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Who knows. Maybe Sellers will get a chance to take a couple of snaps at Running Back.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;851995]Who knows. Maybe Sellers will get a chance to take a couple of snaps at Running Back.[/quote]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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That sucks , TH has run very hard all year . Torain is a tough runner , maybe Helo and Royster also show something .

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[quote=mooby;851997]What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.[/quote]

[YT]sQAZl_AZORs[/YT]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;852001][YT]sQAZl_AZORs[/YT][/quote]

:laughing- How dare you, for lowering the board's collective IQ. Watch. Someone's gonna take that suggestion seriously. That was the worst joke you've ever made in all your years on the board.

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We ****ed

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[quote=Nomad;852011]We ****ed[/quote]

On the contrary. They did a great job of providing depth across the board. Cooley goes down, no problem we still have Fred Davis. Santana goes down, slight problem but we have plenty of guys that can at least produce. Austin at the very least should be able to step in and have a few good games, and Paul also looks promising.

Loose Hightower, no problem, as we still have Torain and Helu not to mention Royster.

Offensive line depth is also impressive but honestly will not be able to handle another hit. With that said Cook is actually looking like a starting quality Center and Locklear more then held his own. As far as we know now, the group they brought into this year is 7 players deep. Lets hope we don't have to learn if they're 8 players deep.

Defense needs to get back on track though. Ironic to considering they carried the team through the first 5.5 games.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;852014]On the contrary. They did a great job of providing depth across the board. Cooley goes down, no problem we still have Fred Davis. Santana goes down, slight problem but we have plenty of guys that can at least produce. Austin at the very least should be able to step in and have a few good games, and Paul also looks promising.

Loose Hightower, no problem, as we still have Torain and Helu not to mention Royster.

Offensive line depth is also impressive but honestly will not be able to handle another hit. With that said Cook is actually looking like a starting quality Center and Locklear more then held his own. As far as we know now, the group they brought into this year is 7 players deep. Lets hope we don't have to learn if they're 8 players deep.

Defense needs to get back on track though. [B] Ironic to considering they carried the team through the first 5.5 games[/B].[/quote]
I thought so as well. Little disappointed there.....but they'll come around.
Nice quick assess.......

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[quote=DynamiteRave;851986]I'm with you. I voiced my opinion on that in the gameday thread and got crucified and cussed out to the point where not only did I feel attacked, but to the point where I'm not completely comfortable voicing my opinion anymore. But wanted to let you know, I'm on board with ya.

Sent from my Droid using Tapatalk[/quote]

You got cussed about because you're accusing me of making false assumptions about you, not because of T.O. Everything was fine until you started labeling me as a Hankerson lover and you sticking by your assumptions when I made none of it on my end. You attacked ME and now are turtling. I cussed you out because you didn't even read my posts and you stick by your assumptions over whatever I say. I have no respect for that. NONE. You can believe T.O will be fine for us and I won't care.

But I won't sit idly back and let you you calumniate me and play the victim card when you're lock yourself up in your own ivory tower of ignorance

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Sigh...I'll deal with you two in the morning. Go brush your teeth and get ready for bed

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[quote=SBXVII;851978]I think I was brave enough to suggest T.O. yesterday. Why? Moss is out 5-6 wks which I figured. Moss was our best WR. AA has had a ton of drops with Rex and it didn't change with Beck. Basically AA was our deep threat and Moss was our possession WR.

Gaffney has caught nothing long. Paul is only used for blocking. Austin could step up but why has it not happened previously? We need a possession WR, one who can keep defenses honest and one who will have to be accounted for by the defense to free up AA, Gaffney, Austin or whoever. I don't foresee Hankerson doing that or Stallworth.[/quote]

T.O's extra 400-600 yards and whatever TDs(possibly 3-4) this season would mean nothing to us this season if we don't get a ton of wins from him. Even if we add him, we're not really in contention for the Super Bowl. We are 3-3 now, and the addition of an aging WR with diminishing skills who does not know the playbook will not make us suddenly go 7-3, finish with a 10-6 record, and take us to the NFC Championship game, or even past the divisional round. You add T.O to increase your win total. I don't see him increasing it that much to be worth it. T.O will not save us from being stomped by one of the "real" contenders like Green Bay or New Orleans.

Those extras yards and touchdowns also do not rollover to the next season. He'll have to start from square one and outproduce Gaffney or Amstrong. That means better stats than either one of them.

Then, there's the matter that T.O is might be a lemon and thus might not better than what we have. His production has decreased(hasn't had a 1000 yard season since he was in Dallas) and he is coming off an ACL injury. His speed is not going to be what it was when he was 27 and he very well may not get that burst back until next season, if he ever does. A receiver with such limited athleticism will not be making a great impact for us.

T.O is well-known for his dropsies too. He even led the league in them in 2006. A drop machine can hardly be considered worthy of a possession receiver role, where sure hands are an absolute necessity.

With so many potential flaws, I see Terrence Austin as much better alternative. He has a rapport with Beck and does NOT drop the ball willy-nilly.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;852022]You got cussed about because you're accusing me of making false assumptions about you, not because of T.O. Everything was fine until you started labeling me as a Hankerson lover and you sticking by your assumptions when I made none of it on my end. You attacked ME and now are turtling. I cussed you out because you didn't even read my posts and you stick by your assumptions over whatever I say. I have no respect for that. NONE. You can believe T.O will be fine for us and I won't care.

But I won't sit idly back and let you you calumniate me and play the victim card when you're lock yourself up in your own ivory tower of ignorance[/quote]

Yeah I made an accusation based on what I was reading. Whether it was wrong or right, is steeped in opinion. You said you aren't fine, I just disagreed. But I dropped the accusation and went back on defending the TO pickup and why I think Hankerson may end up a dud. To which you continued freaking out and yelling.

As a longtime member of this site I think it's pretty ridiculous that I got cussed out over something so incredibly trivial and apparently, that's a-ok, especially when I did nothing but be civil and not hostile towards you in anyway (i.e. cussing and showing my ass) but whatever. It's been real.

Peace.

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[quote=SmootSmack;851950]TO's going to Tennesee...or so goes the rumor. Beside what do we have Paul, Hankerson, and Austin for?[/quote]

I wondered if TO might be on the radar but giving the younger guys time makes more sense long run.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;852033]T.O's extra 400-600 yards and whatever TDs(possibly 3-4) this season would mean nothing to us this season if we don't get a ton of wins from him. Even if we add him, we're not really in contention for the Super Bowl. We are 3-3 now, and the addition of an aging WR with diminishing skills who does not know the playbook will not make us suddenly go 7-3, finish with a 10-6 record, and take us to the NFC Championship game, or even past the divisional round. You add T.O to increase your win total. I don't see him increasing it that much to be worth it. T.O will not save us from being stomped by one of the "real" contenders like Green Bay or New Orleans.

Those extras yards and touchdowns also do not rollover to the next season. He'll have to start from square one and outproduce Gaffney or Amstrong. That means better stats than either one of them.

Then, there's the matter that T.O is might be a lemon and thus might not better than what we have. His production has decreased(hasn't had a 1000 yard season since he was in Dallas) and he is coming off an ACL injury. His speed is not going to be what it was when he was 27 and he very well may not get that burst back until next season, if he ever does. A receiver with such limited athleticism will not be making a great impact for us.

T.O is well-known for his dropsies too. He even led the league in them in 2006. A drop machine can hardly be considered worthy of a possession receiver role, where sure hands are an absolute necessity.

With so many potential flaws, I see Terrence Austin as much better alternative. He has a rapport with Beck and does NOT drop the ball willy-nilly.[/quote]

Would you rather play with Moss or with out? Obviously with him. See while he's playing he opens up the field for AA or Gaffney or Stallworth to get open. Now that he's out 5-6 weeks there will be no one to take away the defenses attention so those other WR's can get open. We need someone who can replace Moss, ie; T.O. I'm not saying he needs to be put on deep routes or go routes, I'm simply saying the team could use him for the short to intermediate routes which would open up the deep field for AA or Gaffney because defenses would have to double up on T.O.

Funny that you mention he would not know the playbook or know which route to run when we have someone on the team right now who fits that mold ..... Hankerson. Plus he doesn't need to know the whole playbook, he just needs to know 10-20 plays.

I also was suprised how you mentioned T.O. drops passes all the time, have you not watched every week when AA drops passes? Gaffney? How about Davis who seems to drop his fair share of passes and thats not counting his tipped passes that lead to interceptions.

Worse case scenario T.O. comes in and plays just as bad as what we already have. Best case scenario is he comes in and catches a few passes. I think we all know this team is not going to the SB. But catching a few passes for 1st downs might help move the chains which might result in more opportunities for scores.

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[quote=SBXVII;852060]Would you rather play with Moss or with out? Obviously with him. See while he's playing he opens up the field for AA or Gaffney or Stallworth to get open. Now that he's out 5-6 weeks there will be no one to take away the defenses attention so those other WR's can get open. We need someone who can replace Moss, ie; T.O. I'm not saying he needs to be put on deep routes or go routes, I'm simply saying the team could use him for the short to intermediate routes which would open up the deep field for AA or Gaffney because defenses would have to double up on T.O. [/quote]Ok, let's assume T.O can do what you say. Now, specify the concrete benefits T.O gives to us both production-wise and in wins given. What's his expected stat line and how many extra wins do we get for him now and in the future? I've already given my estimates of 2 wins, 400-600 yards(700 if he's really hot), and 3-4 TDs out of the remaining 10 games we have.
T.O needs to provide large benefits to be deemed worthy of the roster spot. The rationale is simple. Since he will provide NOTHING very soon(retirement is looming for him and he might not survive the competition next year), we have to cash out on everything he's got right now. We want stats and need wins from him to make it a worthwhile pickup. I do not see enough wins or stats from T.O now to pick him up over scouring the league for castoffs and the like who might help us win for years after this season.

If I had to guess, I say we'd go 6-10 if we just stick with what we have and everything goes wrong for us for the rest of the season.

[quote]Funny that you mention he would not know the playbook or know which route to run when we have someone on the team right now who fits that mold ..... Hankerson. Plus he doesn't need to know the whole playbook, he just needs to know 10-20 plays. [/quote] T.O will have a learning curve regardless of whoever else is on the roster. For a short-term vet with a low ceiling, he needs to produce big now or else he's not serving the purpose of his acquistion, which is more wins and more stats.

The only reason Hankerson has a roster spot now is that he is a risky gamble(VERY, VERY low probability) that he will provide some VERY large future returns, just like every other draft pick. T.O is _possibly_ less risky and is supposed to provide some current returns; he has nothing to provide in the future. The matter is which is more valuable to the team: getting returns right now or hunting for future returns.


[quote]
I also was suprised how you mentioned T.O. drops passes all the time, have you not watched every week when AA drops passes? Gaffney? How about Davis who seems to drop his fair share of passes and thats not counting his tipped passes that lead to interceptions. [/quote]Just what are you surprised about? I stated a fact about T.O. A fact about T.O does not change facts about anyone else. If your retort's purpose is to try and prove that T.O is [I]not a pass dropper[/I], you are unsuccessful. We already have players who drops passes. That doesn't make T.O any [I]less[/I] likely to keep on dropping passes either. It just means they all are pass droppers. So, the tiebreaker is determine by [potentially] what else each respective WR gives to the team. T.O right now [I]could[/I] give more than either Armstrong or Gaffney, but time is not on his side nor is he a guarantee to outdo either. It'll probably be a lateral move when all is said and done.

[quote]
Worse case scenario T.O. comes in and plays just as bad as what we already have. Best case scenario is he comes in and catches a few passes. I think we all know this team is not going to the SB. But catching a few passes for 1st downs might help move the chains which might result in more opportunities for scores.[/quote]
For a short-term "sure thing" guy like T.O, he needs to help provide many wins and take us over the top, not just have us save face and finish 8-8.
People will not remember these hypothetical extra wins T.O provides the team this season if there is no "success" this season. This season would just be shelved just like every "unsuccessful" season that has passed whether we go 8-8 or 4-12.

The extra stats T.O provides in 2011-2012 will also do nothing for the 2012-2013 season, especially if he isn't here for that season. Since the draft and FA provide a ton of fresh blood to compete with T.O, him [I]not[/I] being here in 2012-2013 is VERY likely.

The only way I'd be on board for T.O is if we cut Stallworth for him. And even then, I'd argue that we could be signing another depth OL or scouring other team's practice squad for something with fresher legs and the ever-so-slight chance (think .0001 probability) of being something more than a goose-egg three years from now.

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[quote=mooby;851997]What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.[/quote]

Ha Love it!!! O'Doyle Rules!

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Both of these injuries suck for us. Hightower was having a nice game and Moss was having a good season. Looks like we will see more of our young WRs (slight silver lining) and I guess we activate Royster and see what he can do?

I wish them both the best for speedy recoveries. So thats Jenkins, Lichtenstiener, and now Hightower with ACL's...that sucks.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;852040]Yeah I made an accusation based on what I was reading. Whether it was wrong or right, is steeped in opinion. You said you aren't fine, I just disagreed. But I dropped the accusation and went back on defending the TO pickup and why I think Hankerson may end up a dud. To which you continued freaking out and yelling.

As a longtime member of this site I think it's pretty ridiculous that I got cussed out over something so incredibly trivial and apparently, that's a-ok, especially when I did nothing but be civil and not hostile towards you in anyway (i.e. cussing and [B]showing my ass)[/B] but whatever. It's been real.

Peace.[/quote]

Wait does SS know that? I thought you were his "side dish" :spank::cheeky-sm

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T.O. makes no sense here.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;852097]Wait does SS know that? I thought you were his "side dish" :spank::cheeky-sm[/quote]

She dumped me for Slingin' Sammy. Turns out I wasn't SS enough for her...sigh

As to this whole TO talk. I think, even though she dumped me, D Rave is one of our best, most level headed members here. I don't agree with her though that TO makes any sense here. We don't need a quick band-aid at WR. That's not where we are as a team. And we especially don't need a 38 year old coming off of major surgery. I also think she's a bit too critical of Hankerson too soon. But that's my opinion. As she has hers. I read the GameDay thread a couple if times. And I didn't really find that she "went after" SCP. I think maybe in the heat of the thread some unfortunate assumptions were made. D Rave shouldn't feel like she can't express her opinion. Even if it's tge wrong one :).

Unfortunately, logic and common sense tend to go out the window particularly during the GameDay threads. People get all charged up and start posting and reacting absurdly. So generally we cut a little slack, knowing that we're all idiots on game day. But that was two days ago, so let's move on.

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[quote=SmootSmack;852100]She dumped me for Slingin' Sammy. Turns out I wasn't SS enough for her...sigh
...[/quote]

So I was gonna ask if I could change my name to SeeSkinsSidelineShout. Double the SS all the time!

LOL

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[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2011/10/owens-to-redskins-highly-unlikely-to-happen.html]Owens to Redskins highly unlikely to happen - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

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SirClintonPortis,

Your just guessing. No different then everyone "thought" Beck would start and light it up proving that Grossman was as bad as everyone says he is and the savior Beck would change everything and this team would be back in the play off hunt.

Yeah.... that didn't happen, especially against probably the worst defense. So although you can make predictions off of old stats... no one really knows what he will do for us. All I was pointing out is that Hankerson is not doing any better and that considering other teams still might double him up that would leave someone else open or T.O. one on one. I'm not saying bring in T.O. cause he will change everything and he will set this team right. Heck I wouldn't even say that about Moss if he was healthy. No one player makes a whole team.

No different then I said Beck would be just as bad because of the WR's and because the coaching staff would not probably use him to the best of his abilities. Would T.O. come in and solve everything putting up a ton of yrds catching? I don't know, and honestly you really don't know. If the team used him for what he can do now, short to intermediate routes as a possession WR, then AA and Gaffney can go long with their speed. Could he start right away? he's been in the league long enough to know the routes. It would be more about terminology. Coaching staff gets him up to speed on 10 to 15 plays he might be helpful especially on 3rd downs just for starters.

People love to mention how he drops balls. Hello, we are not seeing anything different out of AA, Gaffney, Stallworth, Hankerson...etc. etc. So basically all I suggested was the team going out to see how healthy he is, if healthy then think about bringing him in as a replacement for Moss until he gets healthy. Stallworth has a hamstring injury for which he was out last week. Is he healthy? Is AA completely healthy? Hightower is out for the season. If T.O. looked good I'd think about bringing him in to fill Hightower's spot and play WR until Moss is healthy. Depending on how well or bad he did the team can decide what to do with him later. Cut him. Keep him. Whatever.

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I was a big supporter of bringing TO in when he left Dallas/Bills on a 1 year basis. But now we have young receivers that we have to get in the mix for playing time. Beck may not be the answer, but TO - at this point - is clearly not. He is old, and I think the fact that no team has interest proves the point that his skills have clearly declined. I would rather go through this year getting our young receivers time on the field, so that whoever we draft will have some targets with experience.

A side note, I think Beck played well for his first start in 4 years. Lets see if he can get going with some time and experience, remember now he will be playing with nearly all the same WR's he had been practicing with. I still expect good, not great, things from him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;852105][URL="http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2011/10/owens-to-redskins-highly-unlikely-to-happen.html"]Owens to Redskins highly unlikely to happen - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/URL][/quote]

I think he hit the nail on the head:


With the caveat that you should never say never, here are a few reasons why that the Redskins will not sign Owens:

--The Redskins are not sending anyone to Owens’ workout today. When asked yesterday if anyone from the organization was going Mike Shanahan said, “Not that I know of.” If the Redskins were sending anyone, Shanahan would know.

--When Owens was a free agent last year Shanahan, who never comments on whether or not the team is pursuing a specific player, made an exception and ruled out signing Owens. And remember that the Redskins were much worse off at receiver a year ago as Roydell Williams had a roster spot the entire year and Joey Galloway had one for a while, too.

--The Redskins drafted three receivers last April and they also have second-year receiver Terrence Austin. [B]It would be the height of insanity for a team that is trying to build for the future to give snaps to and throw passes to a wide receiver who is going to be 38 in December.[/B]
Here is what Shanahan said about Niles Paul a couple of weeks ago:
“He’s going to be an excellent football player for a lot of years…He’s a football player. You can see it on special teams and watching him every day in practice. He’s going to get better and better as time goes on. You guys will be talking about him for a while.”

And here is what he said on Monday about Leonard Hankerson:

Hankerson has been making some unbelievable plays in practice. We put him out there to get an opportunity.

It certainly doesn’t seem to me that the Redskins are anxious to bring in an aging high-maintenance diva to play wide receiver.

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AND the number one reason we won't sign TO is because it's just.........stupid.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;852116]I was a big supporter of bringing TO in when he left Dallas/Bills on a 1 year basis. But now we have young receivers that we have to get in the mix for playing time. Beck may not be the answer, but TO - at this point - is clearly not. He is old, and I think the fact that no team has interest proves the point that his skills have clearly declined. I would rather go through this year getting our young receivers time on the field, so that whoever we draft will have some targets with experience.

A side note, I think Beck played well for his first start in 4 years. Lets see if he can get going with some time and experience, remember now he will be playing with nearly all the same WR's he had been practicing with. I still expect good, not great, things from him.[/quote]

Totally agree with the getting younger. Just pointing out that if they want a WR that should already know the routes (not the terminology though) T.O. might should get a look. Older Vet to support the young guys. Thats what Moss was.

I get this bad feeling I watched the wrong Redskins game last weekend cause I'm totally suprised hearing people thinking Beck did well? He did no better then Grossman and committed the same mistakes. and the best answer to that is .."he did well for not having played in 4 yrs." Come on folks, unless I missed it he has practiced for 4 yrs and he has played in the preseason in the last 4 yrs and played rather well in our preseason games. He was not sitting on the couch at home waiting for a call, I'd definitly feel sorry for him if that was the case and probably feel like others feel that his outing was not too bad.

Lets call it what it is.... fans didn't like Grossman, didn't want Grossman, and found every reason in the book to blame the "teams" performance on him. Every single misque was Grossmans fault. Now that he's out, and the favoured QB (Beck) is in and the performance is exactly the same, fans come up with excuses.
"Oh, he was rusty"
"Oh, he was off balance"
"Oh, it was the WR's fault"
"Oh, the OL caused the fumble for not blocking"
"Oh, the WR's are dropping balls"
"Grossman did bad against bad or injured teams"
etc. etc.

Hello, Beck did just as bad, 1 INT (should have been 2) and 1 fumble. Against probably the worst defense.

Grossman is not the long term answer especially at 31yo. Beck having a similar outing against a bad defense is not the long term answer either at 30yo. So, if you want to start the young guns and see what they got and can do ya might as well throw in Jonathan Crompton at QB who's only 24. Lets see what he's got in order to decide if we definitly have to draft a QB next yr.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;852105][url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2011/10/owens-to-redskins-highly-unlikely-to-happen.html]Owens to Redskins highly unlikely to happen - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url][/quote]

Gotta agree with this. Unfortunatly at Moss injury, Stallworth's ineffectiveness and Gaffney's inconsistency...this is a perfect time to get the young guys in the line up. This actually could be a positive turning point, to get young guys in and give them a chance to grab and hold on into a starting spot. To even consider TO would be a massive, Vinny-like mistake. Lets give the young guys a chance to develop and see if they can spark a bottom-5-in-the-league offense.

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[quote=Hog1;852122]AND the number one reason we won't sign TO is because it's just.........stupid.[/quote]

Stupid is as stupid does.

Look. I'm not saying he's the answer. Just pointing out that our Vet on the WR team is down. Who do we have as a Vet? tell me your not going with Stallworth. Plus he was out injured with a hammie last week. Is he healthy? Is AA healthy after his hammie? Those injuries can last weeks also especially if they are brought back too soon.

Will the team go out and get T.O.? I doubt it. We'll see a heavy dose of Davis and Paulson, a lot of running, and all the young guns on the field. AA, Paul, Austin, Hankerson, and some other old guy who hasn't done much Stallworth.

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[quote=Chico23231;852129]Gotta agree with this. Unfortunatly at Moss injury, Stallworth's ineffectiveness and Gaffney's inconsistency...this is a perfect time to get the young guys in the line up. This actually could be a positive turning point, to get young guys in and give them a chance to grab and hold on into a starting spot. To even consider TO would be a massive, Vinny-like mistake. Lets give the young guys a chance to develop and see if they can spark a bottom-5-in-the-league offense.[/quote]

Yup, it's the perfect time to get Paul, Austin, and Hankerson involved more.

Paul especially seems ready for a bigger workload.

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[quote=SBXVII;852127]Totally agree with the getting younger. Just pointing out that if they want a WR that should already know the routes (not the terminology though) T.O. might should get a look. Older Vet to support the young guys. Thats what Moss was.

I get this bad feeling I watched the wrong Redskins game last weekend cause I'm totally suprised hearing people thinking Beck did well? He did no better then Grossman and committed the same mistakes. and the best answer to that is .."he did well for not having played in 4 yrs." Come on folks, unless I missed it he has practiced for 4 yrs and he has played in the preseason in the last 4 yrs and played rather well in our preseason games. He was not sitting on the couch at home waiting for a call, I'd definitly feel sorry for him if that was the case and probably feel like others feel that his outing was not too bad.

Lets call it what it is.... fans didn't like Grossman, didn't want Grossman, and found every reason in the book to blame the "teams" performance on him. Every single misque was Grossmans fault. Now that he's out, and the favoured QB (Beck) is in and the performance is exactly the same, fans come up with excuses.
"Oh, he was rusty"
"Oh, he was off balance"
"Oh, it was the WR's fault"
"Oh, the OL caused the fumble for not blocking"
"Oh, the WR's are dropping balls"
"Grossman did bad against bad or injured teams"
etc. etc.

Hello, Beck did just as bad, 1 INT (should have been 2) and 1 fumble. Against probably the worst defense.

Grossman is not the long term answer especially at 31yo. Beck having a similar outing against a bad defense is not the long term answer either at 30yo. So, if you want to start the young guns and see what they got and can do ya might as well throw in Jonathan Crompton at QB who's only 24. Lets see what he's got in order to decide if we definitly have to draft a QB next yr.[/quote]

Can't agree w/much of your evaluation of Beck's game. His stat line of 1 interception is appropriate, since he got away w/one & then the one he threw was debatable as to whose fault it was. It evens out. F. Davis said a couple last week were his fault, but Rex had a couple that were dropped v. Philly, don't forget that.

Sure Beck didn't make all the reads well, but he made plays moving in & out of the pocket that Rex is almost entirely incapable of. He didn't lose this game & yes, he did have a few big drops by recievers that could've made it a different game.

I saw a QB sunday that was a pretty big upgrade to what we had before. He'll have his bad games, he's not a great qb by any stretch, but he gives us more of a chance to win.

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[quote=Chico23231;852129]Gotta agree with this. Unfortunatly at Moss injury, Stallworth's ineffectiveness and Gaffney's inconsistency...this is a perfect time to get the young guys in the line up. This actually could be a positive turning point, to get young guys in and give them a chance to grab and hold on into a starting spot. To even consider TO would be a massive, Vinny-like mistake. Lets give the young guys a chance to develop and see if they can spark a bottom-5-in-the-league offense.[/quote]

I couldn't agree more. :thumb:

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[quote=freddyg12;852137]Can't agree w/much of your evaluation of Beck's game. His stat line of 1 interception is appropriate, since he got away w/one & then the one he threw was debatable as to whose fault it was. It evens out. F. Davis said a couple last week were his fault, but Rex had a couple that were dropped v. Philly, don't forget that.

Sure Beck didn't make all the reads well, but he made plays moving in & out of the pocket that Rex is almost entirely incapable of. He didn't lose this game & yes, he did have a few big drops by recievers that could've made it a different game.

I saw a QB sunday that was a pretty big upgrade to what we had before. He'll have his bad games, he's not a great qb by any stretch, but he gives us more of a chance to win.[/quote]

I'm with you.

I thought Beck played well enough to where I'm curious to see what he can do as he gets more comfortable out there. Grossman is a known commodity, and we know what his ceiling is. Beck is still unknown in that regard.

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[quote=Chico23231;852129]Gotta agree with this. Unfortunatly at Moss injury, Stallworth's ineffectiveness and Gaffney's inconsistency...this is a perfect time to get the young guys in the line up. This actually could be a positive turning point, to get young guys in and give them a chance to grab and hold on into a starting spot. To even consider TO would be a massive, Vinny-like mistake. Lets give the young guys a chance to develop and see if they can spark a bottom-5-in-the-league offense.[/quote]

The young guys should've been playing from day one and Stallworth and Gaffney shouldn't have been signed in the first place.

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[quote=SBXVII;852132]Stupid is as stupid does.

Look. I'm not saying he's the answer. Just pointing out that our Vet on the WR team is down. [B]Who do we have as a Vet? tell[/B] me your not going with Stallworth. Plus he was out injured with a hammie last week. Is he healthy? Is AA healthy after his hammie? Those injuries can last weeks also especially if they are brought back too soon.

Will the team go out and get T.O.? I doubt it. We'll see a heavy dose of Davis and Paulson, a lot of running, and all the young guns on the field. AA, Paul, Austin, Hankerson, and some other old guy who hasn't done much Stallworth.[/quote]

Why do we need a vet out there? Guys all around the league get drafted and play right away.

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[quote=skinsfan69;852142]The young guys should've been playing from day one and Stallworth and Gaffney shouldn't have been signed in the first place.[/quote]

I agree, Stallworth should be cut and Kareem Moore activated.

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[quote=SBXVII;852132]Stupid is as stupid does.

Look. I'm not saying he's the answer. Just pointing out that our Vet on the WR team is down. Who do we have as a Vet? tell me your not going with Stallworth. Plus he was out injured with a hammie last week. Is he healthy? Is AA healthy after his hammie? Those injuries can last weeks also especially if they are brought back too soon.

Will the team go out and get T.O.? I doubt it. We'll see a heavy dose of Davis and Paulson, a lot of running, and all the young guns on the field. AA, Paul, Austin, Hankerson, and some other old guy who hasn't done much Stallworth.[/quote]

It IS stupid because:
We are in rebuild mode.....
We need to audition our young guys.
We are not going to....seriously challenge this year.
TO is done....
EVEN if he is not.....we are not one player away...
HTTR! I admire your....Chutzpah

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[quote=Hog1;852145]It IS stupid because:
We are in rebuild mode.....
We need to audition our young guys.
We are not going to....seriously challenge this year.
TO is done....
EVEN if he is not.....we are not one player away...
HTTR! I admire your....Chutzpah[/quote]

All accurate points.

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[quote=SBXVII;852127]Totally agree with the getting younger. Just pointing out that if they want a WR that should already know the routes (not the terminology though) T.O. might should get a look. Older Vet to support the young guys. Thats what Moss was.

I get this bad feeling I watched the wrong Redskins game last weekend cause I'm totally suprised hearing people thinking Beck did well? He did no better then Grossman and committed the same mistakes. and the best answer to that is .."he did well for not having played in 4 yrs." Come on folks, unless I missed it he has practiced for 4 yrs and he has played in the preseason in the last 4 yrs and played rather well in our preseason games. He was not sitting on the couch at home waiting for a call, I'd definitly feel sorry for him if that was the case and probably feel like others feel that his outing was not too bad.

[B]Lets call it what it is.... fans didn't like Grossman, didn't want Grossman, and found every reason in the book to blame the "teams" performance on him. Every single misque was Grossmans fault. Now that he's out, and the favoured QB (Beck) is in and the performance is exactly the same, fans come up with excuses.
"Oh, he was rusty"
"Oh, he was off balance"
"Oh, it was the WR's fault"
"Oh, the OL caused the fumble for not blocking"
"Oh, the WR's are dropping balls"
"Grossman did bad against bad or injured teams"
etc. etc. [/B]

Hello, Beck did just as bad, 1 INT (should have been 2) and 1 fumble. Against probably the worst defense.

Grossman is not the long term answer especially at 31yo. Beck having a similar outing against a bad defense is not the long term answer either at 30yo. So, if you want to start the young guns and see what they got and can do ya might as well throw in Jonathan Crompton at QB who's only 24. Lets see what he's got in order to decide if we definitly have to draft a QB next yr.[/quote]

I hate getting lumped in with "fans". Fact of the matter is (regardless of my avatar sig) I would support Grossman if he is in, and Beck if he is in. Neither is a top 10 qb, and each gives some positives the other doesn't have. The one difference, is we don't know that Beck can be a starter or backup. Rex is a definitely a quality back up. Since this is the 2nd year in what should be a 3 year plan, as I see it, and next year we will bring in the "true qb", it's more important to me at this point, without entirely giving up on catching lightning in a bottle, that we know who will be the 2nd string qb next year, and if we can count on any of these young receivers to step into a spotlight role.

As for TO and bringing in a vet presence, well Gaffney clearly can be that player, he is a aged vet with apparently good locker room skills, and a good attitude. Moss isn't on IR so he is going to be in the meetings, working with the young WR's, and hopefully encouraging them. Honestly I could see this being a great opportunity for him to step up and be a serious mentor especially to TA (I think) who has said often that he wants to model himself after Santana.

Rex is Rex, Beck is Beck, neither are awesomeness incarnate.

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[quote=freddyg12;852137]Can't agree w/much of your evaluation of Beck's game. His stat line of 1 interception is appropriate, since he got away w/one & then the one he threw was debatable as to whose fault it was. It evens out. F. Davis said a couple last week were his fault, but Rex had a couple that were dropped v. Philly, don't forget that.

Sure Beck didn't make all the reads well, but he made plays moving in & out of the pocket that Rex is almost entirely incapable of. He didn't lose this game & yes, he did have a few big drops by recievers that could've made it a different game.

I saw a QB sunday that was a pretty big upgrade to what we had before. He'll have his bad games, he's not a great qb by any stretch, but he gives us more of a chance to win.[/quote]

We definitly watched two different games. The only difference I witnessed was Beck's mobility which was not on display for the INT, almost INT, and fumble. He was in the pocket. Just like Grossman was for his mistakes.