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[quote=Mattyk;651893]It's worth noting Elway didn't have a real big time type of season until 1993. Up until then his stats weren't anything all that special. Shanahan wasn't his HC until '95 by the way.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm]John Elway NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url][/quote]

You know I said something similar to my Brother yesterday. I told him I looked at Elway's career stats and they're not that impressive. And you what he told me? "Yeah, but what was his 4th Quarter stats when the game is on the line?"

At that point I had to concede.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;652653]You know I said something similar to my Brother yesterday. I told him I looked at Elway's career stats and they're not that impressive. And you what he told me? "Yeah, but what was his 4th Quarter stats when the game is on the line?"

At that point I had to concede.[/quote]

Lol, maybe he had to play so well in the fourth quarter because he sucked for the first 3.

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Shanahan has barely been here and there's not a lot of tape to look at on Colt; I wouldn't say he's dismissed him nor likes him. I think that it'll actually take until he gets to work with him that he or we know anything.

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according to shefter and mort on espn gameday this morning they both think campbell will be here for atleast a year but did not rule out drafting bradford, i hope we get okung though

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[QUOTE]ESPN Insider, Adam Schefter reported this morning on the Mike and Mike show that Jason Campbell will remain with the Washington Redskins for the 2010 season. Word of advice for Redskin fans Schefter was Shanahan’s guy when he worked with the Denver Post and covered the Broncos so this is pretty solid info. Schefter went on to say that the Redskins will still draft a QB within the first two rounds which means they are not entirely set to draft a QB at the 4 spot. This will be great news for the Redskins fans that want offensive linemen to be the focus of the draft. I believe it means that the Redskins are keeping their options open. That is a good thing.

[url=http://www.turnersportsdesk.com/2010/01/Definitive-news-on-Jason-Campbell-Okung-and-other-tidbits.aspx]Turner Sports Desk[/url][/QUOTE]

Sounds like Jason's definitely here for another year. I wouldn't mind going all offensive line, but I suppose people are still talking about Bradford or Clausen..

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Forget McCoy. Use the first two rounds for the line. Round 3 you have a decent shot and Lefevour, Stull, Pike, Kafka, Sheehan, and Canfield. That isn't even the complete list of the really nice crop of Qbs coming out this year. With the exception of Manning and Aikmen, and McNabb in say the past 15-20 years, how many of the hot QB prospects have worked out? Favre didn't receive the adulation from the CFB media as Tebow or McCoy have, neither did Brees or Rivers. All 3(Favre, Rivers, Brees) were highly regarded, but did not receive the huge hype like Leinart or Harrington, Carr, etc. Even Jamarcus Russell was overhyped. These guys looked like superstars since they were on loaded teams. I want a guy that can make things happen if the talent isn't necessarily available or more to the point not stellar.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;658924]Forget McCoy. Use the first two rounds for the line. Round 3 you have a decent shot and Lefevour, Stull, Pike, Kafka, Sheehan, and Canfield. That isn't even the complete list of the really nice crop of Qbs coming out this year. With the exception of Manning and Aikmen, and McNabb in say the past 15-20 years, how many of the hot QB prospects have worked out? Favre didn't receive the adulation from the CFB media as Tebow or McCoy have, neither did Brees or Rivers. All 3(Favre, Rivers, Brees) were highly regarded, but did not receive the huge hype like Leinart or Harrington, Carr, etc. Even Jamarcus Russell was overhyped. These guys looked like superstars since they were on loaded teams. I want a guy that can make things happen if the talent isn't necessarily available or more to the point not stellar.[/quote]


we dont have a 3rd round pick and Rivers was a high draft pick, so he was hyped up before the draft.

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Why draft a QB when Manning and Brady will both be free agents after the 2010 season.

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For what it's worth Jay Cutler started five games during his rookie year, though I must admit I don't know the circumstances surrounding those starts.

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[quote=WaldSkins;658926]Why draft a QB when Manning and Brady will both be free agents after the 2010 season.[/quote]

Your Joking RIGHT????

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[quote=skinsfaninok;658928]Your Joking RIGHT????[/quote]

Well there contracts are up but I highly doubt that they become free agents.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;658927]For what it's worth Jay Cutler started five games during his rookie year, though I must admit I don't know the circumstances surrounding those starts.[/quote]The Broncos were in the lead in a playoff race and then the team collapsed and lost three December games to miss the postseason.

Or was that 07?

Or 08?

Or 09?

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[quote=GTripp0012;658930]The Broncos were in the lead in a playoff race and then the team collapsed and lost three December games to miss the postseason.

Or was that 07?

Or 08?

Or 09?[/quote]

Dude don't scare me like that. Ironically that bad year for them matched our second best year this decade (9-7). I guess this little blurb will give some insight. Apparently the Bronoc's missed the playoffs that year because they lost to San Fran in overtime. The Bronco's were 7-4 when the switch was made so don't think Shanahan won't pull Campbell.

Week 12: Denver 10 Kansas City 19
[quote]Denver might have made a switch at the QB position, but at the end of the day, the results were very similar. Rookie QB Jay Cutler (right) struggled mightily in his first start. Plummer had his own struggles, too, but the difference was that the majority of his bad starts included a victory. Behind the scenes, the Denver coaching staff was telling anyone who would listen about how much the QB change would help. They were talking about how they would now be able to open up their offense. In Cutler's defense, it was the first start of his career, but the offense looked just about the same. Denver was able to run the ball and struggled to throw it, which is the same problem they have been fighting all season. This was a real nice win for Seattle. Despite still having some struggles on the defensive side of the ball, they were able to force five turnovers and add a defensive TD. That was difference for Seattle in this football game.[/quote]

The next week: Chargers 48 Denver 20
[quote]But Cutler, looking more poised than in his debut a week earlier, threw touchdown passes of 28 and 11 yards to rookie tight end Tony Scheffler in a span of 48 seconds in the third quarter. The second TD came three plays after Chargers rookie Antonio Cromartie fumbled on a kickoff return after being hit by Patrick Chukwurah, with Denver's Louis Green recovering at the San Diego 27.
[/quote]

After that: Denver 37 Arizona 20
[quote]The big story coming into this game was the battle of rookie QBs Jay Cutler (right) and Matt Leinart. Leinart had been playing better, but it was Cutler who got the job done on this day.
Coach Mike Shanahan has done a good job of trimming down the offense in the past two weeks and that has made Cutler's job a lot easier. He is quicker with his reads and making better decisions with the ball.

The other big factor in this game was the play of the Denver defense. The unit had become very vanilla in recent weeks, but defensive coordinator Larry Coyer did a good job of mixing his blitz packages and coverages in the back end to confuse Leinart and ground the Arizona offense.[/quote]

Week 16: Denver 24 Cincinatti 23
[quote]Jay Cutler, the kid from Santa Claus, Ind., delivered for Denver on Christmas Eve, becoming the first NFL quarterback to throw for multiple touchdowns in each of his first four games.[/quote]

Week 17: Denver 23 San Fran 26 OT
[quote]The Broncos sent the game into overtime when Cutler, who was knocked woozy and sidelined by a hard hit in the first half, drove his team 80 yards in 10 plays and threw a fastball to fellow rookie Tony Scheffler for a 9-yard TD with 90 seconds left in regulation.

"I was a little dinged up. My head was swimming a little bit," Cutler said. "But I was fine in the second half."

After Champ Bailey returned his league-leading 10th interception 70 yards for a touchdown and a 13-0 lead, the Niners responded with 17 straight points, capped by Walt Harris's 28-yard interception return for a touchdown.
Harris, who had three takeaways, also picked off Jake Plummer, who came in after Anthony Adams' hard hit sent Cutler to the sideline in the second quarter. Plummer, who was benched five weeks ago, also committed a false start.

Cutler looked woozy upon his return after halftime and made several bad decisions and poor throws and even burned all of Denver's three timeouts on one third-quarter drive.[/quote]

I also like this quote. Reminds me a little of Joe Gibbs:
[quote]"I don't blame it on the quarterback. I blame it on me," Shanahan said. "I have to get it in there a little quicker."[/quote]

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[quote=GusFrerotte;658924]Forget McCoy. Use the first two rounds for the line. Round 3 you have a decent shot and Lefevour, Stull, Pike, Kafka, Sheehan, and Canfield. That isn't even the complete list of the really nice crop of Qbs coming out this year.[/quote]

If Colt McCoy falls to the 2nd or 3rd round i would draft him in a heartbeat.
I would pick any of those other guys until the 4th round because they're all developmental QBs and in that case i would target Jarrett Brown.

McCoy and Tebow get 'hyped' as a by product of the sport crazy media age we live in and the fact that they've both have alot of success and have been playing college football on the big stage for 3-4 years.

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[quote=Buster;651344]I say "pfffft" to pft.com rumors.


As long as the rookie is not from the #4 pick, I have no problem, but fix the line first, possibly RB too.[/quote]

I agree...Picking at #4 you expect to get a player that's going to make an immediate impact and be a pro-bowl type player for a long time. It's not a position to be drafting a developmental player, a top QB is not the way to go unless we could seriously up-grade the O-line.

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Does anybody know if TC15 is going to retire? If not, then let Brennan compete with Campbell....Why is CB5 now an afterthought here??

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[quote=SolidSnake84;659002]Does anybody know if TC15 is going to retire? If not, then let Brennan compete with Campbell....Why is CB5 now an afterthought here??[/quote]

Because of his rotten preseason last year, perhaps.

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Yeah I'm not sure exactly what Brennan has done to deserve anything more than being an afterthought at this point. He was Zorn's pet project. Now with a new coach you would have to think Shanahan will want his own project to groom.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;659002]Does anybody know if TC15 is going to retire? If not, then let Brennan compete with Campbell....Why is CB5 now an afterthought here??[/quote]

I believe Collins contract expired at the end of the season (check me if I'm wrong) don't know if he's considering retirement.

I'm definitely interested in seeing what Shanahan's opinion of Brennan is as it relates to his future as a Redskin.

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Collins is still under contract, he signed a 6 year deal in 2008. The last 3 were voidable though.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/the-todd-collins-contract.html]Redskins Insider - The Todd Collins Contract[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;659010]Yeah I'm not sure exactly what Brennan has done to deserve anything more than being an afterthought at this point. He was Zorn's pet project. Now with a new coach you would have to think Shanahan will want his own project to groom.[/quote]

Brennan had contrasting pre-seasons 2008-2009. Many thought he had a splendid pre-season in 2008 with raves following his performances--36-53--411 yds. 3td's 0 Int's. Hip, and other injuries slowed his performance in 2009 and his numbers took a freefall, 23-43--249 yds. 0 td's 3 int's. and the raves began to subside. I'm still interested in seeing where he fits in, if at all. If he's over his injuries he'll be in position to show the best he has to offer with no excuses.

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Its time for TC to retire or be let go...good guy, but it is time to move on, plus JC may be the new back up if Shanny drafts a rookie...Brennan from what we have seen isnt a capable starter yet this league...maybe the Canadian league, but not the NFL

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[quote=Longtimefan;659016]Brennan had contrasting pre-seasons 2008-2009. Many thought he had a splendid pre-season in 2008 with raves following his performances--36-53--411 yds. 3td's 0 Int's. Hip, and other injuries slowed his performance in 2009 and his numbers took a freefall, 23-43--249 yds. 0 td's 3 int's. and the raves began to subside. I'm still interested in seeing where he fits in, if at all. If he's over his injuries he'll be in position to show the best he has to offer with no excuses.[/quote]

Yeah people drooled over his rookie preseason but in reality I don't think his two preseasons were all that different, in 2009 some of his forced throws got picked where in 2008 he managed to slip in those dangerous throws for completions. I know the Cult of Colt is still holding out hope, but with a new staff he's definitely on the fence and will have a lot to prove and in a very short period of time.

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[quote=Chico23231;659018]Its time for TC to retire or be let go...good guy, but it is time to move on, plus JC may be the new back up if Shanny drafts a rookie...Brennan from what we have seen isnt a capable starter yet this league...maybe the Canadian league, but not the NFL[/quote]

Don't think you'll get much of an argument on Todd Collins, but many people feel they haven't seen enough of Colt Brennan yet to be able to make an affirmative decision either one way or another about his ability to become an NFL QB. We've only seen 3-4 qtrs.of the guy at most, now if that's enough for them to formulate an opinion either up or down, it may not be enough for those who say the conclusion may seem hurried.

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I really think that Campbell would make somebody, even us, a great backup. He doesnt cost you the game...he is careful with the ball, and can manage a lead nicely as long as the rest of the team is playing solid.

Somebody would want him as a backup. I think he could even stay here if they would sign him to a deal for veteran minimum....

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i don't see Collins or Brennan on the roster this year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;659043]i don't see Collins or Brennan on the roster this year.[/quote]

Just yesterday I was looking over all the QB's we've drafted by round since 1994.

1994 - Heath Shuler 1st --Gus Frerotte 7th
2000 - Tod Husak 6th
2001 - Sage Rosenfels 4th
2002 - Patrick Ramsey 1st
2003 - Gibran Hamdan 7th
2005 - Jason Campbell 1st
2007 - Jordan Palmer 6th
2008 - Colt Brennan 6th
2009 - Chase Daniel--Not drafted but signed as an UDFA

Considering the production we got (or didn't get) from these QB's, one can't help but wonder how much farther along we would be had we drafted a position player (other than QB) at more than one of these draft positions. I agree if it's determined Brennan can't play at the NFL level he shouldn't be on the team.

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[quote=Longtimefan;659011]
I'm definitely interested in seeing what Shanahan's opinion of Brennan is as it relates to his future as a Redskin.[/quote]

me too. i think brennan would be a good fit for shanny's offense.

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Lets get it right this time guys, look at the Rypien years he was a so so QB with an awesome O line and we won big. If we take a QB in the first round we are making a terrible mistake. Good O line and JC will wreak havoc on other teams.

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[quote=tmandoug1;659221]Lets get it right this time guys, look at the Rypien years he was a so so QB with an awesome O line and we won big. If we take a QB in the first round we are making a terrible mistake. Good O line and JC will wreak havoc on other teams.[/quote]

Conventional wisdom suggests and has guided the thought process of many, that in order to reach the pinacle of success, a team needs to draft a QB in the top ten.

QB's like Mark Rypien and Tom Brady both drafted in the 6th round are players who have debunked the myth that you have to draft that ever elusive (so called) franchise QB. at the top of the draft to have a very successful QB in your employ. Their play has demonstrated that a QB needs only to be effecient to win. However, it is also widely believed that in order to win consistently on a sustained basis, the search for a high profile talent is a must.

The drafting of a FQB is totaly contradictory unto itself because they aren't drafted, they are made. A FQB is IMO, one who can walk into any huddle in the NFL pick up the football and have imediate success. By saying that, these type QB's are not defined by the system they paly in because you don't have to build a system around them for them to be effective. They do it because they can make any throw in any offense and succeed with any coach and with any type of offensive personnel around them. The performances of Brett Favre the last two seasons are perfect examples of what I'm referring too.

No Collegiate QB can bring that to the table, the best they can bring is the potential to be that, but the title of FQB will elude them until they demonstrate they can perform to the level of what the title demands. Hence the argument of what and not who is considered a FQB.

A good offensive line is also vital to the success of any QB. We need to look no further than our own Jason Campbell as a testament to that.

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well, I see campbell for one more year, with Pike carrying the clipboard, and then taking the reigns in season 2 after we have 2 offseasons and good drafts to solidify our OLINE

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Zorn hired by Ravens as QB coach, according to Mortensen's twitter account.

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[quote=GTripp0012;659274]Zorn hired by Ravens as QB coach, according to Mortensen's twitter account.[/quote]

So unfair. Jason Campbell had to wait 4 years to do the "coach throws tackling dummies at me while I try to pass drill." Joe Flacco only has to wait till his third year.

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Don't forget the slip n slide.

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[quote=GTripp0012;659281]Don't forget the slip n slide.[/quote]

Oh man, how are we going to win football games now without the slip n slide? This is so unfair. The Ravens are now loaded with Performance Enhancing Fun.

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[quote=tmandoug1;659221]Lets get it right this time guys, look at the Rypien years he was a so so QB with an awesome O line and we won big. If we take a QB in the first round we are making a terrible mistake. Good O line and JC will wreak havoc on other teams.[/quote]

The Skins won big one year with Ryp at QB because that year he tore it up he was an unbelievably accurate passer. His other years he still had a nice O line but couldnt hit the broad side of a barn and the Skins didnt win. So far JC has shown he's not an accurate passer and no O line can fix that.

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Why do I feel like If we keep Campbell and draft a 1st round QB, Campbell will do great. But if we keep campbell and don't get a high draft pick QB he'll do awful this upcoming year.

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[quote=Longtimefan;659052]Just yesterday I was looking over all the QB's we've drafted by round since 1994.

1994 - Heath Shuler 1st --Gus Frerotte 7th
2000 - Tod Husak 6th
2001 - Sage Rosenfels 4th
2002 - Patrick Ramsey 1st
2003 - Gibran Hamdan 7th
2005 - Jason Campbell 1st
2007 - Jordan Palmer 6th
2008 - Colt Brennan 6th
2009 - Chase Daniel--Not drafted but signed as an UDFA

Considering the production we got (or didn't get) from these QB's, one can't help but wonder how much farther along we would be had we drafted a position player (other than QB) at more than one of these draft positions. I agree if it's determined Brennan can't play at the NFL level he shouldn't be on the team.[/quote]
you can only be so good as a 3rd stringer, we don't need starter quality there

I mean there are some guys we could've picked differently but so many of those are late round picks, never know what you might get there. You have to get a QB eventually.. you can always wait to start him until the current guy sucks it up or the line is meshed well

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[quote=CultBrennan59;659402]Why do I feel like If we keep Campbell and draft a 1st round QB, Campbell will do great. But if we keep campbell and don't get a high draft pick QB he'll do awful this upcoming year.[/quote]

:laughing- Murphy's Law.