Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=Monkeydad;815348]I love how our fanbase on the internet knows so much more about the team than Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan.


If only they'd lurk on the WP, we'd win the Super Bowl every year![/quote]


Vinny lurked here...thats why we sucked for all those years lol

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

So I read that Bowen spent the off season with team mates learning Dallas's new defensive scheme and plays another win for the skin's.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=Chico23231;815280]lotta money for someone who hasnt done a whole lot[/quote]

Yeah. Better to pay older guys on the downside of their career based on their past performance.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

Hate signing division rivals on principle. that said, does this indicate they don't think much of Carriker? I thought he came on at the end of the year. With drafting Jenkins & signing Cofield there's some competition at DE.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=freddyg12;815361]Hate signing division rivals on principle. that said, does this indicate they don't think much of Carriker? I thought he came on at the end of the year. With drafting Jenkins & signing Cofield there's some competition at DE.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing...although I don't mind having a guy like Carriker as a back up.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=12thMan;815326]For what it's worth, Bowen is trending on Twitter. Plenty of analyst are saying the Skins stole this guy away from the Cowboys and this wasn't a part of their plan. Interesting.

So we have two starting DL that are familiar with the offenses in the East. I like, I like.[/quote]Agree.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

So the pressure is on Haslett this year....he's getting a lot of tools to get this 3-4 defense working.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

I like this signing better than Cullen Bryant, the guy is big and athletic and is a beast. He didn't play much in Dallas but his days were coming, too bad for the Cowboys and great for the Redskins. He could be the Redskins impact FA signing out of all the ones so far.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=Ruhskins;815365]So the pressure is on Haslett this year....he's getting a lot of tools to get this 3-4 defense working.[/quote]

Big time.. But I have a feeling that Haslett will be safe because the defense will improve alot, however I'm not sure about secondary though.. I haven't seen enough of Wilson to determine whether if he can hold on his own.. That is unless we are planning to pencil Barnes in as #2 CB.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

What Shanahallen are doing is creating competition for positions. For too many years players were paid into roles on this team and our results are clearly evident of such. Of the signings we've made thusfar, I don't know that any of them scream 'immediate starter'. We went from having depth that didn't want to be here (Haynesworth), was injured (Kemo) or should have been retired (Daniels) to younger, more athletic, enthusiastic players. HOW IS THIS A BAD THING?

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[url=http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/03/18/secret-superstar-stephen-bowen-dallas-cowboys/]Secret Superstar: Stephen Bowen, Dallas Cowboys | ProFootballFocus.com[/url]

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=Ruhskins;815345]This would be a lot of money for what typically a nose tackle does (plug holes and not play every single snap). Unless we're playing a Wade Phillip type of the 3-4 with an attacking NT.[/quote]

If we play an attacking style then we have a very nice defensive front which doesn't fail to maximize Cofield at NT. Let's hope this is the plan.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

All in all it's just another brick in the wall!!

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

Man, look at the hate when we don't play Snyderrato Off-Season Rules.

Jenkins would have been a great pick up at a good price - certainly more than we paid for Bowen. But he was an older guy who apparently, tried to up the ante at the last minute. Anyone doubt that Cerrato would have said "How much more?" and signed him?

Instead, Allen says "We don't play those rules anymore. We have a back up plan. Thank you very much and have a nice day." Then goes and plucks a guy [I]from within our division[/I] who is 3 1/2 years younger, for less money and of whom all the insiders are saying "steal".

Wow... free agency with a cost effective plan. I can see why there is sooo much hate.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

Jenkins?

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;815380]Jenkins?[/quote]

Cullen Jenkins.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

Cofield and Bowen are very good signings. Keep in mind, we're only in the 3-4 base maybe 40-45%. We'll be in plenty of even fronts. I think we'll be using Cofield/Bowen/Carriker/(maybe some J. Jenkins) as our DEs in odd fronts. I think we'll see Bryant/Neild/J. Jenkins at NT.

We've gotten much younger and more athletic in our front 3. Very good thing.

If we can pick up a G and T well be in good shape.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;815379]Man, look at the hate when we don't play Snyderrato Off-Season Rules.

Jenkins would have been a great pick up at a good price - certainly more than we paid for Bowen. But he was an older guy who apparently, tried to up the ante at the last minute. Anyone doubt that Cerrato would have said "How much more?" and signed him?

Instead, Allen says "We don't play those rules anymore. We have a back up plan. Thank you very much and have a nice day." Then goes and plucks a guy [I]from within our division[/I] who is 3 1/2 years younger, for less money and of whom all the insiders are saying "steal".

Wow... free agency with a cost effective plan. I can see why there is sooo much hate.[/quote]

It's like an abusive relationship. People say they want out from the Snyderatto days, but they just can't bring themselves to move on.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

After this deal we are STILL 30 mil under the cap! Great move!

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;815382]Cofield and Bowen are very good signings. Keep in mind, we're only in the 3-4 base maybe 40-45%. We'll be in plenty of even fronts. I think we'll be using Cofield/Bowen/Carriker/(maybe some J. Jenkins) as our DEs in odd fronts. I think we'll see Bryant/Neild/J. Jenkins at NT.

We've gotten much younger and more athletic in our front 3. Very good thing.

If we can pick up a G and T well be in good shape.[/quote]It's more like 65%-70% isn't it? Certainly not every play, but the vast majority of first and second downs.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;815385]After this deal we are STILL 30 mil under the cap! Great move![/quote]$17 ish million.

But yeah, that's still plenty of money to chase Braylon Edwards and upgrade the OL.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

I like this approach. All of these guys could be starters or they could end up being role players playing limited snaps. Sharing the burden is a good thing. If we could land Cofield and Bowen for less than having an aging Jenkins and a worthless Haynesworth on the team, I'm all for it.

Let's roll!

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=GTripp0012;815387]$17 ish million.

But yeah, that's still plenty of money to chase Braylon Edwards and upgrade the OL.[/quote]


should be more than that right? With all the cuts, moving mcnabb, haynesworth, daniels, the DT, etc.?

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=GTripp0012;815386]It's more like 65%-70% isn't it? Certainly not every play, but the vast majority of first and second downs.[/quote]

It seems to me you are unhappy that a proven, true-big-strong space eating NT has not been aquired and/or that the D-lineman that have been aquired are more of the attacking/gap shooting type and not the gap control/occupy lineman type.

I see the concern but not sure one of those was really out there except for Franklin - maybe they are just waiting for the market to cool down before going after him?

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=GTripp0012;815387]$17 ish million.

But yeah, that's still plenty of money to chase Braylon Edwards and upgrade the OL.[/quote]


According to WP, it's 30.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html]Redskins have plenty of cap space after trading Albert Haynesworth, cutting veterans - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]


[quote]By trading Albert Haynesworth (who carried a salary cap figure of $5.4 million) and cutting center Casey Rabach ($3 million cap figure), nose tackle Ma’ake Kemoeatu ($2.5 million) and defensive end Phillip Daniels ($1.25 million), the Redskins freed up another $12.15 million in cap room.

That meant Washington was $34.15 million under the $120 million salary cap. [/quote]

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=GTripp0012;815387]$17 ish million.

But yeah, that's still plenty of money to chase Braylon Edwards and upgrade the OL.[/quote]

I am getting my numbers from Rick Maese. Most are saying the 30 Mil
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html]Redskins have plenty of cap space after trading Albert Haynesworth, cutting veterans - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

I should point out that the youth of Bowen and Cofield trumps all other arguments. They'll be premier players for us between now and 2013. If our current coaches can't play a scheme that wins a bunch of games with these guys, we'll bring in other coaches who might be able to.

So signing good young players, never a problem. Signing them to big money deals, eh, good organizations typically do it more judiciously, but this is crazy money time. That's why Stephen Bowen gets poached at more than $5 mil per year.

Josh Wilson's contract was, what, 3 years, 13.5 mil? That is a good contract for a young player. Bowen doubled that.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;815394]I am getting my numbers from Rick Maese. Most are saying the 30 Mil
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-have-plenty-of-cap-space-after-trading-albert-haynesworth-cutting-veterans/2011/07/28/gIQA5NpJfI_blog.html]Redskins have plenty of cap space after trading Albert Haynesworth, cutting veterans - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]His numbers probably aren't considering the rookie cap and perhaps not all of the deadcap we have.

$17 mil, $30 mil, whatever. It's a lot of money to spend.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

I'd rather pay Bowen than AH.

Gotta pay a little more to pry away a guy that the Cowboys really wanted to keep.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=GTripp0012;815397]His numbers probably aren't considering the rookie cap and perhaps not all of the deadcap we have.

$17 mil, $30 mil, whatever. It's a lot of money to spend.[/quote]


Enough to get Asomough, Franklin and D. Joseph :) ?!?!

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=SKINSnCANES;815400]Enough to get Asomough, Franklin and D. Joseph :) ?!?![/quote]Yes. But barely.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=GTripp0012;815401]Yes. But barely.[/quote]


Want Jamal Brown too so going ot have to convince them were winners and to take less

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

Pass on NA, "Pretty please on Franklin", and "Please, please, please, I'll never ask for anything else again ever I promise, promise, promise, please please please" on Joseph (I have a 4 and 8 year old - can you tell?).

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=Mattyk;815399]I'd rather pay Bowen than AH.

Gotta pay a little more to pry away a guy that the Cowboys really wanted to keep.[/quote]

And the Bears were throwing dough at him too. I wonder if it was strictly money why he came here. I'm sure the Dallas was within striking distance of what we gave him.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=12thMan;815413]And the Bears were throwing dough at him too. I wonder if it was strictly money why he came here. I'm sure the Dallas was within striking distance of what we gave him.[/quote]

Not sure how. Dallas is in the running for NA and C. Jenkins as well. They probably banked on him taking less.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

Dallas is not in the running for NA. It's down to the Texans and Jets...with the Texans having the financial (cap) advantage.

Cullen Jenkins is a possibility for them, but they're in competition with Denver and New Orleans.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=Monkeydad;815462]Dallas is not in the running for NA. It's down to the Texans and Jets...with the Texans having the financial (cap) advantage.[/quote]

Just going on a few reports I've seen. Those three (and 49ers) were discussed. I have a feeling he'll end up with the Jets after it's all said and done. That is unless he's strictly after the cash.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=NC_Skins;815473]Just going on a few reports I've seen. Those three (and 49ers) were discussed. I have a feeling he'll end up with the Jets after it's all said and done. That is unless he's strictly after the cash.[/quote]


The Jets are going to be tough to pass on when we play them in the superbowl. Hopefully our 14 new players to play the front 7 just holds them to a shutout!

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

[quote=SKINSnCANES;815478]The Jets are going to be tough to pass on when we play them in the superbowl. Hopefully our 14 new players to play the front 7 just holds them to a shutout![/quote]

Positive thinking I like it. Can't wait for season predictions.

Re: Redskins sign DE Stephen Bowen
 

Cullen Jenkins would have been even more expensive. To me it seems like they went after C. Jenkins the price tag was a little too high and they dropped down to the next best option.

We now have a former Cowboy and former Giant on our D-Line, that can only help.