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If Joey is cut he will not go broke like others he invested his money wisely. He never blowed it on drugs & hoes. Plus we will see him on espn.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;709659]We don't need a receiver bad enough to trade for Vincent Jackson. Put it this way, a few years ago the Chiefs had the most proficient offense in the league. Their formula, an elite tight end, solid receivers, a pro bowl QB, and a devastating running game led by a great O-Line, all masterminded by a great offensive mind combination (Vermil/Saunders-Shanahan/Shanahan). Right now we have all of those pieces and then some (Fred Davis is the some).

NFL teams have proved time and time again that having elite receivers is something that's nice to have, not essential. Trading more draft picks to win the Super Bowl in 2010/11 is insane. I mean give us credit, we do have some time to build a team. Right now the only thing left to do is to get everyone on the same page with the offense.[/quote]

Another funny comment. Our O Line has went from the laughing stock of the league.....to......here it comes...............great!!!!



Inquirinig minds want to know, WHATS THE RECIPE!!!!!?????

- An unproven rookie at your most important position guarding an already injury prone, aging QB who most think his best days are behind him.

- Artis Hicks, a career MEDIOCRE BACKUP.

- Jamaal Brown, who sat out the ENTIRE year last year with a very serious injury.

- and Casey RABACH!!!!! LOL, RABACH!

- Add a pinch of Shannys special seasoning and conditioning, AND BOOM!!!
YOU GOT YOURSELVES A "GREAT" Offensive Line........

On a side note, any Offensive line unit who still has Stephon Heyer on their squad, even as a backup, has lost almost ALL chance of even being considered solid.

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Don't laugh but on NFL radio the other day they were talking about the possiblity that the Skins could have the best OL in the division this year. I don't think that's a crazy discussion either.

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[quote=Bigreds77;709740]If Joey is cut he will not go broke like others he invested his money wisely. [B]He never blowed[/B] it on drugs & hoes. Plus we will see him on espn.[/quote]

Emmitt? Is that you?

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[quote=Mechanix544;709877]Another funny comment. Our O Line has went from the laughing stock of the league.....to......here it comes...............great!!!!



Inquirinig minds want to know, WHATS THE RECIPE!!!!!?????

- An unproven rookie at your most important position guarding an already injury prone, aging QB who most think his best days are behind him.

- Artis Hicks, a career MEDIOCRE BACKUP.

- Jamaal Brown, who sat out the ENTIRE year last year with a very serious injury.

- and Casey RABACH!!!!! LOL, RABACH!

- Add a pinch of Shannys special seasoning and conditioning, AND BOOM!!!
YOU GOT YOURSELVES A "GREAT" Offensive Line........

On a side note, any Offensive line unit who still has Stephon Heyer on their squad, even as a backup, has lost almost ALL chance of even being considered solid.[/quote]

This post is a fail (aside from the Casey Rabach comment).

Artis Hicks is a better than mediocre backup.

Jamaal Brown was probably prematurely put on IR last year, given the fact that he could have played in the playoffs for NO. He had a hernia surgically repaired. So what? It's not like he's rehabbing a shredded knee or anything. The way I see it, he's got one more year of mileage on him, and is fresh as a daisy coming into camp. I think he'll be our best O-lineman this year.

Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid.

And stating that our O-line basically has no chance of being solid simply because Heyer is on the team has zero basis in fact.

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[quote=GMScud;709893]This post is a fail (aside from the Casey Rabach comment).

Artis Hicks is a better than mediocre backup.

Jamaal Brown was probably prematurely put on IR last year, given the fact that he could have played in the playoffs for NO. He had a hernia surgically repaired. So what? It's not like he's rehabbing a shredded knee or anything. The way I see it, he's got one more year of mileage on him, and is fresh as a daisy coming into camp. I think he'll be our best O-lineman this year.

Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid.

And stating that our O-line basically has no chance of being solid simply because Heyer is on the team has zero basis in fact.[/quote]

Agreed

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[quote=GMScud;709893]This post is a fail (aside from the Casey Rabach comment).

Artis Hicks is a better than mediocre backup.

Jamaal Brown was probably prematurely put on IR last year, given the fact that he could have played in the playoffs for NO. He had a hernia surgically repaired. So what? It's not like he's rehabbing a shredded knee or anything. The way I see it, he's got one more year of mileage on him, and is fresh as a daisy coming into camp. I think he'll be our best O-lineman this year.

Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid.

And stating that our O-line basically has no chance of being solid simply because Heyer is on the team has zero basis in fact.[/quote]

Peyton Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, Favre, Rogers, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Schaub, shit, even Romo and E. Manning.

That is a list of QB's that I would rather have under center for my team, solely based on skill and production, other than Donovan McNabb. The point I was trying to make is that people throw around the word "great" and "one of the best in the business" (wrong) too often. McNabb is not one of the best in the business. He is a servicable, capable veteran, but no longer one of the best. Shit, not even top 10 m8.

And saying that our line is "great", no matter who we have brought in, coaches or personnel, without seeing them play together as a unit, is just stupid in my opinion. I know being a fan is great and fun, just be realistic as well.

Our line couldn't get worse, and the moves we have made have a 100% chance of making us better than last year, definitely, but we are far, I repeat FAR from being considered great, far from even above average, no matter what the brilliant minds of NFL radio say or think.

PS - Heyer fuckin sucks, and as long as he is on the squad, credibility is lost. Sorry.

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[quote=Mechanix544;709920]Peyton Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, Favre, Rogers, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Schaub, shit, even Romo and E. Manning.

That is a list of QB's that I would rather have under center for my team, solely based on skill and production, other than Donovan McNabb. The point I was trying to make is that people throw around the word "great" and "one of the best in the business" (wrong) too often. McNabb is not one of the best in the business. He is a servicable, capable veteran, but no longer one of the best. Shit, not even top 10 m8.

And saying that our line is "great", no matter who we have brought in, coaches or personnel, without seeing them play together as a unit, is just stupid in my opinion. I know being a fan is great and fun, just be realistic as well.

Our line couldn't get worse, and the moves we have made have a 100% chance of making us better than last year, definitely, but we are far, I repeat FAR from being considered great, far from even above average, no matter what the brilliant minds of NFL radio say or think.

PS - Heyer fuckin sucks, and as long as he is on the squad, credibility is lost. Sorry.[/quote]

Completely agree.. The line is significantly better on paper but as of the posting of these comments, that's all it is, on paper.

Until they play against the likes of Umenyiora, Tuck, Ware and the other beasts we are about to see this season, let's keep the hyperbole to a minimum and say only there is reason to be optimistic.

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It's a ridiculously simple position to argue that we cannot judge this line since they have not played a snap, and then turn around and say this line has no credibility because Heyer is on it. First, you keep players on for bodies, Heyer is one of those. They won't cut him till they are required to, and why would they? If they need the roster space I am sure he is gone, but otherwise, his presence proves nothing pro or con about the OL. If he is on the team at final cut, THEN, your statement might have some validity.

As for this OL's ability, we have seen Jammal Brown, we know what he is capable of (Pro Bowl and all rookie team, either side of the line); Dockery is a solid professional by every indication; Rabach is a Skin, has been, and can play at the professional level consistently; RG has several options all who are healthy and capable; and RT has either a probowler in Jammal, or if TW doesn't hack it on the LT spot he certainly can play at the pro level on the RT spot. THIS is a FAR BETTER position than the Skins were in last year at this time. Further, EVEN the WORST case scenario, where TW falls to Right Guard (ugh), puts a capable LT in JB, LG is DD, C is Rabach, RG is TW, and RT is Hicks with Capers backing him up. Given where we were, this is an awesome upgrade.

And further I don't think people said the line is "Great" but it could easily be the best in the NFC East. Dallas has followed our example of ignoring the line for the Star positions, we know where that leads. Philly does not have a stand out line, or a probowler or recognized star, except JPeters who didn't have a good year last year; and the Giants, who may have a better line, are starting to show injury and age after several solid years of line play.

When BA said that upgrading the line could be done in one offseason, I kinda shook my head, but it seems like -- they Had a plan, they were patient, and they executed their plan. I can be optimistic about that!

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[quote=Mechanix544;709920]Peyton Manning, Brees, Rivers, Brady, Favre, Rogers, Rothlisberger, Ryan, Schaub, shit, even Romo and E. Manning.

That is a list of QB's that I would rather have under center for my team, solely based on skill and production, other than Donovan McNabb. The point I was trying to make is that people throw around the word "great" and "one of the best in the business" (wrong) too often. McNabb is not one of the best in the business. He is a servicable, capable veteran, but no longer one of the best. Shit, not even top 10 m8.

And saying that our line is "great", no matter who we have brought in, coaches or personnel, without seeing them play together as a unit, is just stupid in my opinion. I know being a fan is great and fun, just be realistic as well.

Our line couldn't get worse, and the moves we have made have a 100% chance of making us better than last year, definitely, but we are far, I repeat FAR from being considered great, far from even above average, no matter what the brilliant minds of NFL radio say or think.

PS - Heyer fuckin sucks, and as long as he is on the squad, credibility is lost. Sorry.[/quote]

Well, whether or not McNabb is one of "the best in the business" can be debated I guess, but my bet is if you ask a couple dozen random analysts and players, a pretty good majority would say he's still a top flight QB. Not top 5 (although some still argue that he is), but certainly top 10. I'll argue that all day. He's more than "serviceable." Jason Campbell is serviceable. Put it this way, he's one of the 10 best players on earth at his position. Is that good? Plus you argued that he's injury prone. The last three seasons he has not been at all.

Just because some mouth on NFL radio said our line is "great" doesn't mean that's the widely held opinion. I don't think anyone on this website or inside the organization is saying we're a "great" O-line. But vastly improved? No doubt.


Anyway- my point that your OP was a fail was because:
-You said McNabb was injury prone. 44 starts in the last 48 games says you're wrong.
-You said Artis Hicks isn't even a mediocre backup. That's just flat out wrong.
-You said J.Brown was coming off of a very serious injury. Repairing a hernia almost a year ago isn't "very serious" and is no threat to his 2010 season.
-And again, just because Heyer is on the roster doesn't mean this line can't ever be considered solid. That's just a dumb contension. Sorry.

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[quote=GMScud;709893]Yes McNabb is 33, but he's still one of the best in the business, and despite your injury comment, he's started 44 of the last 48 regular season games. Pretty solid. [/quote]I'm probably nitpicking GMScud today, especially since I'm largely in agreement with (t)his post, but when you have to frame McNabb's durability in the concept of the last three years, because he comes out in the bottom third of quarterbacks in durability when you talk about last year, or the last four years, or the last five years, seems like selective sampling.

The whole picture is this (I'm not going back past 2004, but you absolutely could without changing the results):

McNabb started the following % of his teams games:

2009: 88%
2008-09: 94%
2007-09: 92%
2006-09: 88%
2005-09: 81%
2004*-09: 84%

*I did not penalize McNabb for sitting the final game in 2004 on Coach's Decision. I just didn't count that one in games played.

McNabb misses almost two games a season -- for his career -- with injures. No matter how that's trended over the last three years, he's not going to get less injured as he gets older. He might play through more injuries...but I'd rather he not if it's going to hamper his effectiveness.

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McNabb's been less durable since turning 29 than over his career as a whole which makes sense. He'll probably be less durable over the final 4-5 years of his career than over the last 5. That's just common sense telling me that, not a soothsayer.

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[quote=GTripp0012;709987]I'm probably nitpicking GMScud today, especially since I'm largely in agreement with (t)his post, but when you have to frame McNabb's durability in the concept of the last three years, because he comes out in the bottom third of quarterbacks in durability when you talk about last year, or the last four years, or the last five years, seems like selective sampling.

The whole picture is this (I'm not going back past 2004, but you absolutely could without changing the results):

McNabb started the following % of his teams games:

2009: 88%
2008-09: 94%
2007-09: 92%
2006-09: 88%
2005-09: 81%
2004*-09: 84%

*I did not penalize McNabb for sitting the final game in 2004 on Coach's Decision. I just didn't count that one in games played.

McNabb misses almost two games a season -- for his career -- with injures. No matter how that's trended over the last three years, he's not going to get less injured as he gets older. He might play through more injuries...but I'd rather he not if it's going to hamper his effectiveness.[/quote]

The reason I used the past three season is simply because he started 14, 16, and 14 games during that span. Sure it's selective and helps my argument (why wouldn't I spin it in my favor :) ). But I would say those past few seasons are more of an indication of where his body is at right now than when he was dealing with broken ankles, ACL's, and hernias 4-7 years ago. Also, if I'm not mistaken, those three major injuries I just mentioned were all the result of McNabb scrambling, which he doesn't do nearly as much anymore.

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[quote=GMScud;709891]Emmitt? Is that you?[/quote]

No just a guy that thinks the NFL can make it without thugs & I root for all the good people especially when they come from my hometown.

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[quote=Mattyk;709879]Don't laugh but on NFL radio the other day they were talking about the possiblity that the Skins could have the best OL in the division this year. I don't think that's a crazy discussion either.[/quote]Well, we've certainly invested more in our line this year than any other team in the division, and it's not all that close.

Does that mean we'll get better results than teams who invested less in their lines this year? Actually[URL="http://deadspin.com/5345991/a-conversation-with-football-outsiders-eic-aaron-schatz"]...maybe[/URL].

(This is from August 2009)[quote](T)he trends that we identify in the book are still there. [B]The strongest trend in identifying "surprise" teams is still drafting an offensive lineman in the first dozen picks, like last year's Dolphins and the 2007 Browns[/B]. This is still a team that is likely to [B]be much healthier and nowhere near as bad in the red zone [/B][as last year].

...

We know that every year some team that has been losing for a couple seasons will come out of nowhere to have a winning season. Everyone wants to figure out how to predict that team, and we're no different. We looked closely to try to figure out what trends pointed to a team about to break out.[/quote]


That quote was not written about the 2010 Redskins, however, I didn't have to add any words to make it sound like it was. Only had to pull out team- and division-specific references.

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Devin Thomas is working out with OchoCinco...which obviously means we'll be making a trade for Ocho soon...

[url=http://www.youtube.com/rocksoftwaretv#p/u/3/laTtcBAGIwo]YouTube - RockSoftwareTV's Channel[/url]

Video of his workout with DT has not been posted yet I don't believe

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[quote=SmootSmack;711165]Devin Thomas is working out with OchoCinco...which obviously means we'll be making a trade for Ocho soon...

[url=http://www.youtube.com/rocksoftwaretv#p/u/3/laTtcBAGIwo]YouTube - RockSoftwareTV's Channel[/url]

Video of his workout with DT has not been posted yet I don't believe[/quote]


I think it can only make DT better 3rd yr I'm expecting BIG things this year. Hopefully next year he will try Jerry Rice's camp.

HTTR.

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[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/07/16/fred-davis-and-malcolm-kelly-are-ready-to-be-veterans/#continued]Fred Davis And Malcolm Kelly Are Ready To Be Veterans[/url].

13 days till Training Camp opens.

HTTR.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;712764][URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2010/07/16/fred-davis-and-malcolm-kelly-are-ready-to-be-veterans/#continued"]Fred Davis And Malcolm Kelly Are Ready To Be Veterans[/URL].

13 days till Training Camp opens.

HTTR.[/quote]

3rd year, now is their time.

I was encouraged a bit by hearing Aaron Rodgers on NFL radio the other day saying it wasn't until his third year in the league that he started feeling comfortable and the game finally started slowing down for him.

Twitter reports are saying that MK hurt his hamstring while practicing with McNabb and will not practice tomorrow...

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A tweak? Or is it more serious? Antone have any info on the injury?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;715039]Twitter reports are saying that MK hurt his hamstring while practicing with McNabb and will not practice tomorrow...[/quote]

At least it's not his freakin knee.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;715039]Twitter reports are saying that MK hurt his hamstring while practicing with McNabb and will not practice tomorrow...[/quote]

Kelly can least afford any setbacks of any kind anymore. He and Thomas both must demonstrate they can/will be available for an entire season. I know it's early yet, but injuries seem to follow them both.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/wide-receivers/malcolm-kelly-injures-hamstrin.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Malcolm Kelly injures hamstring at Donovan McNabb's 'Hell Week'[/url]

The answer to my own question....:)

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MK has no room for error quite honestly.

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WOW......if this lingers on very long, he'll be waking up next year in a different color.........

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He could be waking up in September in a different color.

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Found this article [url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/8/17/1627231/daily-slop-other-teams-inquired]Daily Slop: Other Teams Inquired About Devin Thomas - Hogs Haven[/url] I think MS sees promise in DT and wants to see if better coaching will help.

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I still believe Devin can emerge this season, the guy works hard and has the talent. I hope Austin and banks both make the team just as much. I think they could have bright futures. Let's face it Santana is 31 now

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/20/seahawks-given-permission-to-talk-to-vincent-jackson/]Seahawks given permission to talk to Vincent Jackson | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Why weren't we given permission. Maybe we think we have what we need.

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I'm sure we will be given permission here soon. That's if we are really interested.

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^ Which we should be really interested; with VJ we are a playoff caliber team, without him we're in the average win range(6-9 wins).

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[quote=SmootSmack;711165]Devin Thomas is working out with OchoCinco...which obviously means we'll be making a trade for Ocho soon...

[url=http://www.youtube.com/rocksoftwaretv#p/u/3/laTtcBAGIwo]YouTube - RockSoftwareTV's Channel[/url]

Video of his workout with DT has not been posted yet I don't believe[/quote]

Im over Devin Thomas at this point. I get sick of hearing about him over and over and over again.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;722338][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/20/seahawks-given-permission-to-talk-to-vincent-jackson/]Seahawks given permission to talk to Vincent Jackson | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

Why weren't we given permission. Maybe we think we have what we need.[/quote]

maybe we didn't give a written request to deal with the player/his agent and only inquired with their FO?

each day that VJ doesn't report SD will be more willing to deal him

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No more FAs!!!!! I like VJ, but we gave up a lot for Donovan and Jamaal. Too much of our future high picks for the next 2 years are going to someone else. Donovan was a great pickup worthy of the picks, but Jamaal is a question mark, if he is going to be worth the picks we gave up. We will have to give up a first rounder or two second rounders at a later date. We get VJ, we might only have what, one first round pick through 2013? How can you build a winner doing that? Everyone will be retooling with top notch talent and we will be just hoping our scouts do a great job at their talent search, which they aren't the best at. First and second rounders are more than likely future starters for you. The rest are PS fodder or busts usually.

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we barely gave ANYTHING for Jammal.. might wanna look that over, you have a habit of that type of thing haha

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Didn't we give up a second rounder for him? I know it wasn't like McNabb, but even a second rounder for a possible oft injured lineman isn't so great. Vj will exact either a first or two second rounders if we did acquire him. San Diego isn't going to give him up for free.

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McNabb yeah

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basically it was a conditional 3/4 depending on mcnabb's conditional.. in which they'll send a 5th back to us if it's a 3rd.. or a 6th or 7th if it's the 4th

then in 2012 there's a conditional 6th round pick

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When do we get another first round draft pick?