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[quote=Longtimefan;647443]Yes....Given what any decent QB needs to be successful, he can be a winner. Give him a running game and pass protection, then be the judge.[/quote]

How can you give Campbell a free pass because of our Oline struggles but suggest we need a new RB who in turn runs behind that poor line?

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Sorry now I'm bashing JC and I know this thread was not meant for that.

Throw him out with the bath water. Lets bring in fresh water. Don't feel bad though he's not the only one I'd get rid of. I think at this point I'd keep all the young guys that gave been here for less then 4 years and cut the rest. I'd keep AH also obviously.

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[quote=SBXVII;647489]Pretty solid at over throwing the receiver or dirt balls. I got it. He's pretty solid at throwing the ball with all his strength no matter if its a 50 yrder or 5 yrder. and you forgot throwing behind his receivers. I think he has trouble inticipating where the WR will be and throwing to that point in order to hit them in stride. I guess that's the difference between good and great.... a QB that throws to where he's looking vs. throwing to where the receiver will be to catch the ball in stride.[/quote]

I really cringe when we throw slants, JC always has that delay. So even when the receiver is open that extra second not only lets the defender get closer but the whole defense has that second to close the gap.

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Best thread in a while....

I look at it this way. If you took JC and dropped him in NE what would they do? I think he's a 4000/30TD guy there. Certainly not as good as Brady but I think he'd succeed wildly. Is he ever going to be a dynamic play maker that turns turd players into gold like Manning or Brees? No. But he has the same physical skill set that Tom Brady does. He struggles mentally compared to Brady but he isn't a dolt. I do have suspicions about his read ability. Part of me wonders if he has so much football in his head that he is lost in a football jungle but I also see the guy get destroyed every other play, lay on the ground for a few seconds and then get up and take the next snap. If I am an offensive player that freaking inspires me. His on field example is just top-notch to me.

And Rave...you forget what Ramsey was like after a couple seasons. JC is 5 times the QB Ransey ever was. He had didn't have the head for it at all and then he got scared.

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[quote=WaldSkins;647494]How can you give Campbell a free pass because of our Oline struggles but suggest we need a new RB who in turn runs behind that poor line?[/quote]

I want to think they go hand in hand since the same line that blocks for the QB blocks for the running back. I have said before, because of all the breakdowns in this offense Campbell is difficult to evaluate.

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[quote=Mattyk;647322]Yes.

I think he's a guy you can win games with given good protection and a running game.

That said, whatever the decision is from the new regime, I'll live with it.[/quote]

exactly, although i would say he is a guy you can win games with but not a guy that will win you games

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So another question for the no-sayers, do you feel that Campbell has leveled off in his improvement as a QB? I've got to think that setting career highs in all categories in spite of the disaster surrounding him means there's more there to tap into.

If we'd have won the Dallas, Philly and New Orleans games, all of which we held 4th quarter leads that the defense blew, we'd be on the cusp of a .500 season. Would we still be having this discussion?

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[quote=Paintrain;647511]So another question for the no-sayers, do you feel that Campbell has leveled off in his improvement as a QB? I've got to think that setting career highs in all categories in spite of the disaster surrounding him means there's more there to tap into.

[B]If we'd have won the Dallas, Philly and New Orleans games, all of which we held 4th quarter leads that the defense blew, we'd be on the cusp of a .500 season. Would we still be having this discussion[/B]?[/quote]

i think this discussion would be going on regardless of us wining those games because he just seems to be so inaccurate, the only thing is there really isn't any better opition and he isn't that bad of a qb just not that good of one either

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[quote=Paintrain;647511]So another question for the no-sayers, do you feel that Campbell has leveled off in his improvement as a QB? I've got to think that setting career highs in all categories in spite of the disaster surrounding him means there's more there to tap into.

If we'd have won the Dallas, Philly and New Orleans games, all of which we held 4th quarter leads that the defense blew, we'd be on the cusp of a .500 season. Would we still be having this discussion?[/quote]

Maybe if he would of showed some improvement against the Bucs, Chiefs, Lions, and Panthers. I think after our poor start that plenty of fans jumped off the JC bandwagon.

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[quote=Paintrain;647511]So another question for the no-sayers, do you feel that Campbell has leveled off in his improvement as a QB? I've got to think that setting career highs in all categories in spite of the disaster surrounding him means there's more there to tap into.

If we'd have won the Dallas, Philly and New Orleans games, all of which we held 4th quarter leads that the defense blew, we'd be on the cusp of a .500 season. Would we still be having this discussion?[/quote]

Well let's not forget Campbell threw a costly interception at the end of regulation of the Saints game. He also threw one at the end of the Cowboys game (I think with around 2 minutes left).

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No!!

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[quote=FRPLG;647504]Best thread in a while....

I look at it this way. [B]If you took JC and dropped him in NE what would they do? I think he's a 4000/30TD guy there. Certainly not as good as Brady but I think he'd succeed wildly.[/B] Is he ever going to be a dynamic play maker that turns turd players into gold like Manning or Brees? No. But he has the same physical skill set that Tom Brady does. He struggles mentally compared to Brady but he isn't a dolt. I do have suspicions about his read ability. Part of me wonders if he has so much football in his head that he is lost in a football jungle but I also see the guy get destroyed every other play, lay on the ground for a few seconds and then get up and take the next snap. If I am an offensive player that freaking inspires me. His on field example is just top-notch to me.

And Rave...you forget what Ramsey was like after a couple seasons. JC is 5 times the QB Ransey ever was. He had didn't have the head for it at all and then he got scared.[/quote]

Agreed. I have a creeping fear that if we let JC go, in the future we are cursing it when he beats us while playing for someone else.

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[quote=Paintrain;647511]So another question for the no-sayers, do you feel that Campbell has leveled off in his improvement as a QB? I've got to think that setting career highs in all categories in spite of the disaster surrounding him means there's more there to tap into.

If we'd have won the Dallas, Philly and New Orleans games, all of which we held 4th quarter leads that the defense blew, we'd be on the cusp of a .500 season. Would we still be having this discussion?[/quote]
JC has definitely regressed in a year he should've been able to step up and show improvement. JC and the Skins need to part ways. JC is a class act and a warrior, but he will never be a successful NFL QB. He continues to make the same mistakes with his progressions, ball security, and appears lost in reading the defense. As SS mentioned he continues to make mistakes in situations when he is put in a position to have to make a play.

One of the very telling stats from MNF was that the Skins have thrown 77% of their passes within 10 yds of the LoS. This is not simply a protection issue, this is an issue of a QB who has difficulty making reads and accurate throws downfield. JC's issues are not the fault of the OL, when he has had time he still makes these mistakes.

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[quote=FRPLG;647504]I look at it this way. If you took JC and dropped him in NE what would they do? I think he's a 4000/30TD guy there. Certainly not as good as Brady but I think he'd succeed wildly.[/quote]
No way.

[quote]Is he ever going to be a dynamic play maker that turns turd players into gold like Manning or Brees? No. But he has the same physical skill set that Tom Brady does. [B]He struggles mentally compared to Brady but he isn't a dolt. I do have suspicions about his read ability.[/B] [/quote]There-in lies the problem. Brady makes checks and plays based on what he sees in the D. I see JC doing very little, if any of that. Hell, he can't even read CB blitzes.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;647552]No way.

There-in lies the problem. Brady makes checks and plays based on what he sees in the D. I see JC doing very little, if any of that. [B]Hell, he can't even read CB blitzes.[/B][/quote]

Well, that's not exactly fair. He has read CB blitzes before, despite his failure against the Cowboys.

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[quote=SmootSmack;647537]Well let's not forget Campbell threw a costly interception at the end of regulation of the Saints game. He also threw one at the end of the Cowboys game (I think with around 2 minutes left).[/quote]

Very true and threw an incompletion at the end of the Eagles game on 4th and 2. I was just curious if people are basing their feelings on frustration with our overall record this year, JC's performance, what they assess JC to be as a QB or projecting to what that position will look like next year without JC.

JC could have made this question moot throughout the year with consistent play at even a medium high level but playing like he did vs. Oakand and New Orleans and the way he played the last 2 games makes it a very legitimate question.

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I said no we need a change if jason stays then this new head coach will bring his own QB and in traing camp he will have to compete for the job

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;647552]No way.

There-in lies the problem. Brady makes checks and plays based on what he sees in the D. I see JC doing very little, if any of that. Hell, he can't even read CB blitzes.[/quote]

I disagree...Brady has been running that offense for years and has a good line and weapons. JC is going on the second year and they don't let him really make any audibles. It was Portis who said he hadn't heard an audible since he was in Denver.

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[quote=FRPLG;647561]I disagree...Brady has been running that offense for years and has a good line and weapons. JC is going on the second year and they don't let him really make any audibles. It was Portis who said he hadn't heard an audible since he was in Denver.[/quote]

I wonder what changed

Q: What is the trademark of this offense compared to the one you ran before?

A: The trademark of the offense is mismatches, actually. It is finding a way to get guys one-on-one. Before it was, “This is what we are going to do no matter what they do. They have to stop us.” And you know, fortunately for them, more than not, they had the opportunity to stop us. We didn’t have audibles before. Right now if we are in a bad play, we can get out of that play. [B]Jason has the opportunity to put up the audibles and change things around and get us points.[/B]So I think everybody is just excited

[url=http://was.scout.com/2/785523.html]Scout.com: Conference Call: Clinton Portis[/url]

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[quote=irish;647439]if jc played for another team and the skins were talking about bringing him here for 2010 99% of the people on this site would be screaming bloody murder.[/quote]

thank you!

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Here is JC at the line "Green 40, Green 40 Set" O shit down goes Campbell he didn't see that corner blitz to audible the play, or Campbell steps up and throws a rocket overthrown screen pass that gets a Pick 6!!! No thanks

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;647549]JC has definitely regressed in a year he should've been able to step up and show improvement. JC and the Skins need to part ways. JC is a class act and a warrior, but he will never be a successful NFL QB. He continues to make the same mistakes with his progressions, ball security, and appears lost in reading the defense. As SS mentioned he continues to make mistakes in situations when he is put in a position to have to make a play.

[B]One of the very telling stats from MNF was that the Skins have thrown 77% of their passes within 10 yds of the LoS. This is not simply a protection issue, this is an issue of a QB who has difficulty making reads and accurate throws downfield[/B]. JC's issues are not the fault of the OL, when he has had time he still makes these mistakes.[/quote]I disagree. It is mostly about lack of protection. As a result, the passing attack has been relegated to mostly 3-step drops, which will typically yield passes within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. Very, very few QBs would be successful taking the beating that Campbell has this year. The Saints made Tom Brady look pretty ordinary a few weeks back when they hit him a dozen+ times.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;647549][B]JC has definitely regressed in a year he should've been able to step up and show improvement. [/B]JC and the Skins need to part ways. JC is a class act and a warrior, but he will never be a successful NFL QB. He continues to make the same mistakes with his progressions, ball security, and appears lost in reading the defense. As SS mentioned he continues to make mistakes in situations when he is put in a position to have to make a play.

One of the very telling stats from MNF was that the Skins have thrown 77% of their passes within 10 yds of the LoS. This is not simply a protection issue, this is an issue of a QB who has difficulty making reads and accurate throws downfield. JC's issues are not the fault of the OL, when he has had time he still makes these mistakes.[/quote]

He's setting career highs pretty much across the board so he's definitely improved. The improvement may not have been drastic, but considering everything that's happened around him, any sort of improvement is noteworthy IMO.

As for the short throws, I wouldn't put that all on him. The offense was scaled back to include more 3 step drops, and quicker shorter throws once the OL went to shit.

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Said it before and might as well say it here too. No way. He's my number one guy to cut. He cannot decide quickly where to throw the ball unless he's already made up his mind previous to the snap. It is what it is.

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Plato once said "A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers"-soak your feet in that for a minute

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[quote=irish;647439]If JC played for another team and the Skins were talking about bringing him here for 2010 99% of the people on this site would be screaming bloody murder.[/quote]

I guess I'm in the mood to stir it up today but would you be screaming bloody murder if we were considering bringing in Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, David Garrard or Matt Ryan? Just asking cause they've been pretty much the same QB as JC this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;647582]Plato once said "A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers"-soak your feet in that for a minute[/quote]

78% of my brain disagrees with that.

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[quote=Lotus;647547]Agreed. I have a creeping fear that if we let JC go, in the future we are cursing it when he beats us while playing for someone else.[/quote]

You should know by now that all you have to do is blitz him. He's got lead feet and has a strong tendacy to fumble the ball!! That's the kind of quarterback that def just look for once in a while. Of course, our Def right now is a whole different topic.

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I'm also tired of hearing draft Bradford. If you watch college football at all did you not see what happened to him during the BYU game? Then playing Texas the same thing happened. His shoulder got reinjured. It takes one hit on that shoulder and its bye bye Bradford. And yes he had surgery on it but it still can be reinjured very easily just like many other injuries. Now with Jason getting absolutely killed this year with our awful O-line what will happen if Bradford stepped in? He'd be injured in no time. I like Bradford he is an excellent QB but the injured shoulder bugs me to death. I still say JC is back here next year I just don't see anyone better out there that will do a significantly better job.

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[quote=Paintrain;647583]I guess I'm in the mood to stir it up today but would you be screaming bloody murder if we were considering bringing in Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, David Garrard or Matt Ryan? Just asking cause they've been pretty much the same QB as JC this year.[/quote]

Flacco is way better than JC.. Jc has even more talent around him at the skill positions, except Ray Rice

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[quote=tdSKINS1;647586]I'm also tired of hearing draft Bradford. If you watch college football at all did you not see what happened to him during the BYU game? Then playing Texas the same thing happened. His shoulder got reinjured. It takes one hit on that shoulder and its bye bye Bradford. And yes he had surgery on it but it still can be reinjured very easily just like many other injuries. Now with Jason getting absolutely killed this year with our awful O-line what will happen if Bradford stepped in? He'd be injured in no time. I like Bradford he is an excellent QB but the injured shoulder bugs me to death. I still say JC is back here next year I just don't see anyone better out there that will do a significantly better job.[/quote]

I've been killing Campbell, however, you bring up a good point, who's out there to replace him? I shall study that. Just p'd me off to watch Collins come out an throw a nice completion down field on his first touch to Moss. I watch alot of football. I see other teams QBs throw completions after completions marching down the field and yell at my 52" Sony, "why can't my QB do that!!!!" Very frustrating, mind you, being a Skins fan in Giants territory.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;647586]I'm also tired of hearing draft Bradford. If you watch college football at all did you not see what happened to him during the BYU game? Then playing Texas the same thing happened. His shoulder got reinjured. It takes one hit on that shoulder and its bye bye Bradford. And yes he had surgery on it but it still can be reinjured very easily just like many other injuries. Now with Jason getting absolutely killed this year with our awful O-line what will happen if Bradford stepped in? He'd be injured in no time. I like Bradford he is an excellent QB but the injured shoulder bugs me to death. I still say JC is back here next year I just don't see anyone better out there that will do a significantly better job.[/quote]

Maybe you think so, but Bradford is legit. He would be our version of Tony Romo except an even Bigger arm. Just because he got hurt this year don't mean that he's injury prone.. A.D was hurt most of the time at OU and look at him now.. There is a reason why Sam didn't play at all this season and he is still projected as the Number 1 QB

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[quote=Paintrain;647583]I guess I'm in the mood to stir it up today but would you be screaming bloody murder if we were considering bringing in Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, David Garrard or Matt Ryan? Just asking cause they've been pretty much the same QB as JC this year.[/quote]

For whatever the reason we're always most critical of our own players espically when they don't perform to our expectations.

I would be in favor og moving foreward without Jason if I knew of someone that would be available to us that I would be convinced could do a better job. If we draft a youngster and start him we know what a process that's going to be. The pressure is still on to win now and I'm not so sure the fans here are ready for two or three more years of experimenting. They think there's enough talent on this team to win now if we can manage to field a formidable o-line that can pass block and get our RB's an average of 3.9 yds.

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[quote=Longtimefan;647591]For whatever the reason we're always most critical of our own players espically when they don't perform to our expectations.

I would be in favor og moving foreward without Jason if I knew of someone that would be available to us that I would be convinced could do a better job. If we draft a youngster and start him we know what a process that's going to be. The pressure is still on to win now and I'm not so sure the fans here are ready for two or three more years of experimenting. They think there's enough talent on this team to win now if we can manage to field a formidable o-line that can pass block and get our RB's an average of 3.9 yds.[/quote]

However, the D has mailed it in the last two games.

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I said no as well....I'm over him. He's certainly not terrible, but I don't think he'll ever be great...he still makes rookie mistakes, I'll take the rookie instead.

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[quote=Redskins247;647593]I said no as well....I'm over him. He's certainly not terrible, but I don't think he'll ever be great...he still makes rookie mistakes, I'll take the rookie instead.[/quote]

I'm not sure I'm prepaired for the breakin stage, however, Sanchez has made it interesting for the Jets.

Interesting link to look at: Some surprises to me do to hype.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders]NFL career passer rating leaders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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Since we're getting a new coach we're getting a new system. Time for a new QB. Campbell had his chance and has never lead us to a playoff. Time to go.

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When I think JC, I thing of Eli Manning- their numbers are very similar and they can both win if put in the right situations i.e. with good lines, and with good offensive playmakers around them.

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I'd like to see him return, because he's an easy guy to root for. And contrary to what some people who "watch the tape" will tell you, he doesn't actually struggle to read blitzes or anticipate throws. These are false statements, and let not others tell you otherwise.

With that said, it's hard to see his fortunes changing significantly while here. We could bring him back, but if we're going to get to the playoffs next year, it's going to be on the strength of the defense led by someone who isn't a clown, and with a heavy lean on a zone running game. Not the spread-shotgun system that Campbell needs to have to post top ten numbers.

It's hard to objectively say we'd lose a whole lot by moving on from Jason Campbell. The problem is that it opens up the quarterback position to bring in an interception machine that could actually prevent us from making the playoffs. Look at the Jets. With Campbell, or a Campbell equivalent on that team, they're likely the AFC East champs. Instead, they have a rookie who they hope can be the quarterback they need one day, but ultimately, it's a whole lot of hope, a lot of trust, and very little substance.

However, with prudence from the front office, this situation can be avoided.

I would trade Jason Campbell if the opportunity presented itself. But I'd still want him back. Regardless, I think he will be back, though not on a long term deal.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;647597]Since we're getting a new coach we're getting a new system. Time for a new QB. Campbell had his chance and has never lead us to a playoff. Time to go.[/quote]

Who would you suggest we replace him with?