Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;790866]FU SS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL PM me please!!!!!:angry-smi

I bet I have a good guess[/quote]

PM me your guess

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Some interesting guesses sent my way. One of them-no; another-maybe last year; the other-hadn't heard anything and I'd be surprised. Keep guessing

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Congratulations to those of you who guessed right. Keep in mind though that this time of year info changes often as just a month ago this guy wasn't even being considered an option for us...and JaMarcus Russell was

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=SmootSmack;790888]Congratulations to those of you who guessed right. Keep in mind though that this time of year info changes often as just a month ago this guy wasn't even being considered an option for us...and JaMarcus Russell was[/quote]

If we guessed right how would we know?

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=30gut;790890]If we guessed right how would we know?[/quote]

You didn't...so you're not off the hook yet

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=SkinzWin;790807]I did. Credit that he can make a team mediocre, average, run of the mill, however you want to say it. Until Jason Campbell or Alex Smith prove they can make a playoff run and actually do something other than play averagely, then I maintain what I have said about them... Just because a guy was a #1 overall pick, or has had a different offensive system every year doesn't mean they will be a great QB. I think they have had the opportunity to show what they have and while they are serviceable, they have not proved they are a top level QB capable of taking a team to the next level. [B]Is Smith paying you to do his PR[/B]?[/quote]

Nope, just talking football. I don't agree with writing him off yet is all. Wherever he ends up, I think he's still got a shot to be a good QB.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

There’s no denying that Mike Shanahan has a large ego, which has probably contributed significantly to his success as an NFL head coach (and probably contributes to the success of many other coaches). And we’ve talked in the past about how his philosophy tends to be find a player based on their best work, thinking that you consistently coach that person to that level. So if Player A is consistently reliable and Player B is erratic but shows flashes of brilliance…go with Player B. But back to the ego, I think it’s in large part to that ego that he seems fixated on finding that QB “failure” that guy who hasn’t quite lived up to expectations and turning him into a star. It’s why he’s had an on and off fascination with JaMarcus Russell since last summer (though I think that’s not going to happen…hope it’s not going to happen), it’s why someone like Locker is often mentioned as a “Shanahan type QB”, it’s why I think and have thought for a while Alex Smith must be someone on the Skins radar…and it’s why there have been serious rumors in the past few days that Vince Young is high on our radar at this time.

That said a) I haven’t been able to verify yet just how serious these rumors may be so don’t jump to any conclusions; b) I don’t know how they plan on making such a move and c) I still believe their first option is 1) find a trade partner for McNabb 2) Sign Grossman to an extension 3) Draft a QB (but not at #10).

Should I hear anything more, of course I’ll let you all know.

But given the choice-Alex Smith or Vince Young? Personally, I take...Matt Hasselbeck. No, but seriously between Smith and Young I think it's a tough call but I think I lean toward Young. Neither was really ever truly embraced by their franchises and their fans (probably Smith more so with the franchise, and Young with the fans); Young does have a winning record, but he won't be bringing Chris Johnson with him; Alex Smith is smart and seems to be a good teammate but how far is that going to take him? Both need a change of scenery in the worst way.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

we need jake plummer.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Lol I knew it was VY!! I called it a few days ago

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

I see Vince as better fit for Mike Shanahan's playcalling style then Kyle Shanahan.
But, I like Vince better then Alex Smith.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Don't forget Leinart. Guy already has a year in the system, but Seattle seems like a much better fit. Then again if Carroll was interested in his former QB he would have signed him before the lock out.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;790981]Don't forget Leinart. Guy already has a year in the system, but Seattle seems like a much better fit. Then again if Carroll was interested in his former QB he would have signed him before the lock out.[/quote]

Not as much interest in Leinart anymore. Feeling is he's probably not going to be more than what they believe they think they can get out of Beck anyway. Vince Young, on the other hand...

Just heard from someone else about the Redskins' interest in VY. Still have no idea how they would plan on doing that.

This time of year kind of sucks for me, too much information. It's as much work filtering through the crap as anything else. That said, this sounds like it could be fairly legit. Not like last year's Peppers rumors, which I could instantly tell was bogus

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=SmootSmack;790991]Not as much interest in Leinart anymore. Feeling is he's probably not going to be more than what they believe they think they can get out of Beck anyway. Vince Young, on the other hand...

Just heard from someone else about the Redskins' interest in VY. Still have no idea how they would plan on doing that.

This time of year kind of sucks for me, too much information. It's as much work filtering through the crap as anything else. That said, this sounds like it could be fairly legit. Not like last year's Peppers rumors, which I could instantly tell was bogus[/quote]

Do you think it sounds like VY would replace Grossman/Mcnabb as the place holder or would it end the possibility of using a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB? I am okay with them signing him instead of Grossman but putting my eggs in his basket as the long term answer I am not okay with at all.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

That's a good question. Maybe they have Young battle it out with Grossman with Beck as the #3. Or they let both Grossman and McNabb walk and take a QB in the later rounds, someone like Taylor or McElroy maybe? But then you're talking about Beck as your #2! Not sure I want that.

If they got Young, would they also take a QB in the 2nd round (they won't in the first, not at #10)? I suppose, but my gut is getting Young would mean they don't want to, or can't, invest in a QB in the first couple of rounds.

It's just a shame we have to do this all over again this year. If it's Young, or Locker, or whoever, I'd just like to get a QB here that will be here under center for at least the next 5 years. 5 years, that's all I ask

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Young & Locker I could get behind...but Young & grossman scares the hell out of me!

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=celts32;791000]Young & Locker I could get behind...but Young & grossman scares the hell out of me![/quote]

Agreed. I don't see the upside of Young and Grossman

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Young is a scary situation for us honestly but for some reason I always thought the redskins would make a serious play for him. I think the guy has rare talents but can he get over his mental shit? That's a big question mark

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

The irony of this VY conversation is the Titans loss to the Redskins was the catalyst that put this potential release/ trade into motion.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Young had a solid year last season, 98.4 qb rating.. He will never be a pure passer nor will he ever be a TOP 5 QB but he's a winner and that's something the Redskins havn't done in a while.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

I would take VY over Smith any day. Smith just doesn't have [B]IT[/B]. VY has a lot of upside and intangibles, but has battled his personality and emotional issues. I say give him an incentive laden contract and write him a VERY large prescription for PAXIL and WAMMO.....

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Hey guys, original question, who would you rather have Vince Young or Jason Campbell?

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Campbell. Oh wait, I want a team to be able to do better than 8-8. If VY can get his head straight in a new venue, definitely him. I've been paralleling Alex Smith and Jason Campbell recently. I don't think Campbell has the [B]IT[/B] to take a team all the way.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Young over JC but not that much

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

That's like picking spinach over brussel sprouts!

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

I love spinach!

Someone asked me if I were a betting man, would I say VY will be the Redskins starter on opening day. Um...my guess is no. Nor will it be Palmer, or Hasselbeck, or Smith, or any other non-Redskin NFL QB rumored or not rumored. I think Grossman will be the opening day starter and a month into the season (give or take a week) the QB I expect us to take in the mid 1st to mid 2nd (probably Dalton, Locker, or Ponder) will be starting.

Then again, around this time last year I bet that we'd sign Grossman but that he'd be cut by the end of preseason, so....shows what I know

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Young would be a waste of a pickup. I still say draft a QB this season and next or just draft one and get a young FA this year. No more perennial backups like Garcia, they just don't win. I rather have a young gun get some teething time in even if he gets a bit roughed up.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=Dirtbag59;791038]Hey guys, original question, who would you rather have Vince Young or Jason Campbell?[/quote]

If you are asking which one as the "bridge QB until we get a young QB up to speed" then Campbell (or just freaking Grossman), b/c that would have meant not wasting draft picks on McNabb.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;791056]Young would be a waste of a pickup. I still say draft a QB this season and next or just draft one and get a young FA this year. No more perennial backups like Garcia, they just don't win. I rather have a young gun get some teething time in even if he gets a bit roughed up.[/quote]


I just don't see MS going in with a Rookie or just Rex next season, I thought Orton would be the guy until the last week or so I thought VY could be the guy, honestly if we have to trade for him I'd give them AH for VY

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

Isn't VY a free agent? I thought I heard somewhere saying that the Titants were planning on releasing him.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=Ruhskins;791062]Isn't VY a free agent? I thought I heard somewhere saying that the Titants were planning on releasing him.[/quote]


I'm not so sure I thought he is still under contract (cba shit not included)

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

SS start a Poll

Should the redskins pursue Vince Young

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=Ruhskins;791062]Isn't VY a free agent? I thought I heard somewhere saying that the Titants were planning on releasing him.[/quote]

No, they'd release him just like the Skins may release McNabb. To move on, but he's not a free agent. Would be after this upcoming season.

He's got like a 4 million roster bonus due. Not really sure what the parameters of that are. Like if the Titans cut him and the Redskins sign him, do the Redskins have to pay him that bonus? Not even sure when the bonus is due

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;791064]SS start a Poll

Should the redskins pursue Vince Young[/quote]

Well this thread was originally about Smith, so it probably should include him. Not really sure what the poll should be though

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=SmootSmack;791067]Well this thread was originally about Smith, so it probably should include him. Not really sure what the poll should be though[/quote]


LOL choose between the 2

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=Mattyk;790775]JC was 7-5 as starter for the Raiders, can't hate on that.[/quote]

Yep and the key word in that statement is RAIDERS. :D

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

trade for Josh Johnson

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=30gut;791190]trade for Josh Johnson[/quote]


How bout trade for Matt Flynn

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=30gut;791190]trade for Josh Johnson[/quote]

You know he was on our radar two years ago...and then we got Colt

Rumor that the Niners may go after JJ. Seems like a fall back plan

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=SmootSmack;791196]You know he was on our radar two years ago...and then we got Colt

Rumor that the Niners may go after JJ. Seems like a fall back plan[/quote]
I remember hearing about that 2 years ago and was hopeful we would draft him.

I really liked him as sleeper QB prospect from that draft (Kevin O'Connell too).

I've read the rumbling's Harbaugh + JJ with the 49ers.
They were a highly productive tandem in 1-AA and Harbaugh had a really high opinion of Johnson.
But it almost makes too much sense to happen.

Did you mean a JJ could be fall back plan for the Skins or 49ers?

It would be cool if Allen/Kyle bring Johnson (he drafted him once right?) in and gave him a shot; he can't cost that much via trade.

I kinda suspect that Kyle really wants to give Rex a crack at the starting spot (which makes me vomit in my mouth a little) but I hope Beck gets a legitimate opportunity.

Re: Redskins Reconstruction: Quarterbacks
 

[quote=30gut;791199]I remember hearing about that 2 years ago and was hopeful we would draft him.

I really liked him as sleeper QB prospect from that draft (Kevin O'Connell too).

I've read the rumbling's Harbaugh + JJ with the 49ers.
They were a highly productive tandem in 1-AA and Harbaugh had a really high opinion of Johnson.
But it almost makes too much sense to happen.

Did you mean a JJ could be fall back plan for the Skins or 49ers?

It would be cool if Allen/Kyle bring Johnson (he drafted him once right?) in and gave him a shot; he can't cost that much via trade.

I kinda suspect that Kyle really wants to give Rex a crack at the starting spot (which makes me vomit in my mouth a little) but I hope Beck gets a legitimate opportunity.[/quote]

Fall back for 49ers, not for us

Yeah Allen drafted him, largely based on Doug Williams' input

I don't think KS really wants to give the job to Rex. I think he's comfortable with him above the other current choices, meaning Beck and McNabb but his preference is someone not on the roster

We should have never let Chase go