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[quote=Trample the Elderly;637217]I'd honestly rather have Rock than Portis. Rock has more heart and less wear and tear. Gerhart would be the change of pace guy we've been looking for. I'd be cool with Ganther. It'd be nice to have a situational backs instead of an all purpose back.[/quote]

100% agreed.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;637217]I'd honestly rather have Rock than Portis. Rock has more heart and less wear and tear. Gerhart would be the change of pace guy we've been looking for. I'd be cool with Ganther. It'd be nice to have a situational backs instead of an all purpose back.[/quote]

You realize getting Gerhart would mean we're probably ignoring the line AGAIN?

We need to use the #1 on the OL.

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I agree with Buster here. Everybody is chomping at the bit to get a new back, which we desperatley need, but we need to fix our line too.

Use picks on linemen, and then if we can get a good back, do it.

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How do people here define "change of pace back"

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Keeping Rock is a nice idea however it's not the thought of the owner or management however IMO. If Rock wasn't so good on special teams, he would have been gone.The fact that Devin has done so well on kick off return, I don't see Rock being here next year. No matter how hard he tries and the effort he puts in he can't carry the offense on his back if needed. He is just not that caliber of back.

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Brian Westbrook is back at practice today even though he has had 2 concussions in a span of 3 weeks. If you think Portis being put on IR was purely due to a concussion, I have a bridge I can sell you.

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[quote=Buster;637222]You realize getting [B]Gerhart[/B] would mean we're probably ignoring the line AGAIN?

We need to use the #1 on the OL.[/quote]

His name was thrown out there. You'll have no arguement from me about a LT for the # 1 this year, just like last year, and the year before that, and . . .

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[quote=SmootSmack;637224]How do people here define "change of pace back"[/quote]

Small little runners VS Big ole runners. Speed & Ellusiveness VS Raw Power.

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[quote=jsarno;637243]Brian Westbrook is back at practice today even though he has had 2 concussions in a span of 3 weeks. If you think Portis being put on IR was purely due to a concussion, I have a bridge I can sell you.[/quote]

So I guess you're saying there's no way Portis simply had a worse concussion than Westbrook? The records of both teams at this point is also a factor. At 3-9 there's no point in trying to get CP back on the field.

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Heck Trent Green missed most of the entire 2006 season with a severe concussion. He came back that season, but his game was off.

The very next year, Green suffered another concussion that was much less serious...but decided to retire anyway, because the risk was too great.

Portis may have to face the same decision...

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[quote=Mattyk72;637257]So I guess you're saying there's no way Portis simply had a worse concussion than Westbrook?[/quote]

I am definitely saying that especially considering Westbrooks hits were harder and twice as many. Of course the brain is a fickle thing, and you never know how it will respond, but you really have to ask yourself who has ever missed 8 games with a concussion. It just doesn't happen. There is clearly more to this than either side (Portis or the Skins) are letting on.

[quote]The records of both teams at this point is also a factor. At 3-9 there's no point in trying to get CP back on the field.[/quote]

Of course, that was part of my point. There is no point in him playing...what would he be playing for?

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Concussions are still a mystery even to doctors. I think you're really reaching here jsarno. Did you see the hit that CP took?

What's your conspiracy theory exactly?

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I dont buy into the conspiracy theory, but in reality, there really could be more to the story.

Portis has been cleared by the team doctor, but per NFL rules he has to be cleared by an outside source not associated with the team. The U of Pittsburgh wouldn't give him that clearance, and by all accounts told him things were worse than his original tests showed....

Portis has to now think about his life and future in general. His agent said all the right things. Of course he isn't going to come out and say "oh he might be retiring, i dunno it looks pretty bad". He gave the standard PR line that Clinton will be back next year.

This is an issue that will be addressed in the offseason. There is no reason to make a big deal of it now. If Portis is forced to retire, he will do it in the off-season...not during the season....

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[quote=Mattyk72;637289]Concussions are still a mystery even to doctors. I think you're really reaching here jsarno. Did you see the hit that CP took?

What's your conspiracy theory exactly?[/quote]

Well, that is certainly possible. Like I said, some day Portis will come out and say what really happened.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;637295]I dont buy into the conspiracy theory, but in reality, there really could be more to the story.

Portis has been cleared by the team doctor, but per NFL rules he has to be cleared by an outside source not associated with the team. The U of Pittsburgh wouldn't give him that clearance, and by all accounts told him things were worse than his original tests showed....

Portis has to now think about his life and future in general. His agent said all the right things. Of course he isn't going to come out and say "oh he might be retiring, i dunno it looks pretty bad". He gave the standard PR line that Clinton will be back next year.

This is an issue that will be addressed in the offseason. There is no reason to make a big deal of it now. If Portis is forced to retire, he will do it in the off-season...not during the season....[/quote]

That's pretty much what the story is, I'm just wondering what more could there be??

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[quote=jsarno;637299]Well, that is certainly possible. Like I said, some day Portis will come out and say what really happened.[/quote]

Like what? I'm just curious what your theory is.

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[quote=Mattyk72;637315]Like what? I'm just curious what your theory is.[/quote]

I'll give you a theory.

Clinton Portis and Dan Snyder are actually running an illegal prostitution ring. Now the Florida branch was starting to show a dip in profits so Dan has to send his Main Pimp for the Southeastern portion of the country (Portis) had to go and get the people in line and oversee operation there. So, he has Clinton Portis fake a concussion and was originally scheduled to come back. However, things were going on so well in Florida that Snyder has considered breaking the No Pimpin in Atlanta Treaty of 2006 and keeping Portis, his top guy down there ro get things rolling. Around this time is when Clinton was originally supposed to make his return but Snyder has a sit down with some of his connects in Pittsburgh to give Portis a less than satisfactory report. Coincidently, there has been a 16% rise in ATM Withdrawls in the Cobb County area. One would have to assume that this is the key.

Next year Portis will be back playing for the Skins becuase by that time sources say that Snyders Snatches should be running smoothly with hopes of moving into Texas. Watch out for Brian Orakpo having a contract dispute or a mini-camp boycott. It's all there man, all you have to do is search for the answers.

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[quote=SmootSmack;637224]How do people here define "change of pace back"[/quote]

marion barber is your pounder and tashard choice and felix jones are you speedsters

thats how i look at it

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;637356]I'll give you a theory.

Clinton Portis and Dan Snyder are actually running an illegal prostitution ring. Now the Florida branch was starting to show a dip in profits so Dan has to send his Main Pimp for the Southeastern portion of the country (Portis) had to go and get the people in line and oversee operation there. So, he has Clinton Portis fake a concussion and was originally scheduled to come back. However, things were going on so well in Florida that Snyder has considered breaking the No Pimpin in Atlanta Treaty of 2006 and keeping Portis, his top guy down there ro get things rolling. Around this time is when Clinton was originally supposed to make his return but Snyder has a sit down with some of his connects in Pittsburgh to give Portis a less than satisfactory report. Coincidently, there has been a 16% rise in ATM Withdrawls in the Cobb County area. One would have to assume that this is the key.

Next year Portis will be back playing for the Skins becuase by that time sources say that Snyders Snatches should be running smoothly with hopes of moving into Texas. Watch out for Brian Orakpo having a contract dispute or a mini-camp boycott. It's all there man, all you have to do is search for the answers.[/quote]

definitly whats going on:silly:

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[quote=mlmdub130;637383]marion barber is your pounder and tashard choice and felix jones are you speedsters

thats how i look at it[/quote]

I remember way back when Earnest Byner was our workhorse and then Riggs would come in for the 1-yard TD run. But I never really thought of Riggs as a change of pace back.

On the other hand, Joe Washington's 10 or so carries with a few catches thrown in...I saw him as a change of pace to Riggo's 30+ carries.

I guess what I'm getting at is I don't really see Gerhart as a change of pace back.

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[quote=SmootSmack;637388]I remember way back when Earnest Byner was our workhorse and then Riggs would come in for the 1-yard TD run. But I never really thought of Riggs as a change of pace back.

On the other hand, Joe Washington's 10 or so carries with a few catches thrown in...I saw him as a change of pace to Riggo's 30+ carries.

[B]I guess what I'm getting at is I don't really see Gerhart as a change of pace back[/B].[/quote]

oh hell no[B][B][/B][/B], i missed that post, he is the opposite of a change of pace back imo, if we want a change of pace back we should grab noel divine in the 5th, tiny little dude and quick as hell takes him one cut and he's gone for 75 yards

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[quote=SmootSmack;637388]I remember way back when Earnest Byner was our workhorse and then Riggs would come in for the 1-yard TD run. But I never really thought of Riggs as a change of pace back.

On the other hand, Joe Washington's 10 or so carries with a few catches thrown in...I saw him as a change of pace to Riggo's 30+ carries.

I guess what I'm getting at is I don't really see Gerhart as a change of pace back.[/quote]

Joe Washington is a great example Smoot. I like Gerhart alot but he's only a change of pace back if Alridge (or someone like him) is the starter. It usually goes the other way around.

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whoops

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Clinton Prtis Really let me down in fantasy. Tried Ladell Betts. Now its Ganther.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;637356]I'll give you a theory.

Clinton Portis and Dan Snyder are actually running an illegal prostitution ring. Now the Florida branch was starting to show a dip in profits so Dan has to send his Main Pimp for the Southeastern portion of the country (Portis) had to go and get the people in line and oversee operation there. So, he has Clinton Portis fake a concussion and was originally scheduled to come back. However, things were going on so well in Florida that Snyder has considered breaking the No Pimpin in Atlanta Treaty of 2006 and keeping Portis, his top guy down there ro get things rolling. Around this time is when Clinton was originally supposed to make his return but Snyder has a sit down with some of his connects in Pittsburgh to give Portis a less than satisfactory report. Coincidently, there has been a 16% rise in ATM Withdrawls in the Cobb County area. One would have to assume that this is the key.

Next year Portis will be back playing for the Skins becuase by that time sources say that Snyders Snatches should be running smoothly with hopes of moving into Texas. Watch out for Brian Orakpo having a contract dispute or a mini-camp boycott. It's all there man, all you have to do is search for the answers.[/quote]

LOL well at least you could offer [I]something[/I] up.

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Snyders Snatches?
I thought you were referring to some of DS's ill advised personel moves?

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So how does everyone feel about addressing the RB situation if Portis is done (injury or cut do to salary) in Washington for next year? Id like to see that second round pick used on a RB (with the first used on a lineman) if there are any there worthy of a pick. I seriously worry about Betts too being ready for next season with that injury, sounded pretty severe. Yes Ganther has shown something, but is he a starter in this league, is that name "big" enough for Snyder? Is Rock done? I think Rock is a great 3rd running back, but thats about as high Id have him on the depth chart. Any free agents? Id wouldnt mind Sproles splitting time back there with Betts...but at what cost? I mos def dont want to see a Portis-size contract for any free agent out there...any opinions???

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I think it would be wise to take a RB somewhere in the draft. A rotation of Ganther/Rock/Betts might be ok for the short run, but we need some fresh legs in here.

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I agree. Portis has played his best football here, and he stands to gain nothing in the future but risking his long-term health.

He was on his last legs in 2008 and this year should prove to everybody what it looks like when a runningback's wheels literally fall off.

We need a new, young RB.

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4th or 5th round grab noel divine, he is basically steve slayton just a little bit smaller.

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[quote=Mattyk72;637967]I think it would be wise to take a RB somewhere in the draft. A rotation of Ganther/Rock/Betts might be ok for the short run, but we need some fresh legs in here.[/quote]

Absolutely. Lots of strong running back candidates-Spiller, Best, Dwyer, Gerhart, Dixon-just to name a few.

But there could also be some interesting FA options-Sproles, LenDale White, Norwood, Mike Bell

Personally, I think Spiller is really tempting but he's a top 20 pick and I'd rather look for someone in the 3rd or 4th round

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[quote=SmootSmack;637982]Absolutely. Lots of strong running back candidates-Spiller, Best, Dwyer, Gerhart, Dixon-just to name a few.

But there could also be some interesting FA options-Sproles, LenDale White, Norwood, Mike Bell

Personally, I think Spiller is really tempting but he's a top 20 pick and I'd rather look for someone in the 3rd or 4th round[/quote]

I love Spiller, he can do it all & seems a solid guy. I would love it if we got him, but the smarter move would be a LT if one's available & we have a top 10-15 pick.

Norwood is a burner, I'm surprised he doesn't get the ball more in atl. I thought sproles re-signed last year? did he just play w/franchise tag?

Lendale White is not dependable IMO.

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[quote=jsarno;636953]I just seriously doubt he's that injured. I've seen MASSIVE hits far worse than his and those players come back within 1-2 weeks. I am not sure about this, but someone missing what 8 or 9 weeks of the season due to a concussion has got to be extremely rare. He's on IR because he's been ineffective and we have far better options to run the ball. Since Portis has been out we have had a spark on offense. I like Portis, but we all pointed out that he seemed to have "lost a step"...he has a lot of miles on those legs, maybe it's time to part ways...especially with what we are paying him.[/quote]

Is Westbrook milking it too? [url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/12/11/eagles-will-hold-out-westbrook-vs-giants/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Eagles will hold out Westbrook vs. Giants «[/url]

How about Lewis and Pool? [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4706297]Cleveland Browns' Jamal Lewis out with head injury; Brodney Pool's season in jeopardy - ESPN[/url]

It's really brave to flex your keyboard muscles about someone else's brain injury.

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[quote=freddyg12;637989]I love Spiller, he can do it all & seems a solid guy. I would love it if we got him, but the smarter move would be a LT if one's available & we have a top 10-15 pick.

Norwood is a burner, I'm surprised he doesn't get the ball more in atl. I thought sproles re-signed last year? did he just play w/franchise tag?

Lendale White is not dependable IMO.[/quote]

Norwood is FRAGILE as they come.. He's constantly dinged up. I'd be fine with a RBBC next season with a banger like White and a speed guy to complement him. Ganther should be at least part of the camp mix.

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[quote=Paintrain;638135]Is Westbrook milking it too? [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/12/11/eagles-will-hold-out-westbrook-vs-giants/"]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Eagles will hold out Westbrook vs. Giants «[/URL]

How about Lewis and Pool? [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4706297"]Cleveland Browns' Jamal Lewis out with head injury; Brodney Pool's season in jeopardy - ESPN[/URL]

It's really brave to flex your keyboard muscles about someone else's brain injury.[/quote]

You calling out Dr. Jsarno?

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[quote=Mattyk72;638138]You calling out Dr. Jsarno?[/quote]

Eh, bored on a Friday afternoon, nothing better to do than to challenge a message board certified M.D.

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[quote=mlmdub130;637976]4th or 5th round grab noel divine, he is basically steve slayton just a little bit smaller.[/quote]

If he's really available then, I'd love the pick IF we've addressed the line in previous rounds.

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[quote=Buster;638174]If he's really available then, I'd love the pick IF we've addressed the line in previous rounds.[/quote]

he's projected as a mid 4th, if we don't get oline before the fourth, i may kill some one, and their first name may or may not be vinny

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[quote=mlmdub130;638188]he's projected as a mid 4th, if we don't get oline before the fourth, i may kill some one, and their first name may or may not be vinny[/quote]

If you need any help, I'm pretty sure BHA has a gun.