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Is Rex's turnover streak and all time record?

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I didnt get to see the game.
Why didnt Helu play?
Royster got 132 yards?
Is he that good or are the Vikings that bad?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;870075]I didnt get to see the game.
Why didnt Helu play?
Royster got 132 yards?
Is he that good or are the Vikings that bad?[/quote]

I think Royster is that good, he has shown flashes in the other games.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870078]I think Royster is that good, he has shown flashes in the other games.[/quote]

Yeah they mentioned the Vikes top ten run defense. I think he's that good. A lot of his yards were second effort, breaking tackles, etc. today.

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[quote=mooby;870082]Yeah they mentioned the Vikes top ten run defense. I think he's that good. A lot of his yards were second effort, breaking tackles, etc. today.[/quote]
He had holes you could drive a 747 thru. With that said he still looked good. Torrain looked like crap, I am not sure what happened to him.

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How could the Redskins lose a game like this? The defense couldn't stop a back up quarterback and a reserve running back. Just pitiful.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;870095]How could the Redskins lose a game like this? The defense couldn't stop a back up quarterback and a reserve running back. Just pitiful.[/quote]

Right now I want to focus on the Redskins spoiling the Eagles playoff chances next week, that would be very sweet!!

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;870095]How could the Redskins lose a game like this? The defense couldn't stop a back up quarterback and a reserve running back. Just pitiful.[/QUOTE]

Skins have bad track records against rookies/reserves. That and why we can't get a qb are two of the great mysteries of the NFL.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870097]Right now I want to focus on the Redskins spoiling the Eagles playoff chances next week, that would be very sweet!![/quote]

Eagles were eliminated from the playoffs when the Giants won.

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Lots of talk about Rex blowing this game for us. True, his two turnovers didn't help, but the defense was horrific today. Just horrific. Got to put the blame more on the d then on Grossman's predictable inadequacies.

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Gerhart owns the Skins. Bad run defense, dumb penalties.

Nice game by Royster. For those asking, Helu was hurt.

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Skins need to aquire Joe Webb before the draft.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;870097]Right now I want to focus on the Redskins spoiling the Eagles playoff chances next week, that would be very sweet!![/QUOTE]

You'd like to, but you won't get to since the Eagles were eliminated since the Giants won.

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They should've got Ritchie to call the defense today cause Haslett didn't know what the hell was going on. Such an awful performance. Back up QB and RB and the Vikes still rolled our defense. When I see a game like today it makes me realize that this team still has a real long way to go.

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[quote=SmootSmack;870102]Gerhart owns the Skins. Bad run defense, dumb penalties.

Nice game by Royster. For those asking, Helu was hurt.[/quote]

man, i cant get over the defensive effort. that suckd

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Once again this team looked like it had never seen the option before. Not the first time that happened this season. It was completely obvious they were suprised by what Joe Webb and Toby Gerhart can do.

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[quote=skinsfan69;870110]They should've got Ritchie to call the defense today cause Haslett didn't know what the hell was going on. Such an awful performance. Back up QB and RB and the Vikes still rolled our defense. When I see a game like today it makes me realize that this team still has a real long way to go.[/quote]

Its wasn't Haslets fault the defense just got their ass ran over by Big Man Gerheart. He even showed som nice speed on that 60 yard run. Ok so we all agree that we need Dirty 30 back because he does bring the wood. Gomes gets out of positon to many times.

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[quote=mooby;870116]Once again this team looked like it had never seen the option before. Not the first time that happened this season. It was completely obvious they were suprised by what Joe Webb and Toby Gerhart can do.[/quote]

I have a new name for Webb: Tebowberger, cuz that's what he looked like out there today, a mix of Tebow and Roethlisberger.

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[quote=Coff;870101]Lots of talk about Rex blowing this game for us. True, his two turnovers didn't help, but the defense was horrific today. Just horrific. Got to put the blame more on the d then on Grossman's predictable inadequacies.[/quote]

^100% ...

Sick of the ignorance... rex gets us 21+ points and the d can't stop a snail... and it's rexs fault.. lol get a grip. The guy deserves less.blame than the d in.this one

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The Vikings obviously watched film of when the Redskins played Carolina. In order to execute that option play, they had to have seen Washington's inability to stop it against the Panthers. But....they didn't call the play until after Ponder was knocked out of the game.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;870211]The Vikings obviously watched film of when the Redskins played Carolina. In order to execute that option play, they had to have seen Washington's inability to stop it against the Panthers. But....they didn't call the play until after Ponder was knocked out of the game.[/quote]

Yep, like I mentioned in another thread, lack of adjustment against a scrambling QB, drives me ****ing nuts!!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;870214]Yep, like I mentioned in another thread, lack of adjustment against a scrambling QB, drives me ****ing nuts!![/quote]

There's only one way to contain a scrambling quarterback and it's spying him with an inside LB. Either Riley or Fletcher could have contained Webb yesterday, just like they could have spied Cam Newton earlier this season. When an NFL defense can't stop a college play like the old option play, then it falls on the defensive coordinator. After the defense saw the option the first time, Haslett should have had London Fletcher or Perry Riley spy the QB. That's how you stop that play. That's also how you keep a QB from killing you with his legs.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;870216]There's only one way to contain a scrambling quarterback and it's spying him with an inside LB. Either Riley or Fletcher could have contained Webb yesterday, just like they could have spied Cam Newton earlier this season. When an NFL defense can't stop a college play like the old option play, then it falls on the defensive coordinator. After the defense saw the option the first time, Haslett should have had London Fletcher or Perry Riley spy the QB. That's how you stop that play. That's also how you keep a QB from killing you with his legs.[/quote]

EXACTLY!! Just the way Ritchie Petitbone used to do with Randall Cunningham, he adjusted to the QB in place and did a masterful job of neutralizing it. Haslett has had two years to figure that out and not once has he done that, that's why I'm pissed. It's the same crap over and over with scrambling QB's.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;870216]There's only one way to contain a scrambling quarterback and it's spying him with an inside LB. Either Riley or Fletcher could have contained Webb yesterday, just like they could have spied Cam Newton earlier this season. When an NFL defense can't stop a college play like the old option play, then it falls on the defensive coordinator. After the defense saw the option the first time, Haslett should have had London Fletcher or Perry Riley spy the QB. That's how you stop that play. That's also how you keep a QB from killing you with his legs.[/quote]With a QB spy though, you have to be willing to rush just three guys at the quarterback and live with the consequences of that. And beyond that, that spy would have had to be Orakpo or Kerrigan because Fletcher and Riley already have man to man responsibility.

If our secondary had given up yards in chunks because we didn't want to get beat by Joe Webbs legs, then while you may be "forcing him to beat you with his arm", you are also putting an awful burden on your secondary to cover receivers for a length of time they aren't designed to do.

The QB spy is dump. Rush all four and trust them to not get owned by the opposing OL. Or if you can't keep Webb in the pocket rushing four, then bring the blitzes and try to end the play early. Don't spy him and make it easy on him simply because he has good legs.

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[quote=GTripp0012;870230]With a QB spy though, you have to be willing to rush just three guys at the quarterback and live with the consequences of that. And beyond that, that spy would have had to be Orakpo or Kerrigan because Fletcher and Riley already have man to man responsibility.

If our secondary had given up yards in chunks because we didn't want to get beat by Joe Webbs legs, then while you may be "forcing him to beat you with his arm", you are also putting an awful burden on your secondary to cover receivers for a length of time they aren't designed to do.

The QB spy is dump. Rush all four and trust them to not get owned by the opposing OL. Or if you can't keep Webb in the pocket rushing four, then bring the blitzes and try to end the play early. Don't spy him and make it easy on him simply because he has good legs.[/quote]

In a 3-4 defense, you are better off assigning one of the ILB to be a spy since he's in the center of the formation in front of the QB. If Haslett calls for Fletcher or Riley to spy, then he can only rush one OLB along with the front three. Either Orakpo or Kerrigan will drop back in coverage along with one of the inside linebackers. When spying, it would be better for the Redskins to play a soft zone coverage.

If Webb, Cam Newton, or Michael Vick decides to tuck the football and run, then Fletcher or Riley will be there to stop him. At best, or worst for the defense, the scrambling quarterback will only gain 1 or two yards at the most. They key would be for whichever inside linebacker to mirror the QB in every direction he goes when he drops back to pass. As mentioned above, Richie Pettibon did this all the time to Randall Cunningham and other QBs from his coaching era that liked to run with the football.

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Rightfully, I give Mike Shanahan a lot of crap for some consistently awful game management over the last two years. But I thought he did a really good job managing the game at the end to give the Redskins offense a shot to tie it up when they really weren't in position to get that opportunity. The Grossman INT and long return should have ended the game.

Kudos to Mike Shanahan for getting that last opportunity.

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Anyone else find it ironic that we honored Richie Petitbon at halftime? He was a guy who was so good at halftime adjustments. Now we have a DC who can't do it to save his life.

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[quote=GMScud;870323]Anyone else find it ironic that we honored Richie Petitbon at halftime? He was a guy who was so good at halftime adjustments. Now we have a DC who can't do it to save his life.[/quote]I think Jim Haslett is really good at halftime adjustments. If you just limited our defensive splits to the second half, we're a lot better in the last two years than whole games.

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[quote=GTripp0012;870325]I think Jim Haslett is really good at halftime adjustments. If you just limited our defensive splits to the second half, we're a lot better in the last two years than whole games.[/quote]

Really? Doesn't feel like. It always seems like we can't get stops late in the game when it counts.

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[quote=GMScud;870328]Really? Doesn't feel like. It always seems like we can't get stops late in the game when it counts.[/quote]It does still feel like that, but I don't think that's much of a reflection on what happened at halftime.

One thing I would point out here is that one of the reasons the Redskins never get blown out is because if they are trailing by more than a TD at half, the defense typically gets together and puts an end to it. We gave up 20 first half points to the Eagles this year at home and 42 last year. They combined for what, ten points in the second half?

The defense put us out of those games early, but certainly came back to battle in the second half.

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[quote=GTripp0012;870330]It does still feel like that, but I don't think that's much of a reflection on what happened at halftime.

One thing I would point out here is that one of the reasons the Redskins never get blown out is because if they are trailing by more than a TD at half, the defense typically gets together and puts an end to it. We gave up 20 first half points to the Eagles this year at home and 42 last year. They combined for what, ten points in the second half?

The defense put us out of those games early, but certainly came back to battle in the second half.[/quote]

Soooo, Haslett is good at adjusting at halftime, but terrible at game-planning during the week leading up to the game? I dunno....

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[quote=GMScud;870350]Soooo, Haslett is good at adjusting at halftime, but terrible at game-planning during the week leading up to the game? I dunno....[/quote]Something like that.

We're probably both overstating the role of coaching in the performance of the defense. It matters, but if Hall gets beat on third down because a third string receiver drove him off the ball came back and caught the pass, it's not Haslett's fault for putting him in that situation. If Doughty totally whiffs on a tackle near the LOS and the QB runs for a TD, it didn't happen because the Redskins were unclear on their option rules.

There are times I've felt like the Redskins are giving up plays in the first quarter that should have been taken away by the gameplan. But that's more of an observation than a criticism of the coaches.