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I don't agree. I think Hall is a great tackler, and he forces a lot of fumbles going for the ball in certain situations. He basically won the game for us against Dallas, and Chicago last year.

How many CB's can say that?

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I've watch D. Hall since HS and a great tackler he's not.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7ZBTvrtIA&feature=player_detailpage[/ame]

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[quote=12thMan;828246]Yeah, I hate to sound cliche but it is preseason and that shit's just going to happen. At the end of the day, save three or four corners in the entire NFL, give me D.Hall any day of the week.[/quote]I'd take these before Hall, any day of the week and twice on Sunday:

Nnamdi, Woodson, Revis, McCourty, A. Samuel, DRC, T. Newman, Jammer, Grimes (ATL), P. Peterson, Trufant, Champ, B. Flowers, Finnegan, R. Mathis, Taylor & McFadden (PIT), Haden,

Probably would take V. Davis, C. Rogers (yes, I said it). and a few others too.

Hall isn't a "shut-down" corner. Hall makes plays, but gives up a ton of plays that more solid CBs don't give up.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;828200]Keim's analysis is always really good -- got to clean up those penalties and the point about Gruden also raving about Beck is an interesting turn of events.[/quote]

Yeah! I think John Keim is one of the best in the area. His comments on the scoring drive before halftime led by Grossman makes you wish he could be remotely close to that type consistency on a regular basis, if he could then perhaps his reputation wouldn't suffer the hits it has over the years.

The discouraging thing about Rex is that he cannot seem to correct the wrongs about his game...what you've seen in the past is what you'll continue to see in the future.

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[quote=Bucket;828269]I don't agree. I think Hall is a great tackler, and he forces a lot of fumbles going for the ball in certain situations. He basically won the game for us against Dallas, and Chicago last year.

How many CB's can say that?[/quote]Hall is a sub-par tackler at best, piss-poor at worst. Remember the "Delhomme" incident

EDIT: see 53Fan's post

That wasn't Vick, V. Young, Big Ben, Steve Young......it was JAKE DELHOMME.

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Please remember everyone get beat/drops a pass/fumbles/commits a foul everyonce and awhile.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;828278]Hall is a sub-par tackler at best, piss-poor at worst. Remember the "Delhomme" incident

EDIT: see 53Fan's post

That wasn't Vick, V. Young, Big Ben, Steve Young......it was JAKE DELHOMME.[/quote]

That was one situation. It's like me saying that Cofield is weak b/c Ricky Williams knocked him down at the Ravens game. I do think is a bit ridiculous to call him a great tackler, but I wouldn't sub-par either. In 2010 he had 95 tackles, that was 3rd in the team behind London and Rocky.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;828281]Please remember everyone get beat/drops a pass/fumbles/commits a foul everyonce and awhile.[/quote]

You would think people would keep this in mind, but not with a guy like Hall. People will bitch about him no matter what.

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You guys pull out one incident on a guy and that automatically makes him a poor tackler?

That's like saying Sean Taylor was a poor tackler because he got run over and stepped on from that Wilson guy from WVU? Who didn't even get drafted by any team or make it past college.

Merriman is a bad pass rusher because he got stone walled by Jones-Drew

Flacco is a bad QB because he threw 4 INT's in his first game last year?

You can't label someone something because of one incident, that's totally ludicrous. Hall tackles well for a cornerback and he is what he is. He'll give up plays trying to make big ones, but most of the time he makes more plays then he gives up. He was 3rd ont he team in tackles last year with almost 100 tackles.

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its not one incident with D Hall, though feel free to scour the youtube for highlights of his awesome tackling.

I'm with SS33 on this, he speaks 100% truth here ;) I agree with his description and his CB wishlist.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;828249]I can't speak to Gtripp's personal issue or possible hatred against Hall.....[B]however he is right that Hall does put himself before team in his on field play.[/B]

I'm not even referring to the incident after the TD. You are 100% correct, Hall is a great playmaker.....however he also gives up a great deal of plays too and is a poor tackler. Nothing has changed with Hall over the years, he is who he is. Unfortunately we're a bit thin at CB and Hall is our # 1.[/quote]

I think this is correct, but we're not talking about a situation like TO or Randy Moss at their worst. Honestly, I wish his attitude would change, but you have to trust Mike Shanahan's ability to keep the team disciplined. My thinking is if Shanahan doesn't think it is an issue, then it isn't an issue.

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[quote=Ruhskins;828284]That was one situation. It's like me saying that Cofield is weak b/c Ricky Williams knocked him down at the Ravens game. I do think is a bit ridiculous to call him a great tackler, but I wouldn't sub-par either. [B]In 2010 he had 95 tackles, that was 3rd in the team behind London and Rocky[/B].[/quote]That was more of an indictment of our terrible DL in 2010 rather than a display of Hall's superior tackling.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;828290]That was more of an indictment of our terrible DL in 2010 rather than a display of Hall's superior tackling.[/quote]

And I never said he was a superior tackler, but I would imagine that you can't be a piss poor tackler and be third in tackles on any team.

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95 tackles last year..

Man I could only imagine what a good tackler would of had in his place.. Like 200? Who needs London Fletcher.. Let's just draft some better tackling CB's.

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[quote=Bucket;828287]You can't label someone something because of one incident, that's totally ludicrous. Hall tackles well for a cornerback and he is what he is. [B]He'll give up plays trying to make big ones, but most of the time he makes more plays then he gives up[/B]. He was 3rd ont he team in tackles last year with almost 100 tackles.[/quote]On Hall's tackling, as others have mentioned, this is just an example, if you really watch the games closely or look at a DVR'd game....well let's just say the "eye in the sky don't lie".

Here is my problem with Hall and fans that support his play. Hall gives up far more plays than he makes, but the ones he makes are INTs and are what people remember from the game.
They don't remember:
- the 14 yds easy completion to Evans where hall wasn't within 2 yds of him
- or the 3 & 4 slant where Hall was abused, but fortunately the WR dropped
- or the whip route that Boldin abused Hall on for a first
- or the weak tackle effort from Hall on Boldin on the Otagwe blown coverage
- or the TD where Evans just blew by our #1 "speed" corner who couldn't recover and made no play on the ball
....and that was in 1 half without me really looking a Hall's tackling (I know he missed at least one other tackle)

Yes the INT for TD was a good play, but is it worth 2 first downs (a 3rd was dropped) to keep drives alive, plus a TD....I don't think so. Trust me on this, no OC fears Hall. On the contrary, OCs look to take advantage of Hall and for the most part they are successful.

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My opinion of Hall's tackling is far from being based on one incident...am I suppose to list them all? He's a great playmaker...always has been since high school. But he has cost his teams some games by taking chances too. That's not an opinion...that's a fact. I see nothing wrong with seeing a players weaknesses as well as his strengths. He has both.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;828195]You know what else is a game-changer? giving up TDs to the opposing offense because you're more busy looking to score on defense than play good defense. I would much rather DHall focus more on coverage and less on TDs. Asomugha, Revis, Sharper, etc. are great CBs because they take the opposing WR out of the game, not because they score touchdowns.[/quote]

Hall is what he is, a player that takes risks....sometimes he wins, sometime he loses. TBH I'd like to see a more complete player, if I were coaching him I would do so accordingly.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;828275]I'd take these before Hall, any day of the week and twice on Sunday:

Nnamdi, Woodson, Revis, McCourty, A. Samuel, DRC, T. Newman, Jammer, Grimes (ATL), P. Peterson, Trufant, Champ, B. Flowers, Finnegan, R. Mathis, Taylor & McFadden (PIT), Haden,

Probably would take V. Davis, C. Rogers (yes, I said it). and a few others too.

Hall isn't a "shut-down" corner. Hall makes plays, but gives up a ton of plays that more solid CBs don't give up.[/quote]

T.Newman is a very good corner..but I'd still take Hall over him. I'll give you Woodson, Ndamdi, Revis, and A.Samuel...and maybe Champ. I think Hall is in the pack with the rest of those guys.

In almost every case you mentioned those teams had at least one Pro-Bowler, if not two, rushing the QB. Huge difference.

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Flat out fact: if Chris Horton gets beaten in deep coverage by Lee Evans, then shamelessly stays on the field illegally with the idea that they'll have to go challenge the play if he protests it, Chris Horton gets released the next morning. Period. End of story.

Defensive "leaders" like Hall do get a bit more room for that, but we're really talking about 20% of NFL defensive players who won't get released instantly for pulling a selfish stunt. Whether or not your opinion of Hall is that he's one of the best 20% of defensive players in football, it's clear that the term to describe this is preferential treatment. If your defense of Hall is that he's [B]earned[/B] preferential treatment, fine, my argument ends at that point. But let us at least call it what it is.

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[quote=12thMan;828304]T.Newman is a very good corner..but I'd still take Hall over him. I'll give you Woodson, Ndamdi, Revis, and A.Samuel...and maybe Champ. I think Hall is in the pack with the rest of those guys.

In almost every case you mentioned those teams had at least one Pro-Bowler, if not two, rushing the QB. Huge difference.[/quote]You'd take Hall over Brandon Flowers, given the choice?

Well, at least you're not guilty of a pro-VT bias.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;828298]On Hall's tackling, as others have mentioned, this is just an example, if you really watch the games closely or look at a DVR'd game....well let's just say the "eye in the sky don't lie".

Here is my problem with Hall and fans that support his play. Hall gives up far more plays than he makes, but the ones he makes are INTs and are what people remember from the game.
They don't remember:
- the 14 yds easy completion to Evans where hall wasn't within 2 yds of him
-[B] or the 3 & 4 slant where Hall was abused, but fortunately the WR dropped[/B]
- or the whip route that Boldin abused Hall on for a first
- or the weak tackle effort from Hall on Boldin on the Otagwe blown coverage
- [B]or the TD where Evans just blew by our #1 "speed" corner who couldn't recover and made no play on the ball[/B]
....and that was in 1 half without me really looking a Hall's tackling (I know he missed at least one other tackle)

Yes the INT for TD was a good play, but is it worth 2 first downs (a 3rd was dropped) to keep drives alive, plus a TD....I don't think so. Trust me on this, no OC fears Hall. On the contrary, OCs look to take advantage of Hall and for the most part they are successful.[/quote]

You're just picking on the guy lol.. The Evans play was a good throw and play by the offense in which Hall still almost pulled the ball out to make a play.

The 3 yard slant? Really? Come on man.. He was tight on that coverage too, and if the WR makes the catch it's a 4 yard gain.

You're just being finicky with Hall, and it's the other side of the field we have to worry about more then Hall. Hall can't make all the plays,and he's not the guy who is going to lock down every play and every WR in the game today, but he's a good corner and I support him.

Our opinions wont change, so i'm going to agree to disagree. The guy won 2 games for us last year, and i'm glad he's a Redskin

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[quote=GTripp0012;828306][B]Flat out fact: if Chris Horton gets beaten in deep coverage by Lee Evans, then shamelessly stays on the field illegally with the idea that they'll have to go challenge the play if he protests it, Chris Horton gets released the next morning. Period. End of story.[/B]

Defensive "leaders" like Hall do get a bit more room for that, but we're really talking about 20% of NFL defensive players who won't get released instantly for pulling a selfish stunt. Whether or not your opinion of Hall is that he's one of the best 20% of defensive players in football, it's clear that the term to describe this is preferential treatment. If your defense of Hall is that he's [B]earned[/B] preferential treatment, fine, my argument ends at that point. But let us at least call it what it is.[/quote]

How can you call that a fact if it's never happen? You don't know what would happen if this was to occur. You guys are just picking on a guy who goes out and try's to make plays every game. This is the kinda defense Haslett wants and if you want to blame someone for this then blame him.

Facts.... LOL, That's like me saying..

FACT!!! John Beck would win the NFL MVP if he completed 50% of his passes this year

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Finally had a chance to review the game. Hopefully this is a preview of a weekly SS33 Game Review.

OL - Huge improvement from last year. Familiarity with the ZB scheme is helping the guys from last year. I finally saw an important component of the ZB scheme that was missing last year.....the cut blocks. On the Hightower TD, the cut from KL took down two Ravens and opened the cutback lane. I specifically saw good two good cuts by TW and another by KL. Didn't notice any from Brown/Chester, but hope they're coming.

Monty at C, without bashing ol' turnstile Rabach for a paragraph, let's just say Monty is a huge upgrade at C. The only bad play from him was a mis-communication between him and Chester that allowed the DT to shoot the A gap and blow up a run. Monty went 2nd level too early and Chester couldn't reach the DT.

Pass-pro is much improved. Not seeing the OL getting beaten with a 4 or 5 man rush. The OL is getting at worst a stalemate in pass-pro, which is a win and big improvement from last year where our OL were not only doing a poor job of blitz pick-up, but were losing individual battles.

Blitz Pick-up - An area that needs work, but with new players at C, RG, RB and TE this should improve and is an area that can be "coached up". TW has to get better at reading overload C-gap pressure and stay home rather than get sucked down to the B gap. Brown and Chester need to improve communication in passing the rushers between them. The blitz pick-up appears to be more of an issue on Brown's side. Hopefully by game 4-5 Brown, Chester and the backs/Davis will have settled in.

Davis is much improved in blocking and appears to be taking pride in this effort here. He still has work to do in blitz pick-up, but the run blocking appears to be coming along well and he's showing "want-to".

DL - Very pleased here. Cofield is showing why he was the most improtant off-season acquisition. He holds his ground in the run game and creates pressure in the pass game. The base 3-4 rush and 4-man front are getting pressure without needing blitz support....huge improvement from last year. I really like the even front with Rak and Kerrigan off the edges and Cofield and possibly Carriker/Bowen/Scott (JJ loss is awful, overall we'll be fine but he was a pleasant surprise).

Not real happy with Bowen's pre-snap stance (I get in a similar stance in the early AM), but he's doing his job so far.

I think Scott earned himself a roster spot with his versatility and effort. He created good pressure in pass rush and held up well in the run game overall.

More later....

You should make it a weekly feature. Your game reviews are the best I've seen on any message board and as good as many professional ones I've seen, and you don't have the same access to film they do

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[quote=Bucket;828312]You're just picking on the guy lol.. The Evans play was a good throw and play by the offense in which Hall still almost pulled the ball out to make a play.

The 3 yard slant? Really? Come on man.. He was tight on that coverage too, and if the WR makes the catch it's a 4 yard gain.

You're just being finicky with Hall, and it's the other side of the field we have to worry about more then Hall. Hall can't make all the plays,and he's not the guy who is going to lock down every play and every WR in the game today, but he's a good corner and I support him.

Our opinions wont change, so i'm going to agree to disagree. The guy won 2 games for us last year, and i'm glad he's a Redskin[/quote]The quick slant is one of the most important routes in football. A perfectly thrown quick slant will likely get a favorable down and distance at the very least, and it can easily be a 10 yard gain or more. I've seen how Brett Favre raped D's with that pass; it's not something to brush off lightly.

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Good stuff Sammy and very encouraging. Keep it coming!

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[quote=Bucket;828312]You're just picking on the guy lol.. The Evans play was a good throw and play by the offense in which Hall still almost pulled the ball out to make a play.

The 3 yard slant? Really? Come on man.. He was tight on that coverage too, and if the WR makes the catch it's a 4 yard gain.

You're just being finicky with Hall, and it's the other side of the field we have to worry about more then Hall. Hall can't make all the plays,and he's not the guy who is going to lock down every play and every WR in the game today, but he's a good corner and I support him.

Our opinions wont change, so i'm going to agree to disagree. The guy won 2 games for us last year, and i'm glad he's a Redskin[/quote]

The Hall bashing is really humorous on this board. Truth is, we see the other corners play a fraction of the time we see our guys week in and week out. So it's quite easy to take a handful of plays from the highlight reel or during the playoffs, when we see the other corners play nationally, and conclude they are head and shoulders above what we have. All corners give up big plays and miss tackles.

I'm not taking anything from from the other so called elite corners, but it seems we're nit-picking here. D.Hall had 95 tackles, 2 forced fumbles and six picks last year, and 16 defended passes. There are a lot of ways we could parse those stats and come to different conclusions, but given the front seven Hall playing in front of him last season and the plays he made, I'd still take him over the majority of cornerbacks in this league.

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Good breakdown, SS33

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[quote=12thMan;828319]The Hall bashing is really humorous on this board. Truth is, we see the other corners play a fraction of the time we see our guys week in and week out. So it's quite easy to take a handful of plays from the highlight reel or during the playoffs, when we see the other corners play nationally, and conclude they are heads and shoulders above what we have. All corners give up big plays and miss tackles.

I'm not taking anything from from the other so called elite corners, but it seems we're nit-picking here. D.Hall had 95 tackles, 2 forced fumbles and six picks last year, and 16 defended passes. There are a lot of ways we could parse those stats and come to different conclusions, but given the front seven Hall playing in front of him last season and the plays he made, I'd still take him over the majority of cornerbacks in this league.[/quote]Cornerback is one of the positions where stats are absolutely terrible at describing performance. Good coverage usually results in no stats being accrued.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;828298]On Hall's tackling, as others have mentioned, this is just an example, if you really watch the games closely or look at a DVR'd game....well let's just say the "eye in the sky don't lie".

Here is my problem with Hall and fans that support his play. Hall gives up far more plays than he makes, but the ones he makes are INTs and are what people remember from the game.
They don't remember:
- the 14 yds easy completion to Evans where hall wasn't within 2 yds of him
- or the 3 & 4 slant where Hall was abused, but fortunately the WR dropped
- or the whip route that Boldin abused Hall on for a first
- or the weak tackle effort from Hall on Boldin on the Otagwe blown coverage
- or the TD where Evans just blew by our #1 "speed" corner who couldn't recover and made no play on the ball
....and that was in 1 half without me really looking a Hall's tackling (I know he missed at least one other tackle)

Yes the INT for TD was a good play, but is it worth 2 first downs (a 3rd was dropped) to keep drives alive, plus a TD....I don't think so. Trust me on this, no OC fears Hall. On the contrary, OCs look to take advantage of Hall and for the most part they are successful.[/quote]


Wow interesting break down. All the players make mistakes so why are we bashing Hall? Does he take chances? yes and apparently thats why MS and Haslett like him otherwise he would be gone. Did he screw up on the TD pass and not turn around and either intercept or atleast bat the ball away.... yes he screwed up. I'm sure after watching film he will correct the problem. and yes he was giving players a cushion. why? I don't know... maybe it's by design of the scheme in order to take away something the offense was wanting to do and force them to go shorter to an underneith route? I don't know.

But if we are going to bash Hall then you might as well start bashing all the DL who let the Ravens RB's get 1st downs. So now we need not only a better CB but better DL. I'm also sure some LB's could be replaced as well who were out of position or failed to tackle also.

How soon we forget the tackle he made on a RB alot bigger then him in the Steelers game to keep them from getting a 1st down.

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[quote=SBXVII;828323]Wow interesting break down. All the players make mistakes so why are we bashing Hall? Does he take chances? yes and apparently thats why MS and Haslett like him otherwise he would be gone. Did he screw up on the TD pass and not turn around and either intercept or atleast bat the ball away.... yes he screwed up. I'm sure after watching film he will correct the problem. and yes he was giving players a cushion. why? I don't know... maybe it's by design of the scheme in order to take away something the offense was wanting to do and force them to go shorter to an underneith route? I don't know.

But if we are going to bash Hall then you might as well start bashing all the DL who let the Ravens RB's get 1st downs. So now we need not only a better CB but better DL. I'm also sure some LB's could be replaced as well who were out of position or failed to tackle also.

How soon we forget the tackle he made on a RB alot bigger then him in the Steelers game to keep them from getting a 1st down.[/quote]

The ultimate goal of the D is to prevent the opponent from scoring touchdowns. The D is going to force more punts and FGs than pick 6s. Hence, the need for Hall to bring more balance into his play. Hall's like a offensive Dman in hockey, always going for the sexy play will result in some embarassing moments where the opponent scores.

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I'm I the only one that missed the part where most NFL CB's are apparently great at tackling?

95 tackles by Dhall is nothing to scoff at. I'm sure he whiffed on a few but I'm sure CB's around the league whiffed on as many if not more than he did.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;828322]Cornerback is one of the positions where stats are absolutely terrible at describing performance. Good coverage usually results in no stats being accrued.[/quote]

Like I said we can parse the stats and come to different conclusions. Hall had twice as many tackles as Champ Baily. That probably says more about who Champ Baily had playing in front of him and the scheme than it does about Hall's tackling ability or lack thereof if you believe everything being said here. That said, you still don't make 95 arm tackles, at some point you have to conclude the guy stuck his helmet and pads in somebody's chest.

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nah, he just was fortunate to go up against extremely soft ball carriers...

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;828324]The ultimate goal of the D is to prevent the opponent from scoring touchdowns. The D is going to force more punts and FGs than pick 6s. Hence, the need for Hall to bring more balance into his play. Hall's like a offensive Dman in hockey, always going for the sexy play will result in some embarassing moments where the opponent scores.[/quote]

Ok, I see your point. This whole defense centers around Hall. Forget the whole other side of the field. If there is a TD then it's all Halls fault. Come on man..... in the first game it was the Safeties who were screwing up but not a word. Hall screws up and we need to replace him because he sucks.

I'm sorry he gets a pass from me. It doesn't matter when it came during the game to me yes he gave up a TD but he redeemed himself by getting a TD also. It's a wash for me. Lets get over it and move on.

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[quote=GreekSkin;828325]I'm I the only one that missed the part where most NFL CB's are apparently great at tackling?

95 tackles by Dhall is nothing to scoff at. I'm sure he whiffed on a few but I'm sure CB's around the league whiffed on as many if not more than he did.[/quote]

But apparently they are not Hall so they are superior.

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Plus I think it's up to Haslett. If he didn't think Hall could cover the opponants #1 WR then he would make another CB cover them and let Hall shift to the side with the lesser talent. But apparently he has faith in Hall by letting him cover his side of the field.

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Hall-Still-Has-An-Eye-For-Interceptions/c14a2246-f903-4b6d-89e5-9f52fd027a10]Hall Still Has An Eye For Interceptions[/url]

[QUOTE]After three preseason games, the Redskins’ defense is allowing 14.7 points per game and a modest 262.7 yards a game. They have recorded 10 sacks and two interceptions.[/QUOTE]

This is whats impressing me, although it's only preseason.... I think last year points per game was like 21 and yrds per game was like double at 400 or more. They have done a lot to fix the problem if this continues into the regular season.

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[quote=12thMan;828326]Like I said we can parse the stats and come to different conclusions. Hall had twice as many tackles as Champ Baily. That probably says more about who Champ Baily had playing in front of him and the scheme than it does about Hall's tackling ability or lack thereof if you believe everything being said here. That said, you still don't make 95 arm tackles, at some point you have to conclude the guy stuck his helmet and pads in somebody's chest.[/quote]

Good corners do not make 95 tackles because such a high number of tackles means that corner is giving up away too many completions and thus is not feared by QBs.

Asomugha and Revis both have a far lower amount of tackles and NOBODY would argue that they're even on par with Hall; both are better. The reason why? Testing them usually results in a play that gains 0 yards(incompletions) or worse.
They do not sacrifice coverage for a small marginal gain in INTs. Breaking 10 picks in a season is a difficult task, and converting picks into points is hardly a guaranteed matter. The point differential between a successful INT by Hall and failed attempt by Hall must be a positive value, otherwise, he's likely hurting the team. Yes, you want guys who can grab picks when the situation DOES present itself(which Stonehands could not do), at the same time, you don't want them to take too much risk and then give up points.

Hell, Hall has never had more than 6 picks in a season. Thus, AT MOST, he would fetch 42 points based on "successful" picks. Since not every pick results in points, that number is far lower. But his number of UNSUCCESSFUL picks gives the opponent points. Since he is such a habitual gambler, I believe assuming he attempts at least 16 times a season to grab those picks is not out of the question. Heck, if his failed gambles led to a field goal every time, the points he snatch for the team and the points he helped cough up would be equal.

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Ravens)
 

[quote=SBXVII;828328]Ok, I see your point. This whole defense centers around Hall. Forget the whole other side of the field. If there is a TD then it's all Halls fault. Come on man..... in the first game it was the Safeties who were screwing up but not a word. Hall screws up and we need to replace him because he sucks.

I'm sorry he gets a pass from me. It doesn't matter when it came during the game to me yes he gave up a TD but he redeemed himself by getting a TD also. It's a wash for me. Lets get over it and move on.[/quote]

Oh, I'm sorry, but there's a better corner who has donned the Redskins uniform and has some rings to boot as well. Forgive me for having high standards. Any rudimentary cost-benefit analysis would show that Hall is a complete idiot for trying so hard to get that one extra pick precisely because picks are extremely low probability events. You let the picks "come to you" and [U]catch[/U] those picks(Stonehands could not, nor was his coverage that good). You don't chase them at the expense of coverage because there's going to be MANY, MANY more "no attempts" or incompletions if you cover well.