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[quote=mredskins;941659]Mike Pereira, the ref guy for the league, showed how when Fisher challenged the Stephen Jackson play that not only was the red flag a 15 yard penalty, [B][I]since the challenge flag was thrown before the challenge was initiated upstairs the challenge is then disallowed and the call on the field must stand.[/I][/B] The call was fumble and we got the ball. Instead the Rams kept the ball and kicked the field goal... we lost by 3 points...[/quote]I'm not sure that's part of the rule.. So even if a call is wrong, because the coach throws the flag the play doesn't get reviewed? Doesn't seem like the league would do that on what would have been an automatic review anyways. The 15 yard penalty would be for unsportsmanlike conduct for the review flag.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;941675]
So spot on with the Banks thing. Dude acts like every run he does is so close to breaking free, but that's hardly the case. Not even close to breaking any.[/QUOTE]

True, every time he gets a chance I'm saying please don't fumble. Plus, on the last punt he ran 30 yards across the field to end up in the same place he received it. I say put Moss back there....

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[quote=mooby;941673]If he looked like he was giving a shit but we were still losing games in the fashion we lost yesterday would it actually make you feel better?[/quote]

yep.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;941658]I just think it was more poor defensive game planning and adjustments than Bradfords qb ability.[/quote]

I think football is a lot less simple than "if my team plays better they will win every game because everyone else sucks". Certainly not getting to him, and our secondary being very weak all played a hand in the loss. But they pay the other players too.

Look if you don't know what you're looking at maybe read up on the dude a little. His arm is very good, his accuracy is absolutely phenominal Drew Brees like, his release is quick like Peyton Manning quick, he's got okay pocket precence, and better than average mobility, he had a great rookie season, and a bad sophomore slump (with no one at all to throw to).

The real problem here is that Skins fans expect the Rams to be basement dwellers, and secretly think the Skins are playoff bound after the Saints game (who BTW are just not the same Saints, judging by their first two games)... Not knowing how much improved the Rams are and how much better coached, some of you feel like you just watched an "upset" of a bad team full of scrubs beating a good team...

What actually happened was a team with around the same amount of talent as the Skins, coming off a last moment loss they should have won, played a team that was coming off an emotional high of winning a game no one gave them a chance of winning... A close game ensued, and the Skins dropped one too many passes, and the Rams made one too many plays.

How did you all like the icing of the kicker that cost us 3 points?

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^^^^^^
Agree with a lot of 44 goes 50 gut.

Euphoria after last week makes us all think the Skins are world beaters, when honestly they are still in rebuild mode with a lot of missing pieces talent-wise. I watched the 49-ers last night and they are a well balanced team all the way around. Well coached, great Defense, efficent offense, and smart playmakers on both sides of the ball. RG3 actually in my minded overcame some of this teams deficencies yesterday and they were one made kick from just tieing, and if the Rams got the ball back in OT would have probably lost anyway, because the skins couldn't stop them.

If changes are not made, Andy Dalton is going to throw for over 400 yards next week.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8389199/robert-griffin-iii-limit-number-hits-takes-successful]Robert Griffin III must limit the number of hits he takes to be successful - ESPN[/url]

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I don't post on here very often but I have to tip my hat to London Fletcher. The man is a beast. He got bent in half and on the very next play just lays himself flat out and rips the ball out... Redskins recover. Absolutely amazing! HTTR!!!

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[quote=calia;941677]I reluctantly agree with Matty (as much as I liked blaming Vinny for everything, including global warming, and felt justified in doing so). Too many examples of coaches and GMs making turnarounds with little depth. Look at SF. Heck, I will bet the Rams finish near .500 this year. We have more talent on the roster than was displayed yesterday, and that is significantly on the coaching staff.[/quote]

I'm sorry but if you think the Niners are a thin team lacking depth you're just plain wrong. They had been rebuilding for years before Singletary got fired. The Rams likewise have been rebuilding for years, though they seem to have not been doing the best job of it, they are making strides now.

Still it can easily be argued that the Rams are a comparably talented team:

Secondary: Rams are better without any question
Linebackers: Arguably a draw (I'd take Laurinaitis over any LB we have except Kerrigan and to be honest some of that is my homerism showing)
DL: Skins
OL: Rams
RB: Rams
WR: Skins
QB: I like RGIII better, but Bradford is clearly going to be a franchise QB and might have a longer less injured career.

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Props to D-Hall for giving a damn yesterday, seemed like the only guy stepping up, defending and fighting for his teammates. Nice to see someone that cares and won't take shit from a bunch of punks. I didn't see him going out of his way to start trouble; seemed like he was the only one (including the refs) stepping in when his teammates were being pushed around.

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Jaws just gave every rookie quarterback an A rating on Sports Center except for RG3 who got a B (apparently for his interception).

I think that's a complete joke. The guy carried our team yesterday... if Jaws would've watched the game yesterday he would've seen that. It's clear to me he's being judged on a different grading scale than the other four already.

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[quote=Kindoy;941725]Props to D-Hall for giving a damn yesterday, seemed like the only guy stepping up, defending and fighting for his teammates. Nice to see someone that cares and won't take shit from a bunch of punks. I didn't see him going out of his way to start trouble; seemed like he was the only one (including the refs) stepping in when his teammates were being pushed around.[/quote]

I agree, D Hall and London were balling. Hey, pro bowl mvps dont grow on trees...

[QUOTE=Kindoy;941726]Jaws just gave every rookie quarterback an A rating on Sports Center except for RG3 who got a B (apparently for his interception).

I think that's a complete joke. The guy carried our team yesterday... if Jaws would've watched the game yesterday he would've seen that. It's clear to me he's being judged on a different grading scale than the other four already.[/QUOTE]

Clearly, 3 td's and one Int! The guy clearly didn't watch the brilliance which is RGIII. Plus A. Robinson possibly dropped a 4th.

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Yeah, our secondary needs to get better but it looked to me like Bradford/Fisher was exploiting our linebackers' zone responsibilities underneath a lot of the time. The problem this game was more scheme related more so than secondary skillset IMO. I wonder why we were so afraid of man or press coverage?

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[quote=Kindoy;941726]Jaws just gave every rookie quarterback an A rating on Sports Center except for RG3 who got a B (apparently for his interception).

I think that's a complete joke. The guy carried our team yesterday... if Jaws would've watched the game yesterday he would've seen that. It's clear to me he's being judged on a different grading scale than the other four already.[/quote]

That's why I don't accept an expert's opinion before forming my own firsthand. And Jaworski is one of the most competent and most respected analyst out there.

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Hate to say this but Brian Orakpo is starting to look like a injury prone player. Now they r saying it may be the same tear? Geez

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Carriker AND Orakpo done for the season

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[quote=imaskin4life;941737]Carriker AND Orakpo done for the season[/quote]

link? Im finding Carriker done for the season, but Osackpo is just missing a game or 2

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Go to nfl.com. Its breaking news.

Yea, Orakpo is out 4 months. So, the season....,

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Fisher has produced such quality, good-character players- pacman jones, Albert haynesworth, Vince young, and cortland finnegan.

Just imagine the look on a bouncers face, if they pulled up in front of his club.

First the redskins had to play against the bounty-gaters, then the instigators, and next week the most-arrested. Make no mistake- the bengals' uniforms are prison orange jumpsuits with prison bars painted on their helmets.

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[quote=44 goes 50 gut;941597]But the proof is just right there plain as the nose on your face... The secondary is thin as hell and the starters are mostly pretty bad, meanwhile they have had basically zero real chance to upgrade the starters (considering they've addressed so many other areas of the team) and are still forced to employ guys like Hall and Doughty.

3 offseasons is an eternity to fans, but this isn't Madden franchise mode.[/quote]


So you are blaming talent level for that horrendous showing Sunday? You mean the same talent level that kept Brees high scoring offense in check for most of last week?

The defense was horrible for a few reasons but most of it didn't have anything to do with the talent level. The problem is that the game plan sucked defensively. You can't run a zone defense without getting pressure on the QB. It's simply not going to happen. Even with Carriker and Orakpo out, that DL should have been taking advantage of a Rams OL that was out 3 starters. They didn't, and it allowed Bradford to eat up our secondary. ANY QB in the league would have torched us Sunday with that type of time behind center. Adjustments should have been made a lot sooner, but they weren't it we suffered greatly because of it. There is a reason why Haslett is on the hot seat, and it's not because the talent level.

Mind you, we were down 2 starting safeties as well. As much as I can't stand Vinny, we can no longer blame him for the outcomes of the game. I do however think that he left Mike with a bigger mess than what people realize though.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;941734]Hate to say this but Brian Orakpo is starting to look like a injury prone player. Now they r saying it may be the same tear? Geez[/quote]

I think so.

I just posted in the injury thread that we will miss him. And we will. However i believe he is injury prone and maybe trade material in teh off season.

Would'nt suprise me one bit.

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D. Hall has been playing lights out this year so far. He loves the team and was on the sideline watching the game as the offense was rolling. He wasn't sitting on the bench, he was IN THE GAME. I don't think he's a starting CB, but he sure has found his calling at the nickel position. He's made key tackles, and playing good.

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The Redskins have faced two gamers at QB the last few weeks. I'm actually pleased with the way the defense has played to start the season. Gomes, Hall, J. Wilson, C. Griffin, and Reed Doughty have played great. I am somewhat concerned about the huge passing yardage the secondary is allowing. Hopefully we will get better in that area.

Offensively, I couldn't be more pleased. We're averaging 34 points a game so far this year which is nearly twice as much that we averaged last year.

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Again, we are all sad and talking tons of crap about our secondary, but like I said, were they put in a position to succeed last game? I didn't see them losing individual match-ups.

Now, let's see some more man coverage against the Bengals and we can make judgements. Even Cedric Griffin did well against the Saints and that was mostly man.

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So was the blocked punt during this game the first one for our new temporary snapper? Are snappers in charge of calling out protection schemes just like centers do? I ask because one of the blocked punts in the SD/Oak game had nothing to do with the actual snap, it was just a huge block assignment mishap.

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you can blame the refs, but our D was disgustingly bad and the real reason for the loss. haslett called a horrible game.

how do you let a guy get 42,381 catches on you and not stop it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;942095]So was the blocked punt during this game the first one for our new temporary snapper? Are snappers in charge of calling out protection schemes just like centers do? I ask because one of the blocked punts in the SD/Oak game had nothing to do with the actual snap, it was just a huge block assignment mishap.[/quote]

At this point I have a problem with Danny Smith's personell on the punts. He has a safety (reed doughty) in the middle responsible for picking up any defenders that get past the o-line over center. He has Doughty in there because of his ability to get down field, shed blocks and make tackles but he is not used to picking up blitzes. I would like to see an offensive back with that assignment at this poingt - a RB, FB, or TE. ANYONE with experience picking up blitzes.

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[quote=imaskin4life;942105]At this point I have a problem with Danny Smith's personell on the punts. He has a safety (reed doughty) in the middle responsible for picking up any defenders that get past the o-line over center. He has Doughty in there because of his ability to get down field, shed blocks and make tackles but he is not used to picking up blitzes. I would like to see an offensive back with that assignment at this poingt - a RB, FB, or TE. ANYONE with experience picking up blitzes.[/quote]

Yep
Didnt Mike Sellars use to be the guy in the backfield on punts?

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[quote=htownskinfan;942108]Yep
Didnt Mike Sellars use to be the guy in the backfield on punts?[/quote]

I honestly don't recall but I think he was. Teams are going send the house up the middle until the problem is fixed.

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[quote=Ruhskins;942095]So was the blocked punt during this game the first one for our new temporary snapper? Are snappers in charge of calling out protection schemes just like centers do? I ask because one of the blocked punts in the SD/Oak game had nothing to do with the actual snap, it was just a huge block assignment mishap.[/quote]

What I saw on replay was that Perry Riley missed his block and did not hold his guy nearly long enough. Doughty could have come across the formation for the cleanup, perhaps, but didn't. To my eyes that blocked punt is on Riley.

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[quote=Lotus;942115]What I saw on replay was that Perry Riley missed his block and did not hold his guy nearly long enough. Doughty could have come across the formation for the cleanup, perhaps, but didn't. To my eyes that blocked punt is on Riley.[/quote]

Yes, another defensive player expected to perform an offensive duty.

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Special teams are an offensive duty?

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[quote=Mattyk;942137]Special teams are an offensive duty?[/quote]

Blocking defenders is an offensive duty/task/______.

If you have two blocked punts in two games, it makes sense to find players who have experience handling blitzes/picking up defenders. Defensive players are not the best at it, offensive players are better. It is an urgent problem on our punt team and could be remedied by having someone that has experience performing the task there.

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rocca moved from 53 man roster to 4th down consultant. we're going for it

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;942079]Again, we are all sad and talking tons of crap about our secondary, but like I said, were they put in a position to succeed last game? I didn't see them losing individual match-ups.

Now, let's see some more man coverage against the Bengals and we can make judgements. Even Cedric Griffin did well against the Saints and that was mostly man.[/quote]

Good point. From what we've seen so far...the base D should be man coverage. Haslett best see that!

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[quote=Mattyk;942137]Special teams are an offensive duty?[/quote]

When the results are offensive, indeed.

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[quote=imaskin4life;942143][B]Blocking defenders is an offensive duty/task/[/B]______.

If you have two blocked punts in two games, it makes sense to find players who have experience handling blitzes/picking up defenders. Defensive players are not the best at it, offensive players are better. It is an urgent problem on our punt team and could be remedied by having someone that has experience performing the task there.[/quote]

Except when it comes to special teams.

Golston is one of our better blockers on teams.

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[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/09/18/re-fo-redskins-rams/[/url]

"- Tyler Polumbus allowed seven hurries, tying Jermon Bushrod for the second most allowed in Week 2."

Right Tackle is gonna be an issue all year, getting bad play there once again.