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Traded for a guy who probably wasn't going to make the final cut here anyway.

Win.

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Whose to say Gaffney will make the final cut either? I'd rather we traded Jarmon for some line help. Good teams build from the lines out, and so far all of our offensive moves have involved skill players, while we still have effectively the same offensive line from last year.

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Gaffney could start tomorrow if there was a game. I think he's got a solid shot to make the roster, much more so than JJ.

The OL moves will come. I don't see hardly any OL moves going on around the league. They'll start to happen later on in the week.

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I understand that Jarmon wasn't an ideal fit in the 3-4 but I'd hoped he could stay as a nickel DE. He has a lot of upside & like Smoot said he did whatever was asked. If he stays healthy he can start for a no. of years.

Gaffney is a solid vet WR, I just would hate to see him take a spot from one of the rookies before they've had enough of a chance. Training camp will be intense at that position.

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We're being introduced to the new and improved method of rebuilding. Our young receivers psyche is already spinning.

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The Skins.......TRADED a player?
Is......that....legal?

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FA's have to wait to report to camp until august 2nd. Anyone know if the same is true for traded players?

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john_keim
evaluator says Gaffney can be a good No. 2; calls him a possession guy. smart.. but must know how to use him (McDaniels did).

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I'm going to go ahead and say it -- I understand these are just the first of Shanny's/BA's moves in free agency but I do not understand the moves that are happening right now. No movement for the corners, no pieces for the OL, getting Kellen Clemens, Jabar Gaffney and Donte Stallworth on the first day? and IMO, overpaying for cofield? releasing/trading mcnabb for 1 or 2 6th rounder 1 year after trading a 2nd rounder for him....losing faith, am I the only one?

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We got we could for McNabb and the fact we got anything amazes me. As for the rest, while I am not blown away by any of the moves, none of them strike me as "Wow, that was Vinny Cerrato dumb".

If everything wasn't so compressed, then maybe we get more feedback from the club as to why certain moves are being made. Right now, they are so busy dealing we haven't heard why they are doing what they are doing.

Certainly nothing to "lose faith" over. Signing our free agents. Getting bodies for camp and hoping some may stick. Not trading away draft choices. Being patient. Getting something where it looked like we would get nothing (both Jarmon & McNabb) - I'm okay with all of that.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;814400]I'm going to go ahead and say it -- I understand these are just the first of Shanny's/BA's moves in free agency but I do not understand the moves that are happening right now. No movement for the corners, no pieces for the OL, getting Kellen Clemens, Jabar Gaffney and Donte Stallworth on the first day? and IMO, overpaying for cofield? releasing/trading mcnabb for 1 or 2 6th rounder 1 year after trading a 2nd rounder for him....losing faith, am I the only one?[/quote]


I say hang in there and as far as McNabb goes no one was really dieing for him so what we got is decent. I think MS would be the first to say the McNabb experiment was a fail.

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[quote=Mattyk;814372]Traded for a guy who probably wasn't going to make the final cut here anyway.

Win.[/quote]

The problem people have with this is that Jarmon was selected in the supplemental draft equating to more wasted draft picks.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;814407]We got we could for McNabb and the fact we got anything amazes me. As for the rest, while I am not blown away by any of the moves, none of them strike me as "Wow, that was Vinny Cerrato dumb".

If everything wasn't so compressed, then maybe we get more feedback from the club as to why certain moves are being made. Right now, they are so busy dealing we haven't heard why they are doing what they are doing.

Certainly nothing to "lose faith" over. Signing our free agents. Getting bodies for camp and hoping some may stick. Not trading away draft choices. Being patient. Getting something where it looked like we would get nothing (both Jarmon & McNabb) - I'm okay with all of that.[/quote]

Great post, I agree.

Can't build Rome in a day.

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Josh McDaniels is a far better playcaller than Kyle Shanahan. I think we need to factor that in when considering the relative value of Jabar Gaffney here. I do think he was a pretty good player the last two years and pretty much just stepped up and flat replaced Brandon Marshall's production without monopolizing the offense this year.

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I'd rather see the Skins stockpile offensive and defensive linemen. You can never have enough help on the line. This has been the downfall for a number of years. Too many overpriced, under-performing skilled players and not enough quality line play. Who is going to throw to all these receivers?

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Um, I'd like to point out that Gaffney, over the last two years, has put up the following numbers:

2009: 54 catches, 732 yards, 13.6 avg, 2 TDs
2010: 65 catches, 875 yards, 13.5 avg, 2 TDs

Those yardage and TD numbers look strikingly similar to Anthony Armstrong's. Doesn't anybody like depth in their receiving corps?

I'm fine with this move. Let the rooks compete with guys like this and see what shakes out.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;814420]I'd rather see the Skins stockpile offensive and defensive linemen. You can never have enough help on the line. This has been the downfall for a number of years. Too many overpriced, under-performing skilled players and not enough quality line play. Who is going to throw to all these receivers?[/quote]

This guys makes a lot of sense!

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[quote=Monkeydad;814229]What? Another WR?

I was optimistic about the rookie WRs but they may never get a chance. I hope Hankerson is part of the plan, a big part.

Lets just trade/cut Malcolm Kelly now. Too many guys with the potential to make the team. I know we always bring a ton of WRs into camp, but we're bringing a lot of QUALITY WRs in and can't keep them all...or guys like Austin, Banks and Paul will have to be cut.

Edwards deal still not dead yet either.

Shame, I liked Jarmon.


Moss
Armstrong
Hankerson
Gaffney
Stallworth - CUT?
T. Austin
B. Banks - CUT or PS?

N. Paul - PS?
M. Kelly - CUT!
Aldrick Robinson - CUT, PS?
Roydell Williams - CUT
Taurus Johnson - CUT
Maurice Price - CUT

And maybe Braylon Edwards?[/quote]

Wait, wait, wait...... Roydell is still here? I thought we cut him mid season for AA?

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So with 20 some WR's on our roster I guess we could still be in the Braylon Edwards running.

Also when I heard we traded for a Broncos receiver I thought Eddie Royal, but of course we get the 30 year old short fast guy. (see a trend here)

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;814420]I'd rather see the Skins stockpile offensive and defensive linemen. You can never have enough help on the line. This has been the downfall for a number of years. Too many overpriced, under-performing skilled players and not enough quality line play. Who is going to throw to all these receivers?[/quote]


We're going to sign OL soon I imagine. In the meantime, let's all.....

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[quote=diehard;814411]The problem people have with this is that Jarmon was selected in the supplemental draft equating to more wasted draft picks.[/quote]


Can we all look at it this way.....

Your refering to a different regime, a regime that was allowed to 10yrs to pull those types of crappy moves.

I just wish we all could find a way to seperate the two. Allen has been doing a fine job so far. As a matter of fact I was actually happy to hear that the Skins were well below the CAP and was supprised at how far since usually we are worried about how they will finagle the contracts they already have in order to make room. Then the new CBA comes along and they have to spend a certain % of each dollar on players I figured this will be fun to see how they find a way to spend all the dollars.

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[quote=mredskins;814240]are the skins going for a world record or something?

The team to have the most average WR's on it at one time.[/quote]


Well if they are, they are going to have to unseat a former Redskins' squad where the #1 guy was James Thrash...

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[quote=GTripp0012;814417]Josh McDaniels is a far better playcaller than Kyle Shanahan. I think we need to factor that in when considering the relative value of Jabar Gaffney here. I do think he was a pretty good player the last two years and pretty much just stepped up and flat replaced Brandon Marshall's production without monopolizing the offense this year.[/quote]

Also keep in mind the Bronco's (experts claim) will only be running 3 WR's since they have Fox now so Gaffney doesn't fit in there plans, no different then Jarmon would not have seen playing time with all the other DT and DE's.

The Redskins scheme, I think, is more of a WR friendly scheme. Which might incorporate 4 WR's at times, but that could be 2 WR's and 2 TE's, or 3 WR's and 1 TE. So who knows.

[QUOTE=diehard;814411]The problem people have with this is that Jarmon was selected in the supplemental draft equating to more wasted draft picks.[/QUOTE]

It would have been a waste if we had cut him, instead we turned him into a productive WR.

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There have been a couple of instances where Redskins defensive ends have been cut loose and gone on to have decent careers elsewhere ... N.D. Kalu and Chris Clemons, specifically. Clemons had 11 friggin' sacks for Seattle last year. Not too shabby. Don't know how he would fit in the 3-4 though. It'll be interesting to see if Jarmon does the same thing.

As for all these wideouts, let's look at the numbers from our dudes last year:

Moss -- 93 catches, 1115 yards, 6 TDs, his longest was 56 yards
Armstrong -- 44 catches, 874 yards, 3 TDs, longest reception was 76 yards.

Are these are typical numbers for a number one and number two duo?

Here's the rest ...

Joey Galloway -- 12 for 173 yards (longest was 62 yards)
Banks -- 2 catches for 10 yards
Roydell -- 8 for 109 yards (longest was 34 yards)
Terrance Austin -- 3 for 47 yards (longest was 28 yards)

^None of these guys scored a receiving TD.

Let's face it, apart from the returning capabilities of Banks, there's just not a whole lot here. I'd say we have receiving corps that's ripe for some competition...

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[quote=Schneed10;814424]Um, I'd like to point out that Gaffney, over the last two years, has put up the following numbers:

2009: 54 catches, 732 yards, 13.6 avg, 2 TDs
2010: 65 catches, 875 yards, 13.5 avg, 2 TDs

Those yardage and TD numbers look strikingly similar to Anthony Armstrong's. Doesn't anybody like depth in their receiving corps?

I'm fine with this move. Let the rooks compete with guys like this and see what shakes out.[/quote]

Yeah and Brandon Lloyd put up 1,500 yards in the same offense. Oh well, they gave it a shot.

[QUOTE=Beemnseven;814611]There have been a couple of instances where Redskins defensive ends have been cut loose and gone on to have decent careers elsewhere ... N.D. Kalu and Chris Clemons, specifically. Clemons had 11 friggin' sacks for Seattle last year. Not too shabby. Don't know how he would fit in the 3-4 though. It'll be interesting to see if Jarmon does the same thing.

As for all these wideouts, let's look at the numbers from our dudes last year:

Moss -- 93 catches, 1115 yards, 6 TDs, his longest was 56 yards
Armstrong -- 44 catches, 874 yards, 3 TDs, longest reception was 76 yards.

Are these are typical numbers for a number one and number two duo?

Here's the rest ...

Joey Galloway -- 12 for 173 yards (longest was 62 yards)
Banks -- 2 catches for 10 yards
Roydell -- 8 for 109 yards (longest was 34 yards)
Terrance Austin -- 3 for 47 yards (longest was 28 yards)

^None of these guys scored a receiving TD.

Let's face it, apart from the returning capabilities of Banks, there's just not a whole lot here. I'd say we have receiving corps that's ripe for some competition...[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

I think people thought we'd be set with the 3 rookies and holdovers from last year, and in a normal offseason that might have been the case. But this is not a normal offseason and expecting these guys to be ready with just training camp is crazy talk. Fact is we need vets who can play now while we bring along the young guys slowly.

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Gafney was suppose to be the truth coming out of college. However like most Florida receivers he struggled in the NFL.

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gaffney is fine, but nothing impressive. guess if jarmon wasn't going to make it, it makes sense... he seemed to be a lot better in the 4-3 as a 3rd down rusher then anywhere on a 3-4.

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[quote=That Guy;814973]gaffney is fine, but nothing impressive. guess if jarmon wasn't going to make it, it makes sense... he seemed to be a lot better in the 4-3 as a 3rd down rusher then anywhere on a 3-4.[/quote]

:confused: Who are you?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;815715]:confused: Who are you?[/quote]

He's that guy.

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[quote=mooby;815716]He's that guy.[/quote]

He bears an uncanny resemblance to a guy that use to post here regularly but it can't be the same person.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;815721]He bears an uncanny resemblance to a guy that use to post here regularly but it can't be the same person.[/quote]

All I know is that he's that guy. You may not see him around very often, but when you do, you just know who he is because he's that guy. That guy can't be mistaken for anyone else.