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[quote=SmootSmack;958703]Some will always be upset by that. Me? We could run a 0-7 for all I care. Just give me results[/quote]


It looks like Ron Rivera will be getting the boot in Carolina, I remember liking him as a D coordinator. What was his specialty (3-4 vs 4-3) and what about him in the offseason.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;958722]Let him go after the season and focus on drafting/signing defensive starter secondary help and depth in the front 7.

Its a combination of not great coaching and severely lacking talent. There is only so much I could see being done with the players we currently have and the injuries. Fresh start on D next year seems like the best plan to me.[/quote]



This defense would look worlds different with Orakpo, Carriker, Tanard jackson, and Merriweather. but I don't think Haslett will survive till next year without a massive turnaround.

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[quote=hutch17;958782]It looks like Ron Rivera will be getting the boot in Carolina, I remember liking him as a D coordinator. What was his specialty (3-4 vs 4-3) and what about him in the offseason.[/quote]

Rivera is a prick for lack of a better term.

[quote]06:54 AM ET 09.13 | Rex Grossman, the NFL's favorite pinata took another beating off of it after San Diego linebacker Matt Wilhelm told a California newspaper that Chargers linebackers coach Ron Rivera advised his players they could rattle Grossman because he was "a mental midget."[/quote]

But to answer your question, both. He was the DCoordinator for the Bears from 04 to 06 then he went to the Chargers originally as a LB coach specifically to get 3-4 experience and boost his chances of getting a HC job. He eventually went on to be the Chargers D-Coordintor from 08-10 before getting his current gig with Carolina.

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Why not just fire all the coaches.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;958775]I pointed this out before but right now we don't really have 4-3 personnel, mainly due to the fact that we're short on traditional linebackers.

I mean lets see.

OLB - Perry Riley (Coverage liability)
MLB - Fletcher
OLB - Orakpo

LDE - Carriker
DT - Bowen
DT - Cofield
RDE - Kerrigan

Ironically we have great depth on the defensive line, so much that it would be hard to give our best players up front snaps while on the back end we have an average at best LB corps. Then again that could be rectified with one offseason so maybe a switch is in the cards but theres no doubt about the fact that this team has made the transition to the 3-4.[/quote]

No way do we have a 4-3 personal. Bowen is NOT a DT. Orakpo is NOT a 4-3 linebacker. Those 2 are wayyyyyy outta position.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;958802]Rivera is a prick for lack of a better term.



But to answer your question, both. He was the DCoordinator for the Bears from 04 to 06 then he went to the Chargers originally as a LB coach specifically to get 3-4 experience and boost his chances of getting a HC job. He eventually went on to be the Chargers D-Coordintor from 08-10 before getting his current gig with Carolina.[/quote]

A prick is what the Redskins need, not a Boy Scout.

Yes Haslett is a has been and needs to go!

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Mangini is out there and knows.the 3-4.

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Riley is a bigger coverage liability than Orakpo? I don't think so.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2012/10/29/fred-smoot-calls-jim-haslett-pig-headed/]Fred Smoot calls Jim Haslett ‘pig-headed’[/url]

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[quote=Swarley;958823]Riley is a bigger coverage liability than Orakpo? I don't think so.[/quote]

Never said that he wasn't but to get our best guys on the field you would have to use Orakpo in a similar capacity to the way Blache used him his rookie year. I just wanted to take the opportunity to point out that Riley has been bad in coverage this year though it's not entirely his fault as he's been matched up against guys he shouldn't be covering on a somewhat regular basis.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;958826][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2012/10/29/fred-smoot-calls-jim-haslett-pig-headed/]Fred Smoot calls Jim Haslett ‘pig-headed’[/url][/QUOTE]

Smoot has always blamed the coaches for everything. His post game analysis is pretty annoying to be honest.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;958720]Reminds me of how Zorn was trying to learn the WCO and coach it at the same time.[/quote]

The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.

2) Bizarre play-calling and play-design, that some try to explain as genius now, whereas Zorn took a ton of shit for it.

3) Poor discipline and preparation, as evidenced in two games already where players just lost it (St. Louis and Pittsburgh).

They're eerily similar side by side, but again this regime is constantly given the benefit of the doubt despite results as poor as Zorn achieved.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;958807]A prick is what the Redskins need, not a Boy Scout.[/quote]

They need someone who can bring discipline, not a prick. We already have one playing CB.

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[quote=SmootSmack;958745]What about Bobby?[/quote]
you talking to me?

I think Haslett should get at least five years. It takes time to build a defense. Some of you bozos want to blow everything up because of three bad years. That's horrible! We've had no continuity in the coaching staff. Shanahan said it would take 5 years to rebuild. Lets wait until at least 2014, then revisit this.

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I voted no but if he's lost Fletcher, Alexander and other players than it probably is time to go. I don't think in-season is the time though. The Eagles showed that firing a DC mid-season doesn't make for a quick fix.
Riveria sounded like he expected to be on the way out during a radio interview last week and that was before another loss. IMO he's auditioning for other teams the rest of the year.
As for offseason replacement I'd like Riveria, Greg Manusky or Keith Butler. All guys with 3-4 experience. IMO a switch back to 4-3 would mean another overhaul of the front 7.

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[quote=GTripp0012;958851]I think Haslett should get at least five years. It takes time to build a defense. Some of you bozos want to blow everything up because of three bad years. That's horrible! We've had no continuity in the coaching staff. Shanahan said it would take 5 years to rebuild. Lets wait until at least 2014, then revisit this.[/quote]

You are absolutely correct. The last thing this organization needs is another change.

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[quote=Swarley;958823]Riley is a bigger coverage liability than Orakpo? I don't think so.[/quote]

preach

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[quote=Chico23231;958873]preach[/quote]

Lol, I never said that.

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We should start blitzing more. Much more. If they can't cover maybe they can blitz. Which should help coverage if the QB doesn't Haslett all day.

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[quote=irish;958871]You are absolutely correct. The last thing this organization needs is another change.[/quote]Perhaps instead of looking to fire coaches, Snyder should look at bringing in a real GM, giving him authority over the draft and FA signings. Allen is a designated hand shaker, while Shanahan is the one really pulling the personnel strings. Having a real GM with teeth has served the Giants pretty well over the years (George Young, Ernie Acorsi, Jerry Reese).

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[quote=The Goat;958831]The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.[/quote]

Prove it

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[quote=SouperMeister;958877]Perhaps instead of looking to fire coaches, Snyder should look at bringing in a real GM, giving him authority over the draft and FA signings. Allen is a designated hand shaker, while Shanahan is the one really pulling the personnel strings. Having a real GM with teeth has served the Giants pretty well over the years (George Young, Ernie Acorsi, Jerry Reese).[/quote]

You think we've done a poor job acquiring players?

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Most people here have said over and over we need to rebuild and it takes time. Now after a bad day on the field so many want to start over. Make up your mind.

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I don't really see Ron Rivera as an option for here, or Mangini (I actually hope he stays on TV, think he's really good there). But if we're going to with a fired/soon to be fired head coach, what about Romeo Crennel?

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[quote=SmootSmack;958884]I don't really see Ron Rivera as an option for here, or Mangini (I actually hope he stays on TV, think he's really good there). But if we're going to with a fired/soon to be fired head coach, what about Romeo Crennel?[/quote]

Crennel wouldnt be a bad choice imo.

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Emmitt Thomas is also available, age doesn't matter just look at LeBeau.

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[quote=The Goat;958831]The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.

2) Bizarre play-calling and play-design, that some try to explain as genius now, whereas Zorn took a ton of shit for it.

3) Poor discipline and preparation, as evidenced in two games already where players just lost it (St. Louis and Pittsburgh).

They're eerily similar side by side, but again this regime is constantly given the benefit of the doubt despite results as poor as Zorn achieved.[/quote]

Interesting thoughts, but I'm going to have to bring up some counterpoints.

Numbers 1 and 3 have been pretty consistent for every coaching staff since Richie Petibon.

As for number 2, that has actually been a frequent criticism of the current coaching staff. Every time the Skins fail to convert a third down, the Warpath is replete with people blaming Kyle Shanahan. But the biggest issue is that while the criticism is as common of Kyle and Dad Shanahan as it was with Zorn, at least the Shannys are actually scoring. The Skins right now are 6th and 7th in the league in PPG and YPG, and that's with a depleted receiving corp and a shaky-at-best offensive line.

I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.

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It's a good idea to wait until the off-season before firing Haslett. Look, right now the Skins are still developing under a new quarterback; contention and controversy in the middle of the season are just terrible distractions for a rookie QB and should be avoided. And what would be accomplished by firing Haslett? The Skins are not going to the playoffs regardless, and anyone who thinks so is delusional. So right now the Redskins have to go about business professionally and calmly. That means forging ahead and taking some lumps, a lot of lumps. But the manner in which an organization handles such difficult times is part of what determines the future organizational mentality and culture. The Redskins need to set a tone for Griffin, a tone that shows the team is committed but patience, thoughtful rather than reactionary, calculated but not hostile, productive rather than destructive. Let Haslett finish the season, allow him to leave with his dignity, and make the proper changes out from under the spotlight.

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i'll do it, but i'm installing a 6-2 defense

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[quote=Coff;958890] I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.[/quote]

Well I agree with you. And since I'm a moderator, you're wise to agree with me.

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[quote=Coff;958890]Interesting thoughts, but I'm going to have to bring up some counterpoints.

Numbers 1 and 3 have been pretty consistent for every coaching staff since Richie Petibon.

As for number 2, that has actually been a frequent criticism of the current coaching staff. Every time the Skins fail to convert a third down, the Warpath is replete with people blaming Kyle Shanahan. But the biggest issue is that while the criticism is as common of Kyle and Dad Shanahan as it was with Zorn, at least the Shannys are actually scoring. The Skins right now are 6th and 7th in the league in PPG and YPG, and that's with a depleted receiving corp and a shaky-at-best offensive line.

I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.[/quote]

Strong post. It's amazing that the server hasn't crashed due to such logical thinking.

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[quote=GTripp0012;958851]I think Haslett should get at least five years. It takes time to build a defense. Some of you bozos want to blow everything up because of three bad years. That's horrible! We've had no continuity in the coaching staff. Shanahan said it would take 5 years to rebuild. Lets wait until at least 2014, then revisit this.[/quote]

You want Shanahan for 5 years? Fine. I get that. But for Haslett (or any other assistant coach) to also get 5 years is not necessary for the rebuild. Many assistants leave on their own for another job before they complete five years. In other words, it's normal to replace assistant coaches on a regular basis.

As for Haslett himself, I never liked him as a DC and I would have preferred that he not be hired by the Redskins in the first place. I think the man lacks creativity and is darn near counter-intuitive in calling defenses. I suspect that Shanahan could fire Haslett now and the defense might play a better game against Carolina under an interim coordinator.

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I'm not a big fan of firing any coach mid-season. Let Haslett complete the season and then evaluate him them. If the team decides to go in another direction, they have all off-season to install a new defense. Mid-season is not the time to install a new defense.

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stay the course w shanny.
abandon ship w haslett.

let the new defensive mind have time w shanny and allen before free agency and the draft.

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[quote=The Goat;958831]The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.

2) Bizarre play-calling and play-design, that some try to explain as genius now, whereas Zorn took a ton of shit for it.

3) Poor discipline and preparation, as evidenced in two games already where players just lost it (St. Louis and Pittsburgh).

They're eerily similar side by side, but again this regime is constantly given the benefit of the doubt despite results as poor as Zorn achieved.[/quote]

You are wrong on every point except for the poor discipline.

1) What big name free agent signings are you referring to? The Skins signed mid-range free agents that addressed specific needs. No high priced, under performing, washed up bums.
2) The bizarre play calling is putting up big points and is exciting to watch.
3) The blowup by Dante Hall and Josh Morgan throwing the ball at the defender were the worst cases of poor discipline. Hall most likely will be fined and/or suspended.

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I wish I could find the article I read about how we play the Steelers defense......but not the way they play it. They usually start out pretty basic and then bring on disquised blitzes etc. And they are very good at disquising what they're doing. With Hasletts defense they rarely fool anyone and without that our defense is pretty easy to read. The Steelers offense was a step or two ahead of us all day. Haslett may know the 3-4 but he definitely doesn't have the creativity to get the most out of it.

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We need a new DC, but switching back to a 4-3 would be another epic, set-the-franchise-back typical mistake. Id rather keep Haslett than switch back to 4-3.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;958906]You are wrong on every point except for the poor discipline.

1) What big name free agent signings are you referring to? The Skins signed mid-range free agents that addressed specific needs. No high priced, under performing, washed up bums.
2) The bizarre play calling is putting up big points and is exciting to watch.
3) The blowup by Dante Hall and Josh Morgan throwing the ball at the defender were the worst cases of poor discipline. Hall most likely will be fined and/or suspended.[/quote]

Well McNabb wasn't a FA....but he cost us a 3rd rd pick and it was pretty stupid. Not in hindsight either....that had dumbass written all over it the very day it happened.