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Mending fences? Sounds like a good offseason workout for Fat Albert.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;683343]if we could trade AH for a top 40 pick or an under-28 starting-caliber lineman, i would be a very happy camper.[/quote]

He was certainly looked at a little differently. Give him one more year before we start calling for serious trades. Offering up Haynesworth was definately an option, but only as a measure to keep our draft picks.

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[quote=Zerohero;683647]Mending fences? Sounds like a good offseason workout for Fat Albert.[/quote]

I don't know, fence mending is a whole lot of lot of work for a guy like Albert. I would count on him to show up and fix one fence, two maybe if we are lucky, but after that he decides he's done and heads home.:)

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[quote=Ruhskins;683562]Can someone please show me substantial evidence that....

- Haynesworth is a bust and that he did not improve the defense last season
- The team has a personal issue with Haynesworth
- Haynesworth is "pissed off" at the team

Andy Pollin was interviewing someone earlier today and asked a question about AH, and whoever he was interviewing pretty much had a "WTF are you asking?" reaction.[/quote]

My evidence is the game tape of him sucking wind and laying on the ground like he was shot every 4th play. Its my opinion that he is out of shape and therefor does not work all that hard. And maybe its not fair but when your the highest paid player on the team the standards are high. I didn't say he was mad at anyone and I am not sure the team has personal problems with him either although shannys comments about the OTA's and his rumored trade offer suggest it.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);683632]If you rate players solely by wins and losses, forgetting that it's a team effort, then Barry Sanders was a crappy runningback that could make highlight reels but couldn't win games, Dan Marino was a choke artist that couldn't win the big one, i can go on, but it's obviously pointless with you. 4-12 means NOTHING if you are looking at just one player. I guess you think Orakpo was a bust huh? Sure he made the pro-bowl, but 4-12 means he was obviously crap.

Look, you can't lump the win-loss total as a QB statistic. It's false advertising. Thinking like that gives the wrong people credit for a win. Who won those patiot superbowls? Vinetari or Brady? How many did they win without him? Remember all those fumbles Thurman Thomas had against the Giants? Then they blamed the loss on a Scott Norwood missed fieldgoal!? Well, it was the final straw, but not all his fault, just like our 4-12 season. If you honselty thing the 4 were from the team and the 12 was from Jason Campbell, then there's no point even reading your responses anymore.[/quote]

Good post..and you are obviously intelligent. Which doesn't explain why you would write a slanted article which makes it seem like Jason Campbell is just waiting for a good team to show up. Fact is Jason WAS INDEED a large part of those 12 losses. A missed pass here...not moving up in the pocket in the first Giants game and allow Umehyoura to get around Samuels 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage to know the ball out and run it back for a TD when a simple move up in the pocket would have meant a completed pass for the Skins instead of a td for the Giants. Jason is not a great QB and he will be a backup for the rest of his life, regardless if somebody starts him for a game or 2.

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[quote=internetcareer;683680]Good post..and you are obviously intelligent. Which doesn't explain why you would write a slanted article which makes it seem like Jason Campbell is just waiting for a good team to show up. Fact is Jason WAS INDEED a large part of those 12 losses. A missed pass here...not moving up in the pocket in the first Giants game and allow Umehyoura to get around Samuels 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage to know the ball out and run it back for a TD when a simple move up in the pocket would have meant a completed pass for the Skins instead of a td for the Giants. Jason is not a great QB and he will be a backup for the rest of his life, regardless if somebody starts him for a game or 2.[/quote]

Well said. Sometimes it blows my mind when people defend Jason Campbell to the extent that we should have started him/kept draft picks over having THE DONOVAN MCNABB??

Do you guys not remember Jason Campbell throughout the season? He was horrible! He'd complete his passes when it didn't matter and I'd flick the channel when it was 3rd and 10, the chances of him making that were about as likely as me starting for the Colts next season. He has much more lowlights than highs, and really just couldn't pull the trigger at any point this season or the last. It's incorrect to factor in us keeping him because he still has "potential".. If he's going to go become a good QB on another team, then go do that right now and thanks for the very few games that you made us all happy about Jason!

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[quote=Ruhskins;683582]Once again, please someone tell me where Haynesworth has said something?

All he has said is that he'd prefer to play DE in the 3-4, but he will play whatever they have him play on defense (which I find it odd that people here who always quote the "square peg in round hole" cliche would disagree).

Haynesworth was here for the first day of "voluntary" workouts, and just as with some other players, he decided not to participate and told the team that he would workout on his own ahead of time. Shanahan, being no pushover of course said that he was disappointed, but he also said that he respected AH's decision.

I still don't see any drama here, and honestly people are just blowing things out of proportion. I recall the situation when Springs wasn't showing up for OTAs and Gibbs telling the press that he couldn't even get in touch with him and teammates like Phillip Daniel calling Springs out. Granted, that Springs wasn't given 41 mil guaranteed, but still people act like Haynesworth ran out of Redskins Park yelling and screaming.[/quote]

I think the team should be careful how they state themselves in reference to Haynesworth choosing not to participate in the team off-season conditioning program at the park. To think he could face some form of retalliation by way of threatning to trade him for not doing so could draw the ire of the players union. Those workout's are strictly voluntary, and to indirectly threaten a player for not attending is contrary to rule governing those activities.

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THis squad, or the coaching staff owes absolutely NOTHING to HAynesworth. BUt I will go so far as to say this.

For the compensation that he has gotten from the owner thus far, and looking at his production and lack of commitment and inspiration, he needs to get his fat ass in gear, or this FO will ship him the fuck out, regardless if the union sticks their noses in the business. Shanny will just say that there were other factors, laziness, and he didnt fit in their plans for the defensive schemes they are switching to. Easy to get by that, and I am sure Haslett and Shanny are not looking over their shoulders at the big bad players union (gimme a break) when they are wheeling and dealing A.H to possible suitors.

Simple fact is, A.H. owes THIS FRANCHISE something, not the other way around. He is already late on his payment, so he needs to (pardon the expression) cowboy the eff up and kick some ass, or he WILL be out of here.

I want him to be here. I want him to be good. Lets move forward together, or he can move back, back to effin tenessee for all we care.

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I honestly hope both players stay on the skins. Especially Albert Haynesworth. AH followed the redskins offseason plan last year and we saw what those results got him.

I do wonder why was this info leaked about their names in particular? Noone knew about McNabb comming to Washington until it happened. Are they trying to send a message to Landry and AH?

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[quote=Mechanix544;683737]THis squad, or the coaching staff owes absolutely NOTHING to HAynesworth. BUt I will go so far as to say this.

For the compensation that he has gotten from the owner thus far, and looking at his production and lack of commitment and inspiration, he needs to get his fat ass in gear, or this FO will ship him the fuck out, regardless if the union sticks their noses in the business. Shanny will just say that there were other factors, laziness, and he didnt fit in their plans for the defensive schemes they are switching to. Easy to get by that, and I am sure Haslett and Shanny are not looking over their shoulders at the big bad players union (gimme a break) when they are wheeling and dealing A.H to possible suitors.

[B]Simple fact is, A.H. owes THIS FRANCHISE something, not the other way around. He is already late on his payment, so he needs to (pardon the expression) cowboy the eff up and kick some ass, or he WILL be out of here.[/B]

I want him to be here. I want him to be good. Lets move forward together, or he can move back, back to effin tenessee for all we care.[/quote]

Hence his decision to workout on his own with the trainer that got him into Pro Bowl shape. Once again, I don't get this whole fabricated drama with Haynesworth. As many have said before, he's owning up to the lackluster (if you want to call it like that) season and getting ready for this season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;683565]Landry is a punk ass loser who tackles like a bitch and then showboats when he makes a routine play. He needs to grow up or they need to just cut him outright. If he was a 4th or 5th round draft pick he's be on the bench. Tackling has nothing to do with him being out of position. All those sacks didn't make the defense any better did it?[B] I get so tired of everyone around here crying about getting more sacks and not looking at the big picture. We got more sacks. BIG DEAL. We gave up more points and more big plays so who cares?[/B][/quote]

I think the distinction here is actually quarterback pressure. For years it seemed like our D wasn't even getting close to rattling the QB. He would have all day to throw, and without getting any sort of pressure it didn't translate into errant throws and hence, we didn't get many turnovers.

This year the pressure was better, but other parts of the D fell off.

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[quote=internetcareer;683680]Good post..and you are obviously intelligent. Which doesn't explain why you would write a slanted article which makes it seem like Jason Campbell is just waiting for a good team to show up. Fact is Jason WAS INDEED a large part of those 12 losses. A missed pass here...not moving up in the pocket in the first Giants game and allow Umehyoura to get around Samuels 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage to know the ball out and run it back for a TD when a simple move up in the pocket would have meant a completed pass for the Skins instead of a td for the Giants. Jason is not a great QB and he will be a backup for the rest of his life, regardless if somebody starts him for a game or 2.[/quote]

Why thank you for the compliment. Warms my heart.

Look, JC isn't my favorite QB of all time, but i made the same argument for Brad Johnson when HE left and did great things. Regardless of the player you wish to blame, there are usually a LOT of big mistakes that make a team lose. Of COURSE JC had a part in our 4-12 season, but to use it as a QB statistic is still inacurate jsut like giving Brady all the credit for the superbowls won on Vinetari's foot.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d814c122d/Saints-33-Redskins-30]NFL Videos: Saints 33, Redskins 30[/url]

Watch this clip and think... If Devon Thomas played like this all season, how many wins would we have? If we let Laron be more like Sean Taylor and had a more Ryan clark like person behind him, maybe he would have more GOOD highlights and fewer Roger's like coverage mistakes. If we had a better man that whoever that Moore chump is, then maybe the backfield would be as solid as the d-line and backers that made the saints running attack look like crap and render Reggie Bush useless. You see JC making quick reads and gettign the ball out, only THIS time Thomas is CATCHING them instead of flailing his arms and then falling. You may even think, Hmm... did our kicker just miss the wimpiest of chip shots?

Landry aint the best, but he's better than the others on the squad. We need another Safety, but to drop him will only make us need two. We haev enough needs than to just add another.

Oh, and stop exaggerating how many plays Albert misses and stop saying he's always on his back. Don't pretend Carter went from crap to sack-master on his own. Don't pretend that orakpo got his 11 alone either. Haynesworth was right about our defense and he's right about how he's used. You call it a complaint and pretend he's done it a lot. I call it one time of speaking your mind being turned into 'something to talk about'.

Oh... and don't forget that Sellers fumble in the end that ended what would/could/should've been Jason's big comeback win.

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[url=http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=51268]Rumors on New Orleans Radio - hailRedskins.com Fan Board[/url]

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I'm not sensing any mending of fences, more like throwing someone under it.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;683885][url=http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=51268]Rumors on New Orleans Radio - hailRedskins.com Fan Board[/url][/quote]

If Bushrod and a 2 happens, I'll be happy as both a Saints and a Skins fan. I don't hate Haynesworth like a lot of others on this board, but if he can be traded and it will make the team better, then I have no problem saying good bye. Especially not now that the Skins switched to a defense that doesn't really suit his talents.

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I like it. Maybe they are just saying they were thrown into the talks to give them a little hint to step the eff up and play ball. Both seem like they need a little kick in the ass every now and then to get straight again.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;683885][url=http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=51268]Rumors on New Orleans Radio - hailRedskins.com Fan Board[/url][/quote]

Interesting. Pretty close to what I've heard. Except I've never heard Haynesworth mentioned as the player that would go from here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;683908]Interesting. Pretty close to what I've heard. Except I've never heard Haynesworth mentioned as the player that would go from here.[/quote]

Well, now I'm really interested. I'd like to see either of these guys end up in Washington, regardless of what happens with Okung. I also don't think it would be the end of the world if Bulaga or Williams were the pick, but I'd take Bushrod and a 2, put him at RT and start the rookie at LT.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;683343]if we could trade AH for a top 40 pick or an under-28 starting-caliber lineman, i would be a very happy camper.[/quote]

The problem is the Skins sign these guys to outrageous contracts that make them impossible to trade because no team wants to take on that kind on contractual burden.

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[quote=Ruhskins;683339]I think the media (i.e. ESPN980) is making a bigger deal than AH or Landry are. Honestly, it is a non-story in my opinion.[/quote]

Off-topic but is the avatar mutiny over???

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[quote=jdlea;683909]Well, now I'm really interested. I'd like to see either of these guys end up in Washington, regardless of what happens with Okung. I also don't think it would be the end of the world if Bulaga or Williams were the pick, but I'd take Bushrod and a 2, put him at RT and start the rookie at LT.[/quote]

What I've heard is something like Rogers for Brown, or Rogers and I think Montgomery for Bushrod and a 3rd or 4th. I think Haynesworth is just an internet rumor

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and landry and kelly for brandon marshall[/SIZE]

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[quote=SmootSmack;683916]What I've heard is something like Rogers for Brown, or Rogers and I think Montgomery for Bushrod and a 3rd or 4th. I think Haynesworth is just an internet rumor

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and landry and kelly for brandon marshall[/SIZE][/quote]

sometimes the font just isn't small enough, huh? trading for brandon marshall was one of the first things i thought we'd do after signing mcnabb, although i think it would require more than landry and kelly to get marshall. not sure id want to give up more for him than that, though. the idea of having marshall and thomas on the outside with tana in the slot is pretty sick, though. anything out there about trading one of our TEs?

thanks for posting brown and bushrod's player profiles. is there a reason neither of them show up on the teams roster page on nfl.com? (thats where i looked) also, how would either of them do in shanahan's scheme? personally, id rather do rogers and monty for bushrod and a 3rd/4th. he's younger and i'd love to have the 3rd or 4th.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;683885][url=http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=51268]Rumors on New Orleans Radio - hailRedskins.com Fan Board[/url][/quote]

If we traded Phat Albert for a quality Left Tackle I would be absolutely thrilled. And if a draft pick got thrown in too...wow this offseason just gets better and better

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[quote=SmootSmack;683916]What I've heard is something like Rogers for Brown, or Rogers and I think Montgomery for Bushrod and a 3rd or 4th. I think Haynesworth is just an internet rumor

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and landry and kelly for brandon marshall[/SIZE][/quote]

I'd actually do pretty much any of those in a heartbeat. Rogers for Brown or Rogers and Montgomery for Bushrod and a pick definitely makes both teams better. I'd be excited as both a Skins and Saints fan over either of those.

I will say that I'd rather not give up Landry and Kelly for Marshall because I think that it's selling low on two guys who could really have a resurgence/impact with the new regime, but I wouldn't hate the deal either.

I'm taking a "wait and see" approach with everything Shanahallen is doing right now, but I'd be encouraged if they can get Okung at 4 or trade back and get a pick in 2-4 range and still get Bulaga/Williams and trade Rogers & Montgomery for Bushrod (who I think would be a very good RT) and a pick.

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[quote=Chico23231;683930]If we traded Phat Albert for a quality Left Tackle I would be absolutely thrilled. And if a draft pick got thrown in too...wow this offseason just gets better and better[/quote]

I'd be extremely happy with that. Get Mccoy or Suh with the 4th pick to replace Albert and quality left tackle plus a 2nd round pick! I'd love that.

Good discussion here: [url=http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158701]Jammal Brown for Albert Haynesworth???? - SaintsReport Community Forums[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;683582]Once again, please someone tell me where Haynesworth has said something?

All he has said is that he'd prefer to play DE in the 3-4, but he will play whatever they have him play on defense (which I find it odd that people here who always quote the "square peg in round hole" cliche would disagree).

Haynesworth was here for the first day of "voluntary" workouts, and just as with some other players, he decided not to participate and told the team that he would workout on his own ahead of time. Shanahan, being no pushover of course said that he was disappointed, but he also said that he respected AH's decision.

I still don't see any drama here, and honestly people are just blowing things out of proportion. I recall the situation when Springs wasn't showing up for OTAs and Gibbs telling the press that he couldn't even get in touch with him and teammates like Phillip Daniel calling Springs out. Granted, that Springs wasn't given 41 mil guaranteed, but still people act like Haynesworth ran out of Redskins Park yelling and screaming.[/quote]

Let's just see where Al is when training camp starts. Last year is over with. But I don't want to see him crying about where they're going to play him when the season starts. You're getting 40 mil so do what the coaches tell you to do and be in tip top shape.

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i dont care whether Haynesworth is a problem here or not - i'd rather have a young, quality left tackle to protect mcnabb than have haynesworth play 3-4 NT or RDE 60% of our defensive snaps. we've switched to a 3-4 defense, which he doesnt really fit, and we just traded for a QB - and that trade will be for nothing if he's not protected.

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My only problem with getting rid of Haynesworth is due to the fact that Shanahan has had trouble with defense for a while now. I figured that getting Haynesworth would at least provide a high floor. Man Rolando McClain would be perfect for this team though but it sounds like we're not getting a first round pick.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;683929]sometimes the font just isn't small enough, huh? trading for brandon marshall was one of the first things i thought we'd do after signing mcnabb, although i think it would require more than landry and kelly to get marshall. not sure id want to give up more for him than that, though. the idea of having marshall and thomas on the outside with tana in the slot is pretty sick, though. anything out there about trading one of our TEs?

thanks for posting brown and bushrod's player profiles. is there a reason neither of them show up on the teams roster page on nfl.com? (thats where i looked) also, how would either of them do in shanahan's scheme? personally, id rather do rogers and monty for bushrod and a 3rd/4th. he's younger and i'd love to have the 3rd or 4th.[/quote]
could be because they're RFA's.. they usually separate those out.. not sure about on NFL.com but on the team pages, wiki, etc

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Fences to mend? The only fence to mend is shipping that "fat fuck" out of town. What a waste of money (once again).

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[quote=Dirtbag359;684214]My only problem with getting rid of Haynesworth is due to the fact that Shanahan has had trouble with defense for a while now. I figured that getting Haynesworth would at least provide a high floor. Man Rolando McClain would be perfect for this team though but it sounds like we're not getting a first round pick.[/quote]

well if we got a 2nd for haynesworth and traded down with a team like sanfrancisco, we could certainly use one of those picks on McClain. I have the feeling the skins (and other teams) are going to be very very busy in the weeks leading up to, and during, the draft.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;684244]Fences to mend? The only fence to mend is shipping that "fat fuck" out of town. What a waste of money (once again).[/quote]

Yeah, our sacks were cut in half when fatso came in and did absolutely nothing! :doh:

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[quote=Buster;684288]Yeah, our sacks were cut in half when fatso came in and did absolutely nothing! :doh:[/quote]

I never said that he didn't make a difference, the problem is he is getting a lot money and not living to expectations, has his own agenda which includes not listening to the new coach and also not being a team player.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;684351]I never said that he didn't make a difference, the problem is he is getting a lot money and not living to expectations, has his own agenda which includes not listening to the new coach and also not being a team player.[/quote]

A) the money is between him and the team - who cares
B) He met people's expectations for those who were expecting him to be the player he always has been, he didn't meet the expectations of people who thought his price tag reflected a change from who he was
C) What does it mean to have his own agenda?
D) He came in the first day - thus he listened to the coach literally, not necessarily in spirit
E) I guess he's not, but he is still a team player on the field and at mandatory practices.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;684368]A) the money is between him and the team - who cares
B) He met people's expectations for those who were expecting him to be the player he always has been, he didn't meet the expectations of people who thought his price tag reflected a change from who he was
C) What does it mean to have his own agenda?
D) He came in the first day - thus he listened to the coach literally, not necessarily in spirit
E) I guess he's not, but he is still a team player on the field and at mandatory practices.[/quote]

Then why are Shanahan and Bruce Allen shopping him around? Something is fishy around here.

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Haynesworth is very risk-averse after last season. That has begun his undoing. I like him and I think he's a stud, but Shanahan will boot him like he has done with others unless he simply can't move him.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;684373]Then why are Shanahan and Bruce Allen shopping him around? Something is fishy around here.[/quote]
might not be the best fit for their scheme.. most potential return

we're not the only team that pulls these moves

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;684373]Then why are Shanahan and Bruce Allen shopping him around? Something is fishy around here.[/quote]

Well, I think not showing up for the later dates did tick Shanny off, and at the least he wants AH to know he can be traded. And BA is clearly calling, checking seeing what he can get for who. It's called due diligence. And finally, I don't think Shanny is tied to any player on this team at this point except DMcNabb. That's his guy, everyone else, the team is bigger than the player.