying we should have taken Oher instead?

People confuse the rumors about trading multiple picks to get Cutler or Sanchez (who I still think will be a very good QB, but that's neither here nor there) with the realities of testing the market for those guys. But that's fine, it is what it is. Cerrato has gotten to a point here (as has Snyder to a large extent) where any success that may lie ahead is deemed as in spite of him instead of in any way thanks to him. This is probably why he needs to go. Even it's for Shanahan (who is not a better solution as head coach/GM than VC-Zorn in my opinion). Just so the fans can believe there's a change being made. Regardless of whether the change is for the better.[/quote]


I think Cutler can be a great qb and Sanchez may too. I just think they were more than "testing the market" though. We almost had Cutler here in DC. It was that close.

VC has done more harm than good though and I can't see how that can be disputed. He's got a bad record, he's got a bad reputation around the league, and he's makes alot of bad decisions. I'm not saying we should just change just to make a change. We should change b/c we want more out of our GM.

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[quote=SmootSmack;635882]It's amazing how some people just can never give Cerrato and the front office credit for anything. Yeah so they tested the waters for Sanchez. So what? A lot of teams did. That's what front offices do. You explore all options. [B]Yes we need to improve in certain areas (namely OL)[/B] but we do have several quality young players and the front office should get some credit for that.[/quote]

This offense has been built from the outside in. The lack of foresight on the O-line is what I give VC credit for, that and hiring Jim Zorn. Actually, I blame him and DS for a lot. It's a little late to be giving credit to his draft picks when you're 3-9.

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[quote=SmootSmack;635882]It's amazing how some people just can never give Cerrato and the front office credit for anything. Yeah so they tested the waters for Sanchez. So what? A lot of teams did. That's what front offices do. You explore all options. Yes we need to improve in certain areas (namely OL) but we do have several quality young players and the front office should get some credit for that.[/quote]
Agreed but the draft definitely isn't the total picture. Though I'll say the past couple of years has looked better than the 8 before it.. and that's seemingly when Cerrato had the most control. Our young guys are starting to look pretty decent no doubt. Ignoring the line is still a huge issue though, both of them had been, be we've mostly got the D-Line thing figured out. Hopefully we don't wait too long on the LBs and secondary as these will need filling in the not so distant future.

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[quote=SmootSmack;635484]I know, I know...everyone's life is over because the Redskins at 3-8 lost to the 11-0 Saints thanks to overpaid athletes and management that don't care about winning nearly as much about the Redskins as the fans do. Woe is all of us. Most Redskins fans predicted a devastating loss going into the game, and just as many were hoping for one a) because they wanted Gregg Williams to stick it to the Redskins and b) every loss is a step closer to kicking Cerrato to the curb.

Before we get to the smack down, let's look at some positives: We're only the second team this year to put 30 points up on the board against Genius Williams (so apologies to every Redskins fan out there that was rooting more so for Williams than the Skins today). Devin Thomas had a beast of a game (indirect props to Cerrato for drafting him and Hixon for coaching him). Davis has done a great job since Cooley went down being Campbell's go-to guy when he needs one. I'm really becoming a big Ganther fan. He's not a starter (meaning 25+ carries/game) but he knows what to do out there and he does it well.

And of course Jason Campbell had another very strong performance (except for that INT)

The Redskins have lost the last three game by seven points...combined. It doesn't get more frustrating than that. But if there's a positive here it's that the last two games have been the best offensive performances we've had since probably last September. And we're doing it with guys like Thomas, Ganther, and Davis leading the way...not Randle El, Portis, and Cooley.

Still, it's time to lay the smack down.

[B]Laron Landry[/B] [B]For every spectacular play...he screws up on five basic plays. I'd rather he be consistently solid then occasionally awesome[/B].

[B]The Officiating[/B] I'd rather they just be consistent

[B]Shaun Suisham[/B] Truthfully, even before the field goal (which I never imagined he'd miss) I was hoping the Redskins would be a little more aggressive in the red zone after the DT facemask. But still, even with the conservative playcalling and the high snap there's no excuse for yet another miss in the clutch like that for Suisham. I don't like kneejerk reactions but this is a recurring situation it seems with Suisham...is it time to cut him and just sign Rayner back for the remainder of the year.

It was a frustrating loss for sure, but most of never even gave them a chance to be in it long enough to even be a frustrating loss.[/quote]

Landry simply needs to be sat down. The coaches need to put their foot down on this guy. Let him play teams for a while. He's not mature, he undisciplined, he can't tackle and he acts like a freakin 13 year old.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;635484]I know, I know...everyone's life is over because the Redskins at 3-8 lost to the 11-0 Saints thanks to overpaid athletes and management that don't care about winning nearly as much about the Redskins as the fans do. Woe is all of us. Most Redskins fans predicted a devastating loss going into the game, and just as many were hoping for one a) because they wanted Gregg Williams to stick it to the Redskins and b) every loss is a step closer to kicking Cerrato to the curb.

Before we get to the smack down, let's look at some positives: We're only the second team this year to put 30 points up on the board against Genius Williams (so apologies to every Redskins fan out there that was rooting more so for Williams than the Skins today). Devin Thomas had a beast of a game (indirect props to Cerrato for drafting him and Hixon for coaching him). Davis has done a great job since Cooley went down being Campbell's go-to guy when he needs one. I'm really becoming a big Ganther fan. He's not a starter (meaning 25+ carries/game) but he knows what to do out there and he does it well.

And of course Jason Campbell had another very strong performance (except for that INT)

The Redskins have lost the last three game by seven points...combined. It doesn't get more frustrating than that. But if there's a positive here it's that the last two games have been the best offensive performances we've had since probably last September. And we're doing it with guys like Thomas, Ganther, and Davis leading the way...not Randle El, Portis, and Cooley.

Still, it's time to lay the smack down.

[B]Laron Landry[/B] For every spectacular play...he screws up on five basic plays. I'd rather he be consistently solid then occasionally awesome.

[B]The Officiating[/B] I'd rather they just be consistent

[B]Shaun Suisham[/B] Truthfully, even before the field goal (which I never imagined he'd miss) I was hoping the Redskins would be a little more aggressive in the red zone after the DT facemask. But still, even with the conservative playcalling and the high snap there's no excuse for yet another miss in the clutch like that for Suisham. I don't like kneejerk reactions but this is a recurring situation it seems with Suisham...is it time to cut him and just sign Rayner back for the remainder of the year.

[B]It was a frustrating loss for sure, but most of never even gave them a chance to be in it long enough to even be a frustrating loss[/B].[/quote]


I did, damn it.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints)
 

I want to lay some smack on the football itself. What was up with that punt hitting Barnes? I mean of all the shit luck! :doh:

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;635964]I want to lay some smack on the football itself. What was up with that punt hitting Barnes? I mean of all the shit luck! :doh:[/quote]

Or the ball going right into the hands of Meacham after he stripped Moore. In the other 99.9% of the time, that ball falls to the ground.

Speaking of fumbles, Florio makes a good argument about the fumble situations and the officials calling down by contact. I also think that calling a timeout during OT in that situation is pretty much a challenge. Oh well.

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Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints)
 

It's just funny how the ball always seems to take a good bounce for the other team on a fumble, or it rolls out of bounds.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints)
 

[quote=Mattyk72;635976]It's just funny how the ball always seems to take a good bounce for the other team on a fumble, or it rolls out of bounds.[/quote]

I feel the same way. It was almost magic how the ball floated in the air for Meacham (on the INT-fumble).

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints)
 

^^^ yeah the point florio is making has always struck almost everyone as odd. we benefited from this "keep playing after the whistle" rule a few times this year, got brunt by it yesterday.

it just makes no sense to have this rule in which players are supposed to ignore the whistle. so many times a season we see this potential fumble whistled down by contact, 23 players are standing around looking confused and 1 player picks the ball up and runs it all the way to the endzone with no one chasing him.

why have such an important play like a turnover be determined after a whistle blows a play dead? if im a coach, i would tell my players to disregard every whistle when it comes to down by contact plays when it comes to any loose ball that slips out.

take the ARE catch where he was tackled hard, ball came loose then ARE was lying on the ground in pain. the play was close so why couldnt a D player come flying in and blast ARE while hes on the ground and recover the ball? the ref whistled the ball dead and was pointing that ARE was down by contact, but arent players supposed to ignore this whistle? i mean, the ball came loose very quickly?

this rule makes no sense in how rules are defined. this is really a rule against the rules.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints)
 

[quote=Ruhskins;635967]Or the ball going right into the hands of Meacham after he stripped Moore. In the other 99.9% of the time, that ball falls to the ground.

Speaking of fumbles, Florio makes a good argument about the fumble situations and the officials calling down by contact. I also think that calling a timeout during OT in that situation is pretty much a challenge. Oh well.

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It was. In OT, coaches do not have challenge flags, and Payton said on the Opening Drive (Sirius radio) this morning that he called the challenge to give the officials time to review the play and see if it was a fumble. AND he got the timeout back when it was ruled a fumble (which surprised him, although it isn't really consequential). But he said he called the timeout knowing that in OT if the officials have a close call to make and time, they will generally review the play.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Saints)
 

The Saints did have 3 defensive backs out for the game but yes DT had an awesome performance. You could see his confidence building every play he made. I'm very excited for his future here.