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I think Albert was sent home nore for speaking out publicly against Blache and the BS scheme they run. He also was late , but that was just an excuse to send him home. I believe Albet that the coaches were pissed he spoke out against Blache.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;645896]Statistically we were a top D til like 4-5 weeks ago, according to NFL.com.[B] We were #1 pass Defense and #2 overall for a bit of a stretch there[/B] til our O got in a groove, but the D seemed to collapse.[/quote]

Don't forget we played 6 teams that hadn't won a game when we played them.

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Our Defense this year has been up and down. When we needed them to make a stop they can't. When we needed them to get to the QB they can't. When we needed them to force a turnover they don't. When we needed them to score points the won't. It appears our defense coaching philospy is dont give up big plays and keep them from scoring TD's we will settle for FG's. All this does is keeps us from being aggressive and puts us on our heels.

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Personally people who say that Haynesworth isn't doing well this year don't know football. The guy has 4 sacks as a DT and he's a huge part of the reason that we have two guys with double digit sacks. Keep in mind the leader of the Titans only have 29 sacks this year after 44 last year.

Maybe he was right about Blache's scheme but the way he went about it was horrible. I'm all for a change at D-Coordinator, particularly if Shannahan can bring in Mike Zimmer.

Someone also pointed out that Haynesworth is becoming image conscious, if anything I think you have a point there.

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[quote=skinsfan69;645812]It can't hold a lead so do you blame the coaches or the players? See it's easy to sit here and blame Blache. Should be do more attacking? Well sure but that puts a strain on the db's and they can't cover worth shit. Maybe the reason why he's conservative is because of the secondary.[/quote]

maybe it's so scheme-driven that they have to limit themselves or think too much instead of reacting.. maybe that's what's wrong with Landry.. who knows

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[quote=44Deezel;645855]I don't think Haynesworth is worth the money we spent, especially since the Titans got the same production for a fraction of the price, BUT anyone who thinks Carter and Orakpo would have double digit sacks if he weren't here is crazy.[/quote]

There's a huge difference between a rookie contract from 7 years ago and a 2nd contract as arguably the best player at your position.

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maybe he should call the plays then.

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[quote=Longtimefan;645904]Albert has become image conscious. He has heard the rumblings about him not playing all the plays, not worth his contract.

.[/quote]


Why is that?

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[quote=Giantone;646017]Why is that?[/quote]

He's convinced the public perception of him would be much different if he was alowed to do what they promised him in their pitch to get him to sign a contract here. Could be he views it as a broken promise. The guys' upset because he feels like he could be doing more to help the team. Maybe we need more Haynesworths' that show that type passion about winning and losing. The one thing he could have done differently was to keep his thoughts and comments in-house.

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If he thinks Blache is bad, wait till Slowik gets here!


:Flush:

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All the complaints and drama going on with Haynesworth is justified. He is voicing the frustration of the players with what's going on with the team. Hell.. he's voicing the fans' frustration too.

It all started with Zorn and with the lack of leadership. Blache is too conservative in his schemes, but he got my respect earlier in the season by accepting the responsibility of the failures of the team. At least he wasn't hiding behind excuses. The major flaw of Blache is that he's too stubborn with the way he coaches. He won't accept that his schemes and gameplanning sometimes don't work. But there's a lack of discipline and instinct in the secondary -- that also has alot to do with the defensive failures lately.

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This latest and greatest report is just further proof in my mind that we are a very dysfunctional organization right now.

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Frankly, I love it...who do you think Snyder is going to listen to? the player or the coaches, keep in mind that Albert makes more than probably the entire coaching staff.

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One of the biggest mistakes coaches make is being stubborn and not adjusting to the strengths of the talent they're given. I think Zorn was especially guilty of this with Campbell, hence the dramatic improvement in production once Lewis took over the playcalling but back on topic, Blache did this with Taylor in '08 and now Haynesworth in '10. It's almost like he'd rather have a bunch of nobodies that he can tell what to do rather than adjust his scheme suited to his talented players.

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[quote=Paintrain;646063]One of the biggest mistakes coaches make is being stubborn and not adjusting to the strengths of the talent they're given. I think Zorn was especially guilty of this with Campbell, hence the dramatic improvement in production once Lewis took over the playcalling but back on topic, Blache did this with Taylor in '08 and now Haynesworth in '10. [B] It's almost like he'd rather have a bunch of nobodies that he can tell what to do rather than adjust his scheme suited to his talented players[/B].[/quote]

Exactly! I don't know why you'd even bother to get a passrusher in his scheme. He wants his linemen to play the run and his DB's to make a s**tload of reads and cover like he has a bunch of Champ Baileys back there. He doesn't even disguise blitzes very well. He was getting the same reaction from Chicago fans during his time there.

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I think Phat Al tried to be a good guy by keeping his mouth shut but finally his frustration boiled over. I think he is publicly lobbying now for a new DC who will let him be free. I also think that his criticisms are spot on.

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One thing I want to bring notice to is the fact that despite having one of the league's best defenses, don't you guys feel as if they give up a lot of big plays and don't show up when it matters most? I've lost track of the times when the defense has really needed to have a stop and been run over...in my opinion, the finger of blame falls squarely on the coaching and I'll be happy to see Blache gone

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I just have an honest question for you guys. Given that Portis earlier this year was guilty of the same stuff (badmouthing coaches, people, etc...) why was no discipline issued to him? Now i know he would have gotten injured anyway, but he did this stuff all the time and nobody ever touched him....whY?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;646128]I just have an honest question for you guys. Given that Portis earlier this year was guilty of the same stuff (badmouthing coaches, people, etc...) why was no discipline issued to him? Now i know he would have gotten injured anyway, but he did this stuff all the time and nobody ever touched him....whY?[/quote]

Portis wasn't disciplined because all he did was badmouth players. Haynesworth was allegedly disciplined because he showed up late. I guess if you show up on time you can talk as much trash as you want. :)

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Phat Al spoke his mind at the right time if you ask me. He is saying you brought me over to be the dominant player i was in Tenn so let me be me. This is a message to the owner, GM, current coaching staff, future coaching staff, players & peers. I LOVE IT!!!

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Albert upset the coaches and I think we are seeing a little of Zorn's ugly side right now considering how far south he has taken this team

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[quote=rbanerjee23;646133]Albert upset the coaches and I think we are seeing a little of Zorn's ugly side right now considering how far south he has taken this team[/quote]

I agree about Zorns ugly side, I also think the best possible case in this is SS's comment about Bruce Allen. I can accept AH's complaints, but if BA is trying to change the culture that would be a huge positive, especially if it includes the 100million dollar man, would send a sign that a new sherriff is in town, and no one is exempt. The worst case is if Zorn honestly felt this was his Bill Belicheck Randy Moss moment. But this staff is gone, so I really can't worry about that.

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[quote=Lotus;646070]I think Phat Al tried to be a good guy by keeping his mouth shut but finally his frustration boiled over. I think he is publicly lobbying now for a new DC who will let him be free. I also think that his criticisms are spot on.[/quote]

Great post. You are right.
With the type of players we now have on defense, Orakpo, Haynesworth, etc. we need an attacking defensive system. GM Allen needs to be careful who he brings in to be DC.
A bit off topic, but we were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs a month ago. Why are the young guys not playing more? Jeremy Jarmon, Kevin Barnes, Marko Mitchell, Lendy Holmes, Edwin Williams, Robert Henson, etc.
Where are they and why are they not on the field? It is time to stop protecting these rookies and see what they have. Seeing someone like Phillip Daniels play at this point is a waste.

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I guess it took AH to do this for it to be okay.. every other player of ours that did it had "bad character" and whatnot in most fans' eyes

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phat al did the right thing..im sorry we have some serious problems with our schemes...if he is to be our marquee player with rakpo as his deputy we have to play towards their strengths

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[quote=Defensewins;646138]Great post. You are right.
With the type of players we now have on defense, Orakpo, Haynesworth, etc. we need an attacking defensive system. GM Allen needs to be careful who he brings in to be DC.
A bit off topic, but we were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs a month ago. Why are the young guys not playing more? Jeremy Jarmon, Kevin Barnes, Marko Mitchell, Lendy Holmes, Edwin Williams, Robert Henson, etc.
Where are they and why are they not on the field? It is time to stop protecting these rookies and see what they have. Seeing someone like Phillip Daniels play at this point is a waste.[/quote]

Well Jarmon is on IR, I would like to have seen more of Barnes especially

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Anyone ready to question Big Al on this one? Colinsworth has questioned our safety positioning all night.

Thanks for trying, Blache. You are behind the times but legitimate. Our head coach is a punchline.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;646695]Anyone ready to question Big Al on this one? Colinsworth has questioned our safety positioning all night.

Thanks for trying, Blache. You are behind the times but legitimate. Our head coach is a punchline.[/quote]


Got to to disagree here.Blache and Zorn are very respected around the league and both highly thought of.It's the prior upper management and ownership under question .Colinsworth also questioned Big Al's mouth last night"keep it in house".

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I think Zorn is clearly respected as a player, but his "head coaching" skills are......suspect AT best

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[quote=Giantone;646836]Got to to disagree here.Blache and Zorn are very respected around the league and both highly thought of.It's the prior upper management and ownership under question .Colinsworth also questioned Big Al's mouth last night"keep it in house".[/quote]


Good one. And what evidence do you have that Zorn is "very respected". He was about to get canned by Seattle as a QB coach. No one wanted him as an OC let alone as a head coach and with his ineptitude here, he is probably done in the league.

Look at it this way, since you think he is so respected, what would you do if the Giants hired this bufoon tomorrow? That is what I thought. If this jackass got another job in the division, I would throw a party.

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Who in the living F### other than his people in Seattle respect Zorn?

Think about it. He was exposed as a bad play-caller when Sherm was brought in. He was shamed by having his duties "removed" from him, and now even he knows that he is a lame duck coach. Zorn is a laughing stock around the league. And it's sad because i think he is a good man, but being a good man doesn't equate to success in the NFL.

Zorn's NFL career is likely over. I could see him landing in Cleveland because of Mike Holmgren....but ONLY as a QB Coach....no way he is anything more....

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;646695]Anyone ready to question Big Al on this one? Colinsworth has questioned our safety positioning all night.

Thanks for trying, Blache. You are behind the times but legitimate. Our head coach is a punchline.[/quote]

All of this talk about Blache and is scheme is nothing but BS. I'm so tired of it. CC pointed out 1 or 2 plays that got exposed. That happens every single game to every team in the NFL. Everyone wants the guy to blitz but that would be the worse thing he could do. If we go blitz happy against Dallas they score 30+ points cause we can't cover anyone. Leaving our DB's and LB's in 1 on 1 isn't smart. Blache may be old school and stubborn but that is the best way to go with this group. Defense did their job last night IMO.

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Zorn is respected for being "such a good guy" and handling everything (though some of it is his own fault) the way he has. I don't think he's considered a well-respected head coach though. He shouldn't be

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[quote=Giantone;646836]Got to to disagree here.Blache and Zorn are very respected around the league and both highly thought of.It's the prior upper management and ownership under question .Colinsworth also questioned Big Al's mouth last night"keep it in house".[/quote]

The respect you speak of for Blache and Zorn does not come from the Redskin community.

It's very easy for Collinsworth to speak because he no longer plays, and is just continuing to beat the drums of those who came before him. There is much to criticize about the Blache defensive scheme, the server will crash before I finish if I were to list it all.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;646861]Good one. And what evidence do you have that Zorn is "very respected". He was about to get canned by Seattle as a QB coach. No one wanted him as an OC let alone as a head coach and with his ineptitude here, he is probably done in the league.

Look at it this way, since you think he is so respected, what would you do if the Giants hired this bufoon tomorrow? That is what I thought. If this jackass got another job in the division, I would throw a party.[/quote]

The "evidence" was very clear when....your owner threw him and the team under the bus,people came out from all over college and pro alike not only to defend Zorn but to make Snyder look like what he is .As for you question about the Giants and Zorn...I think he'd be good for Eli.Funny how fast you forgot how Danny and Vinnie put you in this hole ......not Zorn.

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[quote=Longtimefan;646870]The respect you speak of for Blache and Zorn does not come from the Redskin community.

It's very easy for Collinsworth to speak because he no longer plays, and is just continuing to beat the drums of those who came before him. There is much to criticize about the Blache defensive scheme, the server will crash before I finish if I were to list it all.[/quote]

Of course it doesn't some of you have blinders on and admit that this is the owners fault not the coachs.The reason it's easy for Collinsworth is becuase it's true.

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[quote=Giantone;646877]The "evidence" was very clear when....your owner threw him and the team under the bus,[B]people came out from all[/B] [B]over college and pro alike[/B] not only to defend Zorn but to make Snyder look like what he is .As for you question about the Giants and Zorn...I think he'd be good for Eli.Funny how fast you forgot how Danny and Vinnie put you in this hole ......not Zorn.[/quote]
i wouldn't put too much into that. coaching is like a brethren( kind of like most professions) they will stick up for each other, even if it isn't warranted

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People spoke out against Zorn getting stripped of the playcalling duties because it was a dick move by Vinny in a last ditch effort to save his butt. Sure Zorn is a good guy but he's not head coach material.

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[quote=Giantone;646879]Of course it doesn't some of you have blinders on and admit that this is the owners fault not the coachs.The reason it's easy for Collinsworth is becuase it's true.[/quote]

Fire the owner, problem solved. The time has come where solutions are in order. We have beat Snyder and his ownership practices to death. I'm all in favor of posivite thinking going foreward and offering up possible solutions to get this team back on track.

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[quote=Mattyk;646898]People spoke out against Zorn getting stripped of the playcalling duties because it was a dick move by Vinny in a last ditch effort to save his butt. Sure Zorn is a good guy but he's not head coach material.[/quote]

People said the same thing about Belicheck after Cleveland.Did Zorn make mistakes ...hell yeah,so did Gibbs in his first years,and I still think Joe Gibbs is one of the greatest coachs the NFL has ever seen.The owner created these problems,like when a player feels he is more powerful then the coach and doesn't have to listen to him......then you're done.