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[quote=Mattyk;800457]I haven't sifted through all of this thread yet but here is my initial analysis:

Good to see the front office acknowledge that this team is more than just a player or two away. Moving back multiple times to pick up extra picks was absolutely the way to go in this draft. We need players at pretty much every position so to add 12 rookies to the mix is great to see.

I love that in the scouting profiles I'm reading about these guys some common traits keep jumping off the page. Things like hard worker, passion for the game, leader, high character, etc. So not only are we restocking the team with much needed youth and adding competition at key spots, we've placed an emphasis on character and guys that are going to work their tails off whether it's on the field or off. More than anything that's what I really loved about our draft. Hopefully in a few years we can look back on this draft and see it as a crucial turning point in the building of a winner.[/quote]

I could not agree more.

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All in all I loved the draft philosophy this year. Never thought I could enjoy trading down so much. The draft strategy gets an A in my books.

However I hate drafting skill positions when we have holes in the trenches and all over the team. I can live with Hankerson in the 3rd... fine. But I don't love that 5 of our next 6 picks after round 2 were WRs or RBs.

Who exactly is gonna throw to these receivers? Rexy from his back? And who will open holes for our RBs? I can look past the RBs since Shanny has had success in this area in the past and I don't mind getting him the guys he needs to work his system. But so many WRs?

And of course the elephant in the room is still our QB situation. I now suspect we will target a QB in free agency. I find it hard to believe we'll go thru all of 2011 with just Beck and Rexy. And if we're waiting to draft our QB next year that's fine, but the whole world will know it. There will be no hiding our intentions whatsoever.

Anyways all being said I give them a [B]B[/B] on the 2011 draft.

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Without searching the thread, I may have given it a B early on, but I changed my mind and gave it an A, based on potential alone. It may end up being less than that, but if you had told me on Wednesday, that we add 3 strong possible starters, and several class characters/hard workers I think I would have been very happy.

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I give the overall draft strategy a solid B. I would have given it an A if it had netted us Jake Locker...but oh well.

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I give this draft a B...I like the trade downs for extra picks to hopefully improve the overall depth of the roster.

However, this grade becomes an F if Gabbert develops into a franchise QB. You can not pass on a franchise QB when you don't have one. They obviously feel Gabbert is not one...and I hope to god they were right.

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[quote=Mattyk;800457]I haven't sifted through all of this thread yet but here is my initial analysis:

Good to see the front office acknowledge that this team is more than just a player or two away. Moving back multiple times to pick up extra picks was absolutely the way to go in this draft. We need players at pretty much every position so to add 12 rookies to the mix is great to see.

I love that in the scouting profiles I'm reading about these guys some common traits keep jumping off the page. Things like hard worker, passion for the game, leader, high character, etc. So not only are we restocking the team with much needed youth and adding competition at key spots, we've placed an emphasis on character and guys that are going to work their tails off whether it's on the field or off. More than anything that's what I really loved about our draft. Hopefully in a few years we can look back on this draft and see it as a crucial turning point in the building of a winner.[/quote]

Sweet!! No words could express it any better than that.

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[quote=celts32;800554]I give this draft a B...I like the trade downs for extra picks to hopefully improve the overall depth of the roster.

However, this grade becomes an F if Gabbert develops into a franchise QB. You can not pass on a franchise QB when you don't have one. They obviously feel Gabbert is not one...and I hope to god they were right.[/quote]

Passing for 16 touchdowns in a pass happy spread offense....I'll pass.

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Actually, come to think of it...we're ok at center. Monty was adequate and Lich can play there too. Looks like Shanahan may be hunting for guards in FA(and banking on BMW's return). Yeah, we could have picked up another C, but he'll be behind Monty and Lich.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;800548]All in all I loved the draft philosophy this year. Never thought I could enjoy trading down so much. The draft strategy gets an A in my books.

However I hate drafting skill positions when we have holes in the trenches and all over the team. I can live with Hankerson in the 3rd... fine. But I don't love that 5 of our next 6 picks after round 2 were WRs or RBs.

Who exactly is gonna throw to these receivers? Rexy from his back? And who will open holes for our RBs? I can look past the RBs since Shanny has had success in this area in the past and I don't mind getting him the guys he needs to work his system. But so many WRs?

And of course the elephant in the room is still our QB situation. I now suspect we will target a QB in free agency. I find it hard to believe we'll go thru all of 2011 with just Beck and Rexy. And if we're waiting to draft our QB next year that's fine, but the whole world will know it. There will be no hiding our intentions whatsoever.

Anyways all being said I give them a [B]B[/B] on the 2011 draft.[/quote]

CC,

In fairness, do you really think a mid-round QB is going to start for this team or get significant play time? Most midround QBs take a while to get ramped up, if they ever do. Meanwhile RBs can typically play as rookies. WRs have a learning curve too. I understand filling the trenches, but I like that we spread it out some. I'm glad we focused on offense at least a little.

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[quote=Son Of Man;800558]Passing for 16 touchdowns in a pass happy spread offense....I'll pass.[/quote]

Okay...I agree...I didn't love him either. All I am saying is I hope they were right.

The only thing that bothers me about this draft is that Locker was not there at #10. I am not even saying they needed to do anything different. It's just that after a year and a half of rumors about how much Shanny loved Locker I would have liked to see what they would have done if he were on the board. If he still trades down then i know the rumors were not true...if he drafts him then obviously it was true. I just want to know.

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Kinda hard to grade the draft considering we haven't had free agency yet. Once we sign some free agents the reasons behind the approach we took in the draft will come into focus.

For example if we had already signed a couple of offensive lineman would we be bitching about not drafting one til the later rounds? Probably not. Or if we already had picked up a starting QB would we be crying about not drafting one? Again probably not.

For now I give the draft a solid B. Loved the approach of adding multiple picks and drafting high character guys.

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[quote=Daseal;800564]CC,

In fairness, do you really think a mid-round QB is going to start for this team or get significant play time? Most midround QBs take a while to get ramped up, if they ever do. Meanwhile RBs can typically play as rookies. WRs have a learning curve too. I understand filling the trenches, but I like that we spread it out some. I'm glad we focused on offense at least a little.[/quote]

No I agree a mid-round QB would likely not be an immediate answer. But at least we'd have a young QB on the roster. Then next year we could gauge his progress and decide if we wanna dip in the draft for another QB.

What happens at the 2012 draft if we're still sitting with Rex and Beck at QB? We'll reek of QB desperation.

Anyways just food for thought. I'm definitely not trying to put a downer on this draft, I thought they did an awesome job overall.

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I'd like to have a young QB on the depth chart too, but it doesn't make sense to draft one just for the sake of taking one either. Obviously they didn't feel anyone out there was worth their time.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;800548]All in all I loved the draft philosophy this year. Never thought I could enjoy trading down so much. The draft strategy gets an A in my books.

However I hate drafting skill positions when we have holes in the trenches and all over the team. I can live with Hankerson in the 3rd... fine. But I don't love that 5 of our next 6 picks after round 2 were WRs or RBs.

Who exactly is gonna throw to these receivers? Rexy from his back? And who will open holes for our RBs? I can look past the RBs since Shanny has had success in this area in the past and I don't mind getting him the guys he needs to work his system. But so many WRs?

And of course the elephant in the room is still our QB situation. I now suspect we will target a QB in free agency. I find it hard to believe we'll go thru all of 2011 with just Beck and Rexy. And if we're waiting to draft our QB next year that's fine, but the whole world will know it. There will be no hiding our intentions whatsoever.

Anyways all being said I give them a [B]B[/B] on the 2011 draft.[/quote]

When you're in the 5th or lower rounds, you're just looking for that "1986 Microsoft stock" OR quality depth. Rather than just being satisfied with our inadequate players at both RB and WR from last season, we have given ourselves MORE OPTIONS to see who really is worth keeping and who isn't. Except for Armstrong and Moss, NONE of the WRs we have are so immaculate that they are untouchable. The same applies to our RBs. Hell, Moss might not even be back if he wants to go to a contender to snatch that elusive ring.

No position is actually "addressed" until the coaches observe that the players can play the way the coaches want them to play in.

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I know some think it was overkill taking 3 WRs and 2 RBs, but those are positions that lacked depth and playmakers, so I've got zero problem with going heavy on those positions.

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[quote=Mattyk;800572]I know some think it was overkill taking 3 WRs and 2 RBs, but those are positions that lacked depth and playmakers, so I've got zero problem with going heavy on those positions.[/quote]

I agree. In fact, I hope the Skins bring in more RB's and WR's as UDFA's.

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[quote=Son Of Man;800558]Passing for 16 touchdowns in a pass happy spread offense....I'll pass.[/quote]

Same, and I don't think the interest was ever quite legit. I got sucked into the hype last week and believed it was, should have stuck with my original reports and instincts

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One point where our aging cast may help us, is during this lockout, especially if it extends, We have some good mentors for most every rookie we drafted. Fletcher/Daniels - Kerrigan/Jenkins/Neild, Santana - the WR's, Portis maybe for the RB's. Lots of experience to hook up with the young guys, and all these guys sound like players who will listen to experienced vets.

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[quote=SmootSmack;800579]Same, and I don't think the interest was ever quite legit. I got sucked into the hype last week and believed it was, should have stuck with my original reports and instincts[/quote]

You did call Locker not being there at #10, every one on the draft day coverage appeared to be shocked. Nice intel.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;800597]One point where our aging cast may help us, is during this lockout, especially if it extends, We have some good mentors for most every rookie we drafted. Fletcher/Daniels - Kerrigan/Jenkins/Neild, Santana - the WR's, Portis maybe for the RB's. Lots of experience to hook up with the young guys, and all these guys sound like players who will listen to experienced vets.[/quote]

Portis ain't coming back.

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[quote=Mattyk;800572]I know some think it was overkill taking 3 WRs and 2 RBs, but those are positions that lacked depth and playmakers, so I've got zero problem with going heavy on those positions.[/quote]

You are correct that those positions lacked depth and playmakers. But so does QB as well as DL (well, young depth on the DL). I would not have minded one less WR and one more player in another position.

I have no problems with taking the two RB's we did. We have changed the complexion of our backfield and receivers and that is great.

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I could have gone without the Gomes and with one less WR (although both late round WR's seem to be getting good reviews) in order to add a QB and OL ... BUT since it is a crapshoot, and since only time will tell, I am just basking in the "12 picks?!! Holy Sh**" moment.

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[quote=Mattyk;800572]I know some think it was overkill taking 3 WRs and 2 RBs, but those are positions that lacked depth and playmakers, so I've got zero problem with going heavy on those positions.[/quote]

I don't think it was overkill at all. Santana might not be back and Portis is gone. Torrain & Kelly have been hurt, Keiland Williams & James Davis the jury is still out on them. I think we did well in the draft.

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I gave us a solid B. Liked the first 4 picks alot, the next two less (though I dislike Nebraska a little so this may have played into it) In case anyone didnt see what Parcells said about Kerrigan I will post it below (sorry if this is a repost)

On his Draft show tonight at the very end--

Tiricio: Who are some of the guys..... when they get selected in the draft, you would say, that's a pretty good pick?

Parcells: Ryan Kerrigan. If you look at Purdue's recent history, this guy plays the same position as Cliff Avril, Anthony Spencer, Ray Edwards, Shawn Phillips.....next in line: Ryan Kerrigan.....be a good player for somebody.

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I like the change in philosophy that has occurred (IE we now actually value draft picks!) but some of the trade downs made it seem to me like the FO was trying a little too hard at it, almost like they were trying to send a message that they were serious about changing there MO....anyone thoughts on this?

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[quote=Jontrem;800630]I like the change in philosophy that has occurred (IE we now actually value draft picks!) but some of the trade downs made it seem to me like the FO was trying a little too hard at it, almost like they were trying to send a message that they were serious about changing there MO....anyone thoughts on this?[/quote]

They were simply trying to bring in a lot of players because they are rebuilding the team. I doubt that Mike Shanahan cares what we think.

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I liked our draft. We need a youth infusion into our team and this helps. I really liked the Kerrigan, Hankerson, Helu, Robinson picks. I would have liked to see another OL in there but hey we've got needs everywhere else too.

It's going to take a couple years of doing it this way too. I'm ok w/ that.

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Biggest mistake of the draft. Not using a late round pick on Luck. :D

I remember the Florida Panthers tried to do the same thing with Ovechkin in the 2003 draft.

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Chris Neild is reminding me alot of Kelly Gregg (Ravens) for some reason. Hard nose, try hard scrapper.

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Killing time at the dentist today, I drew out our 3-4 defensive personnel on paper today and came away mildly impressed.

RDE- Jenkins, NT- Bryant/Neild, LDE- Carriker
ROLB- Rak, ILB- Fletcher, ILB- Riley/Henson, LOLB- Kerrigan
FS- Otogwe, SS- Landry
CB- Hall, Barnes, Brandyn Thompson

*And this is without resigning our guys (Los) and before adding FA. Pretty good if you ask me.

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[quote=Son Of Man;800700]Killing time at the dentist today, I drew out our 3-4 defensive personnel on paper today and came away mildly impressed.

RDE- Jenkins, NT- Bryant/Neild, LDE- Carriker
ROLB- Rak, ILB- Fletcher, ILB- Riley/Henson, LOLB- Kerrigan
FS- Otogwe, SS- Landry
CB- Hall, Barnes, Brandyn Thompson

*And this is without resigning our guys (Los) and before adding FA. Pretty good if you ask me.[/quote]

I say F it, let's get Nnamdi.

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[quote=Jontrem;800630]I like the change in philosophy that has occurred (IE we now actually value draft picks!) but some of the trade downs made it seem to me like the FO was trying a little too hard at it, almost like they were trying to send a message that they were serious about changing there MO....anyone thoughts on this?[/quote]

No. Shanahan had never cared what anyone else thinks. The idea that he'd trade Down just to send a message to the fans is downright ridiculous.

I love how the freaking turds at ESPN do their draft breakdown for the NFC east and spend 6 minutes talking about Dallas, 30 seconds on the Skins, Giants and Eagles and then tell everyone if they want to see more about the Cowboys draft, go to espn.com/Dallas. They gave them a B- and us a C. Are you kidding me bro? The Cowboys draft sucked. We got the same guy we would have picked at 10, 6 spots later and turned it into 5 extra quality picks. That's some god damn strategery man. I hope Kiper gets his game show host Afro caught in his Flowbee during his next bi annual hair cut.

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[quote=Ruhskins;800708]I say F it, let's get Nnamdi.[/quote]

Actually, I'm leaning more toward re-signing Los. He can't catch a cold but he is a good cover corner who tackles well and plays physical.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;800548]All in all I loved the draft philosophy this year. Never thought I could enjoy trading down so much. The draft strategy gets an A in my books.

[B]However I hate drafting skill positions when we have holes in the trenches and all over the team. I can live with Hankerson in the 3rd... fine. But I don't love that 5 of our next 6 picks after round 2 were WRs or RBs.[/B]

Who exactly is gonna throw to these receivers? Rexy from his back? And who will open holes for our RBs? I can look past the RBs since Shanny has had success in this area in the past and I don't mind getting him the guys he needs to work his system. But so many WRs?

And of course the elephant in the room is still our QB situation. I now suspect we will target a QB in free agency. I find it hard to believe we'll go thru all of 2011 with just Beck and Rexy. And if we're waiting to draft our QB next year that's fine, but the whole world will know it. There will be no hiding our intentions whatsoever.

Anyways all being said I give them a [B]B[/B] on the 2011 draft.[/quote]

I hear what you're saying, and it's a fair critique. But let me offer an opposing viewpoint...

I figure Shanahan and Allen weighed the odds in the later rounds of the draft, and liked their chances better of catching lightning in a bottle with something this team has sorely lacked -- a weapon; an elusive playmaker with speed who can beat defenders to the endzone.

Perhaps they had more confidence in the offensive line that they've currently got, but less confident in the skill positions that they have. Maybe they didn't like what they saw "in the trenches" in the 5th round and beyond.

Just a thought anyway...

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[quote=Ruhskins;800708]I say F it, let's get Nnamdi.[/quote]

Or a cheaper more experienced corner like Ike Taylor.

[QUOTE=Son Of Man;800723]Actually, I'm leaning more toward re-signing Los. He can't catch a cold but he is a good cover corner who tackles well and plays physical.[/QUOTE]

I guess this will depend how much money he will want.

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[quote=WilbursHomie;800719]I love how the freaking turds at ESPN do their draft breakdown for the NFC east and spend 6 minutes talking about Dallas, 30 seconds on the Skins, Giants and Eagles and then tell everyone if they want to see more about the Cowboys draft, go to espn.com/Dallas. They gave them a B- and us a C. Are you kidding me bro? The Cowboys draft sucked. We got the same guy we would have picked at 10, 6 spots later and turned it into 5 extra quality picks. That's some god damn strategery man. I hope Kiper gets his game show host Afro caught in his Flowbee during his next bi annual hair cut.[/quote]

Hmm, that's ESPN for you, I swear they part own the Cowroids the way they continually heap unwarranted praise on those turds. On the other hand, Dan Patrick totally trashed their draft, and their organization in the most professional way today, and I loved every minute of it. :food-smil

[QUOTE=Jontrem;800630]I like the change in philosophy that has occurred (IE we now actually value draft picks!) but some of the trade downs made it seem to me like the FO was trying a little too hard at it, almost like they were trying to send a message that they were serious about changing there MO....anyone thoughts on this?[/QUOTE]

I think you're trying too hard to rationalize a simple concept, they kept trading down to acquire more picks for a team in dire need of players, simple as that.

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[quote=Mattyk;800730]I think you're trying too hard to rationalize a simple concept, they kept trading down to acquire more picks for a team in dire need of players, simple as that.[/quote]

Agreed. We need youth, and a lot of it. Also, despite trading down a lot, they actually did trade up to get Helu, so I certainly wouldn't say they were trying too hard to send a message.