Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

Hard to blame the offense for anything that happened yesterday. We're on the backups of the backups, and the defense for Dallas has been ballin' week in and week out since the first time we played them. If we were going to be in this game, we were going to have to try to win it 13-10, or 10-7 or something.

So with that said, only one smackdown for me.

[B]The First Drive[/B] Quick change situation, and we need some sort of stop, at the very least, hold them to the field goal and see if we can't generate a big play off the kick return. Instead, we get a really poor effort, zero pass rush, poor gap responsibility, no interior line performance, and then Hall is covering no one on the TD pass. Even when Orakpo got close to a drive changing play, he couldn't seal the deal.

There were a lot of good things that the defense did in that game (excellent on short yardage, as usual), but ultimately, it's a unit that hasn't had much of an injury list all year. They strive for mediocre. It's just too pathetic an effort from a superior group of players.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;647143]I think he keeps 5 guys on Offense and 7 on Defense...

1. Dockery
2. Devin Thomas
3. Fred Davis
4. M. Mitchell
5. C.Rabach

1.London Fletcher
2. AH
3. Orakpo
4. Hall
5. McIntosh
6. Horton
7. Landry (MAYBE)[/quote]Why would we keep so many of our worst players?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;647143]I think he keeps 5 guys on Offense and 7 on Defense...

1. Dockery
2. Devin Thomas
3. Fred Davis
4. M. Mitchell
5. C.Rabach

1.London Fletcher
2. AH
3. Orakpo
4. Hall
5. McIntosh
6. Horton
7. Landry (MAYBE)[/quote]


Good list Okie. Definitely keep the LBs. AH isn't going anywhere with that contract and he has produced enough to warrant him staying here. Orakpo never should have been placed at OLB, and he will be a beast in 2 seasons. Fletcher is the only guy that is a total gamer on D. McINtosh and Horton are solid. Marko still is a question mark, and Rabach is a keeper if not just for depth,as is Dockery.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=budw38;647104]Don't explode ... I hear it hurts ? I agree with the OL , but .... we are probably 3 years away of being good = yr in & yr out .... so if we go BPA with one of our 1st 2 picks , I can live with that . I hope they sign 2 F/A OL as we need a guy or two that we KNOW can start from day one .[/quote]

I'm....so....tired....of the same BS about us being just 1 or 2 picks away from a SB. 1 or 2 years away. I mean if we are finally going to do it right....finally going to get a GM (as we did) and finally going to build a front office like it's supposed to be done....and finally getting a whole new coaching staff, we might as well "Rebuild" the team.

Let the new staff build the team to their style. Instead of trying to put square pegs in round holes. Can they do what the Caps did....shed all their old dead wood and bring in new young healthy talent?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;647107]First of all, I would put our needs as OT, QB, then RB.
Second of all, RB's can be found anywhere in the draft so don't worry, I have a feeling Shanahan will bring in a good RB here that doesn't have to be a 3rd rounder.[/quote]

Well Shanahan could not talk enough about Alridge to DS. Apparently our coaching staff could not do anything with him but I'm betting Shanahan will know how to use him...which is why we picked him back up and put him on the PS.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;647148]Why would we keep so many of our worst players?[/quote]


Still need depth GTripp. The offensive line sucks all around, but you have to keep some folks for depth. Landry is questionable, but the thing is still about depth.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=dmek25;646851]im laying the smack-down on anyone that says the skins need to draft a quarterback, or best player available. if they don't draft anything but linemen, my head will explode. and if they bring any of the current guys back, except with the intention of using them as back ups, someone needs their head examined[/quote]
You don't just take an o-lineman for the mere fact that we need one. You have to make sure it's a quality pick for where you're drafting and not reaching for a player just because he's an o-lineman.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=tryfuhl;647125]Did you notice that Kareem Moore whiffed on at least 3 as well?[/quote]


I think I can say I saw all the CB and Safties atleast once play Superman and try to fly right by the player with the ball.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=SBXVII;647150]I'm....so....tired....of the same BS about us being just 1 or 2 picks away from a SB. 1 or 2 years away. I mean if we are finally going to do it right....finally going to get a GM (as we did) and finally going to build a front office like it's supposed to be done....and finally getting a whole new coaching staff, we might as well "Rebuild" the team.

Let the new staff build the team to their style. Instead of trying to put square pegs in round holes. Can they do what the Caps did....shed all their old dead wood and bring in new young healthy talent?[/quote]

Even with everyone healthy we're still the 4th best team in the division. It's time to blow it up and start over. Next year should be all about rebuilding while trying to stay competitive.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=SBXVII;647150]I'm....so....tired....of the same BS about us being just 1 or 2 picks away from a SB. 1 or 2 years away. I mean if we are finally going to do it right....finally going to get a GM (as we did) and finally going to build a front office like it's supposed to be done....and finally getting a whole new coaching staff, we might as well "Rebuild" the team.

Let the new staff build the team to their style. Instead of trying to put square pegs in round holes. Can they do what the Caps did....shed all their old dead wood and bring in new young healthy talent?[/quote]
I never said we were 1-2 picks from a SB , nor did I say we're close to a SB . I just hope we bring in some F/A OL so we can keep our qb alive next year .... Allen can cut most of the " stars " on 1-4-2010 for all I care ... I do not lose sleep over the Skins or any other team .

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;647143]I think he keeps 5 guys on Offense and 7 on Defense...

1. Dockery
2. Devin Thomas
3. Fred Davis
4. M. Mitchell
[B]5. C.Rabach[/B]

1.London Fletcher
2. AH
3. Orakpo
4. Hall
5. McIntosh
6. Horton
7. Landry (MAYBE)[/quote]

Trust me we'll keep more then 10 players. Rabach? You'd keep Rabach or you think they will keep Rabach? In either case he sucks. Why do you think Baltimore let him go. He's actually small for a Center and gets bowled over by big good players.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

^ rabach for depth plus he's not that bad. All I'm saying Is that we won't be bringing alot of players back. Shanny will rebuild completely

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[quote=budw38;647136]No , I would not go WR - TE . What I'am saying is this , I would pick a HOF type RB or DL as opposed to a Tackle that I believed was an above average T . I would 1st , bring in 2-3 OL in F/A , then I would not have to use " all of my pics " on one position .[B] I will put it this way , if in rd 2 I have to choose between D.Dockery and B. Sanders ... I draft Sanders[/B] .[/quote]

Good point Bud. I would imagine we'll get some FA's in here. I just don't know if any really good ones will be available. Then again, it wouldn't take much to be better than what we have.

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[quote=RMSkins;647154][B]You don't just take an o-lineman for the mere fact that we need one.[/B] You have to make sure it's a quality pick for where you're drafting and not reaching for a player just because he's an o-lineman.[/quote]

But...you don't just pick up the #1 at any position either. Basically what I'm getting at is Shanahan and whoever he brings in as OL coach (hopefully A.Gibbs) will look at all the offensive lineman coming out of the draft and decide which ones would work best in their blocking scheme. Whoever that is might not even be the #1 or #2 in the draft cause the #1 or #2 might not be best for the scheme but the # 4 might be.

It's nice to think about getting the #1 OL or just picking a different position if we can't get the #1 but don't get mad if they pick up someone else cause they know what type of player fits their system.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

It is all about scouting for your system. Zorn was screwed almost from the get go with leftovers from the Gibbs' system that obviously didn't work well in the WCO. Have to build a system with what you have to work with talent wise. For Shanny to be a success you have to blow the whol enchilada up and start from scratch.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=budw38;647161]I never said we were 1-2 picks from a SB , nor did I say we're close to a SB . I just hope we bring in some F/A OL so we can keep our qb alive next year .... Allen can cut most of the " stars " on 1-4-2010 for all I care ... I do not lose sleep over the Skins or any other team .[/quote]

Sorry dude, misread you. Thought you were saying we were 1 or 2 yrs away from being a good team and that we might just need a couple of players.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=SBXVII;647172]Sorry dude, misread you. Thought you were saying we were 1 or 2 yrs away from being a good team and that we might just need a couple of players.[/quote]
I wish , anything is possible . I would like to see a solid foundation , hard core team first guys ... Monte Coleman , D. Grant , Dexter, C. Mann , Green and Monk ... oh and a " Hogs part 2 " .

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=53Fan;647168]Good point Bud. I would imagine we'll get some FA's in here. I just don't know if any really good ones will be available. Then again, it wouldn't take much to be better than what we have.[/quote]
As long as they drop that win today thinking ... build a solid / strong stable foundation 1st .

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

In my opinion, one of the tangibles that made Shannahan and the Broncos so good with Elway is the Broncos organization dedicated over 25% of thier TOTAL CAP to just the offensive line. This provded quality talent up front.

You could put your grandmother behind that line and she would get 1200 yards a season.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

sand, nice to have you back. where were you after the giants loss?

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=dmek25;647280]sand, nice to have you back. where were you after the giants loss?[/quote]
I was out of the country on business. I actually missed the Giants, Chargers and Saints game.

Made it back in time for Christmas with the family and to see the Cowboys-Redskins though.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

Upon further review, laying the smackdown on our running backs. We really really miss Clinton Portis. We've got a bunch of matadors in the backfield now. No one blocks like CP

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;647340]Upon further review, laying the smackdown on our running backs. We really really miss Clinton Portis. We've got a bunch of matadors in the backfield now. No one blocks like CP[/quote]

The problem is that it's the only thing he does well at this point. He lacks speed, vision, agility and durability to be an every down back in the NFL anymore. At least on a team that relies on a heavy dose of running the ball.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

The problem with Cartwright, Mason, and Ganther is that they're all the same guy.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Cowboys)
 

[quote=Mattyk;646876]You simply can't reach for a guy based on need, that's not a sound draft strategy. In no particular order I would like to see us grab a QB, RB, and OT with our first 3 picks.[/quote]

Can't argue with that! Reaching for any player/position is never good. Seems the're aren't any marquis LT prospects in the top of the draft (Okung isn't Ogden or even Samules when they came out). Hopefully our new GM can trade down slightly and get another pick in the first 2-3 rounds in the process. I would prefer to avoid Clausen (notre dame) and Bradford (can't take a hit).