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[quote=BleedBurgundy;755190]For the record, I tried to click on the link. lol.[/quote]

Yeah, might have been too graphic for this site.

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[quote=Angry;755115]Write a poem about your struggles and see how many albums it sells. Your distaste should not be about rap it should be for the society and lifestyle that caused it. Nobody wants to be a thug and promote that lifestyle, but they can only speak of their own experiences. America gets off on tragedy because the majority of the populatation experiences and embraces it because it's all the know.[/quote]

I'd say their parents probably choose that life style and did nothing to better them self. I'm just glade that everyone that has talent from the inner city does not do so by selling death, drugs, and bitches. If thats the best you think he can do then I question his talent to begin with. I also have said I really don't blame them I blame MTV and other that promoted them and those life styles.

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[quote=Angry;755176]Who looks at a painting and says "I want to do that"? Who draws inspiration from that painting to mimic what they see? Hardly anyone does that. On the other hand who looks at a painting and says "that is magnificant". It all comes down to taste. You just don't have a tase for Gangsta rap. That is no different from someone who says that they might like nudity in a painting but to depict sodomy is taking it too far.[/quote]

If you don't think kids are trying to copy these guys then you need to take the blinders off. Just watch any cops show or shows about gangs. I know gangs are not new here but having it main stream and making it cool is.

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[quote=saden1;755180]Most rap is utter trash and like with everything you have to look harder to find the gems.


Take this for example...there's nothing deep about it but it is one of the most awesome songs ever.

[YT]2ImZTwYwCug[/YT][/quote]

Butt thats pretty much a harmless song.

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[quote=firstdown;755342]If you don't think kids are trying to copy these guys then you need to take the blinders off. Just watch any cops show or shows about gangs. I know gangs are not new here but having it main stream and making it cool is.[/quote]


You are going to live whatever lifestyle you are going to live regardless of the music that you listen to or what you watch. Glamorization of it is only going to appeal to those that found it appealing in the first place.

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[quote=Angry;755192]Yeah, might have been too graphic for this site.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]For those who wanted to know the original post read [quote]"If [COLOR=darkorange]this[/COLOR] doesn't inspire you to do something then I don't know what will".[/quote] Embeded in the word "[COLOR=darkorange]this[/COLOR]" was a picture of a woman with firm, tight, skin with ample sized sweater kittens giving a man special kisses and handshakes in his non gender specific neither region.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=Angry;755354]You are going to live whatever lifestyle you are going to live regardless of the music that you listen to or what you watch. Glamorization of it is only going to appeal to those that found it appealing in the first place.[/quote]

Exactly.

It's not like Joey white kid in the burbs is going to turn gangsta after listening to The Chronic.

Blaming music for society's ills is just ridiculous.

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[quote=Mattyk;755365]Exactly.

It's not like Joey white kid in the burbs is going to turn gangsta after listening to The Chronic.

Blaming music for society's ills is just ridiculous.[/quote]


Are you kidding me?????


Do you know how many Clowns are running around my hood becasue of the Insane Clown Posse! People take music to heart!

=)

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[quote=mredskins;755372]Are you kidding me?????


Do you know how many Clowns are running around my hood becasue of the Insane Clown Posse! People take music to heart!

=)[/quote]


Awww jeah! Are you disrespectin my ninjas? Woop woop! We straight ice cold killas yo! Scary Clown Posse wassup!?

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[quote=mooby;755417]Awww jeah! Are you disrespectin my ninjas? Woop woop! We straight ice cold killas yo! Scary Clown Posse wassup!?[/quote]

ICP is the worst music group of all time period.

But they did create this:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs]YouTube - Insane Clown Posse - Miracles[/ame]

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[quote=Chico23231;755088]Ja Rule was freakin horrible[/quote]


Yeah that was a joke. Everyone knows Ja Rule sucks

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I prefer Trane & Miles and songs I can understand the lyrics too. I do agree with Tupac though "It's me against the world"

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[quote=Chico23231;755443]ICP is the worst music group of all time period.

But they did create this:
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs]YouTube - Insane Clown Posse - Miracles[/url][/quote]

That song epitomized what a joke those guys are.

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Dont want to turn this thread political or anything, but does anyone else think Tupac would be a Tea Partier? Just me?

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Regardless of Tupac or Biggie, can we all agree that what's being put out these days is pretty awful? It's no Rakim. I mean really, Drake?! Ugh...Guru is rolling over in his grave.

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They don't make stuff like this anymore

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPkWYTUiPTo&ob=av2e"]YouTube - Eric B. & Rakim - Juice (Know The Ledge)[/URL]

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KutXyPEEbQs]YouTube - Geto Boys - My Mind Playing Tricks On Me[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;755663]Regardless of Tupac or Biggie, can we all agree that what's being put out these days is pretty awful? It's no Rakim. I mean really, Drake?! Ugh...Guru is rolling over in his grave.[/quote]

Yeah, current stuff is pretty bad.

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[quote=SmootSmack;755663]Regardless of Tupac or Biggie, can we all agree that what's being put out these days is pretty awful? It's no Rakim. I mean really, [B]Drake[/B]?! Ugh...Guru is rolling over in his grave.[/quote]

I love Drake. He's gotta be one of the better popular lyricists out there now. Give Jimmy a break man! Brother can't walk!

[IMG]http://stacksanddreams.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/22851ip0.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=mooby;755417]Awww jeah! Are you disrespectin my ninjas? Woop woop! We straight ice cold killas yo! Scary Clown Posse wassup!?[/quote]

I just met a girl that loves ICP. LOVES them. And I wanna tell her how much I hate them, but I don't have the heart. lol I did like 2 or 3 songs by them when I was like 14.. But at that age you don't know any better. They had some Gathering of the Juggalos and for some reason Tila Tequila (I believe it was her) was there, and they ended up throwing rocks and shit and all sorts of things at her.

Not saying she didn't deserve it. Just sayin.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;755672]I love Drake. He's gotta be one of the better popular lyricists out there now. Give Jimmy a break man! Brother can't walk!

[IMG]http://stacksanddreams.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/22851ip0.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Really? I totally cringe when I listen to him "rap." It's like he'll sway back and forth between slowly saying words and kind of singing. I hate to say this, but Ke$ha and Justin Bieber (Tom Brady diss) have better flow than most of the so-called rappers on the radio nowadays. Have any of you guys listened to this song called "Toot It and Boot It"?

Both Pac and Biggie are rolling over in their graves.

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[quote=itvnetop;755677]Really? I totally cringe when I listen to him "rap." [B]It's like he'll sway back and forth between slowly saying words and kind of singing.[/B] I hate to say this, but Ke$ha and Justin Bieber (Tom Brady diss) have better flow than most of the so-called rappers on the radio nowadays. Have any of you guys listened to this song called "Toot It and Boot It"?

Both Pac and Biggie are rolling over in their graves.[/quote]

You know what that statement reminds me of... Remember P. Diddy's 90's protege Mase?

lol man that dude always sounded like he was drinking heavily before he recorded. Never heard a dude slur his words more than Mase. It was like he was rapping with a lisp.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;755679]You know what that statement reminds me of... Remember P. Diddy's 90's protege Mase?

lol man that dude always sounded like he was drinking heavily before he recorded. Never heard a dude slur his words more than Mase. It was like he was rapping with a lisp.[/quote]

Ha! Good call on Mase... interestingly enough, he didn't always used to sound like a slow lisper. When he was Murda Mase, dude could actually rhyme (laid down stuff with Big L).

[YT]k6V6m7sOcts[/YT]

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[quote=SmootSmack;755663]Regardless of Tupac or Biggie, can we all agree that what's being put out these days is pretty awful? It's no Rakim. I mean really, Drake?! Ugh...Guru is rolling over in his grave.[/quote]

are you talking about guru from gangstarr who came up with super intelligent lines like

lemonade is a popular drink
and it still is
i get more props for my stunts
than bruce willis

like baggy jeans
im crazy hip hop
check one two
and you dont stop

guru was good with step in the arena and hard to earn, but come on man, dj premieres beats were the only reason that gangstarr was who they were.

sorry, i used to love gangstarr but guru was so cheesy imo. just like common was good with Can i borrow a dollar and resurection then he went cheesy too. at least with common you could see that his music evolved as he matured and that was the reason for his decline from being a true hip hop mainstay. his artistic motivations changed as his life changed. guru? i dont even know what that short bama is doing, probably trying to put out jazzmatazz 13.

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[quote=over the mountain;755796]are you talking about guru from gangstarr who came up with super intelligent lines like

lemonade is a popular drink
and it still is
i get more props for my stunts
than bruce willis

like baggy jeans
im crazy hip hop
check one two
and you dont stop

guru was good with step in the arena and hard to earn, but come on man, dj premieres beats were the only reason that gangstarr was who they were.

sorry, i used to love gangstarr but guru was so cheesy imo. just like common was good with Can i borrow a dollar and resurection then he went cheesy too. at least with common you could see that his music evolved as he matured and that was the reason for his decline from being a true hip hop mainstay. his artistic motivations changed as his life changed. guru? i dont even know what that short bama is doing, probably trying to put out jazzmatazz 13.[/quote]

Well I was talking more so about the presentation than the lyrics themselves. Though Rakim's verses were a...mazing. Who knows what guys like Drake are even saying?

Guru passed away earlier this year, hence the rolling over in his grave comment

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yeah sorry SS, i just got this mental hangup to go on a rant whenever someone says guru was good lyrically. its a problem i have identified, when i will be able to let it go i just dont know.

dang i didnt even know he passed away. im real surprised i didnt hear that or i probably heard it then forgot it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;755812]Well I was talking more so about the presentation than the lyrics themselves. Though Rakim's verses were a...mazing. [B]Who knows what guys like Drake are even saying[/B]?

Guru passed away earlier this year, hence the rolling over in his grave comment[/quote]

I do. I can rap some of his songs from heart. Dedicated fan! Well okay, so I just like him because he's sexy. But it counts! I don't think it's really hard to tell what Drake's rapping about, if you listen to the "Thank me Later" CD, there's really decent stuff on there... "Fireworks" and "Unforgettable" are 2 of my favs... Especially since he sampled the "At Your Best" cover by Aaliyah, originally by the Isley Brothers for the "Unforgettable" track.

I have a much harder time with Weezy's lyrics, and I love Weezy cause he has some killer rhymes but some of his lines are just ridiculous.

"Turn you into a vegetable like you lying in soup." :doh: Come on Weezy...

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Sorry Dynamite, but Drake is wack. Weezy is also wack IMO. The below Drake parody really says it all:

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxlNcDkVtiI"]YouTube - Drake - Best I Ever Had (Parody)[/URL]

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[quote=hooskins;755932]Sorry Dynamite, but Drake is wake. Weezy is also wack IMO. The below Drake parody really says it all:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxlNcDkVtiI]YouTube - Drake - Best I Ever Had (Parody)[/url][/quote]

That was funny!

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Lil wayne

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Easily one of the best song of the 90's and I feel Tupac's best. LOVE this song. And for people that say rap is pointless, this is one of the better ones.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfXwmDGJAB8"]YouTube - 2Pac - Keep Ya Head Up[/ame]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;755999]Lil wayne[/quote]

Saw Lil Wayne here once. Biggest entourage I've ever seen for a celebrity here (athlete/actor/musician). Had to have like 40 people with him

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@Chico: Have you seen the parody of that video? That's got some of the most insanely stupid, yet quotable lines I've heard in a while.

"****ing magnets, how do they work?" Lolllllllllllllll, I'd be suprised if they got a 6th grade education.

@DRave: Don't bother telling her how much they suck, and/or how mentally challenged they are. I've tried that route, and all it does is turn Clown Posse Nation against you. Either she will eventually see it for herself, or she'll turn into one of them. When I see stories like the one about that "Juggalette" who was pregnant, had the baby, and the baby died at birth because her mother didn't know drinking, smoking lots of weed and taking assloads of prescription drugs was bad for the fetus, and how the mother blamed it on the doctors, well it tells me everything I need to know about them.

I do gotta give props to ICP though, if it wasn't for them I wouldn't be able to enjoy ICP parodies because they wouldn't exist. So bless them for that, even if they are turning a large part of my fellow young adults into idiots with no future.

As for Drake/Lil' Wayne, I do enjoy them but I don't think lyrically they match up at all with Biggie and Pac. And even though they are defined as "rappers", when I hear songs where they are speaking almost normally, well it's hard to call them rappers after that. I'm diggin the music but the lyrics just don't compare. For example I love that song "Every Girl" by Young Money but when the entire song is talking about wanting to screw every girl in the world, it's not even comparible to songs like Brenda's Got a Baby.

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[url=http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/If-the-Pac-12-wants-its-domain-name-it-has-to-g?urn=ncaaf-319780]If the Pac-12 wants its domain name, it has to go through Tupac - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;754786]Both are scum and never figured out why people glorified their life. I see football players called scum here for allot less. I guess maybe NFL players are held to a higher standard then MTV. No telling how many kids copied them and are dead today or have killed coping them.[/quote]

Completely disagree with this statement.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;755137]2Pac touched me Biggie never did.[/quote]

Did you file a police report?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;784219]Completely disagree with this statement.[/quote]

I'd love to know what part of the statement you disagree with. You want your kids growing up as gang bangers?

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[quote=firstdown;784262]I'd love to know what part of the statement you disagree with. You want your kids growing up as gang bangers?[/quote]

Why cant they tell their story? Certainly growing up in white suburbia I never was exposed to whats in their music...sure its glorified in a sense, but its real. Just like how people like gangster movies or TV ie the Godfather, the Sopranos...its the samething. I just dont like the arguement people are driven to violence cause of the media. People dont like it, change the channel on the TV or radio. Certainly if more people believed your arguement was valid, it wouldnt have seen the absolute massive growth its experienced in the 20 years...its made a shit ton of money for big media businesses as well. People speak with their wallet.

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[quote=firstdown;784262]I'd love to know what part of the statement you disagree with. You want your kids growing up as gang bangers?[/quote]

Not going to have kids but by that logic watching Denzel Washington in Training Day will make all our kids grow up to be corrupt cops.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;784277]Not going to have kids but by that logic watching Denzel Washington in Training Day will make all our kids grow up to be corrupt cops.[/quote]

If I become a corrupt cop can I get Eva Mendes to be my bitch? Sweet!

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[quote=Chico23231;784270]Why cant they tell their story? Certainly growing up in white suburbia I never was exposed to whats in their music...sure its glorified in a sense, but its real. Just like how people like gangster movies or TV ie the Godfather, the Sopranos...its the samething. I just dont like the arguement people are driven to violence cause of the media. People dont like it, change the channel on the TV or radio. [B]Certainly if more people believed your arguement was valid, it wouldnt have seen the absolute massive growth its experienced in the 20 years...its made a shit ton of money for big media businesses as well. People speak with their wallet.[/quote][/B]

You answered your own question. The reason its gone on is because of the money and when people have spoke against it they got called racists. I'm not foolish enough to think that ever kid that listen to gangster rap will join a gang but the vulnerable children without guidance are at greater risk. They have the freedom to produce this crap but I don't have to agree that its good for our kids. I'm not blind I can see what is going on wth our youth.