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gotta start stocking picks for next year and doing something we normally do...build through the draft.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

Colt Brennan is better than Clausen, so we don't need to draft him. also, I would trade Haynesworth in a NY minute if we could get a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him. But TN doesn't want him, so I doubt if we can get anything of value for him. WE're stuck with the 3 picks we have left.

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[quote=tootergray34;693118]yeah but towards the end of the round? I'd say a 2nd this year and a
2nd in 2011 would be better.[/quote]

I dont know if i'd want a future 2nd from the Saints. If we sent them Haynesworth, we'd only be making the best team in the NFL better in 2010... so the 2011 2nd rounder would probably be close to the bottom of the round. Add to that the devaluation of future picks, combined with the significantly weaker draft class in 2011 and the Saints 2010 3rd rounder has MUCH more value than their 2011 2nd.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=tootergray34;693121]gotta start stocking picks for next year and doing something we normally do...build through the draft.[/quote] Is there going to be a next year?

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;693117]That would be like a 3rd and a 4th. Just say No!! unless Jaamal Brown is also included.[/quote]

Keep in mind this is a very deep draft so it's possible that a late 3rd is more like a mid third and a late 4th in a mid 4th. Sort of like how the guys at the top of the 2nd round right now essentially have 1st round picks. I want to go on record now as saying that the Skins 4th round pick will be Montario Hardesty for two reasons. One he visited and two:
[quote]Vision/Patience -1 - Arguably greatest strength. Stays poised and does a good job of adjusting when defense gets good initial penetration. Patient and keeps head up so can locate another seam when the play is designed to go in a gap that doesn't open. Gets on the hip of lead blockers.[/quote]

He does have durability problems though and there is a part of me that still thinks that 4th round pick will be a QB but we'll see.

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[quote=SmootSmack;693091]Vikes still have Sage don't they?[/quote]

Valid point. Forgot about him. I'm not sure he is their QB of the future either though??? I'd think of him more of a stop gap too. I mean, he worked out well in Washington didn't he?

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[quote=SmootSmack;693110]Um Kindle? What am I Smootstradamus?[/quote]

Doesn't Miami have a top 8 tonight, and it's AFC East, and I would like to get one over on Bill Parcells, so I was hoping maybe we were doing something with them:)

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=tootergray34;693118]yeah but towards the end of the round? I'd say a 2nd this year and a
2nd in 2011 would be better.[/quote]

It's a deep draft, there are quality guys through the entire 3rd in my opinion.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=JLee9718;693123]Colt Brennan is better than Clausen, so we don't need to draft him. also, I would trade Haynesworth in a NY minute if we could get a 2nd and 3rd round pick for him. But TN doesn't want him, so I doubt if we can get anything of value for him. WE're stuck with the 3 picks we have left.[/quote]

colt brennan > clausen? really?

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

There is a up date on that Saints would part with Patrick Robinson[thier 1st round pick] and a 2nd or 3rd for big Al. I know this could be made up stuff but ESPN said there is some kind of talks going on between the Skins and Saints!

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;693133]Doesn't Miami have a top 8 tonight, and it's AFC East, and I would like to get one over on Bill Parcells, so I was hoping maybe we were doing something with them:)[/quote]

Haha....no

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;693140]Haha....no[/quote] You always get the bad end of Big Bill!

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;693140]Haha....no[/quote]

Maybe we could trade for CJ Spiller. Then draft Jevan Snead in the 4th and John Skelton in the 5th.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=SkinzWin;693089]I disagree.

The Vikes have given TJ a shot and he did not keep the job. That's why they got Favre. I don't see him being a solution for a long term starter at QB in the eyes of the Vikings. Drafting Clausen #34 and giving him a year behind Favre and then turning it over to him with an already well established offense would be an ideal situation for them IMO.

I think the Browns signed Jake Delhome as a very temporary stop gap. It seems the best plan would be to draft a QB in this draft. Let me learn behind Jake for a season, or half a season if he falters early on, and then turn it over. I would feel much safer with Campbell as an option than Delhome.

The Panthers got rid of Delhome because he sucks, not b/c they have sooo much confidence in Moore IMO. I would feel safer about having Moore and Campbell instead of Moore by himself, who is an unproven players with the exception of a few good starts in relief.

I feel like there is a good enough market to move Campbell. I feel it would be best for him and the Redskins. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later in the 2nd round. HTTR.[/quote]

1. TJ did not lose his job, the Vikings upgraded the position. Once HOF legend Favre finally retires it is TJ's team again.

2. My definition of stop gap is different from yours. I believe that stop gap is a one year thing. I believe that Delhome has solidified the QB position in Cleveland for possibly 2-4 years.

3. Delhome does not necessarily suck, he had a bad year and got hurt in the middle of it. If he sucked then the Panthers would not have given him that fat contract right before last season. The Panthers obviously believe that based on performance that Moore has the potential to be as good as Delhome. Given that he is younger, cheaper, and the fact that it is an uncapped year it just made sense to release Delhome without a penalty.

4. There is a market to move Campbell but we would have to accept far less than what he is really worth. In my mind he is worth a late 3rd or early to mid 4th. Right now the market is trying to dictate more like a late 4th early 5th.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

I wondered if the Saints would be interested in AH. Along w/Grilliams' former players Rocky & Landry, I thought they might enter into discussions for AH.

A fair & mutually beneficial deal would be; J. Brown for AH, NO pays us half of the 21 mil that we paid AH, and we in turn sign J. Brown to a contract extension. Both teams would essentially be re-signing the other's vet player.

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[quote=freddyg12;693155]I wondered if the Saints would be interested in AH. Along w/Grilliams' former players Rocky & Landry, I thought they might enter into discussions for AH.

A fair & mutually beneficial deal would be; J. Brown for AH, NO pays us half of the 21 mil that we paid AH, and we in turn sign J. Brown to a contract extension. Both teams would essentially be re-signing the other's vet player.[/quote]

The only place Haynesworth is going is to the Dallas backfield in week 1.

On as side note, I am going to go King Kong on New York if I see this quote posted by Matt Mosley for Haynesworth rumors on ESPN Insider:
[quote]Matt Mosley
I could still see this happening
"For the record, I still think the Redskins would entertain offers for Haynesworth. I sat at a breakfast table with Mike Shanahan at the owners meeting and heard the tone in his voice when he discussed Haynesworth's decision to skip the offseason conditioning program. He feels like Haynesworth has already defied him in front of the team, and that's part of why he's already tried to trade him at least once."[/quote]
New spin on the same rehashed story, same freaking quote.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=freddyg12;693155]I wondered if the Saints would be interested in AH. Along w/Grilliams' former players Rocky & Landry, I thought they might enter into discussions for AH.

A fair & mutually beneficial deal would be; J. Brown for AH, NO pays us half of the 21 mil that we paid AH, and we in turn sign J. Brown to a contract extension. Both teams would essentially be re-signing the other's vet player.[/quote]

Jamaal Brown would be our other Tackle that we need! To get a pick with him would allow us to go after another LB or FS. That would be worth it, but Haynesworth is a big loss.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

Lets just keep our players. Landry, Haynesworth, and McIntosh should all have productive season this year. Campbell is the only one we should be looking to trade.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;693164]Lets just keep our players. Landry, Haynesworth, and McIntosh should all have productive season this year. Campbell is the only one we should be looking to trade.[/quote]

If we did what you suggest then we are the Skins of old!!

If they f--- Up then they are out...if you act up your out... if you don't play well your out!

The new admin expects nothing less... This is the one thing that past admins have not done even when they wanted...including Gibbs! That is why I am optimistic of the future!

I think AH is a beast but he is acting up...bye!!!

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=Angry;693153]1. TJ did not lose his job, the Vikings upgraded the position. Once HOF legend Favre finally retires it is TJ's team again.

2. My definition of stop gap is different from yours. I believe that stop gap is a one year thing. I believe that Delhome has solidified the QB position in Cleveland for possibly 2-4 years.

3. Delhome does not necessarily suck, he had a bad year and got hurt in the middle of it. If he sucked then the Panthers would not have given him that fat contract right before last season. The Panthers obviously believe that based on performance that Moore has the potential to be as good as Delhome. Given that he is younger, cheaper, and the fact that it is an uncapped year it just made sense to release Delhome without a penalty.

4. There is a market to move Campbell but we would have to accept far less than what he is really worth. In my mind he is worth a late 3rd or early to mid 4th. Right now the market is trying to dictate more like a late 4th early 5th.[/quote]

I agree with some of what you said but I also think he is worth more than a late 3rd to mid 4th. If McCoy and Clausen go in round 2 early enough then any other team in the draft that needs a QB would be much better off trading for Campbell. He would be better than any other QB left in the draft. The Skins don't have to trade him. They can keep him as the back up. So if teams want him I can see giving up a late 2nd or 3rd for him.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

Let's also keep in mind that the trading market for JC might be better during camp or early in the season. If we only get a late round pick for him, it might be worth the chance we take to hold onto him & see what happens as the season is underway. One injury could make a team desperate.

Also, if the new cba includes comp. picks then we could get a good one if JC leaves as an UFA after next year & starts somewhere.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;693161]The only place Haynesworth is going is to the Dallas backfield in week 1.

On as side note, I am going to go King Kong on New York if I see this quote posted by Matt Mosley for Haynesworth rumors on ESPN Insider:

New spin on the same rehashed story, same freaking quote.[/quote]

I don't know who/what to believe on the Haynesworth front, but it would seem pretty realistic to me that Shanny would rather have J. Brown then AH, all things being equal.

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[quote=2BIG2BSKINNY;693168]If we did what you suggest then we are the Skins of old!!

If they f--- Up then they are out...if you act up your out... if you don't play well your out!

The new admin expects nothing less... This is the one thing that past admins have not done even when they wanted...including Gibbs! That is why I am optimistic of the future![/quote]

What are we going to get in exchange for 3 veterans that have at one point or another shown they can produce? Maybe a 5th or a 6th round pick. Thats not worth it just for the sake of being with the cool kids collecting picks. Having draft picks is nice but it's not like the ones we've traded for this year have been wasted.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=Buster;693163]Jamaal Brown would be our other Tackle that we need! To get a pick with him would allow us to go after another LB or FS. That would be worth it, but Haynesworth is a big loss.[/quote] There is also talk that the Vikings,Saints and Redskins are talking about a trade with big Al. Vikings like the CB that the Saints picked Robinson last night. OT Brown would come to the Skins and picks from both the Saints and Vikings would come Washingtons way. Seems like a lot to happen but who knows. Never thought McNabb would be a Redskins eaither!

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Something eles out there is it being reported out here on the left coast on KNBR that the Raiders would like to trade LB K.Morrison and the Redskins are in talks. J.Campbell has also be in the talks as well...Is Morrison a good fit for the Redskins? Would you make that trade JC for KM?

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[quote=RedskinPete;693186]Something eles out there is it being reported out here on the left coast on KNBR that the Raiders would like to trade LB K.Morrison and the Redskins are in talks. J.Campbell has also be in the talks as well...Is Morrison a good fit for the Redskins? Would you make that trade JC for KM?[/quote]

Yes, Morrison is a very good fit. 133 tackles last year:
[quote]2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 78 | Key

Comment: Morrison is an extremely instinctive LB who has the size, strength and speed to make plays all over the field. He is very quick to read and react. He's physical against the run and is a good solid tackler. Morrison can take on and shed blocks quickly. He has good lateral quickness and is agile enough in space to make plays against quick change-of-direction runners. He knows how to play with knee bend and he uses his hands well play off contact. In passing situations, he does a good job of gaining depth quickly and reacting to patterns in zone situations. He can anticipate and get a good break on the short to intermediate throws. He is a player that should continue to contribute at a high level and does not get enough credit for his production.[/quote]
Keep in mind 78 is a pretty high rating on Scouts Inc. Ryan Clady is a 79 as was Samuels. Rocky McIntosh is another player they could use. Raiders need a SAM linebacker and Rocky has experience at that spot. Campbell and Rocky for Morrison is a trade I could get on board with. Otherwise I would rather keep Rocky and see if he play ILB.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=RedskinPete;693186]Something eles out there is it being reported out here on the left coast on KNBR that the Raiders would like to trade LB K.Morrison and the Redskins are in talks. J.Campbell has also be in the talks as well...Is Morrison a good fit for the Redskins? Would you make that trade JC for KM?[/quote]
Strange they'd add a solid LB and give one away at the same time. How are they supposed to build a better D without accumulating talent?

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[quote=Buster;693193]Strange they'd add a solid LB and give one away at the same time. How are they supposed to build a better D without accumulating talent?[/quote]

McClain is on par with Patrick Willis. Thats why they made the choice to go with McClain.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;693202]McClain is on par with Patrick Willis. Thats why they made the choice to go with McClain.[/quote]

I love McClain, in fact I was kinda hoping if we somehow ended up w/2 1st round picks that we could get him, but this pick was still a bit surprising. With Al Davis I guess that's part of what he tries to do.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

Morrison is a stud, I would trade him for McIntosh or Campbell.

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I feel sorry for McClain. He deserves better than Oakland. He would have looked great in b&g.

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JLC is not giving up on the Haynesworth story.

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[quote=Lotus;693209]I feel sorry for McClain. He deserves better than Oakland. He would have looked great in b&g.[/quote]

Actually if you look at Oakland they have a very nice D. They've recently picked up Groves, Wimbley. They beat some good teams last year and could surprise this year. The other player I like, would be Thomas Howard also a LB with the Raiders.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

[quote=RedskinPete;693186]Something eles out there is it being reported out here on the left coast on KNBR that the Raiders would like to trade LB K.Morrison and the Redskins are in talks. J.Campbell has also be in the talks as well...Is Morrison a good fit for the Redskins? Would you make that trade JC for KM?[/quote]

They've been shopping Morrison for a while, with no takers. I think he's pretty decent, but for some reason teams don't like him. Or it could be more a product of teams figuring KM will just be released at some point.

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Some SEC love:
[url=http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/04/17/1152063/lsu-churns-out-nfl-players-but.html]LSU churns out NFL players, but they aren’t living up to expectations | NFL - The News Tribune[/url]

A little on Landry
[quote]The years passed. Again and again, NFL teams kept evaluating LSU players and seeing the one who might break the trend. They put in the time. Did the scouting. Made their grades. Marcus Spears was a can’t-miss. So was LaRon Landry. Dorsey, too. Bowe, Russell, Dorsey and Spears are among those who’ve been criticized for their conditioning habits. Others have been chided for work-ethic concerns. Their talent has spent years getting cold in the shadow of those worries.........

Yes, there are success stories. Cincinnati’s Andrew Whitworth is a reliable offensive lineman. Arizona receiver Early Doucet showed potential at the end of last season. Washington safety LaRon Landry has started 47 games in three seasons. The Chiefs remain hopeful that their LSU draft picks can right their wrongs.
[/quote]

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;692935]I want to know what everybody thinks we should do, me personnally do nothing no trades keep everyone we already have. Based on this draft there will be a decent amount of good players let go because some teams drafted best player instead of need IMO. Ala Buffalo, Raiders & Tenn to name a few they made good picks but they have adequate players at those positions already.

HTTR.[/quote]

You have just repeated the formula that we have been following for what, the past 10 years? Few real complete drafts with relying on FA acquisitions of other teams rejects? The best defensive players we have had in the past 10 years were all drafted (Bailey, Smoot, Taylor). Lavar was decent for us in the beginning also. Everyone we have acquired via free agency on both sides of the ball for the most part have underperformed with the exception of a healthy Randy Thomas and Santana Moss. Other than Moss, who has been the most productive pass catcher for us? Chris Cooley, one of our best draftees!! Our best offensive lineman was also a product of the draft. Sorry Charlie, but we trade JC and AH for as many picks as possible before 6pm tonight or our rebuilding efforts go to shit for another year.

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

Morrison and the 2nd round pick plus 3rd round pick next year. for JC and Haynesworth. Think the Raiders would pull the trigger?

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

wow

[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/693225-post117.html"]http://www.thewarpath.net/693225-post117.html[/URL]

[quote=SmootSmack;693225]Titans deal could be close. They need to make one other move first (unless the Skins are willing to settle) and when that deal closes, and it should from what I hear, it will open things up for a trade to TN.

Perhaps not coincidentally, Big Al's agent was talking with Titans officials this morning (reportedly)

Still at least one other team involved potentially[/quote]

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

Nevermind Kindle to the Dolphins, looks like they may have just traded their 5th for Cliff Avril (in which case they won't need Kindle)

Re: Day 2, rds 2 & 3.
 

good grief. how can the bills pass on both clausen and Mccoy in the 2nd? where the heck will those two end up?