[QUOTE=saden1;729887]Come on, think big, think First Emperor of the United States of America![/QUOTE]

The first emperor of the United Empire! When do u disband the senate?

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[quote=Hog1;729751]Well, I am not generally an advocate of such things but if we did, would muslims then conclude that it was just a small violent faction of Americans responsible and not the majority who are peace loving?[/quote]

Who gives a shit? Do we lower our standards because "that's what them damn muslims do..?" Of course not. I don't particularly love any culture that basis itself upon religion, especially when said religion involves placing wholly illogical restrictions and consequences on my favorite 50% of the population, but- This whole "I don't like you so I'll burn something you feel is important" thing is juvenile at best. What adult that you know converses in such a manner? Of course, the undeveloped mind does tend to flock to this sort of thing. It's not like this is a group of Rhodes scholars we are talking about.
:soapbox:

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[quote=Hog1;729831]BTW.......it's [B][U]Quran[/U][/B]
not Koran as in Korea[/quote]

It has been transliterated in several different forms, your example being one of them. I believe that the most "accepted" as far as beliefs/accuracy goes is "Qur'an" but I could be mistaken.

lol @ Koran as in Korea.. where were you going with that?

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BTW...Quran is one of the currently accepted spellings of the Koran....allegedly.

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[quote=tryfuhl;729973]It has been transliterated in several different forms, your example being one of them. I believe that the most "accepted" as far as beliefs/accuracy goes is "Qur'an" but I could be mistaken.

[B]lol @ Koran as in Korea.. where were you going with that?[/B][/quote]


Add one "e" and it's "Korean" maybe? Side note, Firstdown spells Quran with at least two f's, one z and possibly a j.

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yeah lol just figured if he thought that was our mixup it was very obvious.. or no reason to really post it as most of us know how to spell Korea.. maybe he thought that we thought that it was Qurea or something

I believe firstdown spells Quran "blazfimmy!"

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;729970]Who gives a shit? Do we lower our standards because "that's what them damn muslims do..?" Of course not. I don't particularly love any culture that basis itself upon religion, especially when said religion involves placing wholly illogical restrictions and consequences on my favorite 50% of the population, but- This whole "I don't like you so I'll burn something you feel is important" thing is juvenile at best. What adult that you know converses in such a manner? Of course, the undeveloped mind does tend to flock to this sort of thing. It's not like this is a group of Rhodes scholars we are talking about.
:soapbox:[/quote]

You bring up an interesting point about adults behaving like juveniles, because as it pertains to religion, logic and rationalization tends to be suspended in favor of raw emotions, usually fear and anger, and feelings. There's nothing logical about burning a Quran. And there's nothing sane about running two commercial line planes into the Twin Towers either, although the men who comitted the act were college educated. But Marx was certainly on to something when he said "religion is the opiate of the people".

What we have here is a classic example of extremism vs. absolutism. In both cases, the actions of a fringe element don't properly represent or reflect the values and teachings of the respective religions. Islam has been so westernized and politicized following the events of 9/11 that most Americans really don't know what the Quran actually teaches or to whom it applies. So just as it's wrong to condemn one religion with a vile and dispicable act, I also believe it's wrong to throw out the baby with the bathwater and say that all religion is evil because of the actions of a minority. I guess one could also make an argument about the difference between faith and religion, but I'm not here to fight that battle, nor do I care to.

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BleedBurgundy, the entirety of my post wasn't directed at you. Just some general sentiments of my own mixed in there.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;729965]Keep in mind I said the 35-40% was [B]NOT[/B] the percentage that would actually become jihadists, but that support Fundamentalist Islam (sharia, etc).

This Pew poll towards the bottom has a section with % that support or justify suicide bombing.

[url=http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1630/obama-more-popular-abroad-global-american-image-benefit-22-nation-global-survey?src=prc-latest&proj=peoplepress]Obama More Popular Abroad than at Home, Global Image of U.S. Continues to Benefit - Pew Research Center[/url]

This report from U of MD (Testudo Rules) is pretty interesting in the support for violent acts against civilians is fairly low (however estimating 5% of 1.2B Muslims worldwide is 60M, that's a large amount of potential jihadists), but what is concerning is the percentage that would impose strict sharia law. The Brookings Institute also had a hand in this, so it's not from Fox or Heritage :silly:

[url=http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346]Printable Version[/url][/quote]

I looked through the poll and it seems quite interesting...the summary combines suicide bombing "often justified and somewhat justified" responses but the [URL="http://pewglobal.org/2010/06/17/obama-more-popular-abroad-than-at-home/8/"]full report doesn't[/URL] (there are really eye catching oddities in the responses which they touch on).

If you ask Americans in a broader context outside of Islamic terrorism as to whether suicide is ever justified I am sure you will get some takers. The real issue is whether the killing of civilian is ever "somewhat justifiable" and to this I point to you the views of most Americans on dropping two H-Bombs on Japan or their views on collateral damage... they are necessary evil.

Given the level of mistrust and apprehension of the United States and Israel and hopelessness in the face of their mighty armies you are more likely to see support for suicide bombing in these countries than you would in the west. As for suicide bombing itself it is not a fundamental part of Islam as some would have us believe; it is a nothing more than a desperate act that is justifiable by anyone (see Japanese kamikaze pilots).


Now as to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia"]Sharia law[/URL], it's a broad subject matter that spans cultures and multiple facets of Islam. There is more to it than you hear on the radio and tv which is too often washed down to make it appear more sinister than it is (picky and choosy while ignoring the similarities to the old testament). Like the biblical scripture the Qur'an is open to interpretation and each culture/society makes its own laws based on what it thinks the holly book tells it (the Turks are very lax while the Saudis are very strict but not as super crazy strict as the Taliban). Just because you find Sharia law appealing it doesn't mean there is something wrong with you and one can equate these people to American Conservative Christians.

[quote]Sharia can be divided into five main branches: ibadah (ritual worship), mu'amalat (transactions and contracts), adab (morals and manners), i'tiqadat (beliefs), and 'uqubat (punishments).[/quote]

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;729977]Add one "e" and it's "Korean" maybe? Side note, Firstdown spells Quran with at least two f's, one z and possibly a j.[/quote]

Its chourann. Its funny now the president is getting involved.:laughing2

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[quote=tryfuhl;729973]It has been transliterated in several different forms, your example being one of them. I believe that the most "accepted" as far as beliefs/accuracy goes is "Qur'an" but I could be mistaken.

lol @ Koran as in Korea.. where were you going with that?[/quote]

You are correct. Qur'an is the most faithful transliteration for the Arabic title, which means "recitation" in English. Transliterating Arabic into English is difficult since there is not a one-to-one correspondence between sounds. Hence the many versions of English spellings.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Like most people i think that this is pretty dumb just because its disrespectful and doesn’t benefit anyone. Like even more people i also think its EXTREMELY stupid because many Muslims are literally going to go nuts. But i started thinking about it in just the sense that its going to cause Muslims to go nuts, and I’m not entirely sure how I feel about it now. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This kind of stuff is going to keep happening no matter if we agree with it or not. There were the Cartoon Riots a few years back, there was Draw Mohammad Day last year, there’s Burn a Koran Day this year, there is going to be something next year and so on. I honestly don’t think it will ever stop, people do these things because they know it will get a big reaction, because it the Western Culture’s eyes murdering someone or suicide bombing people over an act of expression like this is considered overreacting. But in many Muslim’s eyes that isn’t overreacting. So whats going to happen? Are we going to make special rules and laws about being extra sensitive with regards to Muslims? Are Muslims going to realize that their overacting?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Here are a bunch of quotes from around the world condemning the burring, including 2 from people that Westerns view as crazy people:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/09/florida.quran.reactions/"][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/09/09/florida.quran.reactions/[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]A spokesman for the Taliban in Afghanistan tells CNN: "If in Florida they were to burn the Quran, we will target any Christians, even if they are innocent, because the Quran is our holy book and we do not want someone to burn our holy book."[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]A senior Iranian Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Lotfollah Safi Golpayegani, condemned the plan to burn the Quran and called for the arrest of Jones, head of the Dove World Outreach Center, according to Iran's semi-official Fars news agency. Should such an "inhumane incident take place in America, the U.S. government and President Obama will be held responsible," he said, according to the report.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The above messages are irrational in Westerns’ minds. Honestly I dont think interacting with fundamentalist Muslims is ever going to work unless one of us changes our values. And I don’t think that’s going to happen in any of our lifetimes. I don’t think there is any common ground between are values. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So I guess im not sure how I feel about it because I think its important that we realize that we are not going to eventually just get along, that one day we can agree to disagree, that we can both have our cake and eat it too. Dumb people like this pastor are going to continue to do things to incite Muslims, I feel like we just need to accept that as part of life. There’s nothing we can really do about it or more importantly should want to do about it because that means compromising our values and principles. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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Not all speech is protected speech per unanimous Supreme Court ruling in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplinsky_v._New_Hampshire"]Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire[/URL]. I am not convinced this pastor has the "right" to burn the Qur'an.

[QUOTE]In late November 1941, Walter Chaplinsky, a Jehovah's Witness, was using the public sidewalk as a pulpit in downtown Rochester, passing out pamphlets and calling organized religion a "racket." After a large crowd had begun blocking the roads and generally causing a scene, a police officer removed Chaplinsky to take him to police headquarters. Along the way he met the town marshal, who had earlier warned Chaplinsky to keep it down and avoid causing a commotion. Upon meeting the marshal for the second time, Chaplinsky attacked him verbally. The complaint against Chaplinsky charged that he had shouted: "You are a God-damned racketeer" and "a damned Fascist" and was arrested. Chaplinsky admitted that he said the words charged in the complaint, with the exception of the name of the Deity.

For this, he was arrested under a New Hampshire statute preventing intentionally offensive speech being directed at others in a public place. Under NH.'s Offensive Conduct law (chap. 378, para. 2 of the NH. Public Laws) it is illegal for anyone to address another person with "any offensive, derisive or annoying word to anyone who is lawfully in any street or public place...or to call him by an offensive or derisive name."

Chaplinsky was fined, but he appealed, claiming the law was "vague" and infringed upon his First and Fourteenth Amendment rights to free speech.[/QUOTE]

The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words#United_States"]high court ruled[/URL]:

[QUOTE]There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting words" those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality.[/QUOTE]

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Unlike the [I]Chaplinsky[/I] case above, DWOC's action is not directed at a single individual. Generally, I believe ('cause I don't have the time to research right now) it is okay to make hateful statements (for ex. burning the flag) as long as it is not aimed at an individual.

As I understand it, and as demonstrated by the case you cite, hateful speech akin to "fighting words" is not protected i.e. where someone is using hate speech to specifically provoke an individual or defined group. In [I]Chaplinsky[/I], the individual was not being charged for what he said in the public square, but, rather for the remarks directed at the arresting officer.

Holding that the statute's use of the term "offensive speech" was not vague or overbroad, the SC said (quoting,an earlier decision):

"The word 'offensive' is not to be defined in terms of what a particular addressee thinks. . . . The test is what men of common intelligence would understand would be words likely to cause an average addressee to fight. . . . The English language has a number of words and expressions which, by general consent, are 'fighting words' when said without a disarming smile. . . . [S]uch words, as ordinary men know, are likely to cause a fight. So are threatening, profane or obscene revilings. Derisive and annoying words can be taken as coming within the purview of the statute as heretofore interpreted only when they have this characteristic of plainly tending to excite the addressee to a breach of the peace."

[url=http://supreme.justia.com/us/315/568/case.html]CHAPLINSKY V. NEW HAMPSHIRE, 315 U. S. 568 :: Volume 315 :: 1942 :: Full Text :: US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez[/url]

DWOC's actions are hateful, but - I believe - unless they create an actual breach of the peace or are an attempt to incite an [I]imminent[/I] (read immediate and actual - like yelling fire in a crowded theater) breach of the peace, they are protected.

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[quote=saden1;730253]Not all speech is protected speech per unanimous Supreme Court ruling in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplinsky_v._New_Hampshire"]Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire[/URL]. I am not convinced this pastor has the "right" to burn the Qur'an.



The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words#United_States"]high court ruled[/URL]:[/quote]Couple issues.
1) I believe the DWOC will be doing this on private property.
2) If Flag-burning and Bible burning are protected speech, Quran burning must be also.

From CBS: [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/08/eveningnews/main6846995.shtml"]Quran Burning Legal? Protest Possibly Protected - CBS Evening News - CBS News[/URL]

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I dont agree with the building of the mosque near ground zero, but burning Korans is truly an act of hatred. This guy is a complete fool.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;730277]Couple issues.
1) I believe the DWOC will be doing this on private property.
2) If Flag-burning and Bible burning are protected speech, Quran burning must be also.

From CBS: [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/08/eveningnews/main6846995.shtml"]Quran Burning Legal? Protest Possibly Protected - CBS Evening News - CBS News[/URL][/quote]

I think flag burning is a little bit different in that it is mostly done to protest the government though if someone is burning it at a Vets conference you bet it falls under "obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or 'fighting words' those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" and not protected speech.

If they are burning the Qur'an at thier private property then I think they're fine.

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[quote=SmootSmack;729845]It's a community center with a prayer room, not a mosque. And the way some people talk you'd think a theme park reenacting planes flying into buildings was being built. Not sure I'll ever understand the connection between building this center and burning a holy book.[/quote]

That's b/c you're a rational human being. Unfortunately for the (I believe) vast majority of rational, truth seeking, religious individuals, a large segment of people warp religious concepts to their own hateful, irrational way of thinking (and BB - don't kid yourself, if "religion" didn't exist these same irrational individuals would find some other way to bond and group themselves in order to justify their killing of people different than themselves or whatever hateful agenda they came up. You know - like marxism).

Two of my favorite post 9-11 Articles from the Onion really make the point so well:

[url=http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule,222/]God Angrily Clarifies 'Don't Kill' Rule | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url]

[url=http://www.theonion.com/articles/hijackers-surprised-to-find-selves-in-hell,1445/]Hijackers Surprised To Find Selves In Hell | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url]

Truthfully, in my opinion, that issue of the Onion was their absolute finest hour. It is well worth a reread as we approach Saturday: [url=http://www.theonion.com/issue/3734/]Issue 3734 - 09.26.2001 | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url]

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[quote=saden1;730287]If they are burning the Qur'an at thier private property then [B]I think they're fine[/B].[/quote]Legally.....these guys probably don't care, but reality is once they burn those Qurans they put a target on their backs and will be looking over their shoulders for the rest of their lives. I hope they think it's worth it.

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[quote=saden1;730287]I think flag burning is a little bit different in that it is mostly done to protest the government though if someone is burning it at a Vets conference you bet it falls under "obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or 'fighting words' those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" and not protected speech.

If they are burning the Qur'an at thier private property then I think they're fine.[/quote]

I say most of the flag burnings I've seen on TV was against the US and they want us all dead.

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BreakingNews

Florida church pastor says he's calling off burning of Qurans - Reuters 5 minutes ago via breakingnews.com

Somebody with commonsense reached them. Thank goodness.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;730322]BreakingNews

Florida church pastor says he's calling off burning of Qurans - Reuters 5 minutes ago via breakingnews.com

Somebody with commonsense reached them. Thank goodness.[/quote]

I hope that jackass is proud. I'm watching the news right now and basically just his idiot idea, even though it's been called off, has sparked anti-American hatred everywhere (even more than before). Nice job asshole.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;730324]I hope that jackass is proud. I'm watching the news right now and basically just his idiot idea, even though it's been called off, has sparked anti-American hatred everywhere (even more than before). Nice job asshole.[/quote]

If in fact it has been called off I think that in many ways this is a great statement to the rest of the world.

One of those teachable moments perhaps?

Anyways that was going to be a fiasco so hopefully this mess has been averted.

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When the FBI tells you you're walking dead people it's time to pack-up shop and retire.

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He's claiming the Imma has decided to move the "not exactly ground zero" Muslim Community Center in exchange for not burning the Qur'an. I hope this isn't true.

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In times of danger don't freeze, time to be a G!

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I wonder what they will do with all of the Qur'ans that they had ready to burn. You can't just throw them away, that would be sacrilege.

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[quote=Lotus;730352]I wonder what they will do with all of the Qur'ans that they had ready to burn. You can't just throw them away, that would be sacrilege.[/quote]

I would return them for a refund though I would suspect all sales of the Qur'an are final.

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Didn't they kick him out of another church for stealing money from them? LOL, don't know how people follow morons like this, but whatever.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;730324]I hope that jackass is proud. I'm watching the news right now and basically just his idiot idea, even though it's been called off, has sparked anti-American hatred everywhere (even more than before). Nice job asshole.[/quote]

You really think he sparked all the anti-American hate? I think that was started way before 9/11 and its just another reason for them to act out. Remember when that guy did a cartoon in the paper and they flipped out then? Fu** them.

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FD, this is about building bridges not burning them. Yes there are Muslims who hate us, and there are Muslims who believe that all non-believers should be killed. Nothing we do or don't do is going to change that segment's beliefs en masse. HOWEVER, by not doing idiotic things, and showing the same type of compassion that the good samaritan (in Jesus' parable) showed, or that Martin Luther King Jr discussed in his I have a dream speech, or that the founders wrote in the pre-amble to our constitution, (the list goes on) we can live up to our own ideals. If we live up to our own ideals maybe we will give those who could be swayed either way - to radicalism or a non-radical life view- a stronger footing in peaceful divergence of religion.

Saying they started it at this point is a relatively shallow and immature way of dealing with complex, intense, religious devotions on either side of this problem.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;730581] If we live up to our own ideals maybe we will give those who could be swayed either way - to radicalism or a non-radical life view- a stronger footing in peaceful divergence of religion.

[/quote]

i, speaking as one american, am getting real tired of trying to "sway" islamics who are on the fence about whether to practice their religion peacefully or become radicals.

the islamic believers who we see everyday on the news protestring this or that arent going to be swayed. if its not this pastor threatening to burn the koran (which is justified to be angry about but its a bit funny and hypocritical for them to react with violence and threats of violence and burning the american flag to achieve their "quest" for peace), there will just be some other thing that they are mad about.

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[quote=over the mountain;730610]i, speaking as one american, am getting real tired of trying to "sway" islamics who are on the fence about whether to practice their religion peacefully or become radicals.

the islamic believers who we see everyday on the news protestring this or that arent going to be swayed. if its not this pastor threatening to burn the koran (which is justified to be angry about but its a bit funny and hypocritical for them to react with violence and threats of violence and burning the american flag to achieve their "quest" for peace), there will just be some other thing that they are mad about.[/quote]

I understand what you are saying OTM, and I don't mean to suggest we would sway the radical element, rather we should live up to our own ideals and in doing so, set a tone of mending fences rather then stoking fires

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[quote=firstdown;730572]You really think he sparked all the anti-American hate? I think that was started way before 9/11 and its just another reason for them to act out. Remember when that guy did a cartoon in the paper and they flipped out then? Fu** them.[/quote]

Oh, I don't think he did, but he surely didn't help it. Basically an idiotic idea internationally hurt American interests and for what? I mean the reasoning behind it makes NO sense to me besides to spread hate.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;730622]Oh, I don't think he did, but he surely didn't help it. Basically an idiotic idea internationally hurt American interests and for what? I mean the reasoning behind it makes NO sense to me besides to spread hate.[/quote]
The only way this hurt American interest was with the people who hate us to start with and there is nothing we are going to do to change their feelings about us anyways. If some now hates us over this then they are just as dumb as the guy burning the koran and if it was not this it would be something else that ticks them off. F*** them anyways.

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As an American this guy has the "right". It is part of what makes America great!
F R E E D O M.
It does not mean it has to be popular SEE Klan rally, Gay rights parade, Nation of Islam, etc.
In general, if we are to be guided in our ability to govern ourselves based on the "popularity" of our laws or actions with a some....nutjobs worldwide, we will cease to be America. I view that proposition as a disgrace.........
AND he apparently has gotten the attention of the people involved in building the Ground Zero Mosque? Which has cause SO much unrest Nationwide?

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Obama press conference he stated:

President Obama says the idea that "we would burn the sacred texts of someone else's religion is contrary to what this country stands for." He said he hopes a Florida pastor "prays on it" and refrains from doing it.

Well said.

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[quote=Chico23231;730675]Obama press conference he stated:

President Obama says the idea that "we would burn the sacred texts of someone else's religion is contrary to what this country stands for." He said he hopes a Florida pastor "prays on it" and refrains from doing it.

Well said.[/quote]But it's OK to burn the sacred text of "our" religion. Ironic?

[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/index.html"]Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan - CNN.com[/URL]

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[quote=Chico23231;730675]Obama press conference he stated:

President Obama says the idea that "we would burn the sacred texts of someone else's religion is contrary to what this country stands for." He said he hopes a Florida pastor "prays on it" and refrains from doing it.

Well said.[/quote]

Agreed. I'm against Islamic extremism as much as anyone, but muslims in general are largely peaceful. To burn their texts is so effing ignorant.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;730684]But it's OK to burn the sacred text of "our" religion. Ironic?

[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/index.html"]Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan - CNN.com[/URL][/quote]

I wouldn't say any of it is ok

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;730684]But it's OK to burn the sacred text of "our" religion. Ironic?

[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/index.html"]Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan - CNN.com[/URL][/quote]

Good interesting article. But the context of comparing the two pretty far off.

Back-woods ignorant redneck pastor is getting this all this press. This guy seriously thinks this is a war on Islam. Laughable of the ignorance of this country and anyone who agrees with what he is doing. Putting our military at risk, including a close friend of mine located outside of Kandahar. Maybe we need to put this guy on a plane and send him over there to preach, cause no sensible American would agree with what this guy is doing. Where is Glenn Beck to give history lessons regarding freedom of religion?