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I dont want anyone to take this personally, but it seems like some people are almost making excuses for Rothlesberger or minimizing certain unconsented acts as if they would be "no big deal" even if they did happen. If Rothlesberger engaged in [U]any[/U] sort of sexual assault, however minor, its no trivial matter. He deserves what he's getting and it better include some sort of judicial punishment and suspension from the league and/or the team. In the "best-case scenario" for him -everything was consensual and hes now being victimized by someone wanting to get a big payday - he's still an idiot, a pervert, and someone who deserves what he's getting right now. He's a liability to reputation of the NFL.

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[quote=SmootSmack;672143]Well it's questionable if Roeth has common sense[/quote]


I think it is safe to say that he is a complete idiot blessed with the skills to be an elite athlete.

What a clown.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;672147]I think it is safe to say that he is a complete idiot blessed with the skills to be an elite athlete.

What a clown.[/quote]

At the very minimum.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;672145]I dont want anyone to take this personally, but it seems like some people are almost making excuses for Rothlesberger or minimizing certain unconsented acts as if they would be "no big deal" even if they did happen. If Rothlesberger engaged in [U]any[/U] sort of sexual assault, however minor, its no trivial matter. He deserves what he's getting and it better include some sort of judicial punishment and suspension from the league and/or the team. In the "best-case scenario" for him -everything was consensual and hes now being victimized by someone wanting to get a big payday - he's still an idiot, a pervert, and someone who deserves what he's getting right now. He's a liability to reputation of the NFL.[/quote]


My gut feeling is that he did something wrong in this case. People who are bar hopping between 5 different locations aren't going to be doing anything intelligent or making any good decisions.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;672033]i agree that we can't make a definitive judgement now, but the fact that rothlesberger is involved in some sort of incident every year is enough to question his judgement. he shouldnt be putting himself in these situations to begin with. his behavior is clearly reckless if nothing else.

my overall point is that presuming Rothlesberger is innocent of sexual assualt means we are assuming his accuser is guilty of making the whole thing up. it just concerns me that so many people are quick to assume the later is true. i think there are far more me who get away with sexual assault because the victims don't speak up than there are women who falsely accuse men of rape to get money.[/quote]

a lot don't get reported.. and a lot get reported falsely.. it's a vicious thing

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[quote=skinsfan69;672134]she said she was assaulted, not raped. big difference. i'm not a lawyer but what does that mean? it could mean he grabbed her ass, or grabbed her tits when she wasn't expecting it. to me this sounds like some girl crying wolf. how do you assault someone in a club when people are walking in and out of a bathroom? it just doesn't make any sense.[/quote]

Rape is a type of sexual assault. Sexual assault is the broad category. I think you're referring to sexual misconduct which doesn't really seem to be the case here.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;672033]i agree that we can't make a definitive judgement now, but the fact that rothlesberger is involved in some sort of incident every year is enough to question his judgement. he shouldnt be putting himself in these situations to begin with. his behavior is clearly reckless if nothing else.

my overall point is that presuming Rothlesberger is innocent of sexual assualt means we are assuming his accuser is guilty of making the whole thing up. it just concerns me that so many people are quick to assume the later is true. i think there are far more me who get away with sexual assault because the victims don't speak up than there are women who falsely accuse men of rape to get money.[/quote]

Ok, #1 - absolutely no stone hard facts have come out about this case yet, ITS NOT EVEN A CASE YET, LOL, no charges have even been filed yet, so, quit slammin and crucifying this guy for christs sake...
#2 bad judgement?? The frickin guy lives out in the mmiddle of bumflip egypt in georgia, and I know, milledgeville is right down the road from me, and what is bad about his judgement? Being a 28 year old that likes to go to clubs, show off, spend money and fraternize with women??? yeah, horrible judgement there.
#3 - "i think there are far more me who get away with sexual assault because the victims don't speak up than there are women who falsely accuse men of rape" Oh really? In Ben Rothlisbergers case, the exact opposite is true. He had a cuckoo bitch trying to get money from him last year. The DA and police, after questioning the woman, and then some of her friends, said that there was no way they would even think of charging him with anything. The girls best friend even said to authorities that the accuser said, "I gonna get me some Rothlisberger." and she even drove to Pittsburgh with her friend to see if they could track him down and party with him, all AFTER the alleged event. Hardly a girl with her emotions totally distraught from being violated and raped. more like a girl thats pissed that he banged her and jetted, cause he found out first hand the bitch was flippin nuts.

You all should just chill, and quit fricking crucifying this guy when absolutely NO EVIDENCE, NO UPDATES, NOTHING has officially come out from the Police dept. or the DA. All of this is just speculation, and all this, "well I saw some pictures, A witness said this bull shit.......SPECULATION. You know what is accurate about all of this stuff thats been said here on these boards????

NOTHING

Just wait for the truth to come out, damn, the guy hasnt even been charged with anything. He has NEVER ONCE, NEVER been charged with anything short of a traffic ticket in HIS ENTIRE LIFE. All these people speculating about this, saying he is a horrible person, he should be suspended shit, surprises the hell out of me. Especially on this forum. Just quit jumping the gun, and give the guy his due process. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

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im pretty sure that kind of language isnt tolerated here. i suggest you edit your post

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Good lookin out

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i understand, we can all be very passionate about our opinions.

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[url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CAwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fprofootballtalk.nbcsports.com%2F2010%2F03%2F10%2Freport-roethlisberger-admitted-to-having-sexual-contact-with-alleged-victim%2F&ei=AleYS9KZBs-Wtgfq-Z3kAQ&usg=AFQjCNFH2e1gWakZTkImZKi0d4uGJUL7mw]Report: Roethlisberger admitted to having "sexual contact" with alleged victim | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Ok, so he knows the girl.

And "she fell on her head"? WTF?

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/10/report-roethlisberger-admitted-to-having-sexual-contact-with-alleged-victim/]Report: Roethlisberger admitted to having "sexual contact" with alleged victim | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]


jeeeez, look at those comments from posters........

Everyone wants his head, so to speak, and noone really knows anything about what went on. Absolutely nothing, and they want him out of the league, banished, for what, being a horny 28 year old millionaire? Idiots, hopefully they will weed these easily swayed minds out if this ever goes to trial. F*cking sheep.

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I suppose rape should be legalized then, since horny males should just have their way.

Or maybe we should just have unisex restrooms, since, uh, well, you know, boys should have their way.

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Grab your wallet and settle as quickly and quietly as possible, Big Ben.

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[quote=Mechanix544;672375][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/10/report-roethlisberger-admitted-to-having-sexual-contact-with-alleged-victim/"]Report: Roethlisberger admitted to having "sexual contact" with alleged victim | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL]


jeeeez, look at those comments from posters........

Everyone wants his head, so to speak, and noone really knows anything about what went on. Absolutely nothing, and they want him out of the league, banished, for what, being a horny 28 year old millionaire? Idiots, hopefully they will weed these easily swayed minds out if this ever goes to trial. F*cking sheep.[/quote]

You know just as little as we do. He could have done this type of thing 15 times before and no one came forward until now. No one knows the truth and he was probably so shitfaced that he doesn't know what happened either. Are you really buying the, "Yeah, I banged her and then she hit her head and decided to claim rape" story? He never should have been allowed to make that statement. What an idiot.

Sure he is innocent until proven guilty but as a high profile athlete with a track record of moronic judgement, he has set himself up to be judged in the court of public opinion. It is "right"? Probably not, but that is reality.

You seem to be more closed minded and judgemental about this issue than the other posters. Just calm down and look at the information out there. Things aren't looking too good for Big Ben aka Frank the Tank.

Here is the life lesson that I have learned from this:

If you are a famous 28 year old multi-millionaire, it is bad idea to get hammered and screw a 20 year old college girl in a bathroom during a 5 bar tour in Nowheresville, Georgia.

Edit: Isn't it interesting how aggressive Ben and his legal team were against the first accuser? Seems like a different approach this time around. What is different???

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;672392]You know just as little as we do. He could have done this type of thing 15 times before and no one came forward until now. No one knows the truth and he was probably so shitfaced that he doesn't know what happened either. Are you really buying the, "Yeah, I banged her and then she hit her head and decided to claim rape" story? He never should have been allowed to make that statement. What an idiot.

Sure he is innocent until proven guilty but as a high profile athlete with a track record of moronic judgement, he has set himself up to be judged in the court of public opinion. It is "right"? Probably not, but that is reality.

You seem to be more closed minded and judgemental about this issue than the other posters. Just calm down and look at the information out there. Things aren't looking too good for Big Ben aka Frank the Tank.

[B]Here is the life lesson that I have learned from this:[/B]

[B]If you are a famous 28 year old multi-millionaire, it is bad idea to get hammered and screw a 20 year old college girl in a bathroom during a 5 bar tour in Nowheresville, Georgia.[/B]
Edit: Isn't it interesting how aggressive Ben and his legal team were against the first accuser? Seems like a different approach this time around. What is different???[/quote]

pretty freaking much

Re: Big Ben accused of sexual assault
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;672392]You know just as little as we do. He could have done this type of thing 15 times before and no one came forward until now. No one knows the truth and he was probably so shitfaced that he doesn't know what happened either. Are you really buying the, "Yeah, I banged her and then she hit her head and decided to claim rape" story? He never should have been allowed to make that statement. What an idiot.

Sure he is innocent until proven guilty but as a high profile athlete with a track record of moronic judgement, he has set himself up to be judged in the court of public opinion. It is "right"? Probably not, but that is reality.

You seem to be more closed minded and judgemental about this issue than the other posters. Just calm down and look at the information out there. Things aren't looking too good for Big Ben aka Frank the Tank.

Here is the life lesson that I have learned from this:

If you are a famous 28 year old multi-millionaire, it is bad idea to get hammered and screw a 20 year old college girl in a bathroom during a 5 bar tour in Nowheresville, Georgia.

Edit: [B]Isn't it interesting how aggressive Ben and his legal team were against the first accuser? Seems like a different approach this time around. What is different???[/B][/quote]

No one "hit their head" the first time around.

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During football season a few of the Steelers go to the Wheeling Downs to gamble. From the stories that I have been told by the people that work there they say that Ben can be a a$$ sometimes.

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If he isn't willing to provide a DNA sample, that right there proves he is guilty. If he is innocent, then he has nothing to worry about in submitting the sample.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;672443]If he isn't willing to provide a DNA sample, that right there proves he is guilty. If he is innocent, then he has nothing to worry about in submitting the sample.[/quote]

Nothing in life is that simple. First if they had consensual, his DNA would be there and it wouldn't prove anything really. Second, and this may sound paranoid, but once you give your DNA it goes into a Federal DB and, well, let's be honest some people just don't trust the govt that much. Finally, it may be on the advice of counsel that he doesn't, because the counsel knows that if it matches, even in consensual, it creates a prejudice.

It's along the lines of an innocent man not wanting to testify, only because his testimony has enough flaws that a good prosecutor will make his answers him sound guilty. That might be why the Bill of Rights included the defense against self-incrimination.

But DNA is SCIENCE, right Kowalski ;-)

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So he can just refuse to submit to testing and that's that?

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this is a total mess for big ben. to me this sounds like some fooling around went a little too far. whether he is guily or innocent he really needs to try and settle this out of court as soon as possible. but what ever happens his reputation is down the toilet.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;672451]So he can just refuse to submit to testing and that's that?[/quote]

No, he can be compelled if there is sufficient evidence, but it requires a warrant.

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In your experience, do you think that they will get one?

Because Ben's lawyer Ed Garland pretty much said that they were not going to consent to a sample....

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Didnt Rothlesberger provide DNA the last time he was accused of sexual assault? If so, having his DNA on file with the government shouldnt be a concern. Hasn't he already admitted to having contact of some sort with his accuser? So how would any additional prejudice be created by providing a DNA sample here.

I can only think of a few possibilities:

1) His lawyer simply doesnt want to be overly cooperative. If they really want his DNA and the feel they have evidence, then the prosecutors SHOULD get a warrant. (However, I personally feel if you have nothing to hide, then why not be as cooperative as possible in an effort to clear your name?)

2) Rothlesberger admitted to having contact that did not constitute intercourse with the woman. If the woman shows evidence of being raped, then Rothlesbergers argument could be that someone else did it. However, if he provides his DNA and it matches, it would prove Rothlesberger is either lying about the nature of his encounter or he actually committed the crime he's being accused of.

3) Rothlesberger's DNA has never been taken by the government before. He doesn't want it on file because it could end up being a match to some other, as yet unprosecuted crime.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;672465]In your experience, do you think that they will get one?

Because Ben's lawyer Ed Garland pretty much said that they were not going to consent to a sample....[/quote]

Ya know, I haven't got a clue. I would say, if they have enough to file a charge, then they would probably have enough to get the warrant. Other than that I don't know. Seems like if he admits to consensual happenings and isn't denying the act but only the consent, then why would DNA even matter?

And for the record, I am just going off of what's on the news, and basic knowledge, I'm not a lawyer or have any such experience to give substantial backing to my thoughts.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;672507]Didnt Rothlesberger provide DNA the last time he was accused of sexual assault? If so, having his DNA on file with the government shouldnt be a concern. Hasn't he already admitted to having contact of some sort with his accuser? So how would any additional prejudice be created by providing a DNA sample here.

I can only think of a few possibilities:

1) His lawyer simply doesnt want to be overly cooperative. If they really want his DNA and the feel they have evidence, then the prosecutors SHOULD get a warrant. (However, I personally feel if you have nothing to hide, then why not be as cooperative as possible in an effort to clear your name?)

2) Rothlesberger admitted to having contact that did not constitute intercourse with the woman. If the woman shows evidence of being raped, then Rothlesbergers argument could be that someone else did it. However, if he provides his DNA and it matches, it would prove Rothlesberger is either lying about the nature of his encounter or he actually committed the crime he's being accused of.

3) Rothlesberger's DNA has never been taken by the government before. He doesn't want it on file because it could end up being a match to some other, as yet unprosecuted crime.[/quote]

well said, those seem like the 3 most likely options, only #1 would be possibly favorable for BR.

I doubt he had to give DNA in the last one since no criminal charges were filed, only civil if they even were.

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[quote=skinsfan69;672453]but what ever happens his reputation is down the toilet.[/quote]

Along with his DNA presumably. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;672143]Well it's questionable if Roeth has common sense[/quote]

It was a misake IMO for him to admit to the police his involvement to any extent. This is not his first time dealing with law enforcement, he should know what not to say. They're trying to decipher what happened between the time of any advancement on his part, and the time she fell and hit her head.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;672514]Ya know, I haven't got a clue. I would say, if they have enough to file a charge, then they would probably have enough to get the warrant. Other than that I don't know. Seems like if he admits to consensual happenings and isn't denying the act but only the consent, then why would DNA even matter?

And for the record, I am just going off of what's on the news, and basic knowledge, I'm not a lawyer or have any such experience to give substantial backing to my thoughts.[/quote]

credskins, your on point. they would need a warrant to take a DNA sample from ben unless he consents. of course, logic dictates that if they want a sample from ben they must have some dna fluid on the alleged victim to compare it to.

im guessin he was gettin head, (something happens), she hits her head.

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IF Rothlesberger is indicted, do you think the NFL and or the steelers would suspend him like they did Vick, or would they wait for more evidence and/or the result of the trial?

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idk, that was an interesting point that radio heads have been talking about. vick being suspended after getting indicted set a precedent that, in a fair nfl world, should be applied to all players.

an indictment really shouldnt be the bench mark for when the nfl assumes guilt and takes action.

the joke from some famous judge is that he could get his ham sandwhich indicted. grand jury proceedings are jokes.

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[quote=over the mountain;672556]credskins, your on point. they would need a warrant to take a DNA sample from ben unless he consents. of course, logic dictates that if they want a sample from ben they must have some dna fluid on the alleged victim to compare it to.

im guessin he was gettin head, (something happens), she hits her head.[/quote]
for the location the appropriate phrase for (something happens) would have to be sh*t happens.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;672357][url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CAwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fprofootballtalk.nbcsports.com%2F2010%2F03%2F10%2Freport-roethlisberger-admitted-to-having-sexual-contact-with-alleged-victim%2F&ei=AleYS9KZBs-Wtgfq-Z3kAQ&usg=AFQjCNFH2e1gWakZTkImZKi0d4uGJUL7mw]Report: Roethlisberger admitted to having "sexual contact" with alleged victim | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Ok, so he knows the girl.

And "she fell on her head"? WTF?[/quote]

Are you serious? Damn Ben this doesn't look good man..

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Can you imagine if we find out he was getting a blumpkin?

lol

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[quote=over the mountain;672566]idk, that was an interesting point that radio heads have been talking about. vick being suspended after getting indicted set a precedent that, in a fair nfl world, should be applied to all players.

an indictment really shouldnt be the bench mark for when the nfl assumes guilt and takes action.

the joke from some famous judge is that he could get his ham sandwhich indicted. grand jury proceedings are jokes.[/quote]

i could see there being a difference here. with vick, there was quite a bit of evidence against him and he had lied directly to the commish. In this case, there may not be as much direct evidence at the time if/when Big Ben is indicted. It really may come down to a he said / she said situation which should not be enough to warrant a suspension. with vick, it was he said / all these dead dogs on your property said.

Hopefully, there will actually be some hard evidence that either exhonorates or condemns Rothlesberger.

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Is he married?

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To my knowledge Ben is not married.

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[quote=Mattyk;672593]Can you imagine if we find out he was getting a blumpkin?

lol[/quote]


Gross and that would be one big blumpkin.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;672585]Are you serious? Damn Ben this doesn't look good man..[/quote]

I think in the end he'll get off (no pun intended). There was alcohol involved and it's simply her word against his. He's lawyered up with a guy who helped Ray Lewis get away with murder. At this point it's her word against Ben's. I have no clue what legal precedent says about these kind of cases, but even if his DNA matches whatever evidence the cops already have, it's going to pretty difficult to prove (without reasonable doubt) that a sexual assault occurred.

Either way it's another huge hit to his image. At this point he's a scumbag in my eyes.