Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;918738]Royster has the best vision of the three. I mean, I probably didn't see enough Royster to conclude that unconditionally, but Hightower really leaves a lot of yards out on the field and I don't feel Helu is blessed with great vision, at least based on what he displayed as a rookie. You'd want to put Helu in the open field and let his elusiveness take over rather than asking him to find the open field himself.

I'd still say Helu is the best of the three by a considerable amount (for all the talk about how Hightower is an excellent pass protector -- and he is -- Helu was almost as good by the end of the season), but he isn't blessed with that great vision, and if the offensive line were to become one of the five best in football, it'd be Royster who would pick up the most yards behind that group.

Here's why Helu is so critical: those bootlegs that Kyle is practicing with RG3 just won't be that effective against NFL defenses unless: he's willing to put Helu at tailback on up to 75% of run down snaps, and then give him the ball on the stretch run a steady diet. It's too easy to cheat on the bootleg (and get free shots on RG3) if you know it's coming and you're simply not worried about the stretch run to the frontside.

So while it seems like Griffin will be deadly on boots, if Kyle just sends Hightower out there every first and ten for every first quarter of the game, and then fakes it to him on boot action, RG3 isn't going to even get out of the backfield after the second game of the season. Teams know that you can stop Hightower on the stretch run with seven guys. So then there's always going to be an unblocked defender (strong safety or slot back typically) clean through to Griffin.

In the past, Kyle hasn't been good about getting his best backs into the game on first and ten. That's four years running now. For Griffin to be at his most dangerous, that needs to change this year. Helu must dominate early down snaps in the first half of games.[/quote]

Solid stuff here. Kyle's scheme/playcalling is my biggest offensive concern for this season, even bigger than the situation at OT.

I mean our hope really has to be Griffin perfectly fits the scheme AND Kyle's play-calling improves by at least 50% (example: he goes from calling the right play about 33% of the time to around 50%).

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=The Goat;918838]Solid stuff here. Kyle's scheme/playcalling is my biggest offensive concern for this season, even bigger than the situation at OT.

I mean our hope really has to be Griffin perfectly fits the scheme AND Kyle's play-calling improves by at least 50% (example: he goes from calling the right play about 33% of the time to around 50%).[/quote]I don't understand this notion of the 'right' playcall.
Nor the idea that you can quantify Kyle's or any coaches number of 'right' playcalls especially by percentages.
Does Kyle need to improve? Sure.

But, if there's one thing I feel fairly certain about it Griff's fit in this offense though.

I feel less confident about Helu/Royster/Hightower getting more then 400 carries this season.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

I also think that Helu's draft position will give him a slight advantage over Royster. Its a pretty good position to be in when both of your top running backs show as much promise as do Helu and Royster, but combined, they dont even count 1 million against our cap this year. I would like to think that both of them would get good carries, but one of them would clearly pull ahead by the end of the season as the #1 back. It gives us some value when looking at trades for future draft picks, as well as players, not that we are going to go that route by any means, just saying that the perceived value will be there should they both perform well.

[QUOTE=Mechanix544;918851]I also think that Helu's draft position will give him a slight advantage over Royster. Its a pretty good position to be in when both of your top running backs show as much promise as do Helu and Royster, but combined, they dont even count 1 million against our cap this year. I would like to think that both of them would get good carries, but one of them would clearly pull ahead by the end of the season as the #1 back. It gives us some value when looking at trades for future draft picks, as well as players, not that we are going to go that route by any means, just saying that the perceived value will be there should they both perform well.[/QUOTE]

That's a great point about their cap numbers. As much as I like a ray rice Peterson, or forte they bring too much drama and too large a percentage of cap.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=VegasSkinsFan;918852]That's a great point about their cap numbers. As much as I like a ray rice Peterson, or forte they bring too much drama and too large a percentage of cap.[/quote]If we're being realistic.
We hope one or both of them emerges as a RB of Peterson, Ray-Rice or Forte's caliber.
If and when they do reach that level of production Helu and Royster will rightly desire that level of compensation.

[QUOTE=30gut;918853]If we're being realistic.
We hope one or both of them emerges as a RB of Peterson, Ray-Rice or Forte's caliber.
If and when they do reach that level of production Helu and Royster will rightly desire that level of compensation.[/QUOTE]

I really don't want the club to have that model. I would much rather have a packers/patriots model where our cap dollars go more towards the QB and receivers and the online that gives th protection.. Of course I want our RBs to be the best in the league, I just don't want to wind up handcuffed by them in the future regarding salary cap. I find it embarrassing for the bears forte released a video of himself sled running to get a better contract.

RBs get hurt too often and are too easily replaceable to tie cap dollars to.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=VegasSkinsFan;918855]I really don't want the club to have that model.[/quote]I don't understand what you mean by 'that' model?

Those teams are just lucky enough to have elite talent at the RB position.
None of those teams (Vikings,Bears especially) really has a good OL yet those backs make those running games very good.
They have the type of RBs that can [I][B]carry[/B][/I] an offense.
And those backs are rare.
You can throw Arian Foster in the mix too.

The irony of your theory is that in [I][U]our[/U][/I] offense (when ran correctly) is driven by the running game.
For all the talk of Elway/Shanahan success [I]Terrell Davis[/I] was the engine behind that offense the same way that Arian Foster/Ben Tate are the engine behind the Texan's offense.

[quote]I would much rather have a packers/patriots model where our cap dollars go more towards the QB and receivers and the online that gives th protection..[/quote]Lets not forget that the Packers made Ryan Grant a rich man and Patriots paid Corey Dillon to fuel their Superbowl run/victory.


[quote]Of course I want our RBs to be the best in the league, I just don't want to wind up handcuffed by them in the future regarding salary cap. I find it embarrassing for the bears forte released a video of himself sled running to get a better contract.[/quote]Well if our RBs become the best in the league we're gonna have to pay them market value or watch them walk, its just how the league works.
I don't think the Bears mismanagement is an example of how to run a franachise.
I'm embarrassed for the Bears that they're making they're best player go through this.
Forte's situation is a prime example of why a player shouldn't play under a bad contract in the hope of signing a "good faith" deal in the future. (which is what he did last year)
The Bears offense [I][was[/B][/I] Cutler and Forte and without them they cannot/ did not win.

[quote]RBs get hurt too often and are too easily replaceable to tie cap dollars to.[/quote]That seems to be the prevailing thought these days.
But football is a game of attrition, players are gonna get hurt regardless of position (QBs, RBs, WRs) happens every year.
I would agree that non-elite RBs are easily replaceable but so are most non-elite players.
But, an elite RB is just as irreplaceable as any other elite player.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

-VegasSkinsFan
btw from the OP:
[QUOTE=30gut;917278]Between Roy Helu, Tim Hightower and Evan Royster we have 3 RBs capable of 100 yard production.

What do you think of each RBs style and which do you like the best?[/QUOTE]

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=30gut;918848]I don't understand this notion of the 'right' playcall.
Nor the idea that you can quantify Kyle's or any coaches number of 'right' playcalls especially by percentages.
Does Kyle need to improve? Sure.

But, if there's one thing I feel fairly certain about it Griff's fit in this offense though.

I feel less confident about Helu/Royster/Hightower getting more then 400 carries this season.[/quote]

Well, the "right" playcall could best be described as one taking the defense by surprise and/or exploiting the D's scheme and positioning. I think Kyle, on average, has gotten it right so far about a third of the time. To begin, he's been pass-heavy (about 60/40 I believe) even though we didn't have the personnel, namely a solid passer, to justify a lopsided air attack. The ratio should have been flipped toward a running game, which btw is what Mike's offense would have looked like.

Second, Kyle's choice of run and pass plays has been quite poor. Most games he sticks to just a few run plays, and if they aren't working he abandons the run quickly. Even more bizarre in some games he abandoned the run even when it was working...? And his air attack mostly relies on the passer leading his target to be effective, again despite the fact we haven't had a passer capable of doing just that very well.

You can certainly make the argument Griffin will fit Kyle's system perfectly, but that doesn't mean it's the perfect system. Savvy?

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=The Goat;918901] Well, the "right" playcall could best be described as one taking the defense by surprise and/or exploiting the D's scheme and positioning. I think Kyle, on average, has gotten it right so far about a third of the time.[/quote]I disagree with how you characterize the 'right' playcall and the idea that you can qauntify the number of 'right' playcalls vs 'wrong' playcalls.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that part...

[quote=The Goat;918901] To begin, he's been pass-heavy (about 60/40 I believe) even though we didn't have the personnel, namely a solid passer, to justify a lopsided air attack. The ratio should have been flipped toward a running game, which btw is what Mike's offense would have looked like.[/quote]Agree 100%.

[quote]Second, Kyle's choice of run and pass plays has been quite poor. Most games he sticks to just a few run plays, and if they aren't working he abandons the run quickly. Even more bizarre in some games he abandoned the run even when it was working...? And his air attack mostly relies on the passer leading his target to be effective, again despite the fact we haven't had a passer capable of doing just that very well.[/quote]I agree and have echoed your sentiments here for awhile I started a thread that chronicles Kyle's pass 1st nature:

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/44367-a-pass-1st-offense-weekly-lament-4.html[/url]

I've been saying that Kyle's running game lacked diversity and commitment.
Both traits are decidedly [I]atypical [/I]for this offense (Texans/Houston) and for Mike Shanahan himself.

E.g. lack of diversity:
o didn't start running the toss/pitch play til Week 12 (IIRC) yet the toss/pitch has been a staple of this offense going back to Terrell Davis in Denver.

o didn't use the trap very much all year except for the Cardinals game (maybe its because Kory was usually the pulling guard on there plays?)
click on this video and witness the successful use of the inside trap w/ Kory as the pulling guard:
[url=http://s532.photobucket.com/albums/ee321/Txredskins44/Cardinals%20vs%20Redskins%202011/?action=view&current=RoyHelusRuns.mp4]Cardinals vs Redskins 2011 :: RoyHelusRuns.mp4 video by Txredskins44 - Photobucket[/url]

[quote]You can certainly make the argument Griffin will fit Kyle's system perfectly, but that doesn't mean it's the perfect system. Savvy?[/quote]We're getting waaaaayyyy off topic, but your above statement is patently obvious to the extent that I don't even know why you posted it because I've never expressed the idea that Kyle's system was anywhere close to being a perfect system.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

I have to go with Royster as my favorite back, at least right now. The guy has decent speed and can plow people over, let alone has GREAT cuts.

Helu is nice as well, very similar, but for some reason I feel he runs out of steam much much faster than Royster does, and he can't take the hits nearly as well (not saying he goes down easy because he doesn't).

Hightower I'm really not so sure he fits in the system. He looked great in preseason last year, but during regular season the production wasn't that great IMO.

Coming into the season I have to think the lineup would be Royster, Helu and Hightower, but I wouldn't leave the 6th round pick, Alfred Morris, from FAU to steal a spot in training camp or later in the season. He reminds me A LOT of Walter Payton and when I interviewed him last night, he compared himself to him a lot.

Either way, I think we're good at the RB position.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

Woah, Walter Payton?
I remember Walter Payton.
That self given comparison is gonna rub some of the older fellas the wrong way.
Nothing against the Morris, don't know him from Joe on the street.
And I understand feeling confident, and he might really feel he is similar to Walter Payton.
But, if you have an avenue, please pass this along from an idiot fan on an interent forum:
comparing yourself to Walter Payton is something you think not say

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=InsaneBoost;918907]...[Royster] can plow people over, let alone has GREAT cuts.

Helu is nice as well, very similar, but for some reason I feel he runs out of steam much much faster than Royster does, and he can't take the hits nearly as well (not saying he goes down easy because he doesn't).[/quote]Hmmmnnn, never saw Royster as a plow people over type at all.

Couple of questions to understand your viewpoint:

When you say runs out of stem you mean over the course of a game or during a long run?

What do mean by 'taking hits'?

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

I actually think Royster and Helu are pretty close style-wise when it comes down too it. Helu is obviously quicker and faster. Royster is better finding cutback lanes, catching the ball and I think his stamina is better. We need both to be successful.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

Why/how does Royster (who's never had over 20 carries) have more stamina?
How/why does Royster have better hands?

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=30gut;918911]Hmmmnnn, never saw Royster as a plow people over type at all.

Couple of questions to understand your viewpoint:

When you say runs out of stem you mean over the course of a game or during a long run?

What do mean by 'taking hits'?[/quote]

I don't want to give the image off that Royster can run anyone over, but he's not scared of lowering the shoulder, where I feel Helu, not scared, just doesn't do it. Goes down easier I suppose?

Runs out of steam on long runs. I think for the course of a game he's pretty consistent. It's like he can burst through the hole, but as the run goes on, he starts to slow down.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=30gut;918908]Woah, Walter Payton?
I remember Walter Payton.
That self given comparison is gonna rub some of the older fellas the wrong way.
Nothing against the Morris, don't know him from Joe on the street.
And I understand feeling confident, and he might really feel he is similar to Walter Payton.
But, if you have an avenue, please pass this along from an idiot fan on an interent forum:
comparing yourself to Walter Payton is something you think not say[/quote]

Believe me, I know it's a big comparison, but after watching tape on him, that's who he reminds me of, A LOT. Even after talking with him, he's a great guy like Walter, no cockiness, loves to talk and loves to work.

He had me talk to him on Sunday (Memorial Day Weekend keep in mind), because during the week he doesn't like to talk, he likes to stay focused on his work.

Don't get it as "I'm the next Walter Payton," he was just stating if he had to compare himself to an older player, it'd be Payton.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=InsaneBoost;918915]I don't want to give the image off that Royster can run anyone over, but he's not scared of lowering the shoulder, where I feel Helu, not scared, just doesn't do it. Goes down easier I suppose?[/quote]Then we really see them differently.
I don't see Helu as a back that goes down easily at all.
To my eye he's both willing and has demonstrated the ability to run through contact.
I thought this trait would be evident on film.*shrugs*

[quote]Runs out of steam on long runs. I think for the course of a game he's pretty consistent. It's like he can burst through the hole, but as the run goes on, he starts to slow down.[/quote]Hmmnn, didn't see this either.

But, to each their own, I like all 3 backs, if I had to pick a lead back I would go with Helu, I like Royster as a change of pace
And I think Hightower gets a bad rap based on his YPC more then his ability if you watch him on film the talent is there

Either way we got 3 good ones (provided THT is 100%)
-HTTR

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=InsaneBoost;918916]Believe me, I know it's a big comparison....Don't get it as "I'm the next Walter Payton," he was just stating if he had to compare himself to an older player, it'd be Payton.[/quote]Hey to each their own, but I'm not quite sure you realize how outlandish that comparison is to an entire generation of football fans...
SMH Walter Payton? [I]Barry Sanders[/I] even blushed at being compared to Sweetness maybe I'm just getting old.....

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

I understand what you're saying, and maybe I'm just being blind, but I think he has a similar running style to what Payton had.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=InsaneBoost;918923]I understand what you're saying, and maybe I'm just being blind, but I think he has a similar running style to what Payton had.[/quote]Its one thing for you to think it; its quite another:

[quote=InsaneBoost;918907]...[Morris]he compared himself to [Walter Payton]him a lot....[/quote]
these might play better:
he looks up to or patterns his style after or speaks with reverence about or tries to emulate etc...

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

Well I'm sure that's what he meant.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=30gut;918914]Why/how does Royster (who's never had over 20 carries) have more stamina?
How/why does Royster have better hands?[/quote]

3-G-Mafia, im not basing all my info on their style their Rookie year campaign. Im looking and remembering what I saw in college. Their style didnt develop in a one year time. Penn State is up the road and saw alot of Royster, Helu was maybe the best player on the field when they played Va Tech senior year. It would make sense that Shanny would get backs with similar styles to fit his zone system.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=InsaneBoost;918925]Well I'm sure that's what he meant.[/quote]That might be what he meant but its not what you said that he said.
And comparing oneself [I]to[/I] Walter Payton and admiring/emulating Walter Payton are worlds apart in meaning.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

I'll get you the exact quote if you'd like. Let me pull up the audio a little later tonight.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=InsaneBoost;918930]I'll get you the exact quote if you'd like. Let me pull up the audio a little later tonight.[/quote]
I was responding to what you said that he said.
If that isn't what he said, great I'll take you at your word.
But, the gensis of this conversation was:
[quote=InsaneBoost;918907]He reminds me A LOT of Walter Payton and when I interviewed him last night,[I][B] he compared himself to him a lot[/B][/I].[/quote]
If he didn't say the above then disregard my response to it.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

From what I gathered from the interview, Morris said he IS Walter Payton reincarnated. So we should be set from a RB standpoint this year.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

he does seem to enjoy contact
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/47608-alfred-morris-pick-6-3-a-2.html#post913690[/url]

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

Well I haven't heard this particular interview, but I have heard Morris in the past say he likes to emulate Payton's attack the defender, don't shy away from contact, no-nonsense approach to football.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=30gut;918932]If he didn't say the above then disregard my response to it.[/quote]

I didn't mean throughout the interview he was comparing himself to Walter Payton numerous times, and that may be my fault for trying to explain short. I don't mind posting the quote though, as long as it helps.

Give me a minute to skim through / type it out.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

Here you go.

[quote]I'm more of a hybrid back, I have speed, but I will run someone over, whatever it takes to get those yards. Clinton Portis was a great back, but if I had to compare my game to anybody it would have to be an old school back, probably Walter Payton if anybody because he more so than anyone, not just when it came to blocking, but also running, was not afraid of contact, he loved it.

Just watching his clips, he refused to go down, which is the same mindset that I have. I refuse to go down, refuse to let one man tackle me, if you're going to tackle me, it's going to take you and a couple of your teammates. I guess because I'm not hitting anymore (he used to play LB) I like to do the hitting.[/quote]

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=30gut;918928]That might be what he meant but its not what you said that he said.
And comparing oneself [I]to[/I] Walter Payton and admiring/emulating Walter Payton are worlds apart in meaning.[/quote]

Take it easy, Francis...

[QUOTE=30gut;918856]I don't understand what you mean by 'that' model?

Those teams are just lucky enough to have elite talent at the RB position.
None of those teams (Vikings,Bears especially) really has a good OL yet those backs make those running games very good.
They have the type of RBs that can [I][B]carry[/B][/I] an offense.
And those backs are rare.
You can throw Arian Foster in the mix too.

The irony of your theory is that in [I][U]our[/U][/I] offense (when ran correctly) is driven by the running game.
For all the talk of Elway/Shanahan success [I]Terrell Davis[/I] was the engine behind that offense the same way that Arian Foster/Ben Tate are the engine behind the Texan's offense.

Lets not forget that the Packers made Ryan Grant a rich man and Patriots paid Corey Dillon to fuel their Superbowl run/victory.


Well if our RBs become the best in the league we're gonna have to pay them market value or watch them walk, its just how the league works.
I don't think the Bears mismanagement is an example of how to run a franachise.
I'm embarrassed for the Bears that they're making they're best player go through this.
Forte's situation is a prime example of why a player shouldn't play under a bad contract in the hope of signing a "good faith" deal in the future. (which is what he did last year)
The Bears offense [I][was[/B][/I] Cutler and Forte and without them they cannot/ did not win.

That seems to be the prevailing thought these days.
But football is a game of attrition, players are gonna get hurt regardless of position (QBs, RBs, WRs) happens every year.
I would agree that non-elite RBs are easily replaceable but so are most non-elite players.
But, an elite RB is just as irreplaceable as any other elite player.[/QUOTE]

This is where we disagree. In my opinion using a first round draft pick and then having close to 10 percent of your cap go to a running back is not a good business model for today's nfl. I would much rather have our situation of having multiple average or slightly above average backs that don't break the bank. If helu turns out to be Barry sanders I would rather trade him than pay top dollar for the position.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=The Goat;918942]Take it easy, Francis...[/quote]
Me? I'm easy like sunday morning.
What's got you in a tizzy?

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=VegasSkinsFan;918945]This is where we disagree. In my opinion using a first round draft pick and then having close to 10 percent of your cap go to a running back is not a good business model for today's nfl.[/quote]Neither Forte, Rice nor Foster were 1st round backs.
As far as cap space goes it is what it is you're gonna have to pay about market value for elite talent.
That's just the way the league works.
Also, I don't think there is a set 'model' that teams follow.
Team cannot predict what a player will become they have to be able to adjust their evaluations against the player's actual performance.
E.g. the Texans didn't draft/sign Foster with the intent to pay him X amount dollars.
Foster's [I]performance[/I] dictated his contract.


[quote]I would much rather have our situation of having multiple average or slightly above average backs that don't break the bank.[/quote]Its gonna be tough to hide talent.
If Helu and Royster turn out to be average to slighty above average backs; Allen is gonna have to pay them based on their production or let them walk, there's no way around that.
*our contract situation with our RBs is only sustainable if we find late round RBs that can be equally productive as Helu/Royster at least every other year

[quote]If helu turns out to be Barry sanders I would rather trade him than pay top dollar for the position[/quote]Wow, your statement is a prime example how people have completely bought into this whole 'devaluation' of the RB position.
If Helu turns out to be Barry Sanders and a GM trades him that GM better win at least 1 Superbowl with those picks.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=VegasSkinsFan;918945]This is where we disagree. In my opinion using a first round draft pick and then having close to 10 percent of your cap go to a running back is not a good business model for today's nfl. I would much rather have our situation of having multiple average or slightly above average backs that don't break the bank. [B]If helu turns out to be Barry sanders I would rather trade him than pay top dollar for the position[/B].[/quote]

ummm no. He is a hall of fame back, one of the greatest all time. You cant trade away HOF talent, you pay him and build your team around him. I rather have RG3 = Elway than Helu = Barry Sanders though...

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

Instead of claiming Tashard Choice from off of waivers last year, the Redskins should have promoted Tristian Davis from the practice squad to the active roster.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;918955]ummm no. He is a hall of fame back, one of the greatest all time. You cant trade away HOF talent, you pay him and build your team around him. I rather have RG3 = Elway than Helu = Barry Sanders though...[/QUOTE]

Barry Sanders in one of my favorite players, but it's just not smart money to invest at the position while taking money off the table for other positions. As great as a running back is, they don't impact the game enough to make the position a priority.

Just food for thought but Jim Brown Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders are in most peoples top 5 RBs of all time. They have two championships between the three of them. Of the top ten rushers of all time only 2 have won multiple superbowls with half of them not winning any. Arian Foster is a great example of what I don't want. He wasn't a high draft choice (think he went Undrafted but could be wrong) and played at a pro bowl level. Now he just got a contract that pays him 30 mil in the first three years.

Here are my problems with this. Tate did a pretty damn good job in his absence, they couldn't resign Mario Williams, and finally I don't remember them being a Super Bowl contender when foster lead the league in rushing.

So let's say Helu plays his ass off and turns all pro. Awesome. When his contract is up let him walk or trade him. Let the recent contracts of Peterson and Johnson be cautionary tale of what we don't want. Everybody loves to talk about how being able to run an stop the run wins championships. That's a flat out myth. Being able to pass and stop the pass is what wins. That's been true since the Super Bowl era.

Re: A question of style: Evan, Roy or Tim?
 

[quote=VegasSkinsFan;919251]Just food for thought but Jim Brown Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders are in most peoples top 5 RBs of all time. They have two championships between the three of them.[/quote]they're my top 3 of all time, interesting thought. only sanders played in the modern free agency/salary cap days

For some statistical background on my statement about passing wins more so than running. I know some people are going I say that you need a running game to open up the passing game. To that I will ask you to prove it. Top three passing teams last year finished 6th, 20th, and 26th on rushing.

[url]http://www.thesportjournal.org/article/controlling-rushing-or-passing-game-key-nfl-victories[/url]

[url]http://www.advancednflstats.com/2010/08/passing-winning.html?m=1[/url]

[url]http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2012/01/2011-nfl-regular-season-wins-and-stat.html?m=1[/url]

[url]http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_5326_Winners_and_losers%3A_beauty_runs_stat_deep.html[/url]