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[quote=SmootSmack;870205]Well keep in mind who the Jets have added

[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7328592/tom-moore-new-york-jets-facility-rest-season]Tom Moore to be at New York Jets' facility rest of season - ESPN New York[/url][/quote]

Now you're starting to make sense.

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Indeed ^

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[quote=SmootSmack;869953]It's blasphemous I know. But I'd take Sanchez over RG3. Give me Bradford over both[/quote]Weird. Whatever happened to go big or go home?

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[quote=Defensewins;870146]It is clear we are in desperate need of a QB. A franchsie Qb. But I am not in favor of giving up a ton of draft picks/our future to get a particular media darling (Luck/RGIII).
In the end it is still a crap shot as to which of the Qb's will star.
I am not in favor of firing Shanahan only because I do not want to start all over again. Allen and Shanahan have done some mostly good FO work by improving our offensive line and tearing apart our defense and rebuliing it. They have made mistakes, Josh Wilson for Carlos Rodger for example. But nobody is perfect and all team make some mistakes.
We need to stay the course, let Allen/Shanahan finish what they started. At least one more year.
I feel we are one great QB, two good CB's, one RB and one WR away from being a playoff team. Compared to when Zorn left, that is not htat much. The teams ahead of us in our division Giants and Dallas are not that much better than us.
No need to blow everything up.[/quote]

We never would have gotten the Carlos Rogers in San Francisco even if we kept him. Why? Because he would have gotten a gigantic check and thus "confirm" that he had nothing significant to improve in his game.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;870262]We never would have gotten the Carlos Rogers in San Francisco even if we kept him. Why? Because he would have gotten a gigantic check and thus "confirm" that he had nothing significant to improve in his game.[/quote]

Thank You.

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Instead of starting a new thread:

Jay Glazer said that reportedly the asking price for Andrew Luck is going to be 3 first round picks. Would you do that? (Now 3 first rounders could be your 1st in 2012, 2014, 2016; it doesn't mean 2012,2013,2014)

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[quote=SmootSmack;869953]It's blasphemous I know. But I'd take Sanchez over RG3. Give me Bradford over both[/quote]
Why would you rather have Sanchez over RG3. From what I have seen he has all the tools and seems to be a very smart guy.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;870265]Instead of starting a new thread:

[B]Jay Glazer said that reportedly the asking price for Andrew Luck is going to be 3 first round picks. Would you do that?[/B] (Now 3 first rounders could be your 1st in 2012, 2014, 2016; it doesn't mean 2012,2013,2014)[/quote]

[B]Yes![/B] Andrew Luck is The Truth!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;870265]Instead of starting a new thread:

Jay Glazer said that reportedly the asking price for Andrew Luck is going to be 3 first round picks. Would you do that? (Now 3 first rounders could be your 1st in 2012, 2014, 2016; it doesn't mean 2012,2013,2014)[/quote]

You are switching 2012 1st round picks, so essentially 2 other 1st rounders.

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Start a different thread on what is Andrew Luck worth

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I'm really not a fan of Sanchez at all. But perhaps a change of scenery would do him good, and he's not as bad as some people make him out to be. But he's far from being an elite franchise QB too. I'd really have mixed feelings if we got him. I guess a lot would depend on what it would take to get him. Can we at least draft a guy to develop too??

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And now the indications of Manning being interested in joining the Jets

[url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7388974/new-york-jets-does-future-hold-mark-sanchez]New York Jets -- What does future hold for Mark Sanchez? - ESPN New York[/url]

Coming up soon, connecting Sanchez to the Redskins

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Dont want Sanchez at all as the long term answer. If he were to replace Rex as the stop gap until our rookie is ready then fine but i don't believe think he is a franchise QB.

The only veteran QB that could possibly become available that I would accept as a long term answer is Bradford.

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Sanchez and Bradford are within a year of each other in age, and if you throw Colt McCoy into that group, I think there's a pretty good chance that at least one of them becomes a solid starting quarterback (and I wouldn't be shocked if that guy is Sanchez).

I think it's very clear and obvious that McCoy is the best of the three, but you're still talking about three very limited pro quarterbacks. If you want a quarterback who might actually be able to lead us instead of leading him, I'd grab RG3 or Foles if possible. If not, I would try free agency. There's a pretty good class out there.

Mostly, this rumor seems well-intentioned, but more like the Redskins are just looking in the wrong place for a quarterback. I mean, we just tried the "buy low, unproven" route and got Grossman and Beck. I'd rather target someone with more upside than Sanchez/McCoy/Bradford.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;869938]I've been saying that this is a possibility for quiet some time; on this board too I believe. It does just make too much sense. There are so many if's and factors to this that I don't feeling like typing them all, but bottom line:

I do NOT want Mark Sanchez. This is what he's doing with Good WR's and a Great OL. Imagine him on our team...NO Thanks! If that we're the case, then yeah I actually may want Tannehill...[/quote]
Sanchez has a good running game and good wrs and still sucks. I don't want him no where near this team.

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GTripp, who has more upside than Colt, Sanchez, Bradford - Luck or RG3? We ain't getting neither my friend.

I think Bradford is the best of the three.

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Greg Cosell on Mark Sanchez:

[url=http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2011/12/26/cosell-talks-youre-seeing-the-real-mark-sanchez/]Cosell Talks: You’re Seeing the Real Mark Sanchez : NFL Films Blog[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;870295]GTripp, who has more upside than Colt, Sanchez, Bradford - Luck or RG3? We ain't getting neither my friend.

I think Bradford is the best of the three.[/quote]I'd say Bradford is probably the worst of those three. My whole thing with Bradford is that he seems to be getting held to a different standard. "He was really awesome in college in 2008" wouldn't fly as a defense for any other quarterback, but it's really where all the belief in Bradford is coming from.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't toss a fifth round pick for a 25 year old QB and try to ressurect his career, but Sam Bradford isn't showing up anywhere in Week 1 next year as a premier player. He's a project. He's young enough, but must be torn down and rebuilt back into the player he was in college. It can be done, but not quickly enough here to save Mike Shanahan's job. Bradford will not be here because of that.

Mark Sanchez isn't that far away from being a mid-level quality starter, but you know, neither is Rex Grossman. Sanchez is much younger, but we've put two (or three with Kyle) years into Rex Grossman. I'm not sure you'd give that up for a much younger version of Rex Grossman.

I still like Colt McCoy's upside. He was really effective as a vertical passer in 2010. He hasn't been good at it this year. I think getting McCoy out of the west coast offense could actually save his career. So I like his upside best of the three. Again, if you're giving up more than a fifth round pick, you're doing it wrong.

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[quote=GTripp0012;870296]Greg Cosell on Mark Sanchez:

[url=http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2011/12/26/cosell-talks-youre-seeing-the-real-mark-sanchez/]Cosell Talks: You’re Seeing the Real Mark Sanchez : NFL Films Blog[/url][/quote]

Good read.

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I agree with the few that are tired of the team picking up other teams trash. But.... I was one of the fans who didn't think Sanchez would pan out and he actually supprised me with how well he did with the Jets. Plus he's young still. My only concern is the Jets don't seem to be getting better each year and that could be any number of problems. Mostly probably injuries.

My concern is why can't the Skins ever pick up a young QB in the draft and develope him into a champion? I'd prefer someone who could be molded into the Skins scheme vs. having to re-train a QB and having to hear how the coaching staff has to get rid of bad habits (ie; McNabbs footwork).

When I think of P.Manning and a possible trade I cringe but again if we were to get him cheap from Indy and draft a QB who could learn under P.Manning would be awesome. I'd also expect the team to find a way to utilize his crazy play calls and crazy changing of play calls. That alone would be worth it's weight in gold. When we are ready to make a change to a younger QB, hopefully after a SB, then we could offer a coaching job to P.Manning in order to keep his skills with the team.

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This is not my worst nightmare, but it's on the list. Since I did not see McNabb's name in the thread, I can safely say that I prefer every QB mentioned in this thread ahead of Sanchez. New York papers have been running stories about how Sanchez has regressed this season and how Jets need to start over at QB position. Please do not encourage talk of Redskins becoming the Jets "dumping ground" for an over-hyped and over-valued QB.

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[quote=Landry44;870293]Sanchez has a good running game and good wrs and still sucks. I don't want him no where near this team.[/quote]

For some reason I thought he has done well in years past taking the team to the play offs, but this year I thought there were a few injuries to their WR's and they had to go with older vets for some reason. Also Sanchez I don't think is being used as he has in the past. I thought he scrambled more in past years which made him a threat as well to run the ball and this year I just haven't seen him running as much. No don't go off showing me stats ... I'm just saying I don't recall seeing him running as much as he has in the past.

I'm not a P.Manning fan, but I'll admit he's really good at confusing the defense. Something that would be invaluable to the Skins, possibly lead the team to a SB, and hopefully Manning would know he's to help develope our young QB for the future with an understanding we would want to retain him for a coaching job. I'd have to imagine he would be interested in becoming a coach down the road when he can't play anymore. Heck I'd hire him to be a coach now.

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Both Bradford and McCoy have major issues holding onto the ball while in the pocket, but if I had to choose one over the other and put him behind the Redskins offensive line, it would be Sam Bradford.

Colt McCoy is 6'1" and Sam Bradford is 6'4", that would be a huge difference playing in the NFC East where you'd face some of the more prolific pass rushers twice a year. Rex at 6'1" has also had his share of batted down passes playing in the NFC East And if I'm not mistaken, McNabb at 6'2" had some issues with getting balls batted down during his time here.

Looking at their respective stat lines over the first two years, the amount of time they've turned the ball over, their QB rating are nearly the same, both play for horrible teams, it's just really difficult to say who's definitively a "project" and who isn't. So I'd go with the guy more physically promising, a year younger, and has shown some flashes of being a quality NFL quarterback.

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[quote=12thMan;870308]Both Bradford and McCoy have major issues holding onto the ball while in the pocket, but if I had to choose one over the other and put him behind the Redskins offensive line, it would be Sam Bradford.

Colt McCoy is 6'1" and Sam Bradford is 6'4", that would be a huge difference playing in the NFC East where you'd face some of the more prolific pass rushers twice a year. Rex at 6'1" has also had his share of batted down passes playing in the NFC East And if I'm not mistaken, McNabb at 6'2" had some issues with getting balls batted down during his time here.

Looking at their respective stat lines over the first two years, the amount of time they've turned the ball over, their QB rating are nearly the same, both play for horrible teams, it's just really difficult to say who's definitively a "project" and who isn't. So I'd go with the guy more physically promising, a year younger, and has shown some flashes of being a quality NFL quarterback.[/quote]

I'd like to think some of what your concerned about could be fixed with better protection and giving the QB room to move around the pocket or rolling him out.

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[quote=12thMan;870308]Both Bradford and McCoy have major issues holding onto the ball while in the pocket, but if I had to choose one over the other and put him behind the Redskins offensive line, it would be Sam Bradford.

Colt McCoy is 6'1" and Sam Bradford is 6'4", that would be a huge difference playing in the NFC East where you'd face some of the more prolific pass rushers twice a year. Rex at 6'1" has also had his share of batted down passes playing in the NFC East And if I'm not mistaken, McNabb at 6'2" had some issues with getting balls batted down during his time here.

Looking at their respective stat lines over the first two years, the amount of time they've turned the ball over, their QB rating are nearly the same, both play for horrible teams, it's just really difficult to say who's definitively a "project" and who isn't. So I'd go with the guy more physically promising, a year younger, and has shown some flashes of being a quality NFL quarterback.[/quote]You know, that's a really good argument. I'd still go McCoy, but this is very well stated 12th.

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[quote=Mattyk;870278]I'm really not a fan of Sanchez at all. But perhaps a change of scenery would do him good, and he's not as bad as some people make him out to be. But he's far from being an elite franchise QB too. I'd really have mixed feelings if we got him. I guess a lot would depend on what it would take to get him. Can we at least draft a guy to develop too??[/quote]

I agree with this, but i think this 2nd round price tag being thrown around in this thread is to high. He has done nothing in his career to still be worth a #2. Maybe a #3...but that's about it.

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[quote=celts32;870313]I agree with this, but i think this 2nd round price tag being thrown around in this thread is to high. He has done nothing in his career to still be worth a #2. Maybe a #3...but that's about it.[/quote]I wouldn't be too troubled if the Redskins sent a third rounder for Mark Sanchez. I think that's probably not a great use of a third round pick, but you're getting more return on that pick than if you spent it on a quarterback in the third round. Mark Sanchez isn't a great QB, but I would take him rest of career over say, Terrelle Pryor (though I think it's close).

The biggest issue with Sanchez is this: he takes up $8.5 million of your 2012 salary cap, and it would be even worse if you extended him to save $4 million in cap dollars. So he's limiting your ability to use your cap room to improve in free agency, even at the cost of a third round pick.

If you think you can win in either 2012 or 2013 with Mark Sanchez at QB, then I would trade a third rounder for him. But if anyone thinks he's a long term answer, I disagree.

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In both cases of Manning & Sanchez, if their former teams can't find uses or success with them then why would Our Washington Redskins? I'll consider them options only if the prices are negligible.

Don't come to a dead end with these guys & expect that Our Skins will just swoop in to take them for premium prices.


I'd only entertain talking trade for a 5th round pick and below.

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[quote=Uncle Skins;870320]In both cases of Manning & Sanchez, if their former teams can't find uses or success with them then why would Our Washington Redskins? I'll consider them options only if the prices are negligible.

[B]Don't come to a dead end with these guys & expect that Our Skins will just swoop in to take them for premium prices[/B].


I'd only entertain talking trade for a 5th round pick and below.[/quote]

I agree with you on the 5th round pick,however the skins and Shanahan have shown the league over and over again they will overpay to get what they want.What did Shanny give up to get Mcnabb? A second and a 4th I think.I can easily seeing them giving up a 1st rounder to get Sanchez,hopefully theyve gotten smarter and they wont but it wouldnt surprise me

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I like Bradford, but must admit that he looks injury prone to me. I've seen tackles where his knees or ankles have been bent and twisted in ways that left me wondering if he could get up and continue. His rush awareness is such that you wonder if he is a serious injury waiting to happen. Seems a little bit like Rex in that rushers are on him before he realizes that he needs to react. Internal clock malfunctions frequently.

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[quote=SBXVII;870300]I agree with the few that are tired of the team picking up other teams trash. But.... I was one of the fans who didn't think Sanchez would pan out and he actually supprised me with how well he did with the Jets. Plus he's young still. My only concern is the Jets don't seem to be getting better each year and that could be any number of problems. Mostly probably injuries.

[B]My concern is why can't the Skins ever pick up a young QB in the draft and develope him into a champion? I'd prefer someone who could be molded into the Skins scheme vs. having to re-train a QB and having to hear how the coaching staff has to get rid of bad habits (ie; McNabbs footwork). [/B]

When I think of P.Manning and a possible trade I cringe but again if we were to get him cheap from Indy and draft a QB who could learn under P.Manning would be awesome. I'd also expect the team to find a way to utilize his crazy play calls and crazy changing of play calls. That alone would be worth it's weight in gold. When we are ready to make a change to a younger QB, hopefully after a SB, then we could offer a coaching job to P.Manning in order to keep his skills with the team.[/quote]

Cause our front office doesn't work that way. They always want the quick fix. They've gotten better lately but you know their going to go out and try and trade for someone. If it's Bradford then I'd be ok with it cause he's young and looks the part. He's an accurate passer. But if it's McCoy or Sanzhez then they've proven that they still don't have a clue.

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[quote=htownskinfan;870326]I agree with you on the 5th round pick,however the skins and Shanahan have shown the league over and over again they will overpay to get what they want.What did Shanny give up to get Mcnabb? A second and a 4th I think.I can easily seeing them giving up a 1st rounder to get Sanchez,hopefully theyve gotten smarter and they wont but it wouldnt surprise me[/quote]

How is one example "over and over"? And how often have we traded a first round pick in recent years. Plus Kolb was traded for a 2nd and a young starting DB, and hadn't accomplished anything really. Ditto similar situations for Whitehurst and Schaub. The rules are different when it comes to QB. Though it seems the less you've accomplished as an NFL QB, the more valuable you are.

I personally wouldn't be against a 3rd and conditional 2013 for Sanchez. Draft someone like Harnish or Moore late to be your long term project. Keep Rex as the veteran backup, if he stays

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"According to ESPN Stats & Information, Sanchez entered the day having completed just 10 passes more than 20 yards down field and was 4-of-24 when targeting Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress on deep passes."

piss poor

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[quote=Chico23231;870343]"According to ESPN Stats & Information, Sanchez entered the day having completed just 10 passes more than 20 yards down field and was 4-of-24 when targeting Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress on deep passes."

piss poor[/quote]

Holmes and Burress need to take some of the responsability here,both of them have drop many a ball thrown by Sanchez,Jets are finding out why the Giants did'nt bring him back.....runs crappy routes and drops as many as he catchs

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Hell no to Sanchez.

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[quote=SmootSmack;870340]How is one example "over and over"? And how often have we traded a first round pick in recent years. Plus Kolb was traded for a 2nd and a young starting DB, and hadn't accomplished anything really. Ditto similar situations for Whitehurst and Schaub. The rules are different when it comes to QB. Though it seems the less you've accomplished as an NFL QB, the more valuable you are.

I personally wouldn't be against a 3rd and conditional 2013 for Sanchez. Draft someone like Harnish or Moore late to be your long term project. Keep Rex as the veteran backup, if he stays[/quote]

I wasnt talking just draft picks,I'm talking about throwing big money at players too to get them here.The one example is just for Shanny,but the skins under Snyder have overpaid a number of free agents.My point being the skins will overpay to get what they want whether its draft picks or money

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The offenses Bradford and Sanchez are in are pretty weak from a coaching stand point. Some coaching from the Shannahan's would only improve there play.

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;870401]I wasnt talking just draft picks,I'm talking about throwing big money at players too to get them here.The one example is just for Shanny,but the skins under Snyder have overpaid a number of free agents.My point being the skins will overpay to get what they want whether its draft picks or money[/QUOTE]

It's been different under Allen and Shanahan. They don't sell the farm for free agents and they don't get bent over in trades like Vinny was famous for.


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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/27/report-gruden-preparing-to-return-to-coaching-in-2012/]Report: Gruden preparing to return to coaching in 2012 | ProFootballTalk[/url]

So here's the most fascinating thing about this rumor: Gruden was incredibly critical of Sam Bradford during the Monday night game two weeks ago, so far to the point where he irritated Jaws with his criticism. He also suggested that RG3 could be a St. Louis Ram. During the broadcast.

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so... is gruden STL bound?