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When are first cuts?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;721002]When are first cuts?[/quote]

Down to 75 players on August 31; and down to 53 on September 4

(sidenote: Antonio Pierce just called the Skins the team to beat in the NFC East...so I like him again)

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^yeah when are first cuts. I betting Kelly's cut. He's only 2 inches shorter then Thomas so I can't imagine those 2 inches being a huge difference. Heck for all we know Thomas jumps higher then Kelly.

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[quote=SBXVII;721008]^yeah when are first cuts. I betting Kelly's cut. He's only 2 inches shorter then Thomas so I can't imagine those 2 inches being a huge difference. Heck for all we know Thomas jumps higher then Kelly.[/quote]

Devin Thomas has the worst jumping ability of any skill player I might have ever seen.

Go watch some college highlights of the guy. It's laughable. He looks crazy uncoordinated whenever he has to go up for a ball.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;720965]A good running game is a QBs best friend, I'm confident McNabb likes this offense better than Reid's[/quote]Agreed, both accounts.

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[quote=wilsowilso;721010]Devin Thomas has the worst jumping ability of any skill player I might have ever seen.

Go watch some college highlights of the guy. It's laughable. He looks crazy uncoordinated whenever he has to go up for a ball.[/quote]

He had a 33 inch vertical jump and a 10'6" broad jump...not spectacular but he can get up, certainly enough to dunk the ball or go get a 10 foot high football.

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[quote=Angry;720805]That is exactly why he needs to suck it up and play. I understand that Shannahan said that he doesn't want him to set himself back but after 2 weeks of a non serious injury, he has to gut it out and at least try to do something.[/quote]

You ever tried just stretching a pulled hamstring???? It flippin' hurts, and I am sure making cuts at full speed and taking hits over the middle would not improve his or the Redskins' stock.

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[quote=Mechanix544;721248]You ever tried just stretching a pulled hamstring???? It flippin' hurts, and I am sure making cuts at full speed and taking hits over the middle would not improve his or the Redskins' stock.[/quote]

Nope I exercised and or played sports almost everyday from the time I was 10 until I was 28. I have never had a pulled hammy. I've had spraind ankles and knees a torn MCL and a dislocated knee. I have even had quite a few pulled groins but I cannot sympathize with a pulled hammy. The rest of that stuff hurt too and I had to suck it up.

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[quote=Defensewins;720977]Certain factors make a hamstring injury more likely. Age, weight, flexibility and bad running stride can all cause a hamstring injury. Previous hamstring injuries make another occurrence highly likely as well. [B]Performing explosive movements when your muscles are not prepared[/B] can rupture the muscle fibers and cause a major hamstring injury.
To some extent this injury occurs due to poor flexibilty training and poor warm up practices. To some extent this is a preventable injury, especially if you have a history of this injury, you should be prepared.
Regardless how 'Great his hands are' and all of his other 'awesome' strengths (which I have not seen), if his body fails him this much at his young age, maybe being a professional athlete is not in his future.
It is not in our best interest to have a WR on our roster that has this chronic problem.
To some extent this is lack of preparation.[/quote]

well we really don't know how kelly prepares for the season. we're not at redskin park everyday. i remember gary clark always had hamstring problems yet he was always there on sunday.

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I watched the game again and I came to realize that both our CBs were abused by Lee Evens but it didn't show cause Anderson sucks. I wish Evens was on our team.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;721007]Down to 75 players on August 31; and down to 53 on September 4

(sidenote: [B]Antonio Pierce just called the Skins the team to beat in the NFC East...so I like him again)[/[/B]QUOTE]
Hmmm....years of hatred down the toilet.....

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[quote=skinsfan69;721346]well we really don't know how kelly prepares for the season. we're not at redskin park everyday. i remember gary clark always had hamstring problems yet he was always there on sunday.[/quote]

Well we know both Kelly and Thomas both failed their rookie year training camp fitness test. For WR's or any skill position player to fail a fitness test is very unusual and telling.
There is a pattern here o flack preparation and their inability to become starters should not be a huge surprise. It seems at times in the past they were lacking in fight and desire.
They came in thinking they were already stars. Their own web sights, music videos, ego issues.
I have to give Thomas some credit though, during the long punt return for TD by mity mite, Thomas made a key block. He was physical and it was the first time he ever really impressed me.
The TD Thomas had later in the game was against Bills scrubs, I guess all Bills are scrubs to a certain extent, but it was against 2nd or 3rd team dbs.

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[quote=Defensewins;721387]Well we know both Kelly and Thomas both failed their rookie year training camp fitness test. For WR's or any skill position player to fail a fitness test is very unusual and telling.
There is a pattern here o flack preparation and their inability to become starters should not be a huge surprise. It seems at times in the past they were lacking in fight and desire.
They came in thinking they were already stars. Their own web sights, music videos, ego issues.
I have to give Thomas some credit though, during the long punt return for TD by mity mite, Thomas made a key block. He was physical and it was the first time he ever really impressed me.
The TD Thomas had later in the game was against Bills scrubs, I guess all Bills are scrubs to a certain extent, but it was against 2nd or 3rd team dbs.[/quote]

Devin was having trouble beating third-stringers in training camp.

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never been impressed by the kid?

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I haven't given up on Thomas or Kelly just yet.

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No reason at all to give up on Thomas. At least he's on the field and he had that nice TD last week. Kelly on the other hand just needs to get out there.

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never been impressed by the kid?[/quote]


I think that his performance in that game was overshadowed by the fact that we lost because we didn't have a kicker.

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never been impressed by the kid?[/quote]

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Plus: the skins looked like a professional football tema with seemingly every player playing hard.

Minus: watching rex, i can see where all his ints come from. im not sure how comfortable i am having him be our next in command. i want a back up who can take care of the ball who doesnt have to win the game, he just has to not lose it.

really enjoyed the game.

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C'mon guys. This was the best game of his career. What about the other 30 some? I like DT and I really like that he plays hard and plays teams. W/out question he's on the roster. But he needs to start being more consistent game in game out. There is no reason that 58 year old Joey Galloway should be ahead of him on the depth chart.

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[quote=Angry;721448]I think that his performance in that game was overshadowed by the fact that we lost because we didn't have a kicker.[/quote]

Aided by Kareem Moore not being able to hold on to the ball.

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[quote=skinsfan69;721520]C'mon guys. This was the best game of his career. What about the other 30 some? I like DT and I really like that he plays hard and plays teams. W/out question he's on the roster. But he needs to start being more consistent game in game out. There is no reason that 58 year old Joey Galloway should be ahead of him on the depth chart.[/quote]

C'mon guy, I posted plays from other games.

Depth charts at this early stage of the preseason do not mean a lot. Coach Shanahan is the type of leader who would use them to motivate people.

After game #3, then they start to matter.

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[quote=Ruhskins;721521]Aided by Kareem Moore not being able to hold on to the ball.[/quote]
yeah.. it was a good strip though.. he got the pick.. the drive could've been a TD anyways

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Aright, so I think DT wil be on the squad come September. Macolm still has time to impress the coaches again he just needs to get healthy. DT has shown flash and if used properly he can make plays. We shall see though I am not in the meeting rooms!! :)

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[quote=Buster;721536]C'mon guy, I posted plays from other games.

[B]Depth charts at this early stage of the preseason do not mean a lot. Coach Shanahan is the type of leader who would use them to motivate people.

After game #3, then they start to matter[/B].[/quote]

I agree depth charts in preseason do not mean very much.
Given Thomas and Kelly's history, by game 3 of preseason or game 1 of regular season, they are both usually on the sideline injured or down so low on the depth chart because they missed so much time. I am glad to see Thomas healthy this training camp and being productive.
There is no denying Kelly and Thomas are big and fast and have good hands.
Have to be careful not to fall in love with numbers 6'2 + 6'4' and 220 pounds and look more at the WR's at how they are producing and working hard on the field.

Question: If Kelly is not healthy by game 1 and since he got hurt before training camp started, can he be put on some kind of PUP list where he will not count against opening day roster but can be later activated during the season? Unlike IR where he would be gone all year.?.?
Might be a good way to buy him more time and still have him as an option for later this year.

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My opinion of Kelly is that he has been terribly underutilized when healthy.

If he can't stay healthy he's finished, but this is supposed to be the year that many young receivers start to really get it.

They have to do everything in their power to see him in action on the field. Let him sit until the last two preseason games and then start him in both and target him often.

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[quote=Buster;721536]C'mon guy, I posted plays from other games.

Depth charts at this early stage of the preseason do not mean a lot. Coach Shanahan is the type of leader who would use them to motivate people.

After game #3, then they start to matter.[/quote]

Even Thomas knows that Shanahan is trying to motivate him by listing him 3rd string on the depth chart

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/08/17/d/]Is Devin Thomas Growing On Coach Shanahan?[/url]

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[quote=Defensewins;721604]I agree depth charts in preseason do not mean very much.
Given Thomas and Kelly's history, by game 3 of preseason or game 1 of regular season, they are both usually on the sideline injured or down so low on the depth chart because they missed so much time. I am glad to see Thomas healthy this training camp and being productive.
There is no denying Kelly and Thomas are big and fast and have good hands.
Have to be careful not to fall in love with numbers 6'2 + 6'4' and 220 pounds and look more at the WR's at how they are producing and working hard on the field.

Question: If Kelly is not healthy by game 1 and since he got hurt before training camp started, can he be put on some kind of PUP list where he will not count against opening day roster but can be later activated during the season? Unlike IR where he would be gone all year.?.?
Might be a good way to buy him more time and still have him as an option for later this year.[/quote]

I believe he started training camp on the active roster ,which makes him ineligible for the PUP list.

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[quote=SmootSmack;721616]I believe he started training camp on the active roster ,which makes him ineligible for the PUP list.[/quote]

Damn!
Well it is well documented that he injured himself in Arizona [B]before training[/B] camp, tried to make a go of it in practice but could not play. He has not seen any scrimmage or preseason action. Maybe they call someone and pull some strings.

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[quote=Mattyk;721613]Even Thomas knows that Shanahan is trying to motivate him by listing him 3rd string on the depth chart

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2010/08/17/d/]Is Devin Thomas Growing On Coach Shanahan?[/url][/quote]

No doubt Matty. A lot of people aren't realizing how much of the DC changed despite a lack of change in players' output (from the public view anyways). It changed at several positions and will continue to do so. I wouldn't read into anything until the actual cuts come.