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lol just answer the question 53 ya smart ass

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This is becoming the type of distraction the Redskins don't need right now. I hope they can just find a way to get this guy out of town. If we can get a conditional second, I think the Skins will move him.

I'd much rather that he was here making the team better but it seems he's not too worried about the team right now, so why should the team worry about him.

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:lol: Gotcha mountain. :)

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[quote=over the mountain;699929]To all of you who think people like me are just getting "our panties in a bunch", what is going to motivate AH to be in prime shape and give the skins his 100% effort this season?

the 3.8 million he is set to make this year and the next few years?

I think anyone who doesnt see the writing on the wall in this situation is being overly optimistic.

would i love AH to honor the remainder of his contract? a big f'in yes

do i think AH is going to play 100% for 3.8 million a year for the next 3 years? hell f'in no

sometimes you all just like to stick your head in the sand and not worry about anything until shit hits you in the face.[/quote]
wow, like me flippin a bird at AH now will make me feel better when in 2 years we cut him because he hasn't played up to his expectations? I get that the purpose of this board is to express our frustrations, but I tend to think people who are freaking out over AH missing VOLUNTARY work outs, are simply doing so in order to say I told you so when it happens.

Maybe AH thinks that because he doesn't go to U of T anymore he's not a volunteer. Maybe this is all just a simple confusion based on his college team's name. Somebody call him up and tell him once a volunteer, always a volunteer.

Then we can put this to rest

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;699939]wow, like me flippin a bird at AH now will make me feel better when in 2 years we cut him because he hasn't played up to his expectations? I get that the purpose of this board is to express our frustrations, but I tend to think people who are freaking out over AH missing VOLUNTARY work outs, are simply doing so in order to say I told you so when it happens.

[B]Maybe AH thinks that because he doesn't go to U of T anymore he's not a volunteer. Maybe this is all just a simple confusion based on his college team's name. Somebody call him up and tell him once a volunteer, always a volunteer.[/B]

Then we can put this to rest[/quote]

I think we finally have a logical solution to this. Good work CRR. For every problem there is a solution.

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[quote=53Fan;699931]It would be hard for shit to hit you in the face while your head's in the sand wouldn't it Mountain?[/quote]

Well it depends how far in the sand your head is, plus the speed at which the shit is being thrown at you. Although getting hit by shit in any part of the body would be bad either way. LOL.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;699939]wow, like me flippin a bird at AH now will make me feel better when in 2 years we cut him because he hasn't played up to his expectations? I get that the purpose of this board is to express our frustrations, but I tend to think people who are freaking out over AH missing VOLUNTARY work outs, are simply doing so in order to say I told you so when it happens.

Maybe AH thinks that because he doesn't go to U of T anymore he's not a volunteer. Maybe this is all just a simple confusion based on his college team's name. Somebody call him up and tell him once a volunteer, always a volunteer.

Then we can put this to rest[/quote]

No, no, no...it's not that he's just missing voluntary workouts; why do we keep missing the point?

The dude is beefing with the coaching staff while he's missing voluntary workouts. He's publicly stated he doesn't want to play NT, so how does missing workouts make you more prepared to do something the coaching staff plan on implementing regardless? If there's any year that he needs to be in camp a little early, it's this year! That's the point.

It behooves Haynesworth, in the interest of making the Redskins a better team, to learn every facet of Hasslet's scheme sooner rather than later. The first time Fat Al gets winded or limps off the field, twists an ankle --anything-- this city will eat him alive Monday morning.

The only way this shit goes away if a) The Redskins exceed expectations and turn in a playoff year, or b) Haynesworth has a monster year. And I'm talking Reggie White monster year. Anything less and the shit hits the fan.

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[quote=12thMan;699945]No, no, no...it's not that he's just missing voluntary workouts; why do we keep missing the point?

[B]The dude is beefing with the coaching staff while he's missing voluntary workouts. He's publicly stated he doesn't want to play NT, so how does missing workouts make you more prepared to do something the coaching staff plan on implementing regardless? If there's any year that he needs to be in camp a little early, it's this year! That's the point. [/B]

It behooves Haynesworth, in the interest of making the Redskins a better team, to learn every facet of Hasslet's scheme sooner rather than later. The first time Fat Al gets winded or limps off the field, twists an ankle --anything-- this city will eat him alive Monday morning.

The only way this shit goes away if a) The Redskins exceed expectations and turn in a playoff year, or b) Haynesworth has a monster year. And I'm talking Reggie White monster year. Anything less and the shit hits the fan.[/quote]

You sure about all that?

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Can anyone please please please link an article which says AH is upset about NT? He said he wasnt thrilled about it, but will play whatever he is asked to play by the coaches.

Furthermore, he has stated he is doing this offseason plan as he feels it got him in shape in TN.

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Am I missing something here?

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missing voluntary workouts is the symptom, the underlying problem is that AH does not want to be here for monetary reasons.

maybe people are lining up to be first to say i told you so.

My told you so is that AH and his agent agreed to the contract because he would be able to collect an unprecendented 32+ million dollars for 13 months of work then force his way out of DC and into a new mega contract with another team.

I find my told you so interesting. Noone wants to devel into it more than to say "AH is a cancer" or "its just mandatory". i get it and ill drop my repeated opinion on this subject.

none of yall found the ethical dilemnas of tampering interesting either or the fact that an aging back with declining production has an escalating salary either . .

man i sound like a lil bitch right now, my bad yall

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[quote=hooskins;699949]Can anyone please please please link an article which says AH is upset about NT? He said he wasnt thrilled about it, but will play whatever he is asked to play by the coaches.

Furthermore, he has stated he is doing this offseason plan as he feels it got him in shape in TN.[/quote]

so if all of that is true, then that explains why he hasnt been at OTAs. But why didnt he show up for mini-camp? its not like coming to town for 3 days would have destroyed his entire offseason plan in TN?

Of course, publicly, Haynesworth is going to say all the right things. if he wasn't, he'd look like a problem-child and damage his trade value. however, actions speak louder than words. If Haynesworth were serious about becoming a better player and doing whatever the coaches asked him to do, then he'd, you know, do what theyve asked him to do and show for camp with the rest of the team.

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[quote=SmootSmack;699947]You sure about all that?[/quote]


100% sure, no. Is Albert on record saying he doesn't want to (or prefers not to) play NT, yeah.

As far as him and the staff beefing, well, what other conclusion should we draw after Shanny and Bruce Allen wanted the entire team here for voluntary workouts and AH wasn't here. As far as I'm concerned that's a problem. And the trade rumors aren't out of thin air, had the right deal come along Haynesworth would be history.

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Looking on the brighter side, notice that Rocky and Carlos both have taken part in team activities despite being RFA's. Also notice that the Vikes' Ray Edwards, in the same position, isn't doing even "mandatory" stuff.

[url=http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/Access_Vikings.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUgOy9cP3DieyckcUsI]Access Vikings | StarTribune.com[/url]

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[quote=over the mountain;699952]missing voluntary workouts is the symptom, the underlying problem is that AH does not want to be here for monetary reasons.

maybe people are lining up to be first to say i told you so.

My told you so is that AH and his agent agreed to the contract because he would be able to collect an unprecendented 32+ million dollars for 13 months of work then force his way out of DC and into a new mega contract with another team.

I find my told you so interesting. Noone wants to devel into it more than to say "AH is a cancer" or "its just mandatory". i get it and ill drop my repeated opinion on this subject.

none of yall found the ethical dilemnas of tampering interesting either or the fact that an aging back with declining production has an escalating salary either . .

man i sound like a lil bitch right now, my bad yall[/quote]

I understand what you're saying Mountain, but if him OR his agent think they can hop around from team to team getting that kind of money, they're out of their freakin' minds. He would have needed a better year than what he had last year for to be considered for a mega contract from another team. I think if he didn't feel he could get in better shape with his own trainer, the one he trained with when he made the Pro Bowls, and he didn't feel he was being jerked around with position changes, only speculation, he would be here for these workouts.

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[quote=Defensewins;699919]Your analogy is incorrect. I think a more accurate one would be.....'during our [B]summer vacation period [/B]while the plant is closed, our company is offering voluntary training for all employees for the purpose of self improvement. While this training is free and beneficial to your career, it is not mandatory, it is voluntary. But if you do not attend this voluntary training your boss will publicly point you out and make you public enemy #1. But this how NFL coaches behave.[/quote]I think my analog is a lot closer to reality than yours is. Here's why:

- MS didn't start off OTAs right away, there was a "vacation period".
- The purpose of the OTAs is not self-improvement, it's for the improvement of the team. For the team to perform to its maximum potential all parts need to be in place for these OTAs or there will not be "maximum potential".
- While the training is voluntary, every other player made the committment to be there.

I understand AH doesn't have to be there, and I can understand not having loyalty to the employer who paid him an obscene amount of money even by NFL standards, but when every other teammate is there and you have no loyalty to the guys next to you play-in and play-out....then as I said he's "a selfish person with no loyalty to your teammates or the organization. Period, end of story."

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Damn, this thread just keeps going and going. Maybe we should treat these threads like the Off-Season Rumors and Reports thread.

"Albert Haynesworth Bitch Session: Week 1" "Albert Haynesworth Bitch Session: Week 2"...there will be no Week 6 or 7, and 8 is just a sideways infinity sign

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You know we love to bitch, right?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;699922]Now to use an analogy where I just said they weren't applicable. If one of a sales team's top sales makers accomplished the impressive numbers but never came to the sales rah rah meetings sure the others would be upset, and management would rattle their fist, but in the end the top money maker would be allowed to follow their plan because the company is making beaucoup bucks off of him. Likewise, AH can act ridiculous because the Skins make beaucoup bucks off of marketing, and even the publicity of AH will make for great drama in the regular season.[/quote]Let me throw another analogy at you, from firsthand experience.....Going to your scenario of sales, let's say technical sales (IT, telecom, whatever). In these type of sales you have several different teams supporting the project; Outside Sales, Inside Sales, Proposals, Project Management, Engineering, etc. If that same top salesmaker (Outside Sales) is a primadonna and doesn't support the rest of the team beacuse he's a superstar and his $hit don't stink, you can be sure the rest of the team will notice that action and when they're called upon to go "above and beyond" for that particular salesguy, they won't. Conversely, if the salesguy is "one of the guys" and spends extra time working with the support teams, when they are needed they will "run through walls" for that salesguy.

AH is a "me first" dude, it can't be spun any other way.

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It's probably not right, but this would bother me more if it wasn't known for years that Haynesworth is like this, that he marches to his own beat. And it would bother me more if he hadn't told Shanahan from the get go that he wouldn't be there. I mean this isn't a case of a guy who always showed up all the time throughout his career and now suddenly is deciding to try things his own way, and this isn't a case of a guy not answering his phone while working out on his own in Arizona or Miami (or wherever)

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[quote=over the mountain;699929]To all of you who think people like me are just getting "our panties in a bunch", what is going to motivate AH to be in prime shape and give the skins his 100% effort this season?

the 3.8 million he is set to make this year and the next few years?

I think anyone who doesnt see the writing on the wall in this situation is being overly optimistic.

would i love AH to honor the remainder of his contract? a big f'in yes

do i think AH is going to play 100% for 3.8 million a year for the next 3 years? hell f'in no

sometimes you all just like to stick your head in the sand and not worry about anything until shit hits you in the face.[/quote]

Ok lets say I just pulled my head out of the sand and shit has not hit the fan. So now what can I do?

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The Steelers just had a mandatory workouts but we are still doing voluntary ones. Who decides when a team can hold them?

I was under the impression that all teams had to wait till June. It would be nice to have a mandatory one to see AH and his conditioning and so we can finally hear from him and his thoughts on the new scheme instead of all the speculations.

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[quote=SmootSmack;699964]Damn, this thread just keeps going and going. Maybe we should treat these threads like the Off-Season Rumors and Reports thread.

"Albert Haynesworth Bitch Session: Week 1" "Albert Haynesworth Bitch Session: Week 2"...there will be no Week 6 or 7, and 8 is just a sideways infinity sign[/quote]

Honestly people need to get over AH not working out w/ the team, including his teammates. It is what it is. Hopefully he'll show up for some of the OTA stuff when they're installing the defense. That way at least he'll know where he's going to line up. But if he comes in at training camp and he's in shape and rebounds w/ a good year no one is going to care about the off season. If he plays like he did last year then he's really going to be miserable here cause the fans and the media are going to be all over him.

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[quote=hooskins;699950]Am I missing something here?[/quote]\




[B]Teammates to Albert Haynesworth: You should be at Redskins Park[/B]

[B][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/09/AR2010050903014.html?sub=AR]washingtonpost.com[/url][/B]

[SIZE=2]By [URL="http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/articles/mike+wise/"][COLOR=#0c4790]Mike Wise[/COLOR][/URL][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Monday, May 10, 2010 [/SIZE]

Albert Haynesworth couldn't stand John Palermo, his defensive line coach last season, and therefore wasn't a big fan of practice. But even teammates could not believe his abject apathy as he sat on the side of the field while they were going through drills on one day last season, when Big Al had another little "owie."
"My ankle hurts," he complained in that soft, lilting voice that makes coaches lose their minds.
Phillip Daniels was playing through a torn biceps tendon that day. Another player later remarked, "I think that's the same day I was practicing with three cracked ribs."
I could make a lot of bad jokes about Haynesworth's ballooning weight and physical fitness, mostly his lack thereof. I could keep calling him Mr. Butterworth and Albert Ain'tworth and lace into the [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/sectionfront/index.html"][COLOR=#0c4790]Redskins[/COLOR][/URL]' previous regime for even offering this ingrate of a player a $100 million contract -- the largest ever signed by a defensive player in the NFL.
But all that would serve to do is get Big Al and his supporters angrier toward the press. And he gets to keep playing the victim while casting the media jackals as the perpetrators who just cannot understand why a man of his supreme size and talent is broken up about having to play in a new defensive scheme, so much so that he refuses to take part in any voluntary workouts with other veterans in Ashburn.
Instead, I'm going to cut deeper than that, right to the heart of the matter, to the only thing that may wake the man up from his selfish slumber:

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I'm not going to care about AH until he shows up for opening day out of shape and plays poorly. If he shows up in shape and performs on the field, we're all going to be eating crow for denouncing him this offseason.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/05/cooley_is_tired_of_haynesworth.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Cooley is tired of Haynesworth talk[/url]

On Haynesworth:
[quote]"He doesn't have to be here," Chris Cooley said, during an appearance on DC101's Elliot in the Morning. "And when the season starts, if he shows up and he's playing, no one's gonna give a damn what he did [in May]. Obviously he's gonna have to play for us. I mean, there's no way around it....

... I'm so tired of hearing about it, because he's still not doing anything wrong."[/quote]

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More crap.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/14008/is-redskins-dt-albert-haynesworth-a-bad-teammate]Is Albert Haynesworth a bad teammate? - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5176911]Albert Haynesworth's Washington Redskins 'mates call him out - ESPN[/url]

[quote=GridIron26;700067][url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/05/cooley_is_tired_of_haynesworth.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Cooley is tired of Haynesworth talk[/url]

On Haynesworth:[/quote]

I like this. Personally I'm not to crazy about all the players recently going public with their displeasure. It just adds more fuel to a fire that won't die.

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[quote=takethecake;700050]I'm not going to care about AH until he shows up for opening day out of shape and plays poorly. If he shows up in shape and performs on the field, we're all going to be eating crow for denouncing him this offseason.[/quote]

Not me I made this post on the 5/9/10

You guys sound like a women complaining about not getting what she wanted for her birthday. If he shows up and is out of shape come game day then bitch all you want but for now lets wait and see. Last season people bitched because they said he took to many plays off and was out of shape. Now that he says hea is working hard to get into shape the same people are bitching. If you reply to this post while at home maybe you should volunteer and go into work today.

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Sure they wish he would at camp, but I still dont see how they are up in arms and wont ever play well with AH again. Not too happy with the Post for this article. Also his teammates arent really calling him out. They were baited to give an answer on a pointed question.

No one came out anonymously and went to the media complaining about AH. They are saying that it would be better if he was heard. Well no crap captain obvious. He's doing his own thing.

I hope Cooley's feelings are aired on ESPN. They probably wont because its not the image of AH that they want to portray. I blame SS.

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Maybe not being mentioned here is the fact that the interests of the team and interests of Haynesworth aren't at all divergent. Sure, Shanahan prefers if AH is in camp with the rest of his teammates learning a defense that Jim Haslett is also learning to teach to him, as you would expect from a football coach.

Haynesworth needs to get his numbers because he has a sense of personal pride and a huge contract to live up to, so you better damn believe he's going to get his. And the Redskins need Haynesworth to get his numbers because they have very few people capable of getting that production. So the Redskins need Haynesworth to be in the best possible physical condition a lot more than they needed him at this last mini-camp.

I'm not sure those things are mutually exclusive, but I have little reason to doubt that AH is acting in both his best interest and the best long-term interest of the team.

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It would also seem to me, and I realize this is an apologist speaking, that everyone knows what AH does and doesn't bring, but we now have ALOT of new D Linemen that would be taking the majority of the snaps/work when there so that the coaches can evaluate them. I also still hold to my belief that AH is going to be used mainly when the D wants a fairly solid 4-3 look, with subs coming in the rest of the time. So while AH not being there for these early camps may hurt from the "team building" and public perception aspects, I am willing to bet a bunch that actual game performance isn't affected at all.

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To be clear, I am not defending AH. I think he should be here, but he is doing what he thinks is best for him. And once again for those who understand, it's NOT mandatory. The NFLPA has come to agreement with the NFL as to the number of mandatory workouts for vets and this isn't. He doesn't have to show.

If they want to make it mandatory, maybe the coaches should take it up with the NFL and have them negotiate it with the NFLPA.

Even if AH comes here and stinks it up, I am not going to eat crow and admit anything. As long as it isn't mandatory the play can do whatever he wants. Especially considering the fact he stunk it up when he was in Ashburn last year this time.

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The vinny avatar should be banned now, whenever i see it i get creeped out.

thanks for listening.

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[quote=GTripp0012;700101]Maybe not being mentioned here is the fact that the interests of the team and interests of Haynesworth aren't at all divergent. Sure, Shanahan prefers if AH is in camp with the rest of his teammates learning a defense that Jim Haslett is also learning to teach to him, as you would expect from a football coach.

Haynesworth needs to get his numbers because he has a sense of personal pride and a huge contract to live up to, so you better damn believe he's going to get his. And the Redskins need Haynesworth to get his numbers because they have very few people capable of getting that production. [B]So the Redskins need Haynesworth to be in the best possible physical condition a lot more than they needed him at this last mini-camp.[/B]

I'm not sure those things are mutually exclusive, but I have little reason to doubt that AH is acting in both his best interest and the best long-term interest of the team.[/quote]

i still don't understand why some people reason this way. If being in the best possible condition is the argument, then Haynesworth skipping voluntary workouts to work with his own physical trainer is understandable. However, failing to travel to DC for [I]three days [/I]for a team minicamp is not. Its not like 3 days away from his trainer would ruin this whole offseason workout regimine.

If Haynesworth really wanted to do what was best for both himself and the redskins, he would either:
1) be at all the team OTAs, or
2) work out on his own and come to all the minicamps.

Why is it so hard to accept the obvious - Haynesworth was not at minicamp because he is pissed with the team, does not like how they plan to use him, and is trying to force a trade (or perhaps pressure the skins into sticking with a 4-3).

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;700112]i still don't understand why some people reason this way. If being in the best possible condition is the argument, then Haynesworth skipping voluntary workouts to work with his own physical trainer is understandable. However, failing to travel to DC for [I]three days [/I]for a team minicamp is not. Its not like 3 days away from his trainer would ruin this whole offseason workout regimine.

If Haynesworth really wanted to do what was best for both himself and the redskins, he would either:
1) be at all the team OTAs, or
2) work out on his own and come to all the minicamps.

Why is it so hard to accept the obvious - Haynesworth was not at minicamp because he is pissed with the team, does not like how they plan to use him, and is trying to force a trade (or perhaps pressure the skins into sticking with a 4-3).[/quote]

And it is hard to understand why you think this is a big deal. But then again, if he is "forcing" the team to stick to the 4-3, actually I'd be all for that because I believe our team has no business being in the 3-4.

Everything that has come directly from Haynesworth himself says that he is not thrilled with the 3-4, but he'll play it. He also wishes they'd use him as a 3-4 DE and not a NT, which I agree. Is he trying to push for a trade? Probably, but it'd be smart for the team to keep him because given the perception of a problem (it is my believe) the team won't get a fair compensation.

Personally, I'd like to see this team use their players better. If this were any other player, we'd be having a discussion about this whole change to the 3-4, whether we should do it, and why do we keep having coaches that don't use their players to the best of their capacity. But since it's Haynesworth, the bitter girlfriends just keep hounding on just him being absent.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;700101]Maybe not being mentioned here is the fact that the interests of the team and interests of Haynesworth aren't at all divergent. Sure, Shanahan prefers if AH is in camp with the rest of his teammates learning a defense that Jim Haslett is also learning to teach to him, as you would expect from a football coach.

Haynesworth needs to get his numbers because he has a sense of personal pride and a huge contract to live up to, so you better damn believe he's going to get his. And the Redskins need Haynesworth to get his numbers because they have very few people capable of getting that production. So the Redskins need Haynesworth to be in the best possible physical condition a lot more than they needed him at this last mini-camp.

I'm not sure those things are mutually exclusive, but [B]I have little reason to doubt that AH is acting in both his best interest and the best long-term interest of the team[/B][B].[[/B]/QUOTE]

Yeah, he's the greatest! If only all the other players would be like him and care enough about the best long term interests of the team to stay away from the minicamps. But, alas, they don't - the selfish bastards!

OK, I'll grant you that he has the right to stay away. I'll even grant you that he's probably working out hard. But please don't try to turn his absence from a 3 day minicamp into a "AH is acting in the best interests of the team" argument. That's just not true.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;700116]Yeah, he's the greatest! If only all the other players would be like him and care enough about the best long term interests of the team to stay away from the minicamps. But, alas, they don't - the selfish bastards!

OK, I'll grant you that he has the right to stay away. I'll even grant you that he's probably working out hard. But please don't try to turn his absence from a 3 day minicamp into a "AH is acting in the best interests of the team" argument. That's just not true.[/quote]

I think the bitter girlfriends group need to write Roger Goodell and ask him to outlaw voluntary camps, and make all camps, OTAs, and workout sessions mandatory. I think this would solve this, and any problem.

On a serious note, I think this would not be a bad idea. I find "voluntary" sessions to be stupid, and the commotion they create in the media and fans is even worst.

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This "debate" really has ended up like the JC debate: the haters continually put out their reasons for hating, assuming that the non-haters need to be convinced, meanwhile the non-haters tend to agree with the basic principles of the haters while maintaining a positive overall view.
As it relates to this AH subject: I imagine 0% of the Warpath thinks AH is doing the best thing by staying away.

BUT, the haters group takes his staying away and makes argument after argument as to why this proves the absolute stupidity of a) AH, b) the FO, c) both, and vilifies everything that does not fit in their idea of the right move

AND, the non-haters group gets put in the corner of defending a) AH, b) the FO, c) both when in reality most non-haters are agreeable to the fact that both sides to one degree or another are at fault, but they hold off on pure condemnation.

Thus neither side gets the true capitulation it needs, and the debate can never really be resolved.

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nm: pic was probably better left in off topic zone