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I didnt hear the interview so I cant quite understand how Portis meant it,seeing it in print isnt the same as hearing it.While i'm glad Jason took up for himself,I wish he would have shown that fire on the field,he always had the same demeanor no matter what was happening.Thats one thing Portis says I have to agree with
"Portis was asked why he isn't a team captain, and Portis took that ball and ran with it, ultimately laying a few shots on Campbell, the man whom teammates elected offensive captain before the season. So, why Campbell and not Portis?

"I wonder the same thing," Portis said. "And no disrespect to Jason, but everybody in that locker room can tell you, you'll never see Jason mad, you'll never see Jason's tempo change, you'll never see Jason get mad."

and I would add I dont know if Ive ever seen him smile,maybe he just never had anything to smile about.Say what you will about Romo,but i love the way he shows enthusiasm for the game,same thing with Favre,you never see that with JC

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[quote=53Fan;650839]One of the curse's that can affect very talented people, is the thought that they don't have to put forth as much effort as others. The problem is, without effort, they never reach their[B] true potential[/B].[/quote]
This comes through on many fronts; allow me to pick one Cooley one second.

Cooley once mentioned that he thought that diet wasn't that big of a deal, he was still able to perform well in college after having burger eating competitions with teammates or something like that.

I believe at another point Cooley mentioned having a lot of spinach before a game and mentioned how clear he was and how clean/energetic he felt.

Something rarely mentioned in the league can have a great impact... it's not that I'm saying players should have salads before their meals, but paying attention to what's important and doing things as you should is the difference between I'm still a badass and I'm THE badass.

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[quote=Son Of Man;650802]Funny how some you guys are blasting CP for sying the same things some of you have been posting about JC this whole season!!! Portis is a bit of an ass and his best days are probably behind him...but, he does own the franchise single season record (and if retained will have the career record), carried us on his back to the playoffs in 2005, changed his body to fit the Gibbs system (BTW- Gibbs absolutely loved CP...not so high on JC...wonder why), and may end up in the Hall. While JC is only known for being a mediocre to average QB at best. Say what you want about CP, he says what he thinks. Not like the "leader" JC who never speaks like a leader or performs like one. Taking a whipping doesn't make you a winner...it just means you can take punishment. Answer me this.....If JC is such a "leader" and the QB to lead us to the next level. Name any single game where he took the team on his back and lead them to victory. Can you? Come on...just one? And do not say the Saints game last year( one play does not a game make).[/quote]
I agree with you about Campbell, we all know he's avg at best but portis should show up with his teamates and stop talkin so much shit, he's making himslf look like an idiot

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On one hand, I think Portis is on to something. He's not crazy and I don't think he's making anything up. On the other hand: what an [I]asshole[/I] to say those things publicly!

I always suspected Jason Campbell wasn't very strong when it came to leadership, and both the content of Portis' trash-talking and Portis' staggering display of disrespect by airing those concerns publicly shows that Campbell doesn't have the respect of ALL his teammates. So, in a way, I agree with what Portis said. I see so many parallels between Jason Campbell and Chris Leak at the University of Florida before Urban Meyer showed up and encouraged Leak to be a more vocal, demanding leader of his teammates (encouragement that ultimately lead to a national championship).

But, just like Chris Leak, Jason Campbell CAN become a more vocal and demanding leader, and I still believe he has more physical ability than any Redskins QB that I can remember (I'm 28, so even memories of Doug Williams are a little hazy). I originally wanted Portis to stay aboard because I thought he could contribute to the offense. However, this total disrespect and lack of tact is locker room poison and he's gotta go (even if I do think he's somewhat right about Campbell).

Unfortunately, the contract scenarios for Campbell make it much easier to offload Campbell (especially given Portis' alleged close relationship with Snyder and his previous work under Shanahan). These recent comments pretty much ensure that they can't be on the same team next year.

If Campbell is released and Portis is retained, I wonder how locker room chemistry would be affected, especially if the new QB struggles behind an improved O-line and people continue to doubt Portis' effort. However, because Campbell strikes me as a quieter, keep-to-himself kind of guy, the other players may not necessarily feel any deep sense of loyalty to him, and as long as Portis produces next season and the new QB does a decent job, all of Portis' past missteps may be forgiven by the rest of the team.

Maybe.

But after all he's said PUBLICLY about his relationship with Snyder and Campbell's leadership abilities, it just seems massively unfair that he should stay and Campbell should go.

Campbell has been an average QB in a dismal offense, so I'd like to see what he can do when he is protected and has a few more legit options besides Cooley and Moss. Campbell has picked himself off the dirt more times than anybody should, and he's always been a class act and I'd classify him as "Prototypical Gibbsian Redskins Material." The last piece of the puzzle is to demonstrate to his teammates a desire that surpasses playing well and not making mistakes (as evidenced by his holding the ball too long). He needs to show that he wants to win, and will hold others accountable for when they impede victory in any way. Campbell needs to socialize with teammates (not sure how much of this he does) and take charge on and off the field.

Dammit. This is all such a shame, because Portis was an excellent blocker in the backfield, and put his body on the line multiple times to give JC a few extra seconds. His presence was definitely missed in that respect this season. The whole thing makes me sick. Welcome to Washington, Mr. Shanahan. You gotta sort this locker room out . . . yesterday!

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Cut Portis? Are you guys f'ing kidding me? It's not too difficult to refrain from saying retarded things yourselves folks, give it a try.

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[quote=tryfuhl;650853]This comes through on many fronts; allow me to pick one Cooley one second.

Cooley once mentioned that he thought that diet wasn't that big of a deal, he was still able to perform well in college after having burger eating competitions with teammates or something like that.

I believe at another point Cooley mentioned having a lot of spinach before a game and mentioned how clear he was and how clean/energetic he felt.

Something rarely mentioned in the league can have a great impact... it's not that I'm saying players should have salads before their meals, but paying attention to what's important and doing things as you should is the difference between I'm still a badass and I'm THE badass.[/quote]

Good point tryful. I mean some of us can get away with things others can't, but when you look at guys like Jerry Rice or Art monk who had plenty of talent but still took care of themselves, you see how far you can go. I think Portis had the talent to be one of the greatest of all time. I don't think his effort matched his talent.

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Redskins Insider is now reporting that Portis has called Campbell to "clear the air" about his comments earlier in the day:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Jason Reid[/url]

Looks like a few players backed Campbell on this one! Hopefully Campbell gets the message that being a leader is more than being tough and having good character. It's about setting goals and seeing that those goals are accomplished. Portis was a complete ass to mouth off in public, but maybe this can be a "teaching moment" for both guys.

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[quote=saden1;650859]Cut Portis? Are you guys f'ing kidding me? It's not too difficult to refrain from saying retarded things yourselves folks, give it a try.[/quote]

Why keep him? Locker room cancer, me-first mouth and ego, no salary cap in 2010, he's beat to shit, and always makes waves...

If there is no new CBA by March, Portis will be one of the first to go IMO.

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Vinny? Gone.
Zorn? Gone.

Portis? Next.

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[quote=GMScud;650872]Why keep him? Locker room cancer, me-first mouth and ego, no salary cap in 2010, he's beat to shit, and always makes waves...

If there is no new CBA by March, Portis will be one of the first to go IMO.[/quote]

Trading him is one thing but cutting him outright is totally irrational and unacceptable. Portis still has it. He's 28 going on 29, not exactly spring chicken, but he certainly has a few more years left and better than anyone else we have on the roster IMO.

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[quote=saden1;650883]Trading him is one thing but cutting him outright is totally irrational and unacceptable. Portis still has it. He's 28 going on 29, not exactly spring chicken, but he certainly has a few more years left and better than anyone else we have on the roster IMO.[/quote]

Trading is obviously better than cutting. But who will trade for Portis' fat contract? Likely the only practical way to get rid of Portis is to cut him.

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Wow. JC just earned mad respect from me. Keep the dude on principle alone. Seriously, later for CP.

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[quote=saden1;650883]Trading him is one thing but cutting him outright is totally irrational and unacceptable. Portis still has it. He's 28 going on 29, not exactly spring chicken, but he certainly has a few more years left and better than anyone else we have on the roster IMO.[/quote]

Well, getting something for him (trading) is certainly better than nothing (cutting), but like Lotus said, who will want to trade for him? For who he is right now as a player, his contract is laughable. Cap or not, no team is going to want to give up picks/players to take on that contract and locker room BS aging cancer.

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[quote=GMScud;650893]Well, getting something for him (trading) is certainly better than nothing (cutting), but like Lotus said, who will want to trade for him? For who he is right now as a player, his contract is laughable. Cap or not, no team is going to want to give up picks/players to take on that contract and locker room BS for a beat up aging cancer.[/quote]


I promise you, no one's trading for CP anymore than they lined up to trade for Larry Johnson.

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I think JC could take Portis. I have more respect for JC now. There was a time when I said he was done. You know what, he isn't done. Portis is done. I don't think Shanny will tolerate a dirtbag prima dona like Portis on the roster. Unload his ass on Jacksonville or whoever will take his whack ass.

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How the mighty have fallen.

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[quote=SkinEmAll;650598]WOW! I cant believe JC fired off like that, hey maybe its a good thing, you know JC gettin a little fire under his ass. This isnt helping CP at all, its gonna get very very interesting.[/quote]

The problem with people being surprised by JC's response is that in our current culture we mistake "meekness for weakness". Don't be fooled and think this all of a sudden rose up in JC. It was there all the time, but finally the right buttons were pushed.

Meekness is not equated to weakness. Meekness is no more than power under control.

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[quote=dgw090767;650900]The problem with people being surprised by JC's response is that in our current culture we mistake "meekness for weakness". Don't be fooled and think this all of a sudden rose up in JC. It was there all the time, but finally the right buttons were pushed.

Meakness is not equated to weakness. Meakness is no more than power under control.[/quote]

Good post.

I would add that JC likely kept it under his hat so as to not be an in-season distraction. This week the gloves can come off.

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I think CP will still be a Skin. With Shanny at the helm he should be part of an explosive backfield next year with a Rookie... and probally Ganther.

Shanny will keep Portis in line. I dont think CP will be cut people...

I was thinkin keep Campbell but..
Who knows... maybe theyll both just stay and fix the issues here.

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regardless of all the other bull crap, Portis is still the best running back on the roster. unless the skins come up with a better alternative, he is here next season

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Portis is an old, washed up, dime a dozen runningback. Besides that, he is a low down, dirty, spineless piece of absolute shit. I am glad he had a season ending injury and I am only dissappoitned that it didn't cost him his career.

He doesnt deserve to be on this team. This team is made up of guys who care about each other. Portis was a locker room cancer long before he started breaking down physically. I blame Coach Joe for letting him get away with too much, but this is the final straw.

Get his worthless ass on a plane out of here. This guy is seriously too stupid for his own good. He had his prime like 6 years ago. I hate him and i want him gone.

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Fuck Portis, what a bitch ass. I'm not a big JC fan, but good for him finally standing up for himself! HAIL SKINS!

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[quote=dgw090767;650900]The problem with people being surprised by JC's response is that in our current culture we mistake "meekness for weakness". Don't be fooled and think this all of a sudden rose up in JC. It was there all the time, but finally the right buttons were pushed.

Meekness is not equated to weakness. Meekness is no more than power under control.[/quote]

Absolutely agree. I've always thought that about Campbell...

Re: Jason Campbells response to Portis
 

F Portis. We want Champ back now.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;650814]Right...because me and CP are the same person. Never mind that I am on a message board that factors less than a hundredth of a percent in the team's psyche compared to one of the highest paid players on the team.

Lesson - there is a time and a place to bitch, this board is that place, to the media is not...[B]grow up[/B][/quote]

I run my own company Nephew...I'm grown enough! (Pockets straight my man)

BTW- I was not inferring that CP's comments to the media were professional or acceptable PR. What I was addressing is the blatant hypocrisy of some posters on this site. CP's comments (although aired in an inappropriate manner) were also blown out of proportion and taken out of context. He also is not the first person to question Campbell's leadership skills (side bar- I listen to the John Thompson show every week and hear CP supporting JC and his other teammates). Posters here bast JC (I am not particularly fond of him) then he has a couple of solid games and now he's our future and F--- CP (who has given ALOT to this team over his career). PR is one thing....the truth is another.

Alao, It appears that CP has reached out to JC to fix this issue...yeah, He's such an A--hole.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;650914]Portis is an old, washed up, dime a dozen runningback. Besides that, [B]he is a low down, dirty, spineless piece of absolute shit. I am glad he had a season ending injury and I am only dissappoitned that it didn't cost him his career.[/B]

He doesnt deserve to be on this team. This team is made up of guys who care about each other. Portis was a locker room cancer long before he started breaking down physically. I blame Coach Joe for letting him get away with too much, but this is the final straw.

Get his worthless ass on a plane out of here. This guy is seriously too stupid for his own good. He had his prime like 6 years ago. I hate him and i want him gone.[/quote]
WTF? dude, you have some issues

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[quote=CHAMP757;650828]would you please put your portis [COLOR="Red"]pom-poms[/COLOR] down!!, [B]attitude reflects leadership[/B], JC may or may not be a QB that can win a game by himself, last time i checked there were only 2 or 3 qb's in the league that could, but CP lacks that thing called humility, and that will be his demise.[/quote]

Insults add no validity to your arguement. Your response shows how illogically you view the situation.

Leadership is defined by getting results. Leading by example means showing up and getting the job done, not doing a sub-par job with a positive outlook.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;650914]Portis is an old, washed up, dime a dozen runningback. Besides that, he is a low down, dirty, spineless piece of absolute shit. I am glad he had a season ending injury and I am only dissappoitned that it didn't cost him his career.

He doesnt deserve to be on this team. This team is made up of guys who care about each other. Portis was a locker room cancer long before he started breaking down physically. I blame Coach Joe for letting him get away with too much, but this is the final straw.

Get his worthless ass on a plane out of here. This guy is seriously too stupid for his own good. He had his prime like 6 years ago. I hate him and i want him gone.[/quote]

Wow...who's "character" does this post say more about?

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I've got no issues, man. Some people on here have a hard time seeing Portis for what he really is.

The rest of the NFL, and the rest of the redskins locker room have no problem seeing the same thing.

His attack on Campbell is beyond low and absolutely classless. In fact, its what we've come to expect from him. I dont even like Campbell, but this was BS

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[quote=SolidSnake84;650943]I've got no issues, man. Some people on here have a hard time seeing Portis for what he really is.

The rest of the NFL, and the rest of the redskins locker room have no problem seeing the same thing.

His attack on Campbell is beyond low and absolutely classless. In fact, its what we've come to expect from him. I dont even like Campbell, but this was BS[/quote]

Wishing that an injury will result in the end of another man's livelyhood is "absolutely classless".

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I gotta agree with JC on this one. I have said often that CP idiotic actions stem from his insecurity and this is no different. CP knows his place on the team with a new coach is in question and without a doubt that makes him even more insecure.

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[quote=Son Of Man;650940]Insults add no validity to your arguement. Your response shows how illogically you view the situation.

Leadership is defined by getting results. Leading by example means showing up and getting the job done, not doing a sub-par job with a positive outlook.[/quote]

What "results" has Portis got us? Division titles? Playoff wins?

The best TEAM wins, not the best collection of individuals.....Portis is a cancer which erodes the TEAM. Apparently many of the Redskins players see it this way too.

I just don't get the CP apologists...what has he done for the team?

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ok fine, maybe i am a bit harsh. Make fun of me if it makes you feel better.

But seriously, what else does Portis have to do to make people realize he is anti-team?

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Portis has soooooo worn out his welcome here. He really has some nerve I'm tellin' ya.

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The one positive in all this, with Shanahan aboard this crap is going to end with CP. One of two things will happen next year:

1. Portis and his bloated contract will be gone.
2. He will fall in line, practice like everyone else, and play the good soldier routine. And just maybe if he's healthy and motivated we can milk a productive season out of him.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;650943]I've got no issues, man.[B] Some people on here have a hard time seeing Portis for what he really is.[/B]

[B]The rest of the NFL, and the rest of the redskins locker room have no problem seeing the same thing.[/B]

His attack on Campbell is beyond low and absolutely classless. In fact, its what we've come to expect from him. I dont even like Campbell, but this was BS[/quote]

I agree with you Snake. For the life of me I can't understand why he gets away with so much BS. As maroonandblack30 put it, what results? Causing dissension on the team? Not going to practice while his teamates bust their a**? Thowing his coaches and teamates under the bus? I mean, listen to what JC's saying, Portis is a me first slacker who wouldn't even come around while he was out. How would he know what's going on with the team? I think that says alot. I'm surprised it's taken this long to come to a head and I admire JC for saying what he said. Nobody else would openly say it. With JC having been on the trading block and Portis being one of Danny's favorites, I think JC showed courage and backbone by saying what he did. Portis is a year-in, year-out distraction even when he's not contributing.

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Good for JC for calling out this piece of cancer. No he's not an elite QB but one thing I've always liked and respected about JC is his true professionalism. The guy handles and carries himself like a pro....and we need more professionals on this team. CP is the total opposite and carries himself like the clown that he is. He needs to go and he needs to go now.....along with a few others.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;650914]Portis is an old, washed up, dime a dozen runningback. Besides that, he is a low down, dirty, spineless piece of absolute shit. [B]I am glad he had a season ending injury and I am only dissappoitned that it didn't cost him his career.[/B]

He doesnt deserve to be on this team. This team is made up of guys who care about each other. Portis was a locker room cancer long before he started breaking down physically. I blame Coach Joe for letting him get away with too much, but this is the final straw.

Get his worthless ass on a plane out of here. This guy is seriously too stupid for his own good. He had his prime like 6 years ago. I hate him and i want him gone.[/quote]

Slightly over the top and unnecessary.

Stay classy Skins fans.

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[quote=Mattyk;650954]The one positive in all this, with Shanahan aboard this crap is going to end with CP. One of two things will happen next year:

1. Portis and his bloated contract will be gone.
2. He will fall in line, practice like everyone else, and play the good soldier routine. And just maybe if he's healthy and motivated we can milk a productive season out of him.[/quote]

I was hoping for this too but the more I think ahbout it the more that I think CP just needs to hit the road. He's not going to fall in line with the whole new commitment thing. Everything that Allen was saying...about guys practicing and commiting themsleves more, none of that is up CP's alley so it's time to eat his contract and get him outta here.

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If he really wants to be here he will fall in line under Shanahan/Allen. They'll cut him in a heartbeat if they sense he's going to be a distraction.