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[quote=Longtimefan;641836]Well said....I don't think you'll get much of an argument from anyone in regards to your assessment. "The Rooney Rule Is A Joke" Unfortunately teams have to give the impression that they are in total compliance.[/quote]
Are we going to talk football here, or are we going to make ourselves look like racists, because we have a problem with someone getting an opportunity to interview for a job that in otherwise wouldn't have a chance. Why don't you guys worry about football, and let those guys worry about the interview , it's their dime and time not yours. I'd also say if no Rooney Rule there would be no Super Bowl champion Mike Tomlin. So unless you've walked a mile in a minorities shoes YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! about what a minority goes through just to even get there foot in the door, even though we have a black President. All you guys have done is made yourselves look like racists and that saddens me because I don't see us all in black and white we are Burgundy and Gold....hail!

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[quote=SBXVII;641890]I was thinking the same thing but couldn't put into words.

I often wondered why minorities and non minorities don't get upset about affirmative action. To me it send two negative messages:

1) The Gov. is applying a rule that discriminates against non minorities.

2) It sends a message that minorities can't get a job based on their own qualifications. If I was a minority I think I would be mad that I was given the job solely because the business needed to hire a minority vs. me being better qualified then the other applicants and getting the job due to hard work and diligence.

I do understand that there are lots and lots of instances where minorities are discriminated against because they are a minority, and they don't get the job even though they are the better candidate.

I don't know. I don't mean to piss people off but the message just seems bad. (A) We will discriminate against non minorities in order to correct a wrong against minorities, and (B) The Gov. is calling minorities inferior and making a law to level the playing field. I know the law was put in place to combat discrimination but it should be changed to either protect all americans no matter what color or nationality or eliminate it all together. If we keep the law then tweek it so the business or whoever is punished severely for their discrimination.

but as someone else said ...in the NFL its kinda the old boys club and they would interview the janitor and say we interviewed someone to satisfy the rule instead of actually interviewing a qualified candidate or they would interview a qualified applicant to only give it to who they want to be their next GM or HC. The law only says they have to interview someone not that they have to be qualified or seriously considered.[/quote]
You guys are simply lost and simple minded so I'm going to exit from this discussion, because this conversation shouldn't even be going on, and Mods shame on you for allowing this crap to continue, do you all think minorities only belong on the field? regardless of the views of a few ignorant few, I still Love my Skins and all the minorities that help make this a class organization even if some of the fans are not!

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[quote=Eknox;641891]Are we going to talk football here, or are we going to make ourselves look like racists, because we have a problem with someone getting an opportunity to interview for a job that in otherwise wouldn't have a chance. Why don't you guys worry about football, and let those guys worry about the interview , it's their dime and time not yours. I'd also say if no Rooney Rule there would be no Super Bowl champion Mike Tomlin. So unless you've walked a mile in a minorities shoes YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! about what a minority goes through just to even get there foot in the door, even though we have a black President. All you guys have done is made yourselves look like racists and that saddens me because I don't see us all in black and white we are Burgundy and Gold....hail![/quote]



Thank Goodness, I been reading through this bullshit all day, and Finally Someone steps up with some since.....Thank You Eknox!!!!!!!

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[quote=Nomad;641895]Thank Goodness, I been reading through this bullshit all day, and Finally Someone steps up with some since.....Thank You Eknox!!!!!!![/quote]
you're welcome, this is truly disturbing...

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Shanahan, wow, lets talk about him and someone start a Rooney rule thread. Are there any updates.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;641816]The Rooney Rule is garbage.... no one says we should try out white RBs before we sign a black one....its a freaking joke. The NFL is about winning, if an owner is still dumb enough to NOT hire the best coach for the job regardless of color his record will prove his incompitence. The rule is insulting and demeaning.[/quote]

I'm sorry but your post seems a bit unintelligent. Nothing in the Rooney Rule says that a minority candidate should be interviewed before a non-minority. The Rule just wants to make sure that owners interview at least one or two qualified minority candidates. Nothing in the Rule says that owners have to hire these minority candidates. And many agree that the rule at the least gives these candidates exposure in the league and/or the opportunity to go through an interview process that historically they have not gotten.

I highly doubt that in the past couple of years, a less qualified minority candidate has been hired over a qualified non-minority; or that non-minority candidates have lost opportunities because of the Rooney Rule. Also, the Rule gives teams the flexibility of bypass it if an assistant becomes a coach-in-waiting (i.e. Mora Jr. in Seattle).

For people that are "concerned" about how this affect minority candidates in regards to having these interviews when there's a clearcut candidate in mind, well they have the option to decline these interviews just like it happen in Detroit when Mooch was hired. Otherwise, I'm sure some young minority head coach or executive would see an interview as an opportunity.

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[quote=SBXVII;641890]I was thinking the same thing but couldn't put into words.

I often wondered why minorities and non minorities don't get upset about affirmative action. To me it send two negative messages:

1) The Gov. is applying a rule that discriminates against non minorities.

2) It sends a message that minorities can't get a job based on their own qualifications. If I was a minority I think I would be mad that I was given the job solely because the business needed to hire a minority vs. me being better qualified then the other applicants and getting the job due to hard work and diligence.

I do understand that there are lots and lots of instances where minorities are discriminated against because they are a minority, and they don't get the job even though they are the better candidate.

I don't know. I don't mean to piss people off but the message just seems bad. (A) We will discriminate against non minorities in order to correct a wrong against minorities, and (B) The Gov. is calling minorities inferior and making a law to level the playing field. I know the law was put in place to combat discrimination but it should be changed to either protect all americans no matter what color or nationality or eliminate it all together. If we keep the law then tweek it so the business or whoever is punished severely for their discrimination.

but as someone else said ...in the NFL its kinda the old boys club and they would interview the janitor and say we interviewed someone to satisfy the rule instead of actually interviewing a qualified candidate or they would interview a qualified applicant to only give it to who they want to be their next GM or HC. The law only says they have to interview someone not that they have to be qualified or seriously considered.[/quote]


cosign. i agree to a T. to quote the the first sentence of your post, "I was thinking the same thing but couldn't put into words"!

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[quote=TIFOSOdeiREDSKINS;641903]cosign. i agree to a T. to quote the the first sentence of your post, "I was thinking the same thing but couldn't put into words"![/quote]

I don't understand how the Rooney Rule discriminates against non-minorities. Can you all please show me an instance in which a non-minority candidate did not get the chance to interview because of the Rooney Rule?

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I see where this is going and I will not waste my time with such [B]ignorance[/B], now you all have a face!

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As a white guy who has some black friends, it just baffles that we still have some ignorant people that think the Rooney Rule is crap. If you're not a minority you can't say anthing about what it takes or how it feels for them to even get an oppurtunity like a Coach or GM.

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[quote=Eknox;641891]Are we going to talk football here, or are we going to make ourselves look like racists, because we have a problem with someone getting an opportunity to interview for a job that in otherwise wouldn't have a chance. Why don't you guys worry about football, and let those guys worry about the interview , it's their dime and time not yours. I'd also say if no Rooney Rule there would be no Super Bowl champion Mike Tomlin. So unless you've walked a mile in a minorities shoes YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT! about what a minority goes through just to even get there foot in the door, even though we have a black President. All you guys have done is made yourselves look like racists and that saddens me because I don't see us all in black and white we are Burgundy and Gold....hail![/quote]

The point I was trying to make has absolutely nothing to do with race, or anything associated with race. It did however speak to the fair and unbiased implementation of a rule that's difficult to police.

No one has to tell me much about the rule or the purpose of it's intent. I was afforded a job in county government as a result of affirmative action. Mike Tomlin, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Marvin Lewis were not hired as a rusult of the Rooney Rule, they were hired because they were well qualified for the position. None of these men had to be hired, regardless of the rule they still could have been passed over.

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[quote=Ruhskins;641904][B]I don't understand how the Rooney Rule discriminates against non-minorities.[/B] Can you all please show me an instance in which a non-minority candidate did not get the chance to interview because of the Rooney Rule?[/quote]

If you are a non-minority you do not have to be interviewed. If a owner interviews only minority canidates, non-minority canidates will be discriminated against.

Other then that a perfectly good rule.

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[quote=mlmpetert;641911]If you are a non-minority you do not have to be interviewed. [B]If a owner interviews only minority canidates[/B], non-minority canidates will be discriminated against.

Other then that a perfectly good rule.[/quote]

And given the history of the NFL, do you really think this is going to happen?

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The Rooney Rule is not crap. What's the harm for non-minorities, if a minority gets an interview?

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[quote=mlmpetert;641911][B]If you are a non-minority you do not have to be interviewed[/B]. If a owner interviews only minority canidates, non-minority canidates will be discriminated against.

Other then that a perfectly good rule.[/quote]

If this started happening they would include non-minorities to the rule. This is just crap.

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[quote=mlmpetert;641911][B]If you are a non-minority you do not have to be interviewed. [/B]If a owner interviews only minority canidates, non-minority canidates will be discriminated against.

Other then that a perfectly good rule.[/quote]

You sound like Rush Limbaugh. Please stop while you are behind.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;641851][B]Rooney Rule=Equal Employment Opportunity [/B]Every job you apply to has this rule, so therefore same thing goes for the NFL.[/quote]

EOE law does NOT mandate that you must interview a minority candidate :laughing2

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[quote=hooskins;641810]Do you guys think Zorn will actually take a demotion? Again? That is harsh, we already gutted him once. I dont know if I could stomach that again, if I was in his position.[/quote]

Nah, he'll be coaching in some capacity in Cleveland next year once Holmgren lands the GM job there.

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Personally, I think one human of every ethnic group/sexual orientation/gender should be interviewed for every job available. Further, the presidency ought to be changed from a one person job to a cooperative hegemony, again with one of every ethnic group/sexual orientation/gender represented. Further, the UN should have multiple representatives from every nation one for every ethnic group/sexual orientation/gender.

Granted nothing would get accomplished, but hey BONUS!

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[quote=vallin21;641906]As a white guy who has some black friends, it just baffles that we still have some ignorant people that think the Rooney Rule is crap. If you're not a minority you can't say anthing about what it takes or how it feels for them to even get an oppurtunity like a Coach or GM.[/quote]

Bro well said, but don't waste your time with this ignorant shit..... I am Black and I would be joyed to death to have Shanahan as our Coach, But to stomp on something that gives people oppourtunity.... is stupid and not sure Why no Mod or Matty has stepped in and put a muzzle on these idiots?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;641925]Personally, I think one human of every ethnic group/sexual orientation/gender should be interviewed for every job available. Further, the presidency ought to be changed from a one person job to a cooperative hegemony, again with one of every ethnic group/sexual orientation/gender represented. Further, the UN should have multiple representatives from every nation one for every ethnic group/sexual orientation/gender.

Granted nothing would get accomplished, but hey BONUS![/quote]

I'll say it again - what's the harm of ONE minority being interviewed?

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Let's get back on topic and talk about Shanahan.

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[quote=Eknox;641891] I'd also say if no Rooney Rule there would be no Super Bowl champion Mike Tomlin. [/quote]

You must be kidding.

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[QUOTE=warriorzpath]I'll say it again - what's the harm of ONE minority being interviewed?[/QUOTE]

none I was being sarcastic towards the whole debate. It's a simple rule, it's not the end of the world, it's also not salvation in a handbasket. It's just a rule.

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[quote=Longtimefan;641908]The point I was trying to make has absolutely nothing to do with race, or anything associated with race. It did however speak to the fair and unbiased implementation of a rule that's difficult to police.

No one has to tell me much about the rule or the purpose of it's intent. I was afforded a job in county government as a result of affirmative action. Mike Tomlin, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Marvin Lewis were not hired as a rusult of the Rooney Rule, they were hired because they were well qualified for the position. None of these men had to be hired, regardless of the rule they still could have been passed over.[/quote]

Exactly.

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Denver is now reporting its pretty much a done deal, he should be named coach soon.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;641933]Denver is now reporting its pretty much a done deal, he should be named coach soon.[/quote]
Well that will be the report for at least the next 2 weeks. There is no way that we tear apart the staff before the two NFC East games.

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I heard them say just earlier that he would be named by the end of the day.....

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[quote=Ruhskins;641913]And given the history of the NFL, do you really think this is going to happen?[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Yeah at some point. I dont think when my grandmother (Grammy) fled Czechoslovakia she ever thought there would be a black (or communist! (j/k)) American president in her lifetime, at least 50 years ago. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think the point SBXVII is making is that whenever you make a decision to hire someone it should be based solely on merit and skin color or sex (imagine a female coach, now that’s progressive!) shouldn’t play a part in that decision. The government is saying that it should. Things like the affirmative action or the Rooney Rule (not govt. right?) say hey race needs to be considered when making a hiring decision. I think in the case of affirmative action, when 2 equally qualified persons apply for a job where one is a white male and the other is not the person who is not has to get the job for certain size organizations. Obviously the Rooney Rule doesn’t go this far, but I guess other rules go further like many public colleges in their application decisions. So its just however you want to run your organization. That’s cool with me, its your organization.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I personally have no beef with the Rooney Rule, but like all the other rules it gives the impression (to some ignorant individuals) that minorities have to be given a shot because they cant make it on merit alone. If they just make the rules indifferent based on race, and say everyone had to be given a equal chance. So if the Rooney Rule said white males had to be interviewed also (which in this day-and-age wouldn’t change anything), it would remove a lot of the perceived notions that minorities cant get it done on their own, or all owners are raciest, or Danny Snyder has to get the biggest named coach before looking anywhere else first. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;641935]I heard them say just earlier that he would be named by the end of the day.....[/quote]

I think this is all for next season, he already said he wasn't taking a team over during the season. So I'm sure this will just be for next year, all fine by me.

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[quote=Nomad;641926]Bro well said, but don't waste your time with this ignorant shit..... I am Black and I would be joyed to death to have Shanahan as our Coach, But to stomp on something that gives people oppourtunity.... is stupid and not sure Why no Mod or Matty has stepped in and put a muzzle on these idiots?[/quote]
Don't look at it as a stomp on opportunity. Without the rule it was okay to interview minorities too. There were black coaches before the rule. I don't have a problem with the Rooney Rule existing but it's a bit demeaning when a team has who they want or a shortlist, and if it doesn't include a minority, them having to find one.

There's nothing wrong with having a black coach, a white coach, a hispanic coach, whatever the case may be. There is something wrong if you have to interview a minority but don't have to interview a non-minority though in my opinion. Either way the better guy should get the job, but let it work both ways.

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[QUOTE]
FOX 5’s Dave Feldman has learned that former NFL coach Mike Shanahan was dropped off at Redskins Park Friday morning around 10:00 a.m
[/QUOTE]

Looking good.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;641939]Looking good.[/quote]
To be a fly on that wall...

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[quote=InsaneBoost;641939]Looking good.[/quote]

I'm stoked....... Guy's and this is to everyone! Do you know that we will have s Superb Team next year, or Offense will be in the top 10 and Our D will be in the top 5, can you say Division Champs!!!!!! Now Tell me, everyone can't get down with that!!!!!!

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[quote=Eknox;641894]You guys are simply lost and simple minded so I'm going to exit from this discussion, because this conversation shouldn't even be going on, and Mods shame on you for allowing this crap to continue, do you all think minorities only belong on the field? regardless of the views of a few ignorant few, I still Love my Skins and all the minorities that help make this a class organization even if some of the fans are not![/quote]

No I never said they should be stuck on the field. As a matter of fact I agreed that minorities don't get a fair shake most of the time. I agreed minorities may even be the better qualified HC or GM. I agreed the Rooney Rule is a bunch of garbage cause it's not fixing what the NFL meant to accomplish.

What I added was that the Gov. affirmitive action is just as discriminatory as some of the owners or managers of businesses who would not hire someone because they were a minority. It's discriminatory for two reasons..
1. being that the affirmitive action law basically tells business that they have to have a certain % of minorities working for the company. Although it was a good law when it was designed and has good intentions it's doing exactly what it was meant to try and stop from happening...discrimination.

2. I mentioned that any law designed around the idea of helping any one group of people and not all people is not only discriminatory to the rest, it's demeaning to the very people it was designed to help. Would you rather get a job cause you worked hard, did good work, and had great evaluations regarding your work or would you rather get the job cause you fit the billet that your a minority and they need you to satisfy their % of minorities who work for the company? I'm not being nieve and saying discrimination does not happen so don't be nieve that people are not hired simply to fill a statistical need.

Sorry if you took it wrong. Sorry if you don't get my point. I know there is discrimination and it's not fair, but the Gov. who is supposed to be fair to all people can't be designing laws that are fair to only one group of people and not all people.

How can discrimination be fixed so that all people are treated fairly? I don't know.

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[quote=tryfuhl;641940]to be a fly on that wall...[/quote]

lol.

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Back on topic please

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while i'm happy about Shanahan being hired, i simply don't understand the timing. How can you hire a head coach when you already have one who's getting the ready for a MNF game?

If Shanahan is hired in any capacity, Zorn had better be fired immediately. There's simply no justification for stringing him along any more. I know Snyder needs to do whats best for the franchise long term, but there's got to be some decency displayed here. I'll be disgusted if Shanahan is hired as Team President and Zorn stays on to coach 3 games, then is fired and Shanahan becomes the head coach.

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Smoot, where are you? LOL

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;641949]Smoot, where are you? LOL[/quote]

Hopefull out there talking to his peeps getting the inside scoop. :)