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[quote=Ruhskins;860437]Tebow would be an excellent H-back. As good as his final drive was last night, it just shows that he is not going to be a bonafide NFL QB if he can't pass with some accuracy.[/quote]

Yeah he needs a ton of work with his fundamentals, not sure if he can ever be a decent enough pocket passer. He just doesn't seem natural or fluid at all in the pocket.

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I personally love Tebow. I am not a Gators fan (I bleed Blue and Gold when my Burgundy runs out!) and I am not a very religious person. I like him because everything I hear about him makes him seem like a young kid who has made good life decisions and worked his tail off for everything he has in his life. The year of the Quarterback special with him was awesome to watch and really made me want to route for him.

Having said that I dont think he can be a long term answer at QB. H-back maybe. However he has the size 6'3 245, the speed and certainly the intensity to get on the field somewhere right?

I know this is stupid to even say but I would love to see what would happen if someone moves him move to the defensive side of the ball and play some ILB. He could be the "quarterback" of the defense.

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[quote=Ruhskins;860426][B]Knowingly or unknowingly, John Fox has adjusted his entire scheme to fit Tim Tebow. [/B] This has led to a situation where the offense plays good enough to win games given the resurgence of their defense and special teams. So far this situation has worked as the team is 4-1 under Tebow.

[B]A lot of people here probably wish something like this would happen to our team. [/B]Using Joe Gibbs' favorite line during his second stint, Denver played their guts out. And while they may not make the playoff, is pretty refreshing to see them play like that.

People may be overreacting to Tebow. As I said earlier, if he doesn't learn to pass accurately he's going to be a gimmick QB and will not win many games that way. But right now he's doing enough to get Denver some Ws, and that's a hell of a lot better than what our team is doing.[/quote]

I agree with this.

Denver keeps winning with Tim Frickin' T-Bone yet we can't squeeze a win from Rex or Beck for weeks. There's something going on there beyond just the QB position. It's not as simple as T-Bone is much better than our guys; there's a coaching difference.

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I was thinking about the IT factor last night while watching the game, noting how Tebow's receivers seemed to be going all out to make catches on his horrible passes. The defense seemed to be playing with a lot of motivation... so here's the theory I came up with after a bottle of red:

What if the fact that they know he has a low ceiling as a traditional QB, means the players around him know the only way they win is if they are going all out on every play, because they as a team have zero margin for error. Unlike with a good qb, there is no room for complacency. Tebow's intangibles as a leader drive this motivation, which explains why you don't see similar motivation out of teams with say... John Beck/The Big Sexy at QB. The only thing I can think of similarly is how Favre's receivers used to go all out for him in big games... and yes, Favre used to be a great qb, but he was firmly in decline when he had some of his most memorable games (like the one after his dad died). I think the mystique of some players drives their teammates to work harder than others.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;860457]I was thinking about the IT factor last night while watching the game, noting how Tebow's receivers seemed to be going all out to make catches on his horrible passes. The defense seemed to be playing with a lot of motivation... so here's the theory I came up with after a bottle of red:

What if the fact that they know he has a low ceiling as a traditional QB, means the players around him know the only way they win is if they are going all out on every play, because they as a team have zero margin for error. Unlike with a good qb, there is no room for complacency. Tebow's intangibles as a leader drive this motivation, which explains why you don't see similar motivation out of teams with say... John Beck/The Big Sexy at QB. The only thing I can think of similarly is how Favre's receivers used to go all out for him in big games... and yes, Favre used to be a great qb, but he was firmly in decline when he had some of his most memorable games (like the one after his dad died). I think the mystique of some players drives their teammates to work harder than others.[/quote]

I agree with this. Sure Tebow's game fit the college game better, but there's a reason he won two national titles. His "it" factor or mystique or whatever you want to call it is through the roof.

But ultimately I agree with Matty- I don't know how long this experiment can last, and it will be really interesting to see how it plays out in Denver. They're going to ride this train until the wheels come off.

A side note here- Yes the Broncos offense played like crap for pretty much the entire game last night, and you can blame that on Tebow. But who is he surrounded by? Lance Ball? Donte Rosario? Eric Decker? Not exactly dynamic playmakers.

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[quote=GMScud;860462]I agree with this. Sure Tebow's game fit the college game better, but there's a reason he won two national titles. His "it" factor or mystique or whatever you want to call it is through the roof.

But ultimately I agree with Matty- I don't know how long this experiment can last, and it will be really interesting to see how it plays out in Denver. They're going to ride this train until the wheels come off.

A side note here- Yes the Broncos offense played like crap for pretty much the entire game last night, and you can blame that on Tebow. But who is he surrounded by? Lance Ball? Donte Rosario? Eric Decker? Not exactly dynamic playmakers.[/quote]

IMO, Tebow's accuracy cost them at least one big play(the one where Decker beat two Jets defenders. If Tebow improves his accuracy, the Denver offense will take off. I actually really like what I see in Tebow's game as a passer, except for the accuracy.

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You all know already how I feel about the notion that Tebow has a mythical quality that Kyle Orton doesn't to make his team play better. It's not that it's unreasonable to hypothesize such a thing, but it's not a good idea to start believing it. In three weeks, the Denver defense may not be playing so well, and if you have to keep explaining its performance in terms of Tebow, things will just get very confusing.

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Tebow is mechanically inconsistent right now in part, I believe, because Josh McDaniels screwed around with his throwing motion at the onset of last year and now that Tebow isn't getting the same coaching it has ensured his regression as a pocket passer. But the lesson I suppose is if coaching made him a decent thrower last year, then coaching can make him a decent thrower again.

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Tebow is fun to watch. But eventually your gonna have to throw the ball downfield to convert in this league.

The missed incut to the TE, i believe second quarter, was just unacceptable. NFL QB has to make that throw in their sleep. Stuff like that had me changing the channel. Logan Thomas on Va Tech last night was much more interesting the to watch. He had a similar throw to his TE for a td, more of an out.

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The thing I don't get though is how does that Denver defense and Von Miller barely get mentioned? I mean keep in mind they're winning low scoring games where both teams score under 20 points.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;860518]The thing I don't get though is how does that Denver defense and Von Miller barely get mentioned? I mean keep in mind they're winning low scoring games where both teams score under 20 points.[/quote]

It's all about Tebow, fair or not he's just a lightening rod for that stuff.

VM has gotten quite a bit of run this year. He's not exactly under the radar.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;860518]The thing I don't get though is how does that Denver defense and Von Miller barely get mentioned? I mean keep in mind they're winning low scoring games where both teams score under 20 points.[/quote]

Von Miller is a total beast! Great pick by Denver.

The media just can't stop blowing Tebow. It's so annoying. The guy can't even complete basic passes that college and high school qb's make. But when the game is on the line he seems to somehow deliver. I give this another few weeks. Denver can not keep winning games like this.

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[quote=skinsfan69;860522]Von Miller is a total beast! Great pick by Denver.

The media just can't stop blowing Tebow. It's so annoying. The guy can't even complete basic passes that college and high school qb's make. But when the game is on the line he seems to somehow deliver. I give this another few weeks. [B]Denver can not keep winning games like this[/B].[/quote]

I'll be shocked if they split their remaining six games. They'll win two at most.

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[quote=skinsfan69;860522]Von Miller is a total beast! Great pick by Denver.

The media just can't stop blowing Tebow. It's so annoying. The guy can't even complete basic passes that college and high school qb's make.[B] But when the game is on the line he seems to somehow deliver.[/B] I give this another few weeks. Denver can not keep winning games like this.[/quote]


Thats all that matters. But I still dont know what to think. I always thought he could be a nfl QB, but not like this.... i thought he was a much better "traditional qb" then people gave him credit for, even though hes getting it done im still way wrong.

Either way i think he is going to get a lot better. In the meantime GB^2 (God Bless & Go Broncos, for those that dont know)

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Tebow's play right now is basically the wildcat with a tad bit more accuracy (than let's say a RB throwing the ball). But just like the wildcat, teams will gameplan better and they will catch up to it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;860544]Tebow's play right now is basically the wildcat with a tad bit more accuracy (than let's say a RB throwing the ball). But just like the wildcat, teams will gameplan better and they will catch up to it.[/quote]

Yes sir, they will.

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Denver will win the West as I predicted in the preseason :-)

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[url=http://tebowing.com/]Tebowing[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;860583]Denver will win the West as I predicted in the preseason :-)[/quote]

Da Raidahs will not allow it. ;)

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[quote=Lotus;860555]Yes sir, they will.[/quote]

No, the wildcat never had Tesus.... That's one half Tebow, one half Jesus.

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By the way, am I the only one that picked up the fact that Tebow's celebration ended with his teammates piling up on him and knocking him to the ground...isn't that a penalty? Just saying.

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[quote=Ruhskins;860669]By the way, am I the only one that picked up the fact that Tebow's celebration ended with his teammates piling up on him and knocking him to the ground...isn't that a penalty? Just saying.[/quote]


....and you think candles on a birthday cake is a fire hazard. Party pooper!

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;860423]Because the Jets allowed them to hang around with their own shitty QB play. Why do fans always treasure somebody else trash?[/QUOTE]
The last Denver drive was 95 yards...95!

You are telling me that the "much heralded" Rex Ryan defense could not even stop the spread option? Or stop a QB whose accuracy is so bad that if he we're throwing from a boat he couldn't hit water?

My point is, there's a lot more wrong with the Jets then just the slow development (or dare I say, REGRESSION) of Sanchez. They are a team that has played in the last 2 conference championship games. The defense allowing a 95 yard drive in the final 2 minutes of a game is inexcusable.

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The league has caught up to ryans d in NY, Baltimore had ray Lewis and Ed reed BIG difference.. Yeah jets have revis but really who is that teams "great" LB or Pass Rusher?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;860673]The last Denver drive was 95 yards...95!

You are telling me that the "much heralded" Rex Ryan defense could not even stop the spread option? Or stop a QB whose accuracy is so bad that if he we're throwing from a boat he couldn't hit water?

My point is, there's a lot more wrong with the Jets then just the slow development (or dare I say, REGRESSION) of Sanchez. They are a team that has played in the last 2 conference championship games. The defense allowing a 95 yard drive in the final 2 minutes of a game is inexcusable.[/quote]

I didnt watch the game but I heard Cowturd say the jets played him different on the last drive then they had been playing him the whole game,basically they went into prevent defense mode and it backfired

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[quote=sandtrapjack;860673]The last Denver drive was 95 yards...95!

You are telling me that the "much heralded" Rex Ryan defense could not even stop the spread option? Or stop a QB whose accuracy is so bad that if he we're throwing from a boat he couldn't hit water?

My point is, there's a lot more wrong with the Jets then just the slow development (or dare I say, REGRESSION) of Sanchez. They are a team that has played in the last 2 conference championship games. The defense allowing a 95 yard drive in the final 2 minutes of a game is inexcusable.[/quote]


That "much heralded" defense is "much overrated". THAT has been the reason why I think the Jets have been a average team this year, and it's not because of their QB play (which is lacking). It's been their defense. That defense the past two years is nothing like the defense that is currently on the field. Losing Shaun Ellis was huge, and his production hasn't been replaced yet. They are giving up a average of 117 yards rushing per game with a 4.0 average per carry. That's not a good defense.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;860674]The league has caught up to ryans d in NY, Baltimore had ray Lewis and Ed reed BIG difference.. Yeah jets have revis but really who is that teams "great" LB or Pass Rusher?[/quote]


They lost their best pass rusher in Shaun Ellis (to the Pats), but I disagree with you that they lack a "great" LB. David Harris is a beast and one of the best linebackers in the AFC. The problem has been their defensive line. A good/great DL will make your linebackers into All-Pro. You mention Ray Lewis, but the key to the Ravens has and always will be their defensive line. Even dating back to when Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams anchored that line, they have been top notch since Ray Lewis has been there. Had RL played at Detroit, he most likely wouldn't be 1/2 the player he is today.

The Jets were this close to a safety on that drive but Royal slipped out if the tackle. And then Revis decided to play the part of a matador

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[quote=NC_Skins;860681]That "much heralded" defense is "much overrated". THAT has been the reason why I think the Jets have been a average team this year, and it's not because of their QB play (which is lacking). It's been their defense. That defense the past two years is nothing like the defense that is currently on the field. Losing Shaun Ellis was huge, and his production hasn't been replaced yet. They are giving up a average of 117 yards rushing per game with a 4.0 average per carry. That's not a good defense.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&season=2011&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url][/quote]
Losing Kris Jenkins also hurts.

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[quote=htownskinfan;860675]I didnt watch the game but I heard Cowturd say the jets played him different on the last drive then they had been playing him the whole game,basically they went into prevent defense mode and it backfired[/quote]

Indeed... If you get a chance to look at the replay, you will notice that the Jets had their nickel personnel on the field for just about every play of the final drive. That is one more DB and one less DL or LB on the field - - against a guy you would pray would spend the drive on pass plays.

Don't know who decided to do that - - Rex or the defensive coordinator - - but that decision came back to bite the Jets in the butt.

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[quote=SmootSmack;860685]The Jets were this close to a safety on that drive but Royal slipped out if the tackle. And then Revis decided to play the part of a matador[/quote]

Royal is very adept at doing that on that swing pass. Mike Shanahan exploited this skill of his at least once.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;860692]Losing Kris Jenkins also hurts.[/quote]

He wasn't really a factor in the 2010 and 2009 seasons. He played 1 game in 2010 and 6 in 2009 (Rex's first year), but he was beastly in 2008 though. Guy just couldn't really stay healthy, but he was good when he was in the game.

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Was just trolling a Eagles blog to laugh at the reactions to starting Vince Young when I looked over and noticed there links to various football subjects threads...You know what they call the Skins one: LOLRedskins. that sh*t pisses me off, tired of being the damn laughing stock of the league

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[quote=Chico23231;860701]Was just trolling a Eagles blog to laugh at the reactions to starting Vince Young when I looked over and noticed there links to various football subjects threads...You know what they call the Skins one: LOLRedskins. that sh*t pisses me off, tired of being the damn laughing stock of the league[/quote]

When Eagles' fans troll here they see their team called the Beagles.

When Cowboys' fans troll here they see their team called Cowpussies and Cowturds.

You get the idea.

If any of them are offended by that kind of name calling the advice we would give them is to stay away.

Perhaps that is good advice for you too?

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[quote=Chico23231;860701]Was just trolling a Eagles blog to laugh at the reactions to starting Vince Young when I looked over and noticed there links to various football subjects threads...You know what they call the Skins one: LOLRedskins. that sh*t pisses me off, tired of being the damn laughing stock of the league[/quote]

Eh, the Eagles are much of a laughing stock. Any realist fan knew that what is going on with was very much a possibility. Meanwhile the Eagles were buying a SB (sounds familiar?) and it blew up in their face big time.

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The skins are widely known for being a joke

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[quote=Ruhskins;860732]Eh, the Eagles are much of a laughing stock. Any realist fan knew that what is going on with was very much a possibility. Meanwhile the Eagles were buying a SB (sounds familiar?) and it blew up in their face big time.[/quote]

They are doing worse than we did. At least our "dream team" went 6-2 before collapsing. They started off bad, and might stay bad. :laughing-

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;860719]When Eagles' fans troll here they see their team called the Beagles.

When Cowboys' fans troll here they see their team called Cowpussies and Cowturds.

You get the idea.

If any of them are offended by that kind of name calling the advice we would give them is to stay away.

Perhaps that is good advice for you too?[/quote]

Im gud, Ill just keep doing what the f*ck i wanna do. Curmudgeon is an understatement.

It wasnt that i was offended, but somber realization. Most of there threads just clown Snyder, which is well deserved as his tenure as owner.

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Speaking of Jets.

[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7260763/at-least-75k-fine-likely-rex-ryan-new-york-jets-source-says]At least $75K fine likely for Rex Ryan of New York Jets, source says - ESPN New York[/url]


[quote]"Hey, Rex, Belichick is better than you," the fan screamed to Ryan, who was walking off the field and into the locker room tunnel with the rest of the team at MetLife Stadium.

"Shut the f--- up," Ryan yelled back to the fan, who isn't seen in the video.[/quote]

lulz :laughing-


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[quote=NC_Skins;860792]Speaking of Jets.

[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7260763/at-least-75k-fine-likely-rex-ryan-new-york-jets-source-says]At least $75K fine likely for Rex Ryan of New York Jets, source says - ESPN New York

[/quote]

He's just keeping it real. :cool-smil