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Austin makes the team, and to be honest. I wouldn't be surprised if he's our Santana Moss in a few years, and takes over the #3 spot late this year, and into next year.

He looks really electric out there and is always pushing for that extra yard while holding on to the ball. I don't want to jinx him, but I haven't seen him drop a pass since he's been in the preseason last year.

I'm pumped for the guy. He looks like a future star.

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Defensive line : NTs Barry Cofield, Anthony Bryant, DEs Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, Jarvis Jenkins, Kedric Golston, Darrion Scott, and since JJ is on the IR soon.. Chris Neild

Linebackers : OLBs Bryan Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Lorenzo Alexander, Rob Jackson and ILBs London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh, Perry Riley and Keyaron Fox

Safety : LaRon Landry, Oshiomogho Atogwe, Reed Doughty Kareem Moore, DeJon Gomes

Cornerback : DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Kevin Barnes, Phillip Buchanon, Byron Westbrook, and on the bubble since P.Buc will be missing 4 games... Brandyn Thompson

Kicker: Graham Gano

Returner : Terrence Austin

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Quarterback : John Beck, Rex Grossman

Running back : Tim Hightower, Roy Helu, Ryan Torain

Fullback : Darrel Young, Williams

Wide receiver : Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Austin, Stallworth, Hankerson

Tight end : Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen

Offensive line : LT Trent Williams, LG Kory Lichtensteiger, C Will Montgomery, RG Chris Chester and RT Jammal Brown, G Artis Hicks, T Sean Locklear, C/G Erik Cook

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[quote=Bucket;828180]Quarterback : John Beck, Rex Grossman

Running back : Tim Hightower, Roy Helu, Ryan Torain

Fullback : Darrel Young, Williams

Wide receiver : Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, Anthony Armstrong, Austin, Stallworth, Hankerson

Tight end : Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen

Offensive line : LT Trent Williams, LG Kory Lichtensteiger, C Will Montgomery, RG Chris Chester and RT Jammal Brown, G Artis Hicks, T Sean Locklear, C/G Erik Cook[/quote]

I completely agree with this except I think Paul will be our 6th WR instead of Stallworth.

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Me too

Wideouts:
Locks:
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austn

Most Likely:
Hankerson
Pail

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One thing I was thinking about since the Jenkins injury..

What about moving Chris Neild to DE? He's a smaller NT but has great straength and quickness for a big guy. I think 3/4 DE would be a great fit for him.

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[quote=Bucket;828270]One thing I was thinking about since the Jenkins injury..

What about moving Chris Neild to DE? He's a smaller NT but has great straength and quickness for a big guy. I think 3/4 DE would be a great fit for him.[/quote]

Wouldn't that be a pretty big project? I don't think he's ever played DE. I mean I'm not saying I don't like the idea, I like the guy. But what is going to happen when they need depth early in the season if he still isn't ready to get game work in?

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[quote=musicmaster45;828230]Me too

Wideouts:
Locks:
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong
Austn

Most Likely:
Hankerson
[B]Pail[/B][/quote]


When did we sign Pail. LOL

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[quote=Bucket;828270]One thing I was thinking about since the Jenkins injury..

What about moving Chris Neild to DE? He's a smaller NT but has great straength and quickness for a big guy. I think 3/4 DE would be a great fit for him.[/quote]

It would be worth a try. Especially if it keeps him off the PS.

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[quote=SkinzWin;826588]I'm surprised so many people in the survey picked Sellers and Stallworth.[/quote]

I think some are confused about the status of Sellers because his role has changed somewhat, he's been working as TE/HB/FB and view it as a sign the end could be near for him. His versatility should keep him around.

Stallworth is probably favored because we've seen so little production from the WR draft class.

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From John Keim:
11. Hard not to like Trent Williams’ block of Ray Lewis on Tim Hightower’s touchdown run. But first it was Jammal Brown, who turned Terrell Suggs outside; Hightower cut inside and then received nice blocks from Will Montgomery and Kory Lichtensteiger and, of course, Williams. The guy who capped the run? Terrence Austin. It wasn’t a big block, but he came from the left side and, after a pit stop on another defender, ran to the safety. All Austin did was knock the safety a couple yards back. That, in turn, forced him to take a longer angle to the ball. And Hightower barely got inside the pylon. Had Austin not blocked him, Hightower doesn’t score. A team effort.

There's a lot about Austin to like. I think this guy is going to be a real difference maker in our offense.

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[quote=Bucket;828270]One thing I was thinking about since the Jenkins injury..

What about moving Chris Neild to DE? He's a smaller NT but has great straength and quickness for a big guy. I think 3/4 DE would be a great fit for him.[/quote]

Its a good idea, I was thinking the same thing, considering the packers played with two NT's in Raji and Pickett.

We could sign this guy though as depth.
[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1088/jarvis-green]Jarvis Green - Houston Texans - 2011 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url]

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Free agent DE Jarvis Green is mulling retirement.

If he does not want to play football we don't want him here!!!!!!

I agree with a lot of you here on the board, Austin is impressing the hell out of me!

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I hope we just don't sign someone just to sign someone.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;828483]I hope we just don't sign someone just to sign someone.[/quote]

This. I think Darrion Scott has looked good enough in preseason to earn the spot, although I still hold a lot of animosity towards him for the [URL="http://www.startribune.com/local/west/24008709.html?location_refer=Vikings"]f'd up things[/URL] he did to his kid a couple years ago. This is one of those cases where I'll put aside my dislike for the guy for the team I root for.

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Man.. I don't see how we keep Torain. He's played 12 games out of a potential 48 for his career, and as a running back, one of the key traits is durability. He's already getting worn down because of these injuries, and now he has a jacked hand?

I say we cut Torain, and add Royster to the team while putting Droughns on the PS.

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[quote=Bucket;829019]Man.. I don't see how we keep Torain. He's played 12 games out of a potential 48 for his career, and as a running back, one of the key traits is durability. He's already getting worn down because of these injuries, and now he has a jacked hand?

I say we cut Torain, and add Royster to the team while putting Droughns on the PS.[/quote]

I doubt this would happen. Torain will be kept as insurance.

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[quote=Bucket;828176]Austin makes the team, and to be honest. I wouldn't be surprised if he's our Santana Moss in a few years, and takes over the #3 spot late this year, and into next year.

He looks really electric out there and is always pushing for that extra yard while holding on to the ball. I don't want to jinx him, but I haven't seen him drop a pass since he's been in the preseason last year.

I'm pumped for the guy. He looks like a future star.[/quote]

Austin seems to get it. A young man who understands what it takes both mental and physical to make it in this league. His time very well may have arrived.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-wide-receiver-terrence-austin-sees-his-hard-work-pay-off/2011/08/29/gIQANj1KoJ_story.html]Redskins wide receiver Terrence Austin sees his hard work pay off - The Washington Post[/url]

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/landry-will-miss-final-preseason-game/2011/08/29/gIQAM9fSnJ_blog.html?wpisrc=nl_sports]Landry will miss final preseason game - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]


Landry out yet again. Not good for a guy to miss all this time.

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He said he would be ready for the opening game, if he is then I dont care about him missing preseason games, as long as he has been getting the mental reps to help him communicate back there.

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No surprise. Sounds like LL may be iffy for the opener too. Hope he gets well soon.

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As much as I want to keep the youth movement going, it is too risky to let ATV go IMO. We would be in a dicey situation if Hightower went out.

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[quote=hooskins;829083]As much as I want to [B]keep the youth movement going[/B], it is too risky to let ATV go IMO. We would be in a dicey situation if Hightower went out.[/quote]

kinda funny that ATV is now a vet! One of our old RBs

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[quote=hooskins;829083]As much as I want to keep the youth movement going, it is too risky to let ATV go IMO. We would be in a dicey situation if Hightower went out.[/quote]

Torain's a young vet, he's only 25. I agree, if anything were to happen to Hightower and Torain not be available, we would be down to two rookies, Helu and Royester....not a good situation especially if Keland Williams is also released. I would think one of the veterans would have to stay.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/recovered-ryan-torain-ready-to-prove-himself/2011/08/30/gIQAzpNopJ_blog.html]Recovered Ryan Torain ready to prove himself - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;829189]Torain's a young vet, he's only 25. I agree, if anything were to happen to Hightower and Torain not be available, we would be down to two rookies, Helu and Royester....not a good situation especially if Keland Williams is also released. I would think one of the veterans would have to stay.[/quote]


I think any team would be in trouble if they lost their starter and their #2 guy. I think we're set at RB.

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[quote=12thMan;829200]I think any team would be in trouble if they lost their starter and their #2 guy. I think we're set at RB.[/quote]

Except the Saints. I don't remember if it was last year or the year before last when they were down to their 3rd and 4th string RB and they did okay. But yeah, your average team would be screwed up if the top two RBs are out.

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[quote=12thMan;829200]I think any team would be in trouble if they lost their starter and their #2 guy. I think we're set at RB.[/quote]

I wasn't speaking of losing them both. Only referring to what the RB situation would look like if Hightower (god-forbid) went down for more than a game or two. We'd be left with Helu and a player with early projections to be on the PS.

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[quote=Longtimefan;829202]I wasn't speaking of losing them both. Only referring to what the RD situation would look like if Hightower (god-forbid) went down for more than a game or two. We'd be left with Helu and a player with early projections to be on the PS.[/quote]

Peyton Hillis was pretty beast as a rookie until he got hurt. Some guys can just play regardless of their lack of experience. Helu doesn't make me that uncomfortable. Royster might though, but he still has another game to show his stuff.

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And honestly running back is one of the positions where the learning curb is different than say WR. Besides, running backs generally do very well playing for Shanny regardless of their level of experience.

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So, what position will we fill instead of the #3 qb? I'm thinking banks as a 7th wr (from everything I've heard chris russell and rich campbell say this week Paul is a near lock as a 6th wr) or perhaps gibson as an extra linebacker?

Here's my guess of our final roster (i didnt care enough to list special teams):

[B][U]Quarterbacks (2)[/U][/B]
Beck , Grossman, (clemmons on speed dial)

[B][U]Running Backs (5)[/U][/B]
RB: Hightower, Helu, Torain, Royster
FB: Young

[B][U]Tight Ends (3) [/U][/B]
TE: Cooley, Davis, Paulsen

[B][U]Wide Recievers (6) [/U][/B]
Moss, Gaffney, Austin, Armstrong, Hankerson, Paul, (Banks to IR)

[B][U]Offensive Line (9)[/U][/B]
T: Williams, Brown, Locklear, Hicks (G/T)
G: Lichtenstreigher, Chester, Hurt
C: Montgomery, Cook (C/G)

[B]Total Offense: 25[/B]


[B][U]Defensive Line (7) [/U][/B]
DE: Carriker, Bowen, Scott, Worthington
DT: Cofield, Bryant, Nield

[B][U]Linebackers (9) [/U][/B]
OLB: Orakpo, Kerrigan, Alexander, Gibson, Jackson/White (depends on how likely White is to be claimed off the PS)
ILB: Fletcher, McIntosh, Fox, Riley

[B][U]Defensive Backs (9)[/U][/B]
CB: Hall, Wilson, Barnes, Thompson, Westbrook, (Buchannon - suspended list. Thompson has 4 weeks to prove his worth)
S: Landry, Otogwe, Doughty, Gomes, (Moore - PUP list... jackson, Thompson, Westbrook and Moore will fight for one spot when Moore's healthy)

[B]Total Defense: 25[/B]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;829222]So, what position will we fill instead of the #3 qb? I'm thinking banks as a 7th wr (from everything I've heard chris russell and rich campbell say this week Paul is a near lock as a 6th wr) or perhaps gibson as an extra linebacker?[/quote]

I think an extra LB...maybe Rob Jackson and Markus White make the team.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;829222]So, what position will we fill instead of the #3 qb? [/quote]

We fill the #3 QB with a young QB. Not only is it risky going into the season with only 2 QB's, in the name of youth we should be attempting to groom someone. Having Clemens "on speed dial" is not that great of an option for several reasons, including the fact that he is relatively new to our system, just as a new young arm would be.

Chase Daniel is now #2 in New Orleans when he was picked up after final cuts. We should use the waiver wires to at least attempt to find our own Chase Daniel.

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[quote=Lotus;829234]We fill the #3 QB with a young QB. Not only is it risky going into the season with only 2 QB's, in the name of youth we should be attempting to groom someone. Having Clemens "on speed dial" is not that great of an option for several reasons, including the fact that he is relatively new to our system, just as a new young arm would be.

Chase Daniel is now #2 in New Orleans when he was picked up after final cuts. We should use the waiver wires to at least attempt to find our own Chase Daniel.[/quote]

Let's trade for Matt Flynn. Now.

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I know we've been talking about Sellers being gone, but I think he's more likely to make the team than Hurt or 9th O linemen. He can backup 2 positions. Who is the backup FB if Sellers is out? K. Williams?

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Yes, Keiland is the second FB. He's taken snaps during camp at FB and would be rostered as a FB instead of a 4th or 5th HB.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;829222]So, what position will we fill instead of the #3 qb? I'm thinking banks as a 7th wr (from everything I've heard chris russell and rich campbell say this week Paul is a near lock as a 6th wr) or perhaps gibson as an extra linebacker? [/quote]

No way we take 5 RB and 1 FB. As mentioned previously, Keiland will be the second FB, Royster goes to the practice squad. I don't think we keep 7 WR either. With Banks injury I think we go the IR route or he doesn't make the team period, you know he won't stay on the practice squad.

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...and down the stretch they come!

[img]http://i.imgur.com/X32uG.gif[/img]

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To me the biggest battle going on is running back. Torain vs. Royster vs. Helu. Personally, I'm favoring Royster and Helu over Torain. Last year they kept 5 running backs. If you PS either Royster or Helu, they're gone -- somebody's going to swoop in and snatch them away, guaranteed.

Has Keiland even played this preseason? I don't remember seeing him at all.

I just think Royster and Helu offer so much more speed than Torain; and that seems to be the focus.

freddyg12: Good point about Sellers capable of backing up two positions. Hard to cut a guy like that loose.

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Helu definitely has better speed than any of our backs. I think Royster is pretty clearly the slowest though. Not sure what you're seeing there. What Royster does is play the scheme...make a cut and get the yards. Not any break away play-making ability though. Torain is somewhat similar except he seems to burst a little better and pop runs quicker...leaving mroe chance to break a 20 yarder. I don't think Royster has shown enough that we need to worry about other teams getting him.

Hightower and Helu are obvi locks though. No way Helu doesn't make the roster at this point. It'd be pretty unfair to deny him a roster spot and not have given him a chance in the final game to show.

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WR is where the tough decisions are.

[U]Guaranteed[/U]
Moss
Gaffney
Armstrong

[U]Probable[/U]
Austin
Banks

[U]Fighting for one spot[/U]
Hankerson
Stalworth


At least that's my read.