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okung, clausen, suh in that order. i really think all 3 of these guys could be gone and i hope shanny/allen can work some magic and trade back for value if that is the case.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650270]While I think has the physical and mental skills to to eventually be a good NFL QB, i don't think he's NFL-ready right now. However, my main distaste for him is less tangible and has more to do with his personality - or atleast what i've seen of it. he has the persona of a cocky (not the same as [U]confident[/U]), smart-ass kid who thinks too much of himself. I heard his interview with vinny cerrato and he just seemed like a total douche - he didn't seem like someone who would earn the respect of the locker room. To me, he just doesnt have the "it" factor. [B][I]i don't see him as a "leader[/I][/B]." Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow do. they have the persona that commands respect. While there is a high-risk, high reward factor with all of those guys (less so with Tebow), [B][I]Bradford and McCoy are guys I can see being "manning/brady-esque" in their ability to make guys around them better, take the team on their shoulders, and win games[/I][/B]. A guy with Claussen's attitude will never achieve that. I'd rather not gamble on any of these guys in the 1st round, but Claussens completely off my "board."
[/quote]You may want to re-evaluate your thoughts on the QBs you mentioned. Clausen did step into a leadership role this year. ND would've been much worse if not for Clausen. McCoy (did you see the Big 12 Championship) and Tebow are system QBs that won't have NFL success. Bradford is debatable, but not too many OKL QBs have fared well in the NFL, again, system QBs.

If Clausen's there, I take him. If he's gone and Bradford's there, I trade down or go with the best LT.

From Todd McShay:

[B]3. Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame junior.[/B] Gets away with putting the ball up for grabs too often. However, he has enough size, accuracy and arm strength to develop into a solid starter in the NFL. [B]He has shown toughness and leadership this season, which were previously question marks on Clausen's scouting report.[/B] Experience in a pro-style offense and solid mechanics will only help him on draft weekend. Projects as a first-round selection.
[B]4. Colt McCoy, Texas senior.[/B] Love his toughness and leadership skills. He shows touch and timing as a short-to-intermediate passer. But [B]no quarterback in (Division I-A) has a lower percentage of his completions travel beyond 5 yards. That reeks of a system QB that might struggle to transition to the NFL.[/B] In addition, I have major concerns about his deep accuracy. He throws off-balance too much for my liking. I can live with drafting him as a developmental project in the second round, but first round is too rich for my blood.
[B]5. Tim Tebow, Florida senior.[/B] He's obviously a sensational competitor and the type of guy you want on your team. But where do you play [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/#"]Tim Tebow[/URL]? [B]I will be shocked if he's ever a fulltime starting QB.[/B] We've never seen him catch or block, so it's tough to draft him as an H-back in the first couple of rounds. Sure, the Wildcat package is a possibility, but he's not very fast or elusive, and that's only a part-time role. Tebow will probably be taken in round 1, but I would not draft him before round 3.

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You might want to re-thinking giving any creedence to anything Todd McShay says about... well, anything. The dudes clueless.

Clausen and leadership have no place in the same sentence. McCoy is arguably a system QB, but i'd take him over Clausen. Tebow's a good value pick later in the draft. Like i said earlier, i dont really like any of these guys. they're all projects and its a waste of a 1st round pick to draft a project QB. Hopefully Shanny can find a QB he likes in the 2nd or 4th.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650532]You might want to re-thinking giving any creedence to anything Todd McShay says about... well, anything. The dudes clueless.

Clausen and leadership have no place in the same sentence. McCoy is arguably a system QB, but i'd take him over Clausen. Tebow's a good value pick later in the draft. Like i said earlier, i dont really like any of these guys. they're all projects and its a waste of a 1st round pick to draft a project QB. Hopefully Shanny can find a QB he likes in the 2nd or 4th.[/quote]No, you're right. McShay doesn't know anything. Neither does Mel Kiper who has Clausen rated #4 (Bradford #5) overall. Neither does any of the folks who put together the 177 Mock Drafts on the Walter Football site, which a majority list Clausen in the top 5 picks, many have him # 1.

But that being said, outside of Clausen, I don't like any of the other QBs in this draft in the 1st round. If Clausen is gone, then hopefully we get our coveted franchise LT or are able to get a sweetheart deal to trade down.

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Two teams to look at that might decide to trade up for a QB, they both have 2 1st round picks this year Seattle & San Fran both uncertain at QB. We could trade back & gain another draft pick possibly another 2nd round pick.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;650542]No, you're right. McShay doesn't know anything. Neither does Mel Kiper who has Clausen rated #4 (Bradford #5) overall. Neither does any of the folks who put together the 177 Mock Drafts on the Walter Football site, which a majority list Clausen in the top 5 picks, many have him # 1.

But that being said, outside of Clausen, I don't like any of the other QBs in this draft in the 1st round. If Clausen is gone, then hopefully we get our coveted franchise LT or are able to get a sweetheart deal to trade down.[/quote]

Why don't you like Bradford as a first round pick?

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;650546]Two teams to look at that might decide to trade up for a QB, they both have 2 1st round picks this year Seattle & San Fran both uncertain at QB. We could trade back & gain another draft pick possibly another 2nd round pick.[/quote]

Alex Smith was already named the starting QB for 2010 in San Fran

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650153]I'm not overly impressed with any of the QBs in this year's draft; however we do need to draft a QB in 2010 or 2011. 2011 could be even "slimmer pickings" than what we have this year, so we might not have much of a choice. There aren't many top tier OTs in this draft either, so taking a QB may wind up being the "smartest" move. I don't like Clausen at all. We'd be better off taking Tebow at #4. I'm indifferent to McCoy. I could live with Bradford. Not really familiar with Pike and Snead.

Drafting Okung with our 1st and then snagging Tebow with our 2nd would be nice. I don't think Tebow will be a great NFL QB, but Shanahan could use him more effectively than most other coaches. ideally, shanahan could work his magic Colt Brennan turn him into a player. I'm not a cult-of-colt member but he's "free."[/quote]

bradford- had all day to throw in college, coming off huge shoulder injury, im very wary about him.

clausen- most starting experience in a pro-style offense, started from day one with a pretty bad nd team his first 2 years. i like his potential.

tebow- hell of a leader, really long throwing motion, but i really do think he can be a good pro qb, just not at #4

pike- played in a very qb friendly syetem, look at what collaros did when pike was out. im wary about his true ability, i would not be pleased with drafting him.

snead- i dont get why everyone has/had a hard on for him. he was ok last year, and was average to crap this year.

mccoy- i dont like how he projects to the nfl. maybe worth a shot in the 3rd round but i wouldnt take him any higher than that. good leadership and intangibles.

if you want a sleeper qb maybe later in the draft here are my picks

max hall, byu- very accurate, pro-style system at byu. smart qb, just lacks in arm strength. maybe grab him late.

thad lewis, duke- has been one of the top acc qbs for quite a while. played with a pretty bad supporting cast all these years yet put up good numbers. late round sleeper.

riley skinner, wake forest- 4 year starter, extremely accurate, played with a questionable supporting cast. has some mobility as well. not typical pro-size which hurts him.

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[quote=Lotus;650548]Why don't you like Bradford as a first round pick?[/quote]

General NFL rule #432 - Avoid college spread QB's who worked primarily out of the shotgun like the plague.

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[quote=Lotus;650548]Why don't you like Bradford as a first round pick?[/quote]Big C and wilso make good points. Oklahoma QB's have put up big numbers and not translated into the pros (Josh Heupel, Jason White). Bradford didn't play particluarly well in the BCS Championship last year. He also doesn't play under center. At #4, his bust risk is too high IMO.

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Troy Aikman had a good pro career...for the purposes of my argument I'm counting him as a Sooner QB even though he transferred to UCLA

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;650564]Big C and wilso make good points. Oklahoma QB's have put up big numbers and not translated into the pros (Josh Heupel, Jason White). Bradford didn't play particluarly well in the BCS Championship last year. He also doesn't play under center. At #4, his bust risk is too high IMO.[/quote]

Fair enough to all of you guys. I am wary of his lack of time under center as well. I was just wondering.

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[quote=SmootSmack;650575]Troy Aikman had a good pro career...for the purposes of my argument I'm counting him as a Sooner QB even though he transferred to UCLA[/quote]LOL, pre-Stoops doesn't count. I miss the wishbone, it was fun to run.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;650587]LOL, pre-Stoops doesn't count. I miss the wishbone, it was fun to run.[/quote]

Only if you were a RB or an offensive lineman. Most QB's and WR's hated it. I know I did.

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[quote=WaldSkins;650552]Alex Smith was already named the starting QB for 2010 in San Fran[/quote]

I thought it wasn't set in stone yet

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[quote=Angry;650588]Only if you were a RB or an offensive lineman. Most QB's and WR's hated it. I know I did.[/quote]I played QB, I liked it. But we didn't run it exclusively, I think running it full time would've gotten old.

BTW, that was a nice thread you started early Sun. AM :silly:

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;650668]I played QB, I liked it. But we didn't run it exclusively, I think running it full time would've gotten old.

BTW, that was a nice thread you started early Sun. AM :silly:[/quote]


Hardy Har Har. Thanks!

I ran the wishbone once and hated every minute of it. Most of the teams that I played on afer that ran a version of the I and evolving variations of it. The I was our base formation in high school, but like the NFL we could come out with up to 5 WR sets. I miss the memories of my playing days, but in no way would I want to strap it on now.

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[quote=Angry;650679]I miss the memories of my playing days, but in no way would I want to strap it on now.[/quote]I'm with you. When you're still sore on a Thursday from a Sunday game, it's time to hang 'em up and pick up the whiteboard. Getting old sucks.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;650702]I'm with you. When you're still sore on a Thursday from a Sunday game, it's time to hang 'em up and pick up the whiteboard. Getting old sucks.[/quote]

I never played on Sundays I broke into Saturdays a couple of times but that was it.

It hurts me just thinking about it. Sean Taylor said it best "Playing a kids game for a kings ransom". I played the game but never got the ransome.

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So I've been following McShay, and he thinks now that Anthony Davis, the Tackle from Rutgers is better or could pass Russell Okung come draft time, so skins fans who want okung and think we don't have a shot at getting him, theres still a good chance we could get him or this Davis kid, who they say can play guard if needed. Also Bryan Bulauga from Iowa, they say is not a LT in the nfl, and he's more of a guard or RT, so I think we could probably scratch him off our list.

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[quote=Angry;650716]I never played on Sundays I broke into Saturdays a couple of times but that was it.

It hurts me just thinking about it. Sean Taylor said it best "Playing a kids game for a kings ransom". I played the game but never got the ransome.[/quote]I didn't get to play on those Sundays either. I would've paid the ransom just to be able to play on real Sundays.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;650532]You might want to re-thinking giving any creedence to anything Todd McShay says about... well, anything. The dudes clueless.

Clausen and leadership have no place in the same sentence. McCoy is arguably a system QB, but i'd take him over Clausen. Tebow's a good value pick later in the draft. Like i said earlier, i dont really like any of these guys. they're all projects and its a waste of a 1st round pick to draft a project QB. Hopefully Shanny can find a QB he likes in the 2nd or 4th.[/quote]

I still think Tebow can play in the NFL but he's a two or three year plan, and this team is aging. We need a quarterback who can start week 1 and Clausen seems to be the best option from the draft who can do that.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;650772]So I've been following McShay, and he thinks now that Anthony Davis, the Tackle from Rutgers is better or could pass Russell Okung come draft time, so skins fans who want okung and think we don't have a shot at getting him, theres still a good chance we could get him or this Davis kid, who they say can play guard if needed. Also Bryan Bulauga from Iowa, they say is not a LT in the nfl, and he's more of a guard or RT, so I think we could probably scratch him off our list.[/quote]

I wouldn't be unhappy at all with getting Davis on this team. But I think I would choose Okung first. Either one would be a vast improvement over what we have.

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There's this guard from Idaho that's top ranked.. You should see this monster. I'd even draft this guy in the second round he's so nasty. Iupati I think is the name...

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A trade back scenario that will probably never happen:
Trade with Patriots,
Redkins give up our 1st this year, plus Santana Moss and/or Carlos Rogers.
Pats give up their 1st this year, AND the 2011 1st that they got from the RAIDERS in for R. Seymore.
Surely it would take more picks to smooth it out, but
The goal would be to come away with two quality lineman this year, then next year be in a position to draft Jake Locker, (the next Elway), plus an elite Left Tackle next year, via our own 2011 1st that will probably be pretty high. The Pats could get Gerald McCoy this year with our pick to replace Seymore, and have Santana replace the injured, and possibly done, Wes Welker.
We have to trust that the Raiders will suck next year, a longshot, but we could have, two top five picks next year.
It's going to take a while to rebuild this team, let's face it.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;651253]There's this guard from Idaho that's top ranked.. You should see this monster. I'd even draft this guy in the second round he's so nasty. Iupati I think is the name...[/quote]

Mike Iupati. He is a dude to build an o line around. He was taking on multiple lineman and LB's on nearly every play in their bowl game. He might be gone by the time we pick in the 2nd.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;651253]There's this guard from Idaho that's top ranked.. You should see this monster. I'd even draft this guy in the second round he's so nasty. Iupati I think is the name...[/quote]

Okung then the Idaho dude.

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I think Iupati could be the Michael Oher of next year. I Love this guy, the problem is theres no reason for us to take him with the 4th overall pick, which will probably be a QB or OT. Plus in Free Agency is Guards Chester Pitts and Cris Kuper from Houston and Denver, so they already know the offense. And with our second rounder, we'll probably get whatever position we don't get with our first round pick. I personally think we should get Bradford, because all I keep hearing is how he is "super accurate" "good at getting rid of the ball and releasing it quickly" how he can "make all the NFL throws" and is "accuate when he is on the run as well". When I look at a QB the number one thing I'm looking at is is he accurate? Can he get the balls to his receivers? Thats this guy. This guy doesn't come out every year. Russell Okung and Anthony Davis type LT's come out pretty much every year. Plus you look at some of the LT's in the NFL and a lot of them are found pretty much from all the rounds of the draft. QB's that are good are typically in the first round. We've had Jason for 5 years and of the 4 he's played he really hasn't shown me he can be the QB that could take us to the Super Bowl. He's showed me that he can be a back up and fill in if the starting QB gets injured, but thats it. I have more bad memories and moments of Jason than positive moments of him (the time against the Giants he threw and interception 5yds passed the line of scrimmage really sticks out, as well as the games against Dallas, Pittsburgh, Giants where he held onto the ball way way too long, where he should have thrown it away. Pretty much every game which he throws a pass that ends up being a yard short of the first down, instead of going deep.Against the Saints when he was picked off against Vilma and Giants when he stepped way to far back in the pocket and Osi stripped him and ran the fumble in for a score. The only positive moment I have of Jason is when he threw that bomb against the saints a year ago to win, then again that seems to be the only highlight of jason that espn and nfln seem to show when they talk about him)

So I say we draft Sam Bradford and make him the opening day starter, and deal with the OL in FA and what ever we don't get there, get in the draft, which we will. Who knows maybe Bruce campbell of Maryland falls to us in the second round or Bryan Bulaga of Iowa or Jason Fox (he should definitley be there) or a Ciron Black or maybe who knows a Trent Williams could fall just enough for us to trade up

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;651253]There's this guard from Idaho that's top ranked.. [B]You should see this monster[/B]. I'd even draft this guy in the second round [B]he's so nasty.[/B] Iupati I think is the name...[/quote]

I have and I agree. He's one bad dude. Hog material. :)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;651677]I think Iupati could be the Michael Oher of next year. I Love this guy, the problem is theres no reason for us to take him with the 4th overall pick, which will probably be a QB or OT. Plus in Free Agency is Guards Chester Pitts and Cris Kuper from Houston and Denver, so they already know the offense. And with our second rounder, we'll probably get whatever position we don't get with our first round pick. I personally think we should get Bradford, because all I keep hearing is how he is "super accurate" "good at getting rid of the ball and releasing it quickly" how he can "make all the NFL throws" and is "accuate when he is on the run as well". When I look at a QB the number one thing I'm looking at is is he accurate? Can he get the balls to his receivers? Thats this guy. This guy doesn't come out every year. Russell Okung and Anthony Davis type LT's come out pretty much every year. Plus you look at some of the LT's in the NFL and a lot of them are found pretty much from all the rounds of the draft. QB's that are good are typically in the first round. We've had Jason for 5 years and of the 4 he's played he really hasn't shown me he can be the QB that could take us to the Super Bowl. He's showed me that he can be a back up and fill in if the starting QB gets injured, but thats it. I have more bad memories and moments of Jason than positive moments of him (the time against the Giants he threw and interception 5yds passed the line of scrimmage really sticks out, as well as the games against Dallas, Pittsburgh, Giants where he held onto the ball way way too long, where he should have thrown it away. Pretty much every game which he throws a pass that ends up being a yard short of the first down, instead of going deep.Against the Saints when he was picked off against Vilma and Giants when he stepped way to far back in the pocket and Osi stripped him and ran the fumble in for a score. The only positive moment I have of Jason is when he threw that bomb against the saints a year ago to win, then again that seems to be the only highlight of jason that espn and nfln seem to show when they talk about him)

So I say we draft Sam Bradford and make him the opening day starter, and deal with the OL in FA and what ever we don't get there, get in the draft, which we will. Who knows maybe Bruce campbell of Maryland falls to us in the second round or Bryan Bulaga of Iowa or Jason Fox (he should definitley be there) or a Ciron Black or maybe who knows a Trent Williams could fall just enough for us to trade up[/quote]

I hate this attitude towards the offensive line. If you look around the league, a lot very good tackles in the league came from the first or second round (Jake Long, Levi Brown, Ryan Clady, Jeff Otah, D'Brickashaw Ferguson). With as much problems this team has had with that unit, I don't understand how someone could "hope for x or y player to fall to us" in order to build the line. I would hope that Shanahan, who drafted Clady (I believe), would find a way to draft a lineman in the first round. People forget that the reason Miami and the Jets have had reasonable success with young QBs, is because of the offensive lines they've built with first round tackles.

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Iupati will be LONG gone by the 2nd round guys...read up on your mock drafts before posting...

a good one can be found at
[url=http://www.walterfootball.com]WalterFootball.com[/url]

not my site but I frequent it daily. I think we should try to target a guy like that freak from Texas Tech with the face paint...can you say LATTIMER from the program.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING...LEADING ME ONNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;651295]A trade back scenario that will probably never happen:
Trade with Patriots,
Redkins give up our 1st this year, plus Santana Moss and/or Carlos Rogers.
Pats give up their 1st this year, AND the 2011 1st that they got from the RAIDERS in for R. Seymore.
Surely it would take more picks to smooth it out, but
The goal would be to come away with two quality lineman this year, then next year be in a position to draft Jake Locker, (the next Elway), plus an elite Left Tackle next year, via our own 2011 1st that will probably be pretty high. The Pats could get Gerald McCoy this year with our pick to replace Seymore, and have Santana replace the injured, and possibly done, Wes Welker.
We have to trust that the Raiders will suck next year, a longshot, but we could have, two top five picks next year.
It's going to take a while to rebuild this team, let's face it.[/quote]



anything that would help us get locker next year if Campbell isn't working out work be fantastic. i hope campbell works out. i hate most of the top rated qb's coming out this year, setting up next years draft for the better is a change of pace for us and i like it.

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Okung please!

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[quote=GMScud;650334]I don't think Snead should leave school early. He had huge expectations on him this year, and he was pretty much a dud. He could improve his draft stock significantly if he sticks around Ole Miss for his senior year, plus he won't have the likes of Bradford, McCoy, Clausen, and Tebow to compete with. I mean this season his completion % was in the low 50's and he threw 20 INTs. I want no part of that dude.[/quote]

Snead's entering the draft

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[quote=SmootSmack;651958]Snead's entering the draft[/quote]

I wonder what he was told about his expected draft position. Seems like a mistake to my non-expert eyes.

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ESPN had a good tidbit, with the fear of a lockout in 2011, even its highly unlikely, alot of college kids are having to factor that in to the decision whether to declare or not.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;651983]ESPN had a good tidbit, with the fear of a lockout in 2011, even its highly unlikely, alot of college kids are having to factor that in to the decision whether to declare or not.[/quote]

And if there isn't a lockout and an agreement is um agreed upon...there could be a rookie cap starting with the 2011 draft which is probably what the college players are more concerned about

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^ Then I guess that this is the year to be especially wary of underclassmen in the draft, as a higher percentage of them may be motivated more by money than by readiness.

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Give me either

Okung (Oklahoma State)
Ingram (Alabama)
A. Davis (Rutgers)
Jahvid Best (California)

I would go in this order assuming Berry, and Suh are gone. I would definitely [B]NOT[/B] pick a QB! We have Brennan, who respectfully deserves a shot. We all know J. Campbell can play, as a matter of fact he is a stud. With the crappiest offensive line we have he set career numbers and if it wasn't for the lack of protection he wouldn't have as many INT's. (see 2008 season as far as ball security goes, give him protection and he will secure the ball) Now I would likely take Okung and maybe find some other O linemen in free agency. Second round we could find a steal at running back. Ingram should be gone but if not then we take him or Best and if he is gone gotta go with Stafon Johnson! He is a hell of a back, trust me I have seen him play every game! As far as QB's go if there is a question regarding J. Campbell or Brennan then 2011 draft we take Locker no doubt about it. We should sign Campbell to a three years extension and that should give Locker a 2 year sitting window to learn the system and to take us to far better places!

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[quote=mlopez0529;652017]Give me either

Okung (Oklahoma State)
Ingram (Alabama)
A. Davis (Rutgers)
Jahvid Best (California)

I would go in this order assuming Berry, and Suh are gone. I would definitely [B]NOT[/B] pick a QB! We have Brennan, who respectfully deserves a shot. We all know J. Campbell can play, as a matter of fact he is a stud. With the crappiest offensive line we have he set career numbers and if it wasn't for the lack of protection he wouldn't have as many INT's. (see 2008 season as far as ball security goes, give him protection and he will secure the ball) Now I would likely take Okung and maybe find some other O linemen in free agency. Second round we could find a steal at running back. Ingram should be gone but if not then we take him or Best and if he is gone gotta go with Stafon Johnson! He is a hell of a back, trust me I have seen him play every game! As far as QB's go if there is a question regarding J. Campbell or Brennan then 2011 draft we take Locker no doubt about it. We should sign Campbell to a three years extension and that should give Locker a 2 year sitting window to learn the system and to take us to far better places![/quote]

Correct me If im wrong but Mark Ingram is a true Sophomore and thus can't be in the draft. I'd be wary of Stefan Johnson, has he even come back from that lifting accident? If not I'd sort of like to see him play again. And I don't know how you can call Campbell a stud.I'm not gonna hate on him I think he's a good QB and a high quality backup if not a starter in this league. He can lead a team and he can be the QB, but I don't think he's a game changer and I would never trust him to win a game for me. With the exception of the game against the saints in 2008 I can't remember him leading us to a comeback win the 4th quarter, and I have more memories of him throwing ints during crucial drives. Now maybe a good O line fixes that but I don't think so.

As far as running backs in the second round I like Ryan Matthews from Fresno state. He led the league in rushing and if he's there i think he'd be a good pick; however, I'm gonna keep going with my man crush on Noel devine. He hasn't said if he's coming out yet but I think the guy's gonna be a beast and a game changer. Not to mention he might make watching the Redskins fun...