Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;826643]Grossman is the best quarterback that's been in Washington in forever. He's the Redskins future as in the next 3-4 years not sorry ass beck, get real.[/quote]

Welcome Rex, good to see you wanna keep in touch with the fans.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

Lmao greekskin

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=GreekSkin;826655]Welcome Rex, good to see you wanna keep in touch with the fans.[/quote]

You're typing what I was thinking. LOL

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

Yeah, I don't understand the argument saying Beck went against a inferior defense to Grossman. It's the preseason. Everything is Vanilla. You play who you play, it's important to do your best for your team. Both QBs played well. However, Rex didn't get any pressure in his face, which is where he crumbles. If that was the typical Steelers defense, he'd have been blitzed constantly.

Both QBs have looked good so far, but lets not use preseason rankings (from last year) as a valuable metrics. I actually like that Beck got sacked. We saw that under pressure and in bad situations he didn't turn a play that was breaking down into something worse by forcing it. Sometimes taking the sack is the smart play.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=Daseal;826695]Yeah, I don't understand the argument saying Beck went against a inferior defense to Grossman. It's the preseason. Everything is Vanilla. You play who you play, it's important to do your best for your team. Both QBs played well. However, Rex didn't get any pressure in his face, which is where he crumbles. If that was the typical Steelers defense, he'd have been blitzed constantly.

Both QBs have looked good so far, but lets not use preseason rankings (from last year) as a valuable metrics. I actually like that Beck got sacked. We saw that under pressure and in bad situations he didn't turn a play that was breaking down into something worse by forcing it. Sometimes taking the sack is the smart play.[/quote]

I think the o-line did much better against the Steelers than they did against the Colts. While as a whole, the Colts defense doesn't compare to the Steelers, they do have a very good d-line with two great pass rushers. Beck was poised while facing the pass rush, something that Grossman is not known for. I think Grossman should start this game, to see how he deals with the Ravens pass rush, which should be a better test than the rusty pass rush we saw from Pittsburgh in the first game.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=mooby;826646]Checkdowns are a result of wideouts not getting open or offensive lines not giving enough time for the qb to make his reads, not an indication of a bad quarterback. So if Beck is the checkdown king this season, it will mean we are worse off at wideout or o-line than we've been led to believe.[/quote]

Or making a bad or too late of a read. Not to say that was always the case and only on Beck's side (Grossman going to Stallworth instead of Davis)

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

Ron Jaworski giving a good int on the state of the team and 2011 expectations on ESPN980.com. Check a little later as it should be available in the [B]vault[/B].

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

I would seriously dismiss anyone's football intelligence if they actually think John Beck is a better quarterback than Rex Grossman, lmao. Grossman has led a team to a super bowl appearance with virtually little experience, and Drew Rosenhaus said it best, "Rex Grossman is ready to flourish with the Redskins," so stop all the nonsense talk about backup quarterback John Beck. Grossman is going to put up better numbers than Brad Johnson in 1999, you'll all be on the bandwagon soon.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;826755]I would seriously dismiss anyone's football intelligence if they actually think John Beck is a better quarterback than Rex Grossman, lmao. Grossman has led a team to a super bowl appearance with virtually little experience, and Drew Rosenhaus said it best, "Rex Grossman is ready to flourish with the Redskins," so stop all the nonsense talk about backup quarterback John Beck. Grossman is going to put up better numbers than Brad Johnson in 1999, you'll all be on the bandwagon soon.[/quote]

Oooohhhhh. Ok. Drew Rosenhaus said that??!! Pffff , then why the hell are we in a qb battle for??!! it's done then. Grossman is the starter. Ok next problem the deep Wr corps... Who does Rosenhaus think will flourish with the Skins this year??? Oooooooo I hope it's Hankerson.!!!!! Please let him say Hankerson. !!!!

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;826755]I would seriously dismiss anyone's football intelligence if they actually think John Beck is a better quarterback than Rex Grossman, lmao. Grossman has led a team to a super bowl appearance with virtually little experience, and Drew Rosenhaus said it best, "Rex Grossman is ready to flourish with the Redskins," so stop all the nonsense talk about backup quarterback John Beck. Grossman is going to put up better numbers than Brad Johnson in 1999, you'll all be on the bandwagon soon.[/quote]

Your schtick is getting old.
Maybe you should try Suck For Luck or something cool like that.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;826755]I would seriously dismiss anyone's football intelligence if they actually think John Beck is a better quarterback than Rex Grossman, lmao. Grossman has led a team to a super bowl appearance with virtually little experience, and Drew Rosenhaus said it best, "Rex Grossman is ready to flourish with the Redskins," so stop all the nonsense talk about backup quarterback John Beck. Grossman is going to put up better numbers than Brad Johnson in 1999, you'll all be on the bandwagon soon.[/quote]

I like Grossman...but let's not get carried away. Rex has spent a far greater portion of his career not accomplishing anything than he has facilitating a run to the Super Bowl

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;826755]I would seriously dismiss anyone's football intelligence if they actually think John Beck is a better quarterback than Rex Grossman, lmao. Grossman has led a team to a super bowl appearance with virtually little experience, and Drew Rosenhaus said it best, "Rex Grossman is ready to flourish with the Redskins," so stop all the nonsense talk about backup quarterback John Beck. Grossman is going to put up better numbers than Brad Johnson in 1999, you'll all be on the bandwagon soon.[/quote]

Sorry Mr. Rosenhaus, I mistook you for Rex earlier. Welcome anyways.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=GreekSkin;826766]Sorry Mr. Rosenhaus, I mistook you for Rex earlier. Welcome anyways.[/quote]


:lol:

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=GreekSkin;826766]Sorry Mr. Rosenhaus, I mistook you for Rex earlier. Welcome anyways.[/quote]

He probably didn't look at the game log section in Rex's stat sheet for that season. Rex is truly the Jekyll/Hyde of quarterbacks.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;826755]I would seriously dismiss anyone's football intelligence if they actually think John Beck is a better quarterback than Rex Grossman, lmao. [B]Grossman has led a team to a super bowl appearance with virtually little experience[/B], and Drew Rosenhaus said it best, "Rex Grossman is ready to flourish with the Redskins," so stop all the nonsense talk about backup quarterback John Beck. Grossman is going to put up better numbers than Brad Johnson in 1999, you'll all be on the bandwagon soon.[/quote]

Serious (or mostly so) question based on the bolded part. If Rexy took a team to the SB with "virtually little experience", why shouldn't Beck be able to?

I am not implying that Beck will, only that it's not unreasonable to let a "virtually inexperienced" QB, that has some level of talent, lead a team, and that team see success.

Can't wait to see how both QB's do tonight.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;826787]Can't wait to see how both QB's do tonight.[/quote]


...and on that note. Start the Pre-Season Game 3 thread.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;826755]I would seriously dismiss anyone's football intelligence if they actually think John Beck is a better quarterback than Rex Grossman, lmao. Grossman has led a team to a super bowl appearance with virtually little experience, and Drew Rosenhaus said it best, "Rex Grossman is ready to flourish with the Redskins," so stop all the nonsense talk about backup quarterback John Beck. [B]Grossman is going to put up better numbers than Brad Johnson in 1999, you'll all be on the bandwagon soon[/B].[/quote]

Thats a little much.

Yeah Grossman I would say is the better QB NOW. Shanny is hedging Beck has the best and higher upside to lead the offense. We will see, I think the overall feeling is why the hell not give Becks the opportunity. Everyone knows what your gonna get with Grossman: questionable decision making in pivitol situations. Rex's got the arm and ok accurancy, if Rex decision making was better on the field, there would not be a competition at this point and he would be the starter. I dont think the risk is that high with this team as we rebuild.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;826755]I would seriously dismiss anyone's football intelligence if they actually think John Beck is a better quarterback than Rex Grossman, lmao. Grossman has led a team to a super bowl appearance with virtually little experience, and Drew Rosenhaus said it best, "Rex Grossman is ready to flourish with the Redskins," so stop all the nonsense talk about backup quarterback John Beck. Grossman is going to put up better numbers than Brad Johnson in 1999, you'll all be on the bandwagon soon.[/quote]

Mrs. Grossman, please calm down -- I am sure your son is a wonderful quarterback but there is no need for such a visceral reaction.

Seriously man, relax -- 99% of the people on this board just want to see the Redskins win. At the moment, Beck is in vogue. As soon as Grossman plays better, he will be back in vogue. The skins have been without a legit quarterback for so long that noone really cares who runs the offense so long as we score points and win games.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

I'm not sure how you can say Grossman is a better QB than someone you've hardly seen play.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

I am torn. I am really enamored of Grossman's first preseason game, but I think Beck has been around long enough to become acclimated to the system. We'll see. I really think it's Beck's position to lose. Let's see...

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;826632]Have they announced the starter for the ravens game? I heard both will play with the firsts, any idea how that is going to be structured?[/quote]

Grossman to start, both will see action with the starters.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

Grossman looks to make big plays and it's exciting to watch him play. He's started only about 30 games in his career so all this "We know what we get from Rex," is really just an ignorant statement. You let Grossman play and you'll win. Beck doesn't have a tenth of the moxie that Grossman brings to the quarterback position. Open up your eyes because some Redskins fans want to see a winning product.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

Why has he only started 30 games?

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

Time will tell the reasons for that.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;826855]Why has he only started 30 games?[/quote]

Victim of the system man, com'on, everyone knows....

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=jonny5dicky;826854]Grossman looks to make big plays and it's exciting to watch him play. He's started only about 30 games in his career so all this "We know what we get from Rex," is really just an ignorant statement. You let Grossman play and you'll win. Beck doesn't have a tenth of the moxie that Grossman brings to the quarterback position. [B]Open up your eyes because some Redskins fans want to see a winning product[/B].[/quote]

If this team wins it wont hinge with the QB play. To be able to win, we gotta run the ball very effectively and play solid defense. I think our QB play can assist with winning, but whats will hurt us more will be bad QB play i.e. bad turnovers

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

I'd say because the Bears had an awful offensive coaching staff before Martz got there.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=Chico23231;826796]Thats a little much.

Yeah Grossman I would say is the better QB NOW.[I][I][B] Shanny is hedging Beck has the best and higher upside to lead the offense.[/B][/I][/I] We will see, I think the overall feeling is why the hell not give Becks the opportunity. Everyone knows what your gonna get with Grossman: questionable decision making in pivitol situations. Rex's got the arm and ok accurancy, if Rex decision making was better on the field, there would not be a competition at this point and he would be the starter. I dont think the risk is that high with this team as we rebuild.[/quote]

That's why I prefer Beck. We know all what Grossman can offer and we know that he's not an all-pro QB. On top of that, it isn't as though we're contenders right now (or anywhere close) so there's really no interest in having a mediocre quarterback. If it turns out, as is likely, that Beck isn't fit to hold Grossman's jock strap, then we win 4 games this year instead of 6. But maybe he'll surprise us and we'll find out QB of the future.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

Prefer Beck, lol. What a fool

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

Gruden is a fool too eh

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

All I know for sure is Clemens should never be on the field.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

Clemens has looked this year...like Beck did last year. Just not very good.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

Right now I like Beck. Him and Grossman has played good through out the preseason, but I like Beck skill set. I think his quick release and mobility makes him my choice.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;827580]Clemens has looked this year...like Beck did last year. Just not very good.[/quote]

Yeah hard to fairly judge the guy considering he doesn't know the system yet and is playing with mostly scrubs around him.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=Mattyk;827585]Yeah hard to fairly judge the guy considering he doesn't know the system yet and is playing with mostly scrubs around him.[/quote]Exactly my point.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

If they're going to be more aggressive with Beck at QB (as they were against Balt.) then it leaves no doubt he should start. We don't have enough talent to match-up and beat teams in close games consistently enough for it to matter. We need to be more explosive and take on some of the risk involved with it. I'd rather go 6-10 spectacularly than 8-8 while eeking out the 8 wins. Either way we miss the playoffs but one approach helps build a stronger foundation for an effective offense in the long run by instilling an attacking culture.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

It's hard to judge any of these guys because they didn't have an offseason.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

[quote=Landry44;827591]It's hard to judge any of these guys because they didn't have an offseason.[/quote]
Except they all didn't have an off-season. They're both playing poker with the same hand.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

I like what I've seen out of Beck and the fact that he is mobile and smart.

Re: Who do you want to start at QB?
 

Add another fool to the list, Mark Schlereth just said he thinks Beck wins the job.