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[quote=44ever;784359]If this is true and there are charges. [B]I wonder if there is anything in his contract that the Redskins can use against him to recover any money or if this violates his contract in any way?[/B][/quote]

Honestly, if Shanahan truly wants to change the culture of this team, he should not care about getting money back and just get rid of the guy. I know it is a LOT of money, but they just need to cut their loses. I feel that they've been wanting to salvage this situation (getting money or picks back) but this just need to go away.

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OMG!!!!.This guy is a train wreck.

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J.H.C. I've been holding out hope that we could get some kind of value out of this Haynesworth but I'm throwing in the towel. True or not I just want him off our team!

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""Subject 1," according to the report, tried to give her his credit card and asked if he could place it in her blouse. She nodded and he placed the card into her blouse and started to caress her breast."

If that is true, lol what an idiot.

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One man's Valentine's Day gift is another man's ticket to jail.

All a matter of perception.


Wait, what?


[B]

If (when) he goes to jail, does that give us legal justification to recoup the bonus money and void his contract? [/B] :D

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[quote=hooskins;784374]""Subject 1," according to the report, tried to give her his credit card and asked if he could place it in her blouse. She nodded and he placed the card into her blouse and started to caress her breast."

If that is true, lol what an idiot.[/quote]



Wait...he had permission!

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Mike Tyson II

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;784373]J.H.C. I've been holding out hope that we could get some kind of value out of this Haynesworth but I'm throwing in the towel. [B]True or not[/B] I just want him off our team![/quote]


I dont understand that one bit????

I do think that this will take his value down quite a bit though..... Honestly i dont see whats so bad about keeping him if we dont get anything for him, at least until the end of training camp.

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Release Haynesworth now. This is only going to get worse for us if we keep him.

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[quote=mlmpetert;784379]I dont understand that one bit????

I do think that this will take his value down quite a bit though..... Honestly i dont see whats so bad about keeping him if we dont get anything for him, at least until the end of training camp.[/quote]Because he's a ****ing embarrassment! Our owner is already a national joke and this d-bag just keeps on bringing more bad press every week and I, for one, am sick of it.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;784371]OMG!!!!.This guy is a train wreck.[/quote]

He's not a train wreck. He's a freaking plane crash! lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;784384]He's not a train wreck. He's a freaking plane crash! lol.[/quote]
Jumbo jet.

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I hope he enjoys that 100 million, while he pays his attourney. The Redskins should hold onto him for the duration of his contract so he can't play again. The Skins have already wasted millions on him. What's another tens of millions to Snyder?

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[quote=gldnju;784389]I hope he enjoys that 100 million, while he pays his attourney. The Redskins should hold onto him for the duration of his contract so he can't play again. The Skins have already wasted millions on him. What's another tens of millions to Snyder?[/quote]

$3 increase in the parking lot fee on gameday. :D

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[quote=Ruhskins;784368]Honestly, if Shanahan truly wants to change the culture of this team, he should not care about getting money back and just get rid of the guy. I know it is a LOT of money, but they just need to cut their loses. I feel that they've been wanting to salvage this situation (getting money or picks back) but this just need to go away.[/quote]


I think most people don't understand Shanny's stance. It's goes something like this. If you come here and accept our money, be prepared to play. If not, I'm going to put you in football exile to rot.


Otherwise, you open yourself up to other free agents to come get paid, loaf/bullshit and get cut so they can continue their careers on another team. Him being cut is exactly what he wants. You don't give a player like that what he wants. Putting him into exile is worse.

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Sounds like she is like the other guy and just trying to make some buck of AH. I don't know about you but when I was single when I got the ok my hands were on them tits.

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[quote=NC_Skins;784392][B]I think most people don't understand Shanny's stance. It's goes something like this. If you come here and accept our money, be prepared to play. If not, I'm going to put you in football exile to rot.[/B]

Otherwise, you open yourself up to other free agents to come get paid, loaf/bullshit and get cut so they can continue their careers on another team. Him being cut is exactly what he wants. You don't give a player like that what he wants. Putting him into exile is worse.[/quote]

Yes, but it wasn't Shanahan that brought Haynesworth, it was Vinny (the guy people seem to forget around here). And while true, Haynesworth flat out lied to get his 21 million, this situation has been nothing more than a huge media circus. I would prefer that Shanahan focuses on more important things, like turning this team around, instead of playing who's the boss with a guy that is not worth it.

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[quote=firstdown;784394]Sounds like she is like the other guy and just trying to make some buck of AH. I don't know about you but when I was single when I got the ok my hands were on them tits.[/quote]

Only replying to the first part of your post...I actually thought this could be part of it. He looks like an easy target for payday right now. Sure, he acted stupidly (to quote the President) in both cases, but in both cases, the "victim" looks like an instigator too. Not defending his idiotic actions, but I think both parties have a share of the fault.

She game him permission to put something in her blouse THEN was surprised when a hand went down? Really?

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It's all about perception. A womens idea of a man sliding his credit card into her bra is the man pushing the credit card into the bra up until his fingers touch the edge of the bra. The mans idea is to push the credit card into the bra as far as the bra will allow him to push it and move it around till the credit card is in the right spot. Should the man touch anything extra on this adventure then lucky him.

Lol. It's not a bad trick but my luck I wouldn't get my credit card back.

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[quote=Ruhskins;784395]Yes, but it wasn't Shanahan that brought Haynesworth, it was Vinny (the guy people seem to forget around here). And while true, Haynesworth flat out lied to get his 21 million, this situation has been nothing more than a huge media circus. I would prefer that Shanahan focuses on more important things, like turning this team around, instead of playing who's the boss with a guy that is not worth it.[/quote]

I know it was Vinny's shit (more likely Dan's), but it has to be dealt with. Once the contract was redone and he took that 21 million dollar check, and lied to Shanny's face, it became his issue to deal with and he's doing it the right way.

It's a simple message. You take the money and lie to me, and I'm going to end your football career with you watching the game from at home. Didn't Dan threaten L. Coles with the same thing about buying him a TV?

At this point, he has three options.

1) give back some of that signing bonus (fat chance)
2) sit at home on inactive list and have his career rot
3) come in, attend camp/OTAs like others, and play like he's supposed to (fat chance as well on this)


You absolutely do not give him what he wants (to be cut to resign with another team for yet more money). If you do that, what do you think the next idiot comes along is going to do? (aka...shaun rogers)

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This is getting better every day!

Dude's trade value is now at an all time high!

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[quote=wilsowilso;784402]This is getting better every day!

Dude's trade value is now at an all time high![/quote]



[IMG]http://www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb300/20090117/Nothing-Nada-Zilch-Road-Sign-1040444.jpg[/IMG]


I imagine we'll be seeing a 4 game suspension from the Commissioner very soon.

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Threads merged

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This is the redskins after all. That means Haynesworth will likely be brought back...sad but true.

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This is all because SS or Matty sent the Redskins cursed thread to thread hell. Thanks a lot guys
.

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[quote=44ever;784407]This is all because SS or Matty sent the Redskins cursed thread to thread hell. Thanks a lot guys
.[/quote]

Um that was BrudLee...yeah BrudLee

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[quote=NC_Skins;784400][B]You absolutely do not give him what he wants (to be cut to resign with another team for yet more money)[/B]. If you do that, what do you think the next idiot comes along is going to do? (aka...shaun rogers)[/quote]

I'm sorry but we're way past that. This team already gave him what he wants, and that was the 21 million bucks and whatever else money he got paid already. If Mike Shanahan wants to continue to keep this guy on this team, he's just as stupid as whoever told Snyder to sue the City Paper (in creating an unnecessary media circus).

Like I said, I don't give a damn about Albert Haynesworth and what he does, but I want him off this team. Nothing good will come out of him being on the roster. And I'm sick of this "oh Shanahan is setting and example and changing the culture of the team" blah blah blah crap.

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[quote=SmootSmack;784408]Um that was BrudLee...yeah BrudLee[/quote]

Sorry. Thanks a lot BrudLee.

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[quote=Ruhskins;784410]I'm sorry but we're way past that. This team already gave him what he wants, and that was the 21 million bucks and whatever else money he got paid already. If Mike Shanahan wants to continue to keep this guy on this team, he's just as stupid as whoever told Snyder to sue the City Paper (in creating an unnecessary media circus).

Like I said, I don't give a damn about Albert Haynesworth and what he does, but I want him off this team. Nothing good will come out of him being on the roster. And I'm sick of this "oh Shanahan is setting and example and changing the culture of the team" blah blah blah crap.[/quote]

I suggest you review Shanny's (and pat bowlen's history) in regards to another disgruntled/lazy DT by the name of Daryl Gardener


[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1756473]DT was a disappointment last year - NFL - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1681478]'Non-football illness' will keep DT out - NFL - ESPN[/url]

Contrary to belief, the man knows what he's doing.

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[quote=NC_Skins;784413]I suggest you review Shanny's (and pat bowlen's history) in regards to another disgruntled/lazy DT by the name of Daryl Gardener

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1756473]DT was a disappointment last year - NFL - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1681478]'Non-football illness' will keep DT out - NFL - ESPN[/url]

Contrary to belief, the man knows what he's doing.[/quote]

Well this would be great if the team had consecutive years of being 10-6, appearing in the playoffs, and being 5-6 years from winning back-to-back Super Bowls. As someone mentions, winning cures everything. He's not winning and the team doesn't need this drama.

Personally, I am more concerned about this team winning, than Albert Haynesworth learning a lesson. Personally, I think it is a bit naive for someone to be so concerned that this guy "learns his lesson" and "never plays for another NFL team again". This team has bigger problems than Albert Haynesworth, and keeping him around just adds another problem in my opinion.

Vinny Cerrato, who had a hand in destroying this team and brought Haynesworth to the team, is out there serving as an analyst and consulting with college teams. Do I give a damn about that? No, because he is gone and is no longer a problem. If he becomes the GM for another team, I really don't care because it would be worst for them. I'm just glad that he is gone and is no longer a problem for the Redskins.

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I cannot wait until this peice of huddah is off this roster....

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[quote=Ruhskins;784417]He's not winning and the team doesn't need this drama. [/quote]

He's doing a heck of a job for what he has to work with (minus the McNabb trade). Lets be honest, he was handed a shit team with more holes than a block of swiss cheese. I didn't expect winning till about his 3rd season.

[quote=Ruhskins;784417]Personally, I am more concerned about this team winning, than Albert Haynesworth learning a lesson. Personally, I think it is a bit naive for someone to be so concerned that this guy "learns his lesson" and "never plays for another NFL team again". This team has bigger problems than Albert Haynesworth, and keeping him around just adds another problem in my opinion.[/quote]

I don't think it's about him "learning a lesson". Guys like that don't learn to be honest with you (neither did Darryl Gardner). I think it's more about setting the precedence so others will know what to expect if/when they so choose to go that route.



[quote=Ruhskins;784417]Vinny Cerrato, who had a hand in destroying this team and brought Haynesworth to the team, is out there serving as an analyst and consulting with college teams. Do I give a damn about that? No, because he is gone and is no longer a problem. If he becomes the GM for another team, I really don't care because it would be worst for them. I'm just glad that he is gone and is no longer a problem for the Redskins.[/quote]

Gibbs had a ton to do with why this team is shit as well. Horrible draft picks, pissing away draft picks for vets and signing huge contracts that end up huge busts. Gibbs should have stayed in NASCAR, but Danny boy knew exactly how to get the Skins nation fired back up so they would continue shelling out the dough.

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What's funny is that I found about this while surfing a political blog. When are we going to cut our losses with this dude.

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Is this all bogus to help manufacture his release from the team.

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[quote=NC_Skins;784423]He's doing a heck of a job for what he has to work with (minus the McNabb trade). Lets be honest, he was handed a shit team with more holes than a block of swiss cheese. I didn't expect winning till about his 3rd season.



I don't think it's about him "learning a lesson". Guys like that don't learn to be honest with you (neither did Darryl Gardner). I think it's more about setting the precedence so others will know what to expect if/when they so choose to go that route.





Gibbs had a ton to do with why this team is shit as well. Horrible draft picks, pissing away draft picks for vets and signing huge contracts that end up huge busts. Gibbs should have stayed in NASCAR, but Danny boy knew exactly how to get the Skins nation fired back up so they would continue shelling out the dough.[/quote]

I disagree with everything you have to say in this post.

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[quote=Defensewins;784431]I disagree with everything you have to say in this post.[/quote]

And the reason is?? At least have some points if you disagree (which you are more than welcome to)

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[quote=SmootSmack;784408]Um that was BrudLee...yeah BrudLee[/quote]
Don't you mean the.....poster formerly known as BrudLee??
As I have not seen a post from him/Her in some time..........

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[quote=NC_Skins;784423]He's doing a heck of a job for what he has to work with (minus the McNabb trade). Lets be honest, he was handed a shit team with more holes than a block of swiss cheese. I didn't expect winning till about his 3rd season.[/quote]

You're missing my point, which is, a winning headcoach can do whatever the hell he wants. Hence Shanahan doing whatever the hell he wanted in Denver, including doing what he did with Gardner. Shanahan has not won anything, except 6 games, with the Redskins. He was handed a shit offense and a pretty good defense, thanks to his changes we have a shit offense and defense. I know he has a lot of challenges to overcome, but he has made some gaffes this season. And personally I wish he would focus on those gaffes a little more than having to worry about some POS that shouldn't be on this team.


[quote=NC_Skins;784423]I don't think it's about him "learning a lesson". Guys like that don't learn to be honest with you (neither did Darryl Gardner). I think it's more about setting the precedence so others will know what to expect if/when they so choose to go that route.[/quote]

The problem with Haynesworth is that we SIGNED a guy like Haynesworth. You know an easier way for Shanahan to deal with this situation? Don't sign headcases to your team, period.


[quote=NC_Skins;784423]Gibbs had a ton to do with why this team is shit as well. Horrible draft picks, pissing away draft picks for vets and signing huge contracts that end up huge busts. Gibbs should have stayed in NASCAR, but Danny boy knew exactly how to get the Skins nation fired back up so they would continue shelling out the dough.[/quote]

But we're not talking about Gibbs. We're talking about someone (Cerrato) who hurt this franchise more than Haynesworth. And someone who is pretty much responsible for bringing in Haynesworth to the team (who you're complaining SO much about).

Once again, fans like you need to get over Albert Haynesworth. Look what Pittsburgh did to Santonio Holmes and what New England did to Randy Moss, they got rid of them when they became a problem. And the Redskins need to follow suit with this situation.

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[quote=Ruhskins;784437]The problem with Haynesworth is that we SIGNED a guy like Haynesworth. You know an easier way for Shanahan to deal with this situation? Don't sign headcases to your team, period. [/quote]

I think we are in total agreement here. I knew this was going to be Stubblefield 2.0 the moment we signed him. Hell, Stubblefield gave us more than he did.




[quote=Ruhskins;784437]But we're not talking about Gibbs. We're talking about someone (Cerrato) who hurt this franchise more than Haynesworth. And someone who is pretty much responsible for bringing in Haynesworth to the team (who you're complaining SO much about).[/quote]

I know Cerrato is very responsible for the mess we are in, but so is Gibbs and Snyder. Gibbs was in control of this franchise for 4 years and pissed away good draft picks for the likes of Brunell, Lloyd, Duckett, Campbell and not even counting the horrible cap issues that were caused by the lame contracts they give to archuletta, brunell, and others. You act as if Cerrato is the sole reason for this, but it's not. In fact, I'm still not convinced a good portion of this crap is from Snyder pulling a jerry jones with Cerrato being the fall guy.



[quote=Ruhskins;784437]Once again, fans like you need to get over Albert Haynesworth. Look what Pittsburgh did to Santonio Holmes and what New England did to Randy Moss, they got rid of them when they became a problem. And the Redskins need to follow suit with this situation.[/quote]

Not sure what you mean by "get over Albert". I can't stand the idiot, and never wanted the fool on this team to begin with. However, I understand exactly what our coach is doing and the precedence he's making. You can't use the New England/Pittsburgh situations to compare this. Patriots got Moss for a 4th rounder and traded him three years later for a 3rd rounder. The Steelers got a 5th rounder for a guy who was a complete headcase and was looking at a 4 game suspension to boot. Much of it still boils down to that $21 million dollar check he accepted.

If we can get value for Haynesworth, then by all means lets do it. However, nobody is willing to give shit for this toolbag and can you blame them?

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[quote=NC_Skins;784440]If we can get value for Haynesworth, then by all means lets do it. However, nobody is willing to give shit for this toolbag and [B]can you blame them?[/B][/quote]

Not if it is going to be a circus all over again. I'm sure if you ask any Redskins player, they'd want Haynesworth gone just to get away from all this circus. People say that Snyder's law suit brings bad publicity to the team, well having Haynesworth on the roster is bad publicity.

Also, New England and Pittsburgh got rid of their problem children while they still had value and before the situation got worst.