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See Kehl, Crawford, and Bernstine all had picks...thats pretty tight shit. man Crawford looks like a keeper

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[quote=Chico23231;935343]See Kehl, Crawford, and Bernstine all had picks...thats pretty tight shit. man Crawford looks like a keeper[/quote]

Looks like the last round of cuts are gonna be pretty hard to stomach then.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;935341]Is it too late to dump Paul and get Cooley back then? :)[/quote]

Told ya DR Cooley >Paul

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No FG try?

Dont know they couldnt just throw a screen pass to Banks instead of that sorry hand off.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;935341]Is it too late to dump Paul and get Cooley back then? :)[/quote]

They offered Cooley that role, he said no....

The good news is we seem to have several wide recievers i want to keep on this team and we are not going to be able to keep them all. The bad news - see the good news.

[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;935345]Told ya DR Cooley >Paul[/QUOTE]

Paul will never be what Chris Cooley was. The problem is that Chris Cooley will never be what Chris Cooley was.

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[quote=punch it in;935352]Paul will never be what Chris Cooley was. The problem is that Chris Cooley will never be what Chris Cooley was.[/quote]

Well said.

Time to move on.

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[quote=punch it in;935352]Paul will never be what Chris Cooley was. The problem is that Chris Cooley will never be what Chris Cooley was.[/quote]

Sad but true. I said in the definitive TE thread, that Cooley has been getting hammered so much on the field I don't think he has more than 3 years left. At least Paul is young and -maybe- his hands will get better (if his hands are even suspect at all. I didn't see tonight's game)

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[quote=Dirtbag59;935339]What about Niles Paul? I saw one comment earlier that confirmed my fears of him being unable to catch. I also see 1 catch and 3 targets on the stat line.[/quote]

I've seen Cooley drop more than his share of balls thrown to him, AND he also led all TEs in fumbles over his brief career.


Also, didn't we have this conversation last year about Hankerson?

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232 rushing yards? damn Oline must have had a decent night too. nice

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[quote=Mattyk;935326]Helu has been nursing two sore Achilles for a few weeks. Things are apparently looking much better for him now. Check Smoot's post above yours.

I guess you missed my post where I said we originally got TH for Vonnie Holliday and a 6th rounder. Nobody is going to give up a high pick for him a year later coming off a knee injury. The Lions may have a need, but they're not dumb.[/quote]

Hightower is better than anything they have though Matty. And the Lions need to have at least a decent running threat to keep the opposing Ds honest. I will backdown on the second rounder, but I still think a mid round pick is doable. Best is a bust straight up and Kevin Smith sucks. Do we really keep 4 Rbs? Helu, Royster, and now Morris show promise and are young. It is a shame if we just dumped TH, when we could get some pick for him. I know you think it will be a gamble on the Lions part, but they just do not have a running game to speak of. Hightower looked decent in his showing.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;935360]Do we really keep 4 Rbs?[/quote]

We may, considering royster and helu are barely healthy and Hightower fresh off acl injury.

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[quote=NC_Skins;935356]I've seen Cooley drop more than his share of balls thrown to him, AND he also led all TEs in fumbles over his brief career.


Also, didn't we have this conversation last year about Hankerson?[/quote]

I will be happy to be proven wrong on this. However from what I've seen myself and what I've heard from people who watched this last game it's not very promising for Niles Paul the receiving Tight End. Niles Paul the blocking tight end on the other hand apparently has some promise which is a moot point because while Niles Paul may turn out to be a very good blocking Tight End Logan Paulsen is considered to be a great blocking Tight End. (ie Niles is a B+ where as Paulsen is an A grade player when it comes to blocking).

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I could see them keeping five guys in the backfield. Shanny's RBs also tend to get hurt.

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Crawford looked good again tonight, they better keep him on the roster and not put him on the practice squad. Some decent receivers, Dline and LB's are going to get released.

On a good note, these backups looked incredibly well coached, they get it. Our depth is quite strong, haven't seen that in years. The heavy drafting is starting to pay off. Now we just need major playmakers in starting roles and shore up our Oline and secondary.

This team did not make many mental errors during preseason, that is a fantastic sign.
It will likely come down to who has more talent on game day, and we are still a bit behind with our starters. I can proudly say, we have a solid across the board foundation, finally....did you ever think we would have across the board depth a few years back when we didn't even have a GM?....good job Bruce Allen!!

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Desmond Briscoe doesn't sound too confident in his roster spot.

[QUOTE=skinsnut;935369]Crawford looked good again tonight, they better keep him on the roster and not put him on the practice squad. Some decent receivers, Dline and LB's are going to get released.

On a good note, these backups looked incredibly well coached, they get it. Our depth is quite strong, haven't seen that in years. The heavy drafting is starting to pay off. Now we just need major playmakers in starting roles and shore up our Oline and secondary.

This team did not make many mental errors during preseason, that is a fantastic sign.
It will likely come down to who has more talent on game day, and we are still a bit behind with our starters. I can proudly say, we have a solid across the board foundation, finally....did you ever think we would have across the board depth a few years back when we didn't even have a GM?....good job Bruce Allen!![/QUOTE]

Not that i dont agree but can we hold off on the celebrations and congratulations until we win more than five games? Remember the Osaka Bowl .....
Im not being a pessimist - i agree about the promise this team is beginning to have but im not going to jim zorn hip hip hooray bruce allen around town until it translates into wins - real wins.

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[quote=NC_Skins;935356]I've seen Cooley drop more than his share of balls thrown to him, AND he also led all TEs in fumbles over his brief career.


Also, didn't we have this conversation last year about Hankerson?[/quote]

Well Cooley is not a converted WR/experiment.

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man, i guess the bucs are going to be terrible this year. maybe their starters are a lot better than those guys, but once they get hurt... sad panda.

on the other hand, our depth looked pretty amazing tonight, especially the front 7.

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[quote=punch it in;935372]Not that i dont agree but can we hold off on the celebrations and congratulations until we win more than five games? Remember the Osaka Bowl .....
Im not being a pessimist - i agree about the promise this team is beginning to have but im not going to jim zorn hip hip hooray bruce allen around town until it translates into wins - real wins.[/quote]

Understandable, but as you have probably been a skins fan a long time, watching preseason games, etc...you know that 1's vs 1's is important to assess real issues that usually translate to the early regular season...however, the 2's have been looking much better than other teams 2's....now I'd prefer it the other way around...but i'll take it...because many times, todays 2s are tommorrows 1's (if they are just young, which they are)

My point is about depth. We are far less vunerable to injury now because the dropoff is less dramatic that it usually has been....and regarding Spurrier...he has his 1's against 2s and 3s...and the ones were guys like Danny Wuerfull, guys that no other team would carry. And Shannahan aint on rookie coach like him or Zorn...he has won Superbowls. Take a look at penalties...3?...really? for scrubs?...that is really outstanding, execution was there, I liked the way they ran at the end to get film on the linemen and the FB and to create cohesion. So I am not super excited, but after a preseason you can generally make a good guess of their record...this is a 6-10 or 7-9 team right now. We lack a solid secondary and a solid Oline. At least having one of those solid is essential for winning, unless you have a hall of fame QB or something, which we do not.

[QUOTE=skinsnut;935377]Understandable, but as you have probably been a skins fan a long time, watching preseason games, etc...you know that 1's vs 1's is important to assess real issues that usually translate to the early regular season...however, the 2's have been looking much better than other teams 2's....now I'd prefer it the other way around...but i'll take it...because many times, todays 2s are tommorrows 1's (if they are just young, which they are)

My point is about depth. We are far less vunerable to injury now because the dropoff is less dramatic that it usually has been....and regarding Spurrier...he has his 1's against 2s and 3s...and the ones were guys like Danny Wuerfull, guys that no other team would carry. And Shannahan aint on rookie coach like him or Zorn...he has won Superbowls. Take a look at penalties...3?...really? for scrubs?...that is really outstanding, execution was there, I liked the way they ran at the end to get film on the linemen and the FB and to create cohesion. So I am not super excited, but after a preseason you can generally make a good guess of their record...this is a 6-10 or 7-9 team right now. We lack a solid secondary and a solid Oline. At least having one of those solid is essential for winning, unless you have a hall of fame QB or something, which we do not.[/QUOTE]

Totally hear you man. Agree with every thing you say. My only concern about preseason is they got through it healthy. Our ones looked good against the colts but whose dont? Our ones did not look good against chicago. I hear you on depth and discipline. Im not calling you out for dreaming big - as a matter of fact i think you are selling us short on 6 or 7 wins. I could see this team winning anywhere from 4 to 12??? Really. So much depends on injuries or lack there of , etc. i think my reaction to your post was more of a " hey dont jinx us". Lol. Oh and as far as having a hall of fame qb - we might? :)

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We definitely have depth, the question is are our starters better than other teams starters? And we'll have to wait and see, but our 2nd and 3rd stringers looked great.

Crawford, glad he's healthy, he'll make the team. I think Armstrong will make the team. Aldrick either makes it, which means no Banks, which I'm perfectly fine with. Or doesn't make it and Banks is probably on the team which is an OSer.

Cundiff looked like, ...Cundiff. I'm excited to see this team week 1, but then again we did go 3-1 last preseason then started the season 3-1 and well we all know what happened from there.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;935383]We definitely have depth, the question is are our starters better than other teams starters? And we'll have to wait and see, but our 2nd and 3rd stringers looked great.

Crawford, glad he's healthy, he'll make the team. I think Armstrong will make the team. Aldrick either makes it, which means no Banks, which I'm perfectly fine with. Or doesn't make it and Banks is probably on the team which is an OSer.

Cundiff looked like, ...Cundiff. I'm excited to see this team week 1, but then again we did go 3-1 last preseason then started the season 3-1 and well we all know what happened from there.[/QUOTE]

I think our qb, rb's by committee, wr's , fred davis, and front seven are on par or better than alot of teams. Which leads us to oline and secondary. No big secret there. Hope they stay healthy and some of the young guns step up. What is an OSer?

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[quote=punch it in;935384]I think our qb, rb's by committee, wr's , fred davis, and front seven are on par or better than alot of teams. Which leads us to oline and secondary. No big secret there. Hope they stay healthy and some of the young guns step up. What is an OSer?[/quote]

Oh Sh#ter

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I've been pretty happy with the way the Skins have looked during the pre-season. Much happier with the direction the Skins are heading now compared to the past decade.

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[quote=skinsnut;935369]Crawford looked good again tonight, they better keep him on the roster and not put him on the practice squad. Some decent receivers, Dline and LB's are going to get released.

On a good note, these backups looked incredibly well coached, they get it. Our depth is quite strong, haven't seen that in years. The heavy drafting is starting to pay off. Now we just need major playmakers in starting roles and shore up our Oline and secondary.

This team did not make many mental errors during preseason, that is a fantastic sign.
It will likely come down to who has more talent on game day, and we are still a bit behind with our starters. I can proudly say, we have a solid across the board foundation, finally....did you ever think we would have across the board depth a few years back when we didn't even have a GM?....good job Bruce Allen!![/quote]

I think we have 4 RBs that can get the job done. They should all get snaps. We should be able to throw waves of fresh legs at teams all year long. RB by committee!

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I'm just going to be hyper-critical for a second and say Banks should have stayed on his feet on his long reception. Didn't see any reason for him to fall down and thought he could have gained more yards and maybe even took it to the house. There.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;935360]Hightower is better than anything they have though Matty. And the Lions need to have at least a decent running threat to keep the opposing Ds honest. I will backdown on the second rounder, but I still think a mid round pick is doable. Best is a bust straight up and Kevin Smith sucks. [B]Do we really keep 4 Rbs?[/B] Helu, Royster, and now Morris show promise and are young. It is a shame if we just dumped TH, when we could get some pick for him. I know you think it will be a gamble on the Lions part, but they just do not have a running game to speak of. Hightower looked decent in his showing.[/quote]

I think we do. Helu seems to be banged up a lot, Morris is a rookie, Hightower still isn't 100%.

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We keep 4. They've been reping Royster at FB in practice so they can keep 4 RBs. Helu isn't 100%. Who do we cut? All 4 would get picked up quickly. Even TH coming off the knee injury.

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And again I don't see how we cut Banks. Having that speed and play-making ability is just too valuable.

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[quote=FRPLG;935420]And again I don't see how we cut Banks. Having that speed and play-making ability is just too valuable.[/quote]

I'd like to see us keep him, but the numbers game at WR is going to be tough. I won't be surprised either way if we keep him or let him go.

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We cut Banks and someone else will snatch him up i na heart beat. Book it!

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[quote=Mattyk;935421]I'd like to see us keep him, but the numbers game at WR is going to be tough. I won't be surprised either way if we keep him or let him go.[/quote]

Yeah I agree. That's going to be the toughest decision on the team again this year.

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[quote=FRPLG;935420]And again I don't see how we cut Banks. Having that speed and play-making ability is just too valuable.[/quote]

Maybe when he was the only person with playmaker ability on the team. Yes, he has great speed and sometimes makes plays. He is also inconsistent.

Perhaps the coaching staff has seen enough of other players to believe that they offer a different both consistency and some playmaking ability than Banks.

Let's remember, Banks big plays came against a team with bad scrubs. His ability to make plays was last year and against non-scrubs competition this preseason was not so stellar. Essentially, he's a great player for a bad team, but an average player at best for a good team. I like the kid but just don't think he's all that when playing against the big boys.

He had his shot last year to be a difference maker and failed. What has he done this preseason that is any different than last year's preseason that would lead you to believe he will do better this regular season as opposed to last?

I like the kid, I believe he will be claimed immediately after being cut. I also believe, however, he will have a non-descript season. He is simply not the second coming of Devin Hester.

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I think after last night, Banks takes Robinson spot at WR.

WR:Garcon, Hank, Morgan, Moss, Briscoe, Banks

Hate to say it, but if we only take 3 RBs, think you gotta cut Hightower, he didnt look close to 100 last week. RB: Royster, Helu, Alfmo

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[quote=mredskins;935422]We cut Banks and someone else will snatch him up i na heart beat. Book it![/quote]

Let someone else waste a roster spot.

And before someone flips out and tells me how he caught a 46 yard pass and went for a 43 yard end around, let's all remember this was the fourth and least meaningful preseason game.

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Banks is going to be a though call. When playing against better players he did not perform. Last night he looked great but was playing against most uys that will not be playing in the NFL come Saturday.