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[quote=NC_Skins;919382][url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/may/31/hall-among-cornerbacks-learning-new-roles/]Hall among cornerbacks learning new roles - Washington Times[/url]

D-hall playing new position eh?[/quote]

Waterboy is apparently a difficult position to pick up...

In all seriousness, I'm sure our new DB coach has a very particular way he wants his DBs to play. If Morris can get more production out of a crappy secondary, I'll be thrilled.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;919380]All Garcon has done is gotten better since joining the league. Gaffney on the other hand needed injuries and a suspension to even get close to 1000 yards.[/quote]

If you keep talking about (Average Wideout On Tail End Of Career), you will just keep perpetuating the cycle. Only way to quell all discussion is to completely ignore anyone who willingly keeps mentioning his name.

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[quote=The Goat;919377]He proved he could be productive within our system/playbook even with an inferior QB. Garcon to his credit proved he could be productive within the Colts system/playbook with an inferior QB. But the odds are Gaffney would have a better 2012 w/ RGIII than Garcon because Garcon is brand new to the system/playbook.

[B]But most important is the near certainty that a superior WR, to Gaffney and Garcon, would be available by the 2013 season. [/B]So why bind yourself to Garcon, an unproven quantity, for one year (2012)? Gaffney would have been cheaper and more productive by all probability.[/quote]

Who? Who, by signing Garcon, are we unlikely to sign in 2013?

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This is reaching Offiss-Ramsey levels

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[quote=SmootSmack;919387]This is reaching Offiss-Ramsey levels[/quote]

He never got a fair shot!

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[quote=mooby;919389]He never got a fair shot![/quote]

lol ... thought about posting exactly the same thing. ... GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!

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[quote=mooby;919384]If you keep talking about (Average Wideout On Tail End Of Career), you will just keep perpetuating the cycle. Only way to quell all discussion is to completely ignore anyone who willingly keeps mentioning his name.[/quote]

Kneel before the walking Warpath God.

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[QUOTE=los panda;919241]moss' weight/shape and speed/quickness[/QUOTE]

Moss definitely has dropped weight and looks good, shape wise. As far as speed and quickness. His speed, long wise, isn't nearly as good as it used to be, but his quickness, as far as getting off the line / short routes reminds me A LOT of 2005.

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;919245]If Leribeus is still taking reps at center or if he has gone back to guard.[/QUOTE]

He worked at guard primarily, but he took some at center as well. They were shuffling the line a lot today. Right now I'd say the OL is going to be irrelevant till TC starts because their trying to find the right guys.

[QUOTE=30gut;919348]I have a ton of questions.
Some I won't bother asking (that I would like to ask via PM) because they're probably considered competitive advantage questions, . (i.e. how much shotgun did they use in practice? which formations do they use and how often etc...)
Enough preamble:

The OL:

Where is LeRib playing?
How is Jammal Brown looking? The very breif clip I saw of the OL/OTAs last week it looked like he was still limping.
Who is taking the back-up reps at RT/LT?
Which players are taking reps at Center besides Montgomery?
Does Chester take any reps at Center?
Is Kory Lichtensteiger out there yet?

Skill positions:

How many reps does Paul get at TE and with which unit?
Does Morris take any snaps at FB?
How does Cousins look compared to Rex?

DBs

Which Safeties are out there with the 1st unit?
Who is the 1st unit Nickleback/Slot DB?
Which unit and what spot is Keenan Robinson playing RILB or LILB?

DL

What DL unit (1st/2nd) and where does Jarvis Jenksins play (RDE/LDE)?
Does he take any snaps at NT?[/QUOTE]

I) Read above
II) He looks good and I saw no limping. Full go. Shanahan said he's the healestest he's been. Said Yogo and Pilates has helped. No setbacks or anything. Nothing close to a tweak.
III) Everybody right now, nothing is set.
IV) All, shuffling, the usual OTA stuff.
V) None that I can recall. He's more than likely going to be the starting RG with how he played last year.
VI) No, they're hoping he'll be ready for camp. Doubt he'll be out there for next weeks OTA's or Mini Camp

I) He's been out there with every unit, and he got A LOT of reps today.
II) I can't remember, he was taking snaps, I just can't remember where he was lined up. I can tell you he's real close with Young, so I would think FB may be in the talks.
III) I would say, honestly, Cousins could threaten Rex for #2.

I) They were switching around, but Meriweather was out there a significant amount of the time.
II) Everybody played there today, so I can't say.
III) He's playing with the reserves right now. He got a little bit of work with the #1's. He's playing Perry's spot, so would that be right? He made a nice play against Griffin by swatting the ball down.

I) Again, hard to say with how they're mixing everyone around. He was playing on both sides. It looks like they're going to be a rotating door to be honest.
II) I didn't notice him at NT, but I can't say it didn't happen.


As said, this is OTA's so nobody is really "set" in their position.

I can also tell you Cooley did lose weight, much thinner, but he is SLOW. I really don't see the guy making the team.

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^ Dude you are the freakin man. Thanks a ton. Good stuff about Jamal Brown, bad news bout Cooley.

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Thanks for the info Insane , nice work !

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I wonder if there is any possible way they can trade Cooley.

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[quote=Chico23231;919395]^ Dude you are the freakin man. Thanks a ton. Good stuff about Jamal Brown, bad news bout Cooley.[/quote]

Whats going on with Cooley?

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As to Cooley, speed was never his thing. I remember when he came out the knock on him was that he was considered to slow to get good separation. If he has slowed down even further, well, that's not good as he will be pretty much a non-factor in the passing game. Even though he is significantly lighter, if Paul can translate his open field WR blocking ability to being able to set the edge as a TE, I can see him replacing Cooley.

Love Captain Chaos - but, if he's got the slows, it just may be the end.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;919394]I can also tell you Cooley did lose weight, much thinner, but he is SLOW. I really don't see the guy making the team.[/quote]


Yeah, another "blogger" over on ES that was out at OTAs and this is what he had to say about Cooley.


[quote]Ok guys I promised I'd post what I saw at today's OTA so here goes. Cooley looks like he's in good shape guy looks skinny actually. He wasn't limping and was full go during team drills.

However, and this is going to sting so be ready- he has CLEARLY lost a step (or 5). Cooley was never a "fast" guy and today he looked flat out slow. But don't take my word for it everyone I was standing with from literally every media outlet said the same. Hes healthy but i wonder if he gets what little burst he had back.

Niles on the other hand looks great this early in transition (again dont take my word Shanahan confirmed when we talked to him during the presser). They want Niles to make an impact on the offense no doubt about it. Like I said in the write up he's getting the opportunity it's up to him now. [/quote]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;919400]As to Cooley, speed was never his thing. I remember when he came out the knock on him was that he was considered to slow to get good separation. If he has slowed down even further, well, that's not good as he will be pretty much a non-factor in the passing game. Even though he is significantly lighter, if Paul can translate his open field WR blocking ability to being able to set the edge as a TE, I can see him replacing Cooley.

Love Captain Chaos - but, if he's got the slows, it just may be the end.[/quote]

Cooley primary skill set was being able to find the spots in the zones and break tackles. He never outran anybody, nor did he burn people on 1 on 1 coverages. He'd just find that open spot in the zone, sit in it for the pass and then steam roll over kids for extra yards. If he's even slower than what he was, no bueno.

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Not sure why, but really hoping Paul is something special at TE.

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[quote=mbedner3420;919397]I wonder if there is any possible way they can trade Cooley.[/quote]

aging player, knee injury, slow, and big contract...probably not.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;919403]Not sure why, but really hoping Paul is something special at TE.[/quote]

I think he has the talent to actually surpass Fred Davis. He's already a better blocker and faster.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;919394]~everything included in the OTA recap[/quote]this beer is on me bro, thanks for the recap...[IMG]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQv05nEbHebikaPr246rubDvHXjCmpz4x902sBesd6twrLhmGxupw[/IMG]

oh...
[quote=InsaneBoost;919394] I would say, honestly, Cousins could threaten Rex for #2.[/quote]Don't play with my emotions, I want more then anything for Cousins to beat out Wrecks and make him go away (i'm fully aware the odds are slim)

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[quote=SmootSmack;919387]This is reaching Offiss-Ramsey levels[/quote]

lol

Oh man, remember those days?

And how CP was just a 3rd down back?

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[quote=NC_Skins;919405]I think he has the talent to actually surpass Fred Davis. He's already a better blocker and faster.[/quote]

Whoa, might want to pump the brakes just a tad.

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[quote=Mattyk;919409]Whoa, might want to pump the brakes just a tad.[/quote]

I didn't say he will, I just said he had the talent to surpass him. Both of what I've said is true. Paul is a better blocker. Paul is faster. That doesn't mean Paul will become a better TE.

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[quote=NC_Skins;919411]I didn't say he will, I just said he had the talent to surpass him. Both of what I've said is true. Paul is a better blocker. Paul is faster. That doesn't mean Paul will become a better TE.[/quote]Paul might be a better blocker in your opinion and that's fine.
But, he has yet to practice one live rep at TE.
Being a good blocker against DBs and the occasional LB is one thing.
Being an end of the line TE that can set the seal the edge in the running game and sometimes block DEs one-on-one is quite another ball of wax.
I'm hopeful for Paul's successful conversion too but imo he's unlikely to ever reach Davis blocking ability on the line much less surpass it.
And I doubt that's how they want to use him anyway.

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cooley always had borderline offensive tackle speed. his forte is, and always has been, finding holes in zones and breaking tackles

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sounds like if things stay the same, he might be a June cut?

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[quote=30gut;919416][B]But, he has yet to practice one live rep at TE.[/B]
Being a good blocker against DBs and the occasional LB is one thing.[/quote]

You do realize he played in the TE set at the end of last season right?

The additional size he's gained will help him tremendously with blocking bigger people. People forget he was in a run oriented offense at Nebraska.

Shanny had an exactly the same type of TE back when he was winning super bowls. His name was Shannon Sharpe.

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[quote=NC_Skins;919420]You do realize he played in the TE set at the end of last season right?

The additional size he's gained will help him tremendously with blocking bigger people. People forget he was in a run oriented offense at Nebraska.

Shanny had an exactly the same type of TE back when he was winning super bowls. His name was Shannon Sharpe.[/quote]Actually, I already knew that as a WR he played in some TE sets last year when Davis was suspended.
Yes, I realize that he's added some size and he's a good blocker for a WR.
Yes, I realize that he's roughly the same size/speed combo as Shannon Sharpe.
However none of it means that Paul is a better blocker then Fred Davis.

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[YT]cFFv45j_JjE[/YT]Had to post this.
At the end of the tape about the 2:20 mark, make it full screen to see better.
But, the QBs are throwing posts then corner routes side by side.
And you can really see the ball jump out of Griffin hands.
On the post route you can see Griff and Rex release the ball at the same time and Griff's ball hits the WR first.
Then on the corner route Rex releases his pass first but Griff's pass almost hits the WR at the same time as Rex.

I just love watching this kid throw the football.
(his motion reminds me of Ken Stabler, well if Stabler was right handed, which kinda makes sense because i read in an article that Stabler was one Griffin II's favorite QBs)
His throwing motion is so clean.
It just looks right, like most of the good ones the ball just looks right coming out of their hands.
Someone defined art as the proper making of a thing to be made.
Well to me Griff's throws are works of art.
I gonna have to limit my post about this kid before I start saying some of the crazy stuff I think about him.
I gotta get this one off my chest, the way the kids moves, the grace and balance of his footwork and movement reminds me of Joe Montana except....well....turbo.

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His arm is major league caliber no doubt

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[quote=30gut;919422]Actually, I already knew that as a WR he played in some TE sets last year when Davis was suspended.
Yes, I realize that he's added some size and he's a good blocker for a WR.
Yes, I realize that he's roughly the same size/speed combo as Shannon Sharpe.
However none of it means that Paul is a better blocker then Fred Davis.[/quote]

If Cooley's main weakness is his blocking, and he's a better blocker than Fred Davis, what does that tell you about Fred Davis?

I'm willing to bet you good money even right now that Paul is a better blocking TE than Fred Davis. Then again, it doesn't take much to be better than Davis in that area, but he isn't on the field b/c of his blocking. :)

I'm not making the claim he'll be starting by the end of the season. I merely said he has the talent to surpass FD and listed 2 areas he already does surpass him in.

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[quote=NC_Skins;919431]If Cooley's main weakness is his blocking, and he's a better blocker than Fred Davis, what does that tell you about Fred Davis?[/quote]I think your perception of Davis blocking is based on old labels from 2 years ago.
I've seen David seal the edge in the running game and block DEs.
Is Davis inconsistent? Sure.
Does he miss blocks sometimes, sure who doesn't.
I have yet to see Paul seal the edge on or block a DE one-on-one or combo block with a Trent Williams on the outside stretch.


[quote]I'm willing to bet you good money even right now that Paul is a better blocking TE than Fred Davis. Then again, it doesn't take much to be better than Davis in that area, but he isn't on the field b/c of his blocking. :)[/quote]I'm not sure how I would collect after I won.
But, I'm sure we could ask someone to ask one the Skins coaches or people close to team if Paul is a better blocker then Davis.

Davis plays alot of snap and the reason he can be on the field so much is because of his blocking, his blocking makes him a complete TE.
And being a complete TE is part of the reason Davis was franchised tagged.

[quote]I'm not making the claim he'll be starting by the end of the season. I merely said he has the talent to surpass FD and listed 2 areas he already does surpass him in.[/quote]I think Paul has the tools to be good movement/match-up receiving threat TE.
And I can't wait to see him in game action.
But, I can't see him becoming an true in-line TE because of his blocking.
But then again, why would you take a movement TE and make them an in-line TE?

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Some photos we took today:

Griffin III:
[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8006/7312351708_8f3618e8a9_z.jpg[/IMG]

Chris Cooley:
[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8005/7312351754_18747b9680_z.jpg[/IMG]

Alfred Morris:
[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7214/7312352680_75374be494_z.jpg[/IMG]

Adam Gettis:
[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8025/7312352588_721a4fa068_z.jpg[/IMG]

Santana Moss:
[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7080/7312352428_595bf5f701_z.jpg[/IMG]

Terrence Austin:
[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8017/7312352344_203fd165b4_z.jpg[/IMG]

Hightower, Austin, Morgan:
[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7216/7312352058_3d4feacdab_z.jpg[/IMG]

Pierre Garcon:
[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7221/7312351978_4d69981694_z.jpg[/IMG]

Kyle Shanahan and Robert Griffin III:
[IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8009/7312351910_06fbe5e4db_z.jpg[/IMG]

Tristan Davis:
[IMG]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7095/7312351822_2285198b9d_z.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=30gut;919433]I think your perception of Davis blocking is based on old labels from 2 years ago.
I've seen David seal the edge in the running game and block DEs.
Is Davis inconsistent? Sure.
Does he miss blocks sometimes, sure who doesn't.
I have yet to see Paul seal the edge on or block a DE one-on-one or combo block with a Trent Williams on the outside stretch.


I'm not sure how I would collect after I won.
But, I'm sure we could ask someone to ask one the Skins coaches or people close to team if Paul is a better blocker then Davis.

Davis plays alot of snap and the reason he can be on the field so much is because of his blocking, his blocking makes him a complete TE.
And being a complete TE is part of the reason Davis was franchised tagged.

I think Paul has the tools to be good movement/match-up receiving threat TE.
And I can't wait to see him in game action.
But, I can't see him becoming an true in-line TE because of his blocking.
But then again, why would you take a movement TE and make them an in-line TE?[/quote]

Indeed. The Redskins used Niles Paul very conservatively last year. He did a great deal of blocking even lining up at WR. If he does develop into a game breaking TE or even effective in the passing game, then it would be proven that moving him to TE was a good and right move. Until he packs on more muscle, Paul isn't going to be able to perpetually block DEs or OLBs. He should be primarily used in the passing game.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;919459][IMG]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8009/7312351910_06fbe5e4db_z.jpg[/IMG][/quote]looks like griff's sleeve rubbed off on bb

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[quote=los panda;919467]looks like griff's sleeve rubbed off on bb[/quote]

Please do remember bb is our option/wildcat QB.

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/redskins-confidential/2012/05/rg3-report/677031]RG3 report | Washington Examiner[/url]

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Thanks for posting the pictures insaneboost!

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I know Cooley looked bad early in OTAs, but dont expect him to go quietly. This guy is gonna fight for his spot.

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Nice pics boost. Thanks!

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Thanks Boost good stuff.