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[quote=mlmdub130;769725]i have felt right on with 90% of your post this season. this year to me has been worse. i didn't expect to win 10 games or anything, i just expected to look somewhat competitive and have a god damn plan of action in place. i could have made better moves with this team this year...[/quote]

Well, we didn't set any set records last year. Now Sheli and the Eagles all have something to brag about 50 years from now.

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We're going to draft a QB next April. It's gonna happen. So I guess the thinking is that we're going to need a vet to bridge the gap while a rookie learns? Supposedly Grossman has a much better handle on Kyle's offense, and McNabb would cost nearly $13M to bring back next year. Ok, fine. But the way this has been handled is epic fail. A 2nd and 3rd round for a 12 game rental (to quote Czaban). Fail fail fail.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;769789]Is there any chance that this move is being made to prevent clauses in the trade that would escalate what we owe Philly?[/quote]

I think we would have had to make the playoffs or DM make the Pro Bowl for the compensation to elevate.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;769786]Mike Wilbon, Thom Loverro, and Steve Czaban all think that Shanahan's essentially one and done in Washington ala Marty and this is Shanahan's way of saying "F U" to washington. he's doing "donoughts in the lawn" on his way out.[/quote]

Why though? What have we done to make Shanny want to get out? We gave him total control, it appears Snyder has completely stayed out of personal decisions other than writing the checks, so what would be the factor in making Shanny want to leave Washington? He's essentially the GM too, I mean I know Bruce Allen has the title but Allen has never really been a true GM in the sense of the word.

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Yay bitches! We're bringin' Rexy back!!!!! Take it to the endzone! That is all

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[quote=$xxyRxxy;769797]Yay bitches! We're bringin' Rexy back!!!!! Take it to the endzone! That is all[/quote]

:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

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The only thing I see that will start to fix this entire organization is something along the lines of a Bucs overhaul. They dumped every veteran on their roster almost and built the team with picks and young free agents. Maybe we don't do well for a season or two, but we haven't been doing well for awhile now. I seriously hope they can do something like this, and I wouldn't be upset if Shanny was still here to do it. I can't believe the number of people that are saying Shanny won't be here next year. I would be shocked if he wasn't.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;769792]Agreed. Honestly, it's disheartening when the team (with the resumes these guys have) makes decisions that a large % of the fanbase goes "what are you thinking?" and then the fanbase turns out to be right. But like SS said earlier, MS seems to be admitting making a mistake in picking up McNabb. If that's the situation, I'm glad he's not compounding it by stubbornly sticking with the guy he brought it.[/quote]

I agree, the only bright side is they're not going to stick with their mistake just because of what they gave up for him.

If they have already determined that DM isn't a good fit for this offense (and rumors say that Kyle already has his mind up on that), fine, cut the cord and move on. I've got no problem with that at all.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;769789]Is there any chance that this move is being made to prevent clauses in the trade that would escalate what we owe Philly?[/quote]

Nope. He does miss a game bonus if he's not on the active roster though

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[quote=mlmdub130;769788]i think you have to look at the team as a whole, you can't keep scapegoating players year in and year out, shit this is the third? player we have turned into a scapegoat this year alone. we are a horrible team and mcnabb hasn't played great but he isn't the only problem with this team, and i would say he isn't the biggest problem either.[/quote]

No, he's not the only problem, but he IS A PROBLEM. And if you're a problem, adios. McNabb has only gotten by on reputation this year. Hell, we traded for him based on reputation and he made (minimum) an extra 3.5 m this year off of that same rep. It was a huge mistake, one that a lot of us saw coming. But keeping his ineffective, bounce passing ass around and pretending like he's not a shell of his former self would be insanity.

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I don't think Shanahan is going anywhere, unless we are really determined to keep spinning our wheels, another HC change isn't going to help and will only compound our problems.

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[quote=GMScud;769763]And the circus continues. Ahh man. I really help just laughing at this point.

Yeah, Schefter just said "the marriage between the Skins and McNabb is over. It's over."

McNabb will play in Arizona (his home) next year, and then just fade into retirement.

Sigh.[/quote]

Very striking that history always seems to repeat itself. Jason Taylor goes bye-bye and he started lighting it up in Miami. Watch as McNabb goes to Minny or 'Zona and starts lighting it up with Sidney Rice or Larry Fitz(if Larry wants to stay, that is). Minny runs ReidCO, so he has no transition to worry about.

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[quote=SmootSmack;769744]In many ways, this is reminiscent of Al Saunders lobbying vigorously for Todd Collins to start, to show his offense works. Can't help but think Kyle Shanahan is doing the same here.[/quote]

Agreed. That's what makes it such a dick move, too. McNabb was closing in on a personal and franchise record for completions as well as being our first 4,000 yard passer in this millenium.

Plus, he's been an NFC East guy his whole career. Nobody would have wanted to beat the Cowboys in Dallas more than McNabb.

It might be a good move to give Grossman more reps against Jacksonville and New York, but you don't have to START the guy to evaluate him! We don't have a chance for a winning season, but we have a shot at avoiding a losing season. Hell, we've got 2 division games left!

And sure, we have to evaluate players, but we're 5-8, eliminated from the playoffs, and playing in the physical manifestation of the collective egos of Jerry Jones and every obnoxious Cowboy fan in the world. I got news for everybody, but Sunday is the Super Bowl for anybody left who cares about this team.

I was unofficial chairman of the "Hire Russ Grimm" coalition before Shanahan was hired, and he has done nothing this season to sway me from my preference. I don't think the guy should be fired, but he is going to have to have a perfect offseason for me to even start to come around . . . especially if his son is sticking around.

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[quote=SkinzWin;769800]The only thing I see that will start to fix this entire organization is something along the lines of a Bucs overhaul. They dumped every veteran on their roster almost and built the team with picks and young free agents. Maybe we don't do well for a season or two, but we haven't been doing well for awhile now. I seriously hope they can do something like this, and I wouldn't be upset if Shanny was still here to do it. I can't believe the number of people that are saying Shanny won't be here next year. I would be shocked if he wasn't.[/quote]

Agreed. There are still some decent vets that we need to retain, but an overhaul is way long overdue. Just gonna be challenging given the lack of draft picks due to poor mgt./coaching decisions.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;769787]Just listening to Theismann on NFL network and not hearing a ringing endorsement of DMac. He says basically that DMac played himself out of the position.[/quote]

Can't argue with that really

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[quote=SmootSmack;769802]Nope. He does miss a game bonus if he's not on the active roster though[/quote]

Ok, I read he was near career high in yardage and thought maybe there was some sort of escalation based on that. Thanks

On another note, Chris Cooley is frustrated, but it's hard to tell who it's with:

[url=http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2010/122010/12172010/594906/index_html?page=1]Fredericksburg.com - Cooley trying to keep his cool - page 1 FLS[/url]

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Also, I think the offense will look better on Sunday, but there will be plenty of WTFs as Grossman throws a few picks. We will get a touchdown though.

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We are acting like Donovan won 3 Super Bowls for us. We are benching the QB on a 5-8 team. People are assuming Shanny is done in DC, the team will revolt...it's all nonsense. Shanny is in year 1 of a rebuild. The only legitimate thing on the table today is that maybe McNabb is not coming back next year and we made a bad trade. The rest of this sky is falling stuff is the typical over reaction that happens here in Redskins world.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;769805]Very striking that history always seems to repeat itself. Jason Taylor goes bye-bye and he started lighting it up in Miami. Watch as McNabb goes to Minny or 'Zona and starts lighting it up with Sidney Rice or Larry Fitz(if Larry wants to stay, that is). Minny runs ReidCO, so he has no transition to worry about.[/quote]

If JT was that good then why did they let him go to the Jets.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;769809]Ok, I read he was near career high in yardage and thought maybe there was some sort of escalation based on that. Thanks

On another note, Chris Cooley is frustrated, but it's hard to tell who it's with:

[url=http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2010/122010/12172010/594906/index_html?page=1]Fredericksburg.com - Cooley trying to keep his cool - page 1 FLS[/url][/quote]

Cooley could simply has a high floor and ceiling. We're NOWHERE near the ceiling. Cooley should be used more. Is 1000 yds for a TE rare? But he is our #1 target, and 1000 yds for your #1 target is not rare.

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Well I'm glad I held off on buying that #5 jersey I wanted

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[quote=Zorn on the 4th of July;769806]Agreed. That's what makes it such a dick move, too. McNabb was closing in on a personal and franchise record for completions as well as being our first 4,000 yard passer in this millenium.

Plus, he's been an NFC East guy his whole career. Nobody would have wanted to beat the Cowboys in Dallas more than McNabb.

[/quote]

Seriously? Who gives a **** about his personal records and achievement. The only thing worse than his play is your argument.

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I have one question -

If McNabb "played himself out of a position" then how the [BLEEP] is Casey Rabach still starting?

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[quote=firstdown;769812]If JT was that good then why did they let him go to the Jets.[/quote]

They felt that he cost too much and was too old, but he was back to producing once he re-signed with Miami. 7 sacks, 5 pass defensed, and an interception.

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[quote=firstdown;769812]If JT was that good then why did they let him go to the Jets.[/quote]

Plus he's been transparent when watching Jets games this year.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;769809]Ok, I read he was near career high in yardage and thought maybe there was some sort of escalation based on that. Thanks

On another note, Chris Cooley is frustrated, but it's hard to tell who it's with:

[URL="http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2010/122010/12172010/594906/index_html?page=1"]Fredericksburg.com - Cooley trying to keep his cool - page 1 FLS[/URL][/quote]

Sounds like he's just fed up with everything... losing, having balls skipped to him or tossed over his head, and the fact that another coaching change has resulted in the same sad results on the field.

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I remember back to asking the question,"Why trade for McNabb if you know you are rebuilding?" And I guess this answers the question in the sense that Shanny agrees with me in that it was the wrong move if we are truly "rebuilding." I will agree that this is probably just the Shannies admitting it was a mistake and moving on. I doubt McNabb plays another down for the Redskins, but it is better to admit it was a mistake and move on rather than the alternative.

Good luck to McNabb and I do hope wherever he goes that he finds success as long as it isn't against the Redskins. I do feel he deserved to be treated better than this but this is just part of the business that is the NFL.

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[quote=Zorn on the 4th of July;769806]...

[B]Plus, he's been an NFC East guy his whole career. Nobody would have wanted to beat the Cowboys in Dallas more than McNabb.[/B]

...[/quote]

To be fair, McNabb has gotten lit up by the Cowboys many more times than he has lit them up, especially last year. I don't think that desire alone would have carried the day. (No I am not saying Grossman would either)

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[quote=skinsfan69;769780]There have been many times where he's had good protection and he's throwing late or into the ground. I haven't see DM throw anyone open this year. The wr's are always reaching back or jumping up high to catch balls. Don't have a problem with them benching him, it's how they handle it that pisses me off.[/quote]

Oh yeah, McNabb has definitely not played well and hell, in the Tennessee game he had LOADS of time to throw and the O line looked pretty good and he was all over the place. But on the whole it's not a good O line. Especially in the depth department. My problem is the same as yours, I'm baffled at the whole process, from the original trade, to the benching, to the extension, now to the basic firing. It's not the benching of a poor player that erks me, it's the benching of a player we gave up 2 draft picks for and just re signed. Doesn't seem like the habits of a 2 time super bowl winning coach.

Basically this year we payed Albert about 24 mil for 8 games playing about 15 plays per game and a 3.4 mil bonus for Donovan to play 3 or 4 poor games. That's got to be some of the easiest money ever made in the history of man.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;769816]I have one question -

If McNabb "played himself out of a position" then how the [BLEEP] is Casey Rabach still starting?[/quote]

The only answer I can think of is that they don't like their options behind Rabach? I think we're stuck with him until the end of the season. The bigger question will be whether they do anything with him in the offseason. If they don't deem replacing him a high enough priority we might see a revolt against the Skins before next season lol.

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Who would have thought the Haynesworth story would not have been the biggest story coming out of Redskins park at season's end.

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This team needs to be blowed up (thanks Emmit). At this point hanging on to McNabb for any reason presents too much of a temptation to think we can just tweak the team into being good. It can't be done. Overhaul is in order and I don't care if he has lost the locker room because most of the locker room is going to be shown the door in the next two seasons if Shanny actually tries to rebuild this thing from the bottom up.

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Per NFL Network, Shanny stating that he would evaluate drafting a QB in the draft nxt. year. But, he's also not ruling out keeping DMac nxt. season even though he is now slotted as the 3RD string QB...ouch!

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I'd say there is no chance 5 is here next season..
Kyle Orton anyone?

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Draft a QB or not we still need a starter next year. I'm halfway tempted to say let Rex get banged around back there next year while (hopefully) a rookie holds a clipboard. At this point I really think we need to come out of the draft with a future QB and 2 OLinemen (one of which has to start next year). That's a tall order. No more trading draft picks...in fact it is time to consider trading our good players to accumulate picks.

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So an earlier report says McNabb and Grossman were told at the beginning of the week. But now I guess Shanahan is saying he let them all know yesterday for the rest of the year Rex is #1, and Beck is #2

One of my favorite scenes ever from The Cosby Show perfectly captures my feelings toward this. It's not so much the news, it's how the news was delivered (you can skip to the 2:17 mark)

[YT]QrRUXsDumrM[/YT]

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When Shanahan says that he was going to bench McNabb after we were "mathmatically" removed from playoff contention, it leads me to believe that he indeed felt DMac gave the team the best shot at winning (at least up to that point) and now wants to put him on ice in terms of possibly protecting him in hope of trading him later when the season is over. I dunno, just guessing at this point.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;769834]When Shanahan says that he was going to bench McNabb after we were "mathmatically" removed from playoff contention, it leads me to believe that he indeed felt DMac gave the team the best shot at winning (at least up to that point) and now wants to put him on ice in terms of possibly protecting him in hope of trading him later when the season is over. I dunno, just guessing at this point.[/quote]

Since when does benching someone do any good for their trade value? It's not like players are 20 year old bottles of scotch. Which reminds me, I'll need to be looking into that this offseason.

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I wouldn't be shocked if Mcnabb ended up as vicks backup next season in Philly, seriously who gives him a chance as the starter? Maybe AZ or Min but I doubt the market will be that great for him

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Stop wasting draft picks on bad deals; start drafting better and start over...AGAIN!!! And why is Shanny calling ALL the shots? Why did they hire Bruce Allen if it seems he doesn't do anything here? We continue to see this same movie each season...and the ending stinks!