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[quote=Monkeydad;908218]Looks like we're doing the right thing here...finally.

[IMG]http://nflredskins.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/426247_342451885777729_116476271708626_1160786_1702227764_n.jpg?w=620&h=637[/IMG][/quote]

Love this graphic! Hopefully, RGIII will be the first QB #2 pick to be Super Bowl MVP.

Stay away from QBs in the 6th round, huh?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;907582]I would with hold judgement until I see how RGIII's talents are utilized.[/quote]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say bootlegs, pa bootlegs, qb keeper bootlegs, stretch bootlegs, etc...

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[quote=GTripp0012;908338]When was the last time the Redskins were quarterbacked by a guy who wasn't picked in the first round? Brunell/Collins right? And before that, you have to go all the way back to Tony Banks.[/quote]

The last time was last season. John Beck is the answer. Beck was a second round draft selection. Before then it was Todd Collins and Mark Brunell. Traditionally, the Redskins haven't had a lot of quarterbacks drafted in the first round.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908362]The last time was last season. John Beck is the answer. Beck was a second round draft selection. Before then it was Todd Collins and Mark Brunell. Traditionally, [B]the Redskins haven't had a lot of quarterbacks drafted in the first round.[/B][/quote]

Jason Campbell? Rex Grossman? Patrick Ramsey? We've actually had at least one first round QB playing for much of the last decade.

GTripp is right. Super Bowls are won by first round QB's but not all first round QB's win Super Bowls.

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[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/RGIIIs-throw-vs-Oklahoma-More-than-impressive.html]RGIII's throw vs. Oklahoma? More than impressive | National Football Post[/url]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;908378][url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/RGIIIs-throw-vs-Oklahoma-More-than-impressive.html]RGIII's throw vs. Oklahoma? More than impressive | National Football Post[/url][/QUOTE]

Great play I was there and missed the catch because of some douchbag who spilled soda all over my jeans.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;908383]Great play I was there and missed the catch because of some douchbag who spilled soda all over my jeans.[/quote]

Wait...so Rod Gardner was at the game too?

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;908385]Wait...so Rod Gardner was at the game too?[/QUOTE]

lol possibly

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i am so excited for the draft. i still don't know how i'm going to watch it. i can't wait to see griffin run the single-wing

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[quote=los panda;908449]i am so excited for the draft. i still don't know how i'm going to watch it. i can't wait to see griffin run the single-wing[/quote]

Me and a friend are heading up to Fedex on Thursday as soon as I get off work, and we're also going back on Saturday too. I haven't been since the 2009 draft, should be a blast.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/38043/the-redskins-and-reasonable-expectations]The Redskins and reasonable expectations - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=mooby;908504]Me and a friend are heading up to Fedex on Thursday as soon as I get off work, and we're also going back on Saturday too. I haven't been since the 2009 draft, should be a blast.[/quote]

I'm jealous, can't be there for the DRAFT but will be there for a Open Training Camp.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;908505][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/38043/the-redskins-and-reasonable-expectations]The Redskins and reasonable expectations - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Pretty soft article, analysis wise. I was more stimulated reading the comments section where a fan tears Garcon apart for his drops and lousy route-running. Why are the various opinions about this Garcon kid so contradictory?

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Read enough fan comments and you'll think every player in the league sucks.

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[quote=Mattyk;908546]Read enough fan comments and you'll think every player in the league sucks.[/quote]

Sadly...so true Matty.

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[quote=The Goat;908541]Pretty soft article, analysis wise. I was more stimulated reading the comments section where a fan tears Garcon apart for his drops and lousy route-running. Why are the various opinions about this Garcon kid so contradictory?[/quote]

I thought the article was okay. I don't agree with the notion that our running game is THAT much of a question mark. I mean in the latter half of the season, teams were pretty much daring us to pass and would stack up the LOS. Yet still Helu had pretty decent numbers with three 100+ yd games at the end of the season.

If Helu was able to produce with no passing threat, I think he'll be more productive with a passing game that will at least keep the defense honest.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;908505][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/38043/the-redskins-and-reasonable-expectations]The Redskins and reasonable expectations - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

That was an intriguing article. The Redskins in my opinion played neck and neck with some pretty good teams last year and lost. Miami, Dallas twice, San Francisco, New England, and beat the Super Bowl champions twice during the regular season. But they also looked terrible in games against the Panthers, Eagles, and Bills. But the difference between winning and losing came down to the play at the QB position. Rex Grossman and John Beck were both a serious downgrade from Donovan McNabb. This is why I firmly believe RG3 can succeed as a rookie quarterback. Who would have though that the 49ers who finished 6-10 in 2010 would compete for an NFC title a year later? Unlikely things can happen in professional football. We'll just have to wait and see how good this Redskin team truly is.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;908546]Read enough fan comments and you'll think every player in the league sucks.[/QUOTE]



They do. Every last one of them sucks. What a bunch of suckers. I mean i've seen people suck before but those had to be the suckiest bunch of suckers whoever sucked.........................

..............................What were we talking about.

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[quote=Mattyk;908546]Read enough fan comments and you'll think every player in the league sucks.[/quote]

This^^^

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[quote=skinsfaninok;908505][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/38043/the-redskins-and-reasonable-expectations]The Redskins and reasonable expectations - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

The article said, "The 2012 Redskins are not as finished a product as the teams into which Sanchez and Flacco and Ryan were dropped."

I have to disagree a little about the Jets and a lot about the Falcons. Matty Ice arrived in the wake of the disaster left by Vick/Petrino. Those Falcons were hardly a "finished product."

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[quote=Ruhskins;908551]I thought the article was okay. I don't agree with the notion that our running game is THAT much of a question mark. I mean in the latter half of the season, teams were pretty much daring us to pass and would stack up the LOS. Yet still Helu had pretty decent numbers with three 100+ yd games at the end of the season.

If Helu was able to produce with no passing threat, I think he'll be more productive with a passing game that will at least keep the defense honest.[/quote]

Agree w/ this...I think the bigger question is how Kyle will balance run v pass?

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[quote=The Goat;908640]Agree w/ this...I think the bigger question is how Kyle will balance run v pass?[/quote]
Well, I think if the truth were known....sometimes he will call a pass play and sometimes he will call a run play......

[QUOTE=Hog1;908745]Well, I think if the truth were known....sometimes he will call a pass play and sometimes he will call a run play......[/QUOTE]

SHUTUP! You just gave away the gameplan!

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[quote=mooby;908759]SHUTUP! You just gave away the gameplan![/quote]

It's okay - he didn't tell them the part where sometimes we will run left and sometimes we will run right.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;908760]It's okay - he didn't tell them the part where sometimes we will run left and sometimes we will run right.[/QUOTE]

Ughhhhh! Do you guys want to share any more gameplan secrets?!

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828511d7/article/if-skins-pick-robert-griffin-iii-cowboys-plan-to-apply-pressure?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: If 'Skins pick Robert Griffin III, Cowboys plan to apply pressure[/url]

Even the cowgirls are preparing for Griffin...

Top 5Redskin super secret playbook plays:
5) on 1st down we will pass or run
4) if we take Griffin, we will run the bootleg
3) if we take Griffin, we will fake the bootleg
2) if we take Griffin, we will snap the ball to him
And the Number 1 super secret Redskin playbook play



4th and 10 from our 25, we are gonna punt.!!!!

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[quote=GridIron26;908902][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828511d7/article/if-skins-pick-robert-griffin-iii-cowboys-plan-to-apply-pressure?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: If 'Skins pick Robert Griffin III, Cowboys plan to apply pressure[/url]

Even the cowgirls are preparing for Griffin...[/quote]

It sounds like the Dallas Cowboys watched game tape of of Griffin III's final collegiate game against the Washington Huskies. The Huskies defense sacked RG3 4 times in that game but he still threw for over 300 yards and ran for over 100 more yards. RG3 will bring a whole new set of problems for NFL defenses. If Dallas brings pressure from the corner on the left or right, expect Griffin III to run in the opposite direction away from the blitzing corner. If they bring pressure up the middle with ILB Sean Lee, expect Griffin to allude the pressure by rolling to his left or right. Containing RG3 will be a monstrous chore for any NFL defense.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908910]It sounds like the Dallas Cowboys watched game tape of of Griffin III's final collegiate game against the Washington Huskies. The Huskies defense sacked RG3 4 times in that game but he still threw for over 300 yards and ran for over 100 more yards. RG3 will bring a whole new set of problems for NFL defenses. If Dallas brings pressure from the corner on the left or right, expect Griffin III to run in the opposite direction away from the blitzing corner. If they bring pressure up the middle with ILB Sean Lee, expect Griffin to allude the pressure by rolling to his left or right. Containing RG3 will be a monstrous chore for any NFL defense.[/quote]

biggest problem: what they going to do when he uses the pocket? how are they always going to defend the run, bootleg, deep-ball, over the middle combos? The answer is you can't.

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[quote=SkinItup;908923]biggest problem: what they going to do when he uses the pocket? how are they always going to defend the run, bootleg, deep-ball, over the middle combos? The answer is you can't.[/quote]

There are always ways to contain a quarterback. But blitzing RG3 could prove to be a mistake. If you look at most of Baylor's games, RG3 often beat the blitz when he was pressured. Kendall Wright and the other Baylor wide receivers had one on one match ups all season long. I do expect things to be a much more difficult for Griffin in the NFL. You can't blitz every QB. The only time when Tom Brady is sacked from off of a blitz is when he couldn't go anywhere with the football. But that rarely happens with Brady. Same thing with Aaron Rodgers. It was also difficult to sack John Elway because he could move around and riffle the ball down the field in just a matter of time. It will be the same thing with RG3.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908938]There are always ways to contain a quarterback. But blitzing RG3 could prove to be a mistake. If you look at most of Baylor's games, RG3 often beat the blitz when he was pressured. Kendall Wright and the other Baylor wide receivers had one on one match ups all season long. I do expect things to be a much more difficult for Griffin in the NFL. You can't blitz every QB. The only time when Tom Brady is sacked from off of a blitz is when he couldn't go anywhere with the football. But that rarely happens with Brady. Same thing with Aaron Rodgers. It was also difficult to sack John Elway because he could move around and riffle the ball down the field in just a matter of time. It will be the same thing with RG3.[/quote]

One of the great attributes that RGIII has that isn't being as frequently mentioned is his quick release so even under the pressure of the blitz, he will be able to get rid of the ball quicker than our recent QB. While there are definitely questions about our OL, better QB play, mobility and quicker decision-making/release will make our OL more productive. We should see our running game much more productive in terms of YPC and YPG even if Kyle stays with a 60-40 ratio (though likely it will be closer to 50-50 with a rookie QB).

I've been rewatching some of the Baylor games re-airing on ESPNU the past week and seeing Griffin over the span of a whole game it's exciting to see his playmaking ability flash on some plays and his overall even keel. None of the
defeated body language of J. Campbell or the ambivilence of Grossman. This kid is going to give us a whole new perspective on what it's like to have a franchise QB.

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Griffin's quick release is more a product of a short throwing motion than sheer arm strength like a Marino or Elway. Or it could be thought of as a different kind of strength, but I definitely don't think Griffin throws as quick as either HOFer.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;908909]Top 5Redskin super secret playbook plays:
5) on 1st down we will pass or run
4) if we take Griffin, we will run the bootleg
3) if we take Griffin, we will fake the bootleg
2) if we take Griffin, we will snap the ball to him
And the Number 1 super secret Redskin playbook play



4th and 10 from our 25, we are gonna punt.!!!![/quote]

Now that shit is funny....

Also... really , really.... "duh cowboys are gonna rush the qb" if we take RGIII. If we took some one else they wouldn't rush him?

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Did anyone see the Baylor-Oklahoma game last fall? The Sooners tried to pressure Griffin III, but to no avail. RG3 ended up completing over 80% of his passes in that game and ended up throwing for 479 yards. The blitz simply was in effective. It sounds like Rob Ryan has been talking up RG3 in Dallas. But Ryan better be aware...his defense could very well get scorched by RG3.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;908999]Did anyone see the Baylor-Oklahoma game last fall? The Sooners tried to pressure Griffin III, but to no avail. RG3 ended up completing over 80% of his passes in that game and ended up throwing for 479 yards. The blitz simply was in effective. It sounds like Rob Ryan has been talking up RG3 in Dallas. But Ryan better be aware...his defense could very well get scorched by RG3.[/quote]

You talk about the OU game and how amazing Robert played that game which brings me to my next question which I already feel like I'm answering as I'm typing this;

If RG3 were on Auburn in '10 and Cam were on Baylor in '11, who would be better. Or would they be the same? Would Cam win the Heismann still? Would Robert still win the Heismann? Would Robert win a national championship with Auburns defense? I'd be very curious if you flip-flopped the two of them.

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^ They both win the Heisman. Auburn wins the NC and Baylor goes 10-3.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;909004]You talk about the OU game and how amazing Robert played that game which brings me to my next question which I already feel like I'm answering as I'm typing this;

If RG3 were on Auburn in '10 and Cam were on Baylor in '11, who would be better. Or would they be the same? Would Cam win the Heismann still? Would Robert still win the Heismann? Would Robert win a national championship with Auburns defense? I'd be very curious if you flip-flopped the two of them.[/quote]

Cam Newton and RG3 would have been able to accomplish the same things if their roles were reversed.

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/18579954/rg3-a-redskin-baylorcowboys-fans-having-a-lot-of-trouble-with-the-idea]RG3 a Redskin? Baylor/Cowboys fans having (a lot of) trouble with the idea - NFL, NFLDRAFT - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;909013][url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/18579954/rg3-a-redskin-baylorcowboys-fans-having-a-lot-of-trouble-with-the-idea]RG3 a Redskin? Baylor/Cowboys fans having (a lot of) trouble with the idea - NFL, NFLDRAFT - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy[/url][/quote]

Interesting article. I wasn't born yet, but I wonder if Redskin fans were equally concerned with Navy Heisman Trophy winning quarterback Roger Starbauch being drafted by Dallas, knowing that Navy was in the area. At that time, I don't think Dallas was our arch rival as of yet.

And yes, I remember Ricky Thompson. He played WR for us in the late 1970s and early 1980s. His number was 83.

But anyway, I'm glad that Dallas Cowboy fans in Waco, Texas hate the idea of RG3 playing for the Redskins.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;909004]If RG3 were on Auburn in '10 and Cam were on Baylor in '11, who would be better. Or would they be the same? Would Cam win the Heismann still? Would Robert still win the Heismann? Would Robert win a national championship with Auburns defense? I'd be very curious if you flip-flopped the two of them.[/quote]I don't know how to answer those questions above.
But between Cam and Griffin I think Cam was the better prospect.
Cam is alot like Griffin except bigger.

That Auburn team net-net had less talent then the Baylor team.
o I can't recall any good draftable OL, the Panthers either drafted late or UDFA signed an Auburn OL but I doubt that happens without Cam.

o Cam's best receiver was Darvin Adams and IIRC Adams went undrafted?

o And Auburn was heavily dependent on Cam's ability to run the ball to generate and sustain there offense.