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[quote=SmootSmack;639953]I think Campbell's agent and the Redskins are secretly working on a long term deal. I think we're going to name someone General Manager this off-season and we won't be looking far to get him. I think the Redskins have Levi Jones penciled in as the starting LT for opening day 2010. I think Samuels, Betts, Randle El, Daniels, Randy Thomas, and Rock Cartwright are all gone. I think CJ Spiller will be our first pick. I think I'd rather they wait until the 2nd round and take Best or Dwyer. I think we don't take a OL before the 3rd round and we take 2 in the draft. I think I'm getting tired and need to stop rambling.
I think I need to stop reading Peter King's 10 Things I Think I Think[/quote]

So who do you think will be the coach then? Promoting a GM from within would seem to eliminate all the big name coach options.

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[quote=SmootSmack;639953]I think Campbell's agent and the Redskins are secretly working on a long term deal. [/quote]

I don't see why this would be a secret. Besides, the skins would be pretty foolish to extend Campbell until we hire a new head coach... unless you beleive they already have a secret deal in place with his replacement... which I find doubtful since Shanahan (the only guy I can imagine Snyder agreeing to a private deal with), not only, by all reports, prefers Dallas, but would be a moron to agree to terms with Snyder before testing the market.

[quote=SmootSmack;639953]I think we're going to name someone General Manager this off-season and we won't be looking far to get him.[/quote]

By not looking far, I can only assume you mean "promoting" Cerrato. The only other in-house guy we that i can even envision being a possibility is Morocco Brown. he doesn't have nearly enough experience, does he?

[quote=SmootSmack;639953]I think the Redskins have Levi Jones penciled in as the starting LT for opening day 2010. I think Samuels, Betts, Randle El, Daniels, Randy Thomas, and Rock Cartwright are all gone. [/quote] Agree on all these points.

[quote=SmootSmack;639953]I think CJ Spiller will be our first pick. I think I'd rather they wait until the 2nd round and take Best or Dwyer. I think we don't take a OL before the 3rd round and we take 2 in the draft. [/quote] Please no.

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I can't tell you..honestly though I have no idea. I don't even know who will be our General Manager. All I know are rumors. And rumors are like quarterbacks, when you have two you have none. Or something like that. Most of all this is really just things that I think. If I hear things that are truly legitimate enough to share, I will as always.

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you really have to look at the alternative, if Campbell doesn't return. as far as im concerned, the names that have been mentioned aren't a better alternative

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;640201]I don't see why this would be a secret. Besides, the skins would be pretty foolish to extend Campbell until we hire a new head coach... unless you beleive they already have a secret deal in place with his replacement... which I find doubtful since Shanahan (the only guy I can imagine Snyder agreeing to a private deal with), not only, by all reports, prefers Dallas, but would be a moron to agree to terms with Snyder before testing the market.[/quote]

Fair points

[quote]By not looking far, I can only assume you mean "promoting" Cerrato. The only other in-house guy we that i can even envision being a possibility is Morocco Brown. he doesn't have nearly enough experience, does he?[/quote]

Don't assume. Not looking far doesn't necessarily mean in-house...although in this case it reportedly does

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I am afraid of the in house GM candidate. Not that I think we don't have qualified people. I just don't think anyone we would promote would have the full authority to do the job their way without interference.

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[quote=SmootSmack;640209]Fair points



Don't assume. Not looking far doesn't necessarily mean in-house...although in this case it reportedly does[/quote] So is it Brown then? And if so, would Cerrato be gone or remain in another role?

If the later, its truly a great idea then! Instead of Snyder hiring a "real" GM to appease the fans, he just adds another layer into the equation.

Snyder the Owner
Cerrato the Team President
Brown the General Manager

Snyder can pull Cerratos strings and Cerrato will, in turn, pull Moroccos! Brilliant! Deviously brilliant!

We will just have to come up with another term since Snyderatto would no longer suffice. Let me be first to coin the term "SNYDCERACCO."

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Inside or outside would it really matter? Let's face it Snyder is going to have his say no matter who is here.

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[quote=irish;640121]Thats what I said, when the pressure was on late in the game vs NO he found a way to not get it done.

Oak played/won those games with Gradkowski. When JaMarcus Russell came in vs the Skins the game was essentailly over. Everybody watching that game knew Oak wasnt a threat to do anything on O with JR at QB.[/quote]

So to be clear the first 58 minutes of the game were 'garbage time' vs. an undefeated team but when the pressure was on, after he'd already led the team to 30 points, THAT is what counts.

So in the Oakland game when the Redskins had a 17-10 lead at halftime, all of which Gradkowski played, that didn't count either but when Russell came in, THAT is what counts.

I see. Here I was thinking the whole 60 minutes of every game counted. What the hell have I been watching the past 34 years?!?

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[quote=celts32;640224]I am afraid of the in house GM candidate. Not that I think we don't have qualified people. I just don't think anyone we would promote would have the full authority to do the job their way without interference.[/quote]

Too bad Marty can't come back as a formidable GM, that's a guaranteed way of getting rid of Vinny.

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Jason needs to return. I'll admit I was personally skeptic of him being our QB earlier but he has shown so much grit and leadership the past month I would think it be awful to not bring him back. What other alternative is there??

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[quote=Mattyk72;640229]Inside or outside would it really matter? Let's face it Snyder is going to have his say no matter who is here.[/quote]

Unless he hires a General Manager (or Head Coach / General Manager) who will let Snyder have his say.... and then do whatever the he (the GM) wants to do, anyways. Snyder did this when he hired marty. He didn't like the arrangement so he fired him after only a year. However, a decade of mediocrity may make him realize that he needs to hire another marty-esque guy to run things.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;640228]So is it Brown then? And if so, would Cerrato be gone or remain in another role?

If the later, its truly a great idea then! Instead of Snyder hiring a "real" GM to appease the fans, he just adds another layer into the equation.

Snyder the Owner
Cerrato the Team President
Brown the General Manager

Snyder can pull Cerratos strings and Cerrato will, in turn, pull Moroccos! Brilliant! Deviously brilliant!

We will just have to come up with another term since Snyderatto would no longer suffice. Let me be first to coin the term "SNYDCERACCO."[/quote]

LOL. SNYDERCERACCO. That would take too long to type. Anyhow, there are other people in that front office.

As for my long-running guess of Billick, obviously this has nothing to do with that. Billick is truly a 100% guess of mine based on nothing but gut feeling. The thoughts in this thread are not 100% based on gut feeling

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Here is a pretty rare thought, keep Zorn, offer campbell the 1 yr tender and build on something. Two first round picks should be offensive lineman. This team is playing really well the last 5 weeks and it would suck to blow it all up and start over AGAIN!

I think Lewis is making a difference, but also i think these young guys are starting to learn how to play. Thomas, Davis have stepped up by being on the field to learn. They have the weapons on offense to be really good. I would rather give Zorn and these guys another year to build on the improved play than to start over again next year.

If Dallas keeps losing and dont make the playoffs or get beat in 1st round then Shanahan will be there next year. Dallas is his first choice from what I hear on TV. I am not a fan of Shanahan because he will want to be the coach and GM, then we will be stuck with the same crap we have now. Coaches can NOT be successful doing both jobs. Holmgren had it taken away from him when Seattle struggled for the two years he was doing it, and Denver went back to so so football when shanahan was doing it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;640229]Inside or outside would it really matter? Let's face it Snyder is going to have his say no matter who is here.[/quote]

The only way Snyder wouldn't get a say is if he promises the world to someone like Bill Polian. It would take tens of millions to get him, and someone of his stature might agree to come here but only if he makes certain that Snyder stays the hell out of it.

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I gotta say I think Jason should come back. We got to take care of our O Line, Jason shows when he has time he can do good things. I guess I am not patient enough to go through yet another year of "rebuilding".

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I don't think Snyder having a say is necessarily a problem but there needs to be a GM in place who Snyder respects and can make Snyder feel involved while at the same time doing it his way.

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[quote=celts32;640363][B][U]I don't think Snyder having a say is necessarily a problem[/U][/B] but there needs to be a GM in place who Snyder respects and can make Snyder feel involved while at the same time doing it his way.[/quote]

i completely disagree he knows dick about football and should have no involvement what so ever, that is way to important to leave to him he needs to sign the checks and that is all, after he has been around the block, like 20 or so years and has some experince then he can have some input, but for now back the f away from team jackass!!!

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Bringing JC back makes sense only if Snyder, Toady or whoever will be in charge carries over the same style Zorn/Lewis/Smith offense...or whatever lol. If we're going to blow things up again (like we did two years ago but Snyder wouldn't call it that) we might as well find a new QB to fit the new coach and system.

But more importantly I'm looking for what Snyder does w/ the FO. The notion that we'll have a smarter, more professional approach to personnel w/ Toady anywhere in the organization borders on insanity. Toady is there for one reason: to be a front man for Snyder's meddling. Snyder wants a new QB...Toady goes looking at Cutler and Sanchez. It's pretty straightforward. Snyder could also bring in a different Toady; however new Toady will be easily recognized. A guy w/ questionable football knowledge and little reputation around the league. This means Snyder still wants to meddle, but wants a new Toady for a pal...one that can articulate sentences such that people don't laugh. The only move that would be "good news" for the future of the franchise is a quality, established football man for a GM who is the clear decision-maker...the rest of it is just rubbish.

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[quote=skinsfan69;639605]I really don't think Shanahan is going to come here and work for Snyder. Especially when he worked for one of the most hands off owners in the NFL. He's not stupid and he doesn't need the money. So what offensive coach with HC experience is going to take this job? Snyder might not have any choice but to keep Zorn.[/quote]

Totally agree....what we SHOULD do (and we are missing out as i type) is bring back JC, keep Zorn and......hire Mike Holmgren as the GM!!!!! Since he ran the WC offense and knows Zorn very well...it would make a perfect match while keeping JC in the same system. Holmgren would be able to tell if Zorn is better or Sherm Lewis at calling plays (so you solve that issue). But.......we are sitting on our hands and the Browns are making moves....I really believe this would work....thoughts???

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[quote=Texanskin;640429]Totally agree....what we SHOULD do (and we are missing out as i type) is bring back JC, keep Zorn and......hire Mike Holmgren as the GM!!!!! Since he ran the WC offense and knows Zorn very well...it would make a perfect match while keeping JC in the same system. Holmgren would be able to tell if Zorn is better or Sherm Lewis at calling plays (so you solve that issue). But.......we are sitting on our hands and the Browns are making moves....I really believe this would work....thoughts???[/quote]

I wouldn't have a problem with that at all, but I just can't see Snyder doing it.

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[B]ZORN has got to go.[/B] He is pointing to JC being benched in the KC game as the turning point. He is trying to spin opinions [B]HIS WAY[/B]. The turnaround came the second half of the ATL game. He is way off and trying to be a politician. No Zorn, your plan did not work. Sherm Lewis's plan worked. Benching JC caused him to lose his play calling ability.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;640438][B]ZORN has got to go.[/B] He is pointing to JC being benched in the KC game as the turning point. He is trying to spin opinions [B]HIS WAY[/B]. The turnaround came the second half of the ATL game. He is way off and trying to be a politician. No Zorn, your plan did not work. Sherm Lewis's plan worked. Benching JC caused him to lose his play calling ability.[/quote]

I am quickly coming to this decision myself. Not just because of that, but because of his defense of playing ARE, his comments on Davis - to the effect that it was Davis' fault for his lack of production because until Cooley went down the coaches couldn't get Davis going. Everything Zorn defends comes from the over cautious approach of leaving the veterans in to the DETRIMENT of the rookies/2nd year class' progress. I gave a lot of credit to SLewis(still do) but I wonder if Zorn would have been an obstacle if the season ending injuries hadn't taken place. In Zorn's statement on ARE, he took responsibility, and said that it was because he is confident in ARE, but why??? because no one else had given him that confidence, but if ARE is not executing after several games, you pull him, it shouldn't take a season meltdown for a younger player to get a chance, even if he is going to make some mistakes, he might learn from them, as opposed to ARE who is not learning anything new, just making the same mistakes over and over. (sorry for the run on sentence!) Zorn made basically the same justification for not getting FD involved, but now we see that may have been a big mistake. Same with DT, get him involved and use him even if he's not 100% pro bowl yet.

All our griping about the slow development period seems to fall onto Zorn's shoulders once you listen to his defense/explanations about why FD and ARE are doing what they are doing.

And that is the HC responsibility above and beyond playcalling, and because of his defense of the indefensible I would say Zorn needs to go.

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When the Browns talk to Holmgren it's "The Browns are taking decisive action now to make fundamental changes to the organization" When the Redskins talk to Shanahan it's "Dan Snyder has no patience, he's always meddling"

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[quote=celts32;640363]I don't think Snyder having a say is necessarily a problem but there needs to be a GM in place who Snyder respects and can make Snyder feel involved while at the same time doing it his way.[/quote]

Like Bruce Allen

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;640439]I am quickly coming to this decision myself. Not just because of that, but because of his defense of playing ARE, his comments on Davis - to the effect that it was Davis' fault for his lack of production because until Cooley went down the coaches couldn't get Davis going. Everything Zorn defends comes from the over cautious approach of leaving the veterans in to the DETRIMENT of the rookies/2nd year class' progress. I gave a lot of credit to SLewis(still do) but I wonder if Zorn would have been an obstacle if the season ending injuries hadn't taken place. In Zorn's statement on ARE, he took responsibility, and said that it was because he is confident in ARE, but why??? because no one else had given him that confidence, but if ARE is not executing after several games, you pull him, it shouldn't take a season meltdown for a younger player to get a chance, even if he is going to make some mistakes, he might learn from them, as opposed to ARE who is not learning anything new, just making the same mistakes over and over. (sorry for the run on sentence!) Zorn made basically the same justification for not getting FD involved, but now we see that may have been a big mistake. Same with DT, get him involved and use him even if he's not 100% pro bowl yet.

[B]All our griping about the slow development period seems to fall onto Zorn's shoulders once you listen to his defense/explanations about why FD and ARE are doing what they are doing.[/B]

And that is the HC responsibility above and beyond playcalling, and because of his defense of the indefensible I would say Zorn needs to go.[/quote]

There is no defense for having ARE return punts. He also returned them for Cowher and Joe Gibbs. He did alright for Cowher, but not for Gibbs, and he never stopped it even though we wondered why. I expect Zorn to be the one to put an end to it. Why it has taken this long I don't know but Gibbs kept him there throughout his second stint as HC as far as I can remember and he wasn't much better then. Zorn has said repeatedly it would take 2 years for the receivers to become efficient in this system as well as the QB. Trent Dilfer has commented on how complex this system is when in full force and other QB's familiar in this offense put 2-3 years as the timeline for becoming efficient in it. Could it be that as some players have said, the game is slowing down for them and they're starting to get it? I often think this staff is too cautious myself but someone like DT who acts like all he needed was the chance, couldn't even run the correct route half the time. I'm glad to see he's coming on but I find it hard to blame Zorn for him taking this long to do so. Even his own father said it takes DT 2 years to understand what to do and predicted this year he would come out strong. Davis seemed to have a case of the fumbles earlier this year, glad to see he's worked harder on holding on to the ball and put in extra time on his blocking. I guess he was just waiting to start to improve? Zorn has made mistakes but I'm not sure changing coaches is the answer at this point. As the HC he has to shoulder some blame, but not all of it. We're having growing pains but as of late, at least it appears we're growing. We're showing signs of what he said we would.

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[quote=53Fan;640467]There is no defense for having ARE return punts. He also returned them for Cowher and Joe Gibbs. He did alright for Cowher, but not for Gibbs, and he never stopped it even though we wondered why. I expect Zorn to be the one to put an end to it. Why it has taken this long I don't know but Gibbs kept him there throughout his second stint as HC as far as I can remember and he wasn't much better then. Zorn has said repeatedly it would take 2 years for the receivers to become efficient in this system as well as the QB. Trent Dilfer has commented on how complex this system is when in full force and other QB's familiar in this offense put 2-3 years as the timeline for becoming efficient in it. Could it be that as some players have said, the game is slowing down for them and they're starting to get it? I often think this staff is too cautious myself but someone like DT who acts like all he needed was the chance, couldn't even run the correct route half the time. I'm glad to see he's coming on but I find it hard to blame Zorn for him taking this long to do so. Even his own father said it takes DT 2 years to understand what to do and predicted this year he would come out strong. Davis seemed to have a case of the fumbles earlier this year, glad to see he's worked harder on holding on to the ball and put in extra time on his blocking.[B] I guess he was just waiting to start to improve?[/B][/quote]

I don't know where the interview is, but Zorn said that they had been wanting to get FD involved but he wasn't showing enough, but once Cooley went down and he was forced in, FD stepped up. But the way Zorn said it made it sound like it was FDs fault. I am saying by looking at the repeated decision by Zorn to hold off on putting a young player in, FD knew he wasn't going to get the chance regardless. Look, Cooley and JC had a great timing, so back off their practice [U]a little[/U] and put FD in to force him to prepare. That's a coach's job, maybe not the HC, but again, if the coaches and players know that the younger guys aren't getting in even if a player takes all the practices off, then why are they going to try to get in. It was the atmosphere Zorn thrived in, where the senior class was gonna get everything, and the freshman had to wait, regardless of how they practiced.

and also just realized this is way :offtopic: sorry guys.

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[quote=SmootSmack;640456]When the Browns talk to Holmgren it's "The Browns are taking decisive action now to make fundamental changes to the organization" When the Redskins talk to Shanahan it's "Dan Snyder has no patience, he's always meddling"[/quote]

Smack, I would actually enjoy the privledge of being able to ask Mr. Snyder what he considers his credentials to be that favors him being so heavily involved in the day to day operation of the team.

I know it's his team and he can do what he wants, but he does not have a football resume, his success is rooted elsewhere. He's a ten year owner now, and I'm convinced that had he had some history where professional sports are concerned, the team would not have been and continue to be a revolving door.

He consistently maintains the fact he want's to win and I really believe he does. What's so difficult for him to take a step back, hire the people who know how to do what he's "trying" to do and evaluate it's success or failure? I would think even he would look at his body of work since becoming owner and say to himself this is not working, and ask himself what can I do to make it better as oposed to constantly dismissing personnel when the team fails to win on a timeline.

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[quote=Longtimefan;640479]Smack, [B]I would actually enjoy the privledge of being able to ask Mr. Snyder what he considers his credentials to be that favors him being so heavily involved in the day to day operation of the team.[/B]

I know it's his team and he can do what he wants, but he does not have a football resume, his success is rooted elsewhere. [B]He's a ten year owner now[/B], and I'm convinced that had he had some history where professional sports are concerned, the team would not have been and continue to be a revolving door.

He consistently maintains the fact he want's to win and I really believe he does. What's so difficult for him to take a step back, hire the people who know how to do what he's "trying" to do and evaluate it's success or failure? I would think even he would look at his body of work since becoming owner and say to himself this is not working, and ask himself what can I do to make it better as oposed to constantly dismissing personnel when the team fails to win on a timeline.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure he'd give you the answer you gave yourself. He's been an owner for the past 10 years, spending each and every day involved in football operations. He'd say he understands the NFL and how it works and he has a vision on how to build a winner. Like it or not, he's got a decade of experience with players, coaches, front office, the salary cap, league personnel, etc. He has 'credentials' on paper. Now the reality is that the results have been mediocre. 2 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win is not getting it done. He will admit he's made mistakes and strongly state his desire to win (which I believe) but will also remain committed to doing it his way.

At the end of the conversation you'd probably wish you hadn't had it because you'd be more frustrated than you were before!

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[quote=SmootSmack;640461]Like Bruce Allen[/quote]

He would be perfect!

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[quote=celts32;640488]He would be perfect![/quote]

I think he will always be someone who is in Snyder's ear because they're good friends. But I don't know that he would be employed under Snyder

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;640477]I don't know where the interview is, but Zorn said that they had been wanting to get FD involved but he wasn't showing enough, but once Cooley went down and he was forced in, FD stepped up. But the way Zorn said it made it sound like it was FDs fault. I am saying by looking at the repeated decision by Zorn to hold off on putting a young player in, FD knew he wasn't going to get the chance regardless. Look, Cooley and JC had a great timing, so back off their practice [U]a little[/U] and put FD in to force him to prepare. That's a coach's job, maybe not the HC, but again, if the coaches and players know that the younger guys aren't getting in even if a player takes all the practices off, then why are they going to try to get in. It was the atmosphere Zorn thrived in, where the senior class was gonna get everything, and the freshman had to wait, regardless of how they practiced.

and also just realized this is way :offtopic: sorry guys.[/quote]

I understand what you're saying C but Davis [B]was [/B]given chances. He also got a lot of practice, hence all the stories about how good he was. A healthy Cooley was not going to be benched for someone who, at the time, couldn't hold on to the ball. DT was given chances too but couldn't even run the correct route. Part of the reason DT said he's playing better is because he wanted his starting position back after it was given to Kelly. I've said before that players would step up more if given the responsibility, but if they don't, sometimes you need to sit them back down until they realize the jobs not theirs until they're willing to put the work in. I still think alot of it is just mental, and as Zorn has said, it would take a while to catch on. There's a lot of precision and detail in this offense and they just weren't getting it before. Now they are and it's starting to look pretty good. And to stay on topic, JC is getting it too and being benched probably helped him out.

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[quote=SmootSmack;640489]I think he will always be someone who is in Snyder's ear because they're good friends. But I don't know that he would be employed under Snyder[/quote]

Is that because he won't work for Snyder or because Snyder wouldn't hire him?

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[quote=Paintrain;640486]I'm pretty sure he'd give you the answer you gave yourself. He's been an owner for the past 10 years, spending each and every day involved in football operations. He'd say he understands the NFL and how it works and he has a vision on how to build a winner. Like it or not, he's got a decade of experience with players, coaches, front office, the salary cap, league personnel, etc. He has 'credentials' on paper. Now the reality is that the results have been mediocre. 2 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win is not getting it done. He will admit he's made mistakes and strongly state his desire to win (which I believe) but will also remain committed to doing it his way.

At the end of the conversation you'd probably wish you hadn't had it because you'd be more frustrated than you were before![/quote]

I'm convinced you're right, and what you mention is probably why he's adopted the slogan of "if it ain't broke don't fix it." His philosophy has been steadfast even before he gained the experience he has over his period of ownership.

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[quote=celts32;640508]Is that because he won't work for Snyder or because Snyder wouldn't hire him?[/quote]

I don't think it's anything like that. I just think that Allen, for now at least, enjoys being in more of a "consultant" type role and keeping his options open.

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[quote=SmootSmack;640456]When the Browns talk to Holmgren it's "The Browns are taking decisive action now to make fundamental changes to the organization" When the Redskins talk to Shanahan it's "Dan Snyder has no patience, he's always meddling"[/quote]

It's a totally different situation. It looks like Lerner is trying to start from the very top and work his way down. Hire top football guy, let him hire the coach, scouts and so on. That's not the case here. Snyder is trying to get Shanahan DURING the season. Sorry but that's meddling.

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[quote=Texanskin;640429]Totally agree....what we SHOULD do (and we are missing out as i type) is bring back JC, keep Zorn and......hire Mike Holmgren as the GM!!!!! Since he ran the WC offense and knows Zorn very well...it would make a perfect match while keeping JC in the same system. Holmgren would be able to tell if Zorn is better or Sherm Lewis at calling plays (so you solve that issue). But.......we are sitting on our hands and the Browns are making moves....I really believe this would work....thoughts???[/quote]

I don't think bringing in MH is a good idea. One he wouldn't take any shit from Napolean. And two he's never run a front office before.

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[quote=skinsfan69;640529]I don't think bringing in MH is a good idea. One he wouldn't take any shit from Napolean. And two he's never run a front office before.[/quote]

He was GM/head coach when he first got to Seattle

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[quote=Mattyk72;640552]He was GM/head coach when he first got to Seattle[/quote]

That's right. He treid to do both and it didn't work. My point was that the majority of his career he's been a coach. He's not true personel guy. I want a guy that's willing to go to the middle of no where and find Leon Lett or a Monte Colemen.

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[quote=skinsfan69;640566]That's right. He treid to do both and it didn't work. My point was that the majority of his career he's been a coach. He's not true personel guy. I want a guy that's willing to go to the middle of no where and find Leon Lett or a Monte Colemen.[/quote]

I thought your point was he's never run a front office before.

He does have experience doing it and he's probably always had a significant say in personnel during his coaching years.