Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

4 years 31 million for Lynch. Shouldn't be in the Redskins thread though.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;891889]4 years 31 million for Lynch. Shouldn't be in the Redskins thread though.[/quote]

Well lets put it this way. The Skins paid what seemed to be double that for the same production from Portis.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

I wouldn't be surprised if Vincent Jackson wants to re-sign with the Chargers, but yet wants to know for sure how many other NFL teams are willing to pay him more money than San Diego for his services. I'm sure Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen have their sights on Jackson as well as Garcon, and Colston as well.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

portis was a very good rb for many years

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

I had a dream we signed Jarvis Green. That was weird because everyone called it the greatest signing in history.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

I'd be surprised if VJax is in SD next year.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275ff73/article/browns-redskins-reportedly-have-limits-in-rg3-chase?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Browns, Redskins reportedly have limits in RG3 chase[/url]

Looks like Skins and Rams both want this settled before FA.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=rypper11;892203][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8275ff73/article/browns-redskins-reportedly-have-limits-in-rg3-chase?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Browns, Redskins reportedly have limits in RG3 chase[/url]

Looks like Skins and Rams both want this settled before FA.[/quote]i didn't get that from the article. i don't understand why they would settle before the draft

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

To me it seems as though this deal will wait until draft day or at least until some moves are made in FA to settle the field a little more. The Skins and the Browns have made their pre FA offers and the Rams have yet to accept any of them. This will play out later on down the road.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;892220]To me it seems as though this deal will wait until draft day or at least until some moves are made in FA to settle the field a little more. The Skins and the Browns have made their pre FA offers and the Rams have yet to accept any of them. This will play out later on down the road.[/quote]that's the angle i'm looking at. what are some other angles?

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=los panda;892205]i didn't get that from the article. i don't understand why they would settle before the draft[/quote]


Leverage. That's why. Once free agency hits, teams are going to come down from that NFL combine high and start thinking clearly. They'll go out and get somebody free agency and most likely resort to plan B provided that the Rams have turned down their initial offer. So what started out as a potential bidding war, ends up a one man party.


Dolphins offer X package. If they are turned down, they go onto plan B of Tannehill/FA veteran.

Browns offer Y package. If Rams turn them down, they go onto plan B of Flynn and keep picks.


Redskins offer Z package. If Rams turn them down, they go onto plan B of Manning/Cousins.

(I'm using the players above as examples, you can fill in your choice of person for each of the team provided)

So you can see how quickly your investment(draft pick) is devalued come free agency time. Teams aren't going to sit around and wait till the draft, and by then they'll have already moved on. Smoots already said he heard the Dolphins were out of the running.

The team that stands the most to gain in all this is the Vikings.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

i'm speaking on the rams point of view. why would the rams pull the trigger?

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=los panda;892293]i'm speaking on the rams point of view. why would the rams pull the trigger?[/quote]

I just explained why. What I wrote is the main reason why the Rams are better off trading the pick the exact moment of free agency. Come draft time, I imagine the teams looking for that draft pick will have already moved onto their second option. That would leave the Rams holding the bag. The only way that pick holds its value during free agency is if a team does absolutely nothing in regards to acquiring a QB.

That said, I imagine teams will be contacting the Vikings next to get a better deal.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

i can see the logic, but i don't see it working out that way

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=los panda;892293]i'm speaking on the rams point of view. why would the rams pull the trigger?[/quote]

The fewer suitors, the lower the price.. Supply/demand 101. If the Dolphins, Browns and Seahawks have a QB in free agency they won't be in play to trade up for Griffin. Knowing that they aren't bidding against anyone the Redskins won't up the ante, they can sit and wait the Rams to come down to their price (within reason).

Comparatively, now since all are in play the Rams can play offers against each other to raise the price. I tend to think it get done this weekend at a two 1sts, a third and fourth.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

if a team wants rg3 now, they will want him in april. if a team wants flynn now, they will get flynn in march. if a team wants manning now, they are foolish

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82762ece/article/super-bowls-just-arent-instantly-won-in-free-agency?module=HP11_cp]NFL.com news: Super Bowls just aren't instantly won in free agency[/url]


Every Single Skins fan who wants us to get this guy and that guy and that guy in FA MUST READ this Article!!!!

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=Paintrain;892301]The fewer suitors, the lower the price.. Supply/demand 101. If the Dolphins, Browns and Seahawks have a QB in free agency they won't be in play to trade up for Griffin. Knowing that they aren't bidding against anyone the Redskins won't up the ante, they can sit and wait the Rams to come down to their price (within reason).

Comparatively, now since all are in play the Rams can play offers against each other to raise the price. I tend to think it get done this weekend at a two 1sts, a third and fourth.[/quote]

The key player is Cleveland. If they decide to meet their need in FA instead of the draft, the value of the Rams pick drops to whatever the best offer we could/would make. So the Rams want the trade asap, while all the teams are in play. BUT it is a two sided deal, and the Skins/Browns/other potential buyers want to see how the competing buyers fill their need via FA. If the Browns sign Flynn, and the Skins sign Manning (for example), then the cost to Miami went down. None of the bidding teams are likely to buy the pick, before a real market for it has been set.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

For all intents and purposes the Browns are out...for now at least.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

And heres a Peyton link..
[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/40035/77/manning-season-picks-up]Manning season picks up - Football Daily Dose - Rotoworld.com[/url]

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

i'm not trying to sass anyone, this is a legitimate question: when is the last time picks were officially traded before the draft?

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;892305][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82762ece/article/super-bowls-just-arent-instantly-won-in-free-agency?module=HP11_cp]NFL.com news: Super Bowls just aren't instantly won in free agency[/url]


Every Single Skins fan who wants us to get this guy and that guy and that guy in FA MUST READ this Article!!!![/quote]

I think we're all well aware of the fact that free agency doesn't immediately equate to winning a Super Bowl but there has not been a Super Bowl won as of late without contributions of free agents. Just do it wisely instead of name shopping, which is how Shanny and Allen have done since coming to DC. Don't freak out if we bring in a VJax or someone with a big name/big contract.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=Paintrain;892330]I think we're all well aware of the fact that free agency doesn't immediately equate to winning a Super Bowl but there has not been a Super Bowl won as of late without contributions of free agents. Just do it wisely instead of name shopping, which is how Shanny and Allen have done since coming to DC. Don't freak out if we bring in a VJax or someone with a big name/big contract.[/quote]

Let me judge this sentence by sentence:

- I would like to think that but you'll find people on this board who still want to go out and get the big names

- I agree

- I won't freak out, but I don't think its the answer, and it can back fire and go under the 'dumb FA' signing column rather than the 'London Fletcher success' signing column

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;892334]Let me judge this sentence by sentence:

- I would like to think that but you'll find people on this board who still want to go out and get the big names

- I agree

- I won't freak out, but I don't think its the answer, and it can back fire and go under the 'dumb FA' signing column rather than the 'London Fletcher success' signing column[/quote]

I think very few people understand the concept of a balanced approach to offseason acquisitions. Meaning that you need to have a good draft and good FA signings. As always, people always want to go to the extremes, they think that we SOLELY focus on the draft w/o signing FAs, or the people that think we need to go after the big name free agent.

The way I see it, the Redskins have two options, in which they can have the balanced approach:

A.) Trade up for RG3, use the limited # of picks you have this draft, and use free agency.

B.) Sign Manning, possibly trade down and use your picks for this year, and maybe use free agency.

I don't think you can't go wrong with either of these approaches. Both have risks (as with everything) and both have a good probability of working out well.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

Wonder if we'd have any interest in Cortland Finnegan. Tennessee used the franchise tag on Michael Griffin and won't offer Finnegan a contract.

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/05/cortland-finnegan-titans-dont-want-me-i-dont-know-why/"]Cortland Finnegan: Titans don’t want me, I don’t know why | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=GMScud;892337]Wonder if we'd have any interest in Cortland Finnegan. Tennessee used the franchise tag on Michael Griffin and won't offer Finnegan a contract.

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/05/cortland-finnegan-titans-dont-want-me-i-dont-know-why/"]Cortland Finnegan: Titans don’t want me, I don’t know why | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]

I'd say it's worth an offer on our part. Can't be worse than what we have now.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=SkinzWin;892338]I'd say it's worth an offer on our part. Can't be worse than what we have now.[/quote]

I would wait for the Cowboys to overpay one of these guys first and sign the less expensive options...although I'd be curious to see if there is a true interest in CBs, given that we need to replace Landry (and I haven't seen anything in rumors about us wanting a CB).

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

we need to sign either him or carr, a safety and receiver and maybe an olinemen.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;892340]we need to sign either him or carr, a safety and receiver and maybe an olinemen.[/quote]

I don't see us signing a #1 WR and a #1 CB at the same time, especially when we need a starting Strong Safety. I mean we could sign a #1 guy at each of those positions, but then we'd be this year's Iggles. Personally, I see the priority as:

- #1 WR (esp since MS said so)
- A strong safety
- A right tackle
- CB depth (unless we get a cheap starter)

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

I would think that CB depth might be a draft priority. The WR question is one that I feel would be best approached in FA, just due to the number of quality guys out there, guys that could become our best option the moment they are signed. If we have learned anything the past two seasons tho, is that our FO is way more frugal than the previous, but I guess that is stating the obvious. I hope we pick up a #1 WR and add young CB depth thru the draft.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=Ruhskins;892343]I don't see us signing a #1 WR and a #1 CB at the same time, especially when we need a starting Strong Safety. I mean we could sign a #1 guy at each of those positions, but then we'd be this year's Iggles. Personally, I see the priority as:

- #1 WR (esp since MS said so)
- A strong safety
- A right tackle
- CB depth (unless we get a cheap starter)[/quote]

I agree but i like the cb pool much better than the safety pool, i really was hoping branch or griffin wouldnt get tagged but they did, not sure who we would have interest in. that being said we need someone i dont want gomes as a starter

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;892346]I agree but i like the cb pool much better than the safety pool, i really was hoping branch or griffin wouldnt get tagged but they did, not sure who we would have interest in. that being said we need someone i dont want gomes as a starter[/quote]

I agree that the CB pool is much better, but still the safety position is the bigger need...unless Haslett really likes Gomes as the starting SS. I'd rather get a starting-caliber SS than paying for Carr or Finnegan.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=Ruhskins;892347]I agree that the CB pool is much better, but still the safety position is the bigger need...unless Haslett really likes Gomes as the starting SS. I'd rather get a starting-caliber SS than paying for Carr or Finnegan.[/quote]

What safeties are out there in FA though? Tyvon Branch and Michael Griffin both got tagged.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=Ruhskins;892347]I agree that the CB pool is much better, but still the safety position is the bigger need...unless Haslett really likes Gomes as the starting SS. I'd rather get a starting-caliber SS than paying for Carr or Finnegan.[/quote]

yea but there aren't any anymore left that i would want, that I know of. i really just hope we bring back Landry. safety is important in our defense

Dallas will make a play for finnegan and nicks from what I've heard

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=GMScud;892351]What safeties are out there in FA though? Tyvon Branch and Michael Griffin both got tagged.[/quote]

Not many options...

Reggie Nelson is a name I recognize, Brandon Meriweather as well. Older guys like Brodney Pool and Madieu Williams are also UFAs. I am not saying we should get these guys, but they are the ones I recognize. Looks like we may need to gamble with Gomes, unless they get Laron somehow...which I doubt it.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=GMScud;892351]What safeties are out there in FA though? Tyvon Branch and Michael Griffin both got tagged.[/quote][url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak_E9cWbxU3HdFhUOVFCU1ZobUVJcUNhYUNTQ1dLcHc#gid=0[/url]

Over one tab.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=GTripp0012;892375][URL]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak_E9cWbxU3HdFhUOVFCU1ZobUVJcUNhYUNTQ1dLcHc#gid=0[/URL]

Over one tab.[/quote]

Nice, thanks. Thomas DeCoud is interesting....

Oh, and btw, your spreadsheet is off on his age. He doesn't turn 27 until next week... :cheeky-sm

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=GMScud;892383]Nice, thanks. Thomas DeCoud is interesting....

Oh, and btw, your spreadsheet is off on his age. He doesn't turn 27 until next week... :cheeky-sm[/quote]All ages are of Dec. 31, 2012.

Despite that, there's probably someone's age that I'm off on, somewhere.

Re: Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;892359]Dallas will make a play for finnegan and nicks from what I've heard[/quote]

I heard they going to push hard for Carr