Love #59 but he's clearly slipping. He's missed a lot of tackles this year.

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[quote=Mattyk;962596]Love #59 but he's clearly slipping. He's missed a lot of tackles this year.[/quote]

I'm afraid to say it but this could be his last year, as a Redskin. :(

It figures I've been searching for years to get his jersey when I finally do its after he starts slipping. Not that I care. Londons been a great player and I'm still going to rock it!

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[quote=Mattyk;962596]Love #59 but he's clearly slipping. He's missed a lot of tackles this year.[/quote]

+ he's been getting eaten up by TE's in coverage, since the NO game other teams have noticed and are exploiting it.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;962580]So we are gonna ignore the fact that he played DE in his rookie season when he had 11 sacks?[/quote]

He was a stand up OLB buddy. They would blitz him.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;962586]All of a sudden Fletcher isn't good anymore? I've been seeing people say that around here for the past few weeks. Fletcher has 73 tackles in 9 games which puts him on pace for him to have as many tackles as he had in 2008, 2009, and 2010. I see absolutely no drop off whatsoever from him.[/quote]

London is not having a very good year. In 2011 he was rated the #8 inside LB and had 14 missed tackles in 16 games. In 2012 Fletch has 14 missed tackles in 9 games so expect that number to climb over the next 7 games.

In coverage he was targeted 54 times in 1033 snaps,2012 he has been targeted 55 times in 607 snaps. Offenses have found great success throwing against him getting Tight Ends matched up against him.

London is also dealing with the hammy issue and vertigo which do not help his play.

If London was 28 or 29 you might chalk it up to a bad year and expect a rebound, at 37 usually you decline rather than improve. Fletchs contract is structured so the team can move on this off season pretty easily so we will see what happens.

No shame in declining production at 37 years old either. Hell of a career but signs are there its coming to a end.

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[quote=HTTR247;962636]London is not having a very good year. In 2011 he was rated the #8 inside LB and had 14 missed tackles in 16 games. In 2012 Fletch has 14 missed tackles in 9 games so expect that number to climb over the next 7 games.

In coverage he was targeted 54 times in 1033 snaps,2012 he has been targeted 55 times in 607 snaps. Offenses have found great success throwing against him getting Tight Ends matched up against him.

London is also dealing with the hammy issue and vertigo which do not help his play.

If London was 28 or 29 you might chalk it up to a bad year and expect a rebound, at 37 usually you decline rather than improve. Fletchs contract is structured so the team can move on this off season pretty easily so we will see what happens.

No shame in declining production at 37 years old either. Hell of a career but signs are there its coming to a end.[/quote]

Welcome

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[quote=CultBrennan59;962611]He was a stand up OLB buddy. They would blitz him.[/quote]

Ok man, if that helps you sleep at night.

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I can't begin to imagine Fletcher not playing in middle LB or inside LB for the Redskins.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;962586]All of a sudden Fletcher isn't good anymore? I've been seeing people say that around here for the past few weeks. Fletcher has 73 tackles in 9 games which puts him on pace for him to have as many tackles as he had in 2008, 2009, and 2010. I see absolutely no drop off whatsoever from him.[/quote]

He's looked a bit slower, missed a few tackles he would have made last year, and been trucked a time or two. It's one of two things, either the nagging health issues (balance, hammy) are effecting him or they're excuses for London finally aging.

Either way, it's not the precipitous decline some bellyache about. Looks pretty gradual to me. Given the fact we NEED big talent infusions at RT, and three of four secondary spots I don't think ILB should be a real priority given the limited resources we have.

Fletcher could also be helped significantly by a better scheme. He's still one of the top three pure MLBs in football.

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[quote=Meks;962530]Im sorry but orakpo... gets held every time he rushes and he also only has like one move (which he vowed to work in but did not) and he's not as effective as everyone thinks ... maybe if he recovers 100% he will be who we want him to be but in this vanilla ass scheme and defense... he hasnt.been, since his rookie year, and wont be... the player everyone thinks he is..n believe me it was hard for me to come to grips with this i love rak ... but he's just not elite[/quote]

You're right imo, but I'll say this...Orakpo will make a better RDE in the 4-3.

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[quote=SmootSmack;962641]Welcome[/quote]

Appreciate it

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Maybe now I can finally retire. Matty won't let me yet

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;962643]Ok man, if that helps you sleep at night.[/quote]

I watched some of his rookie 4-3 highlights, and he was blitzing but he would also have his hand in the dirt, so we were both wrong/right-right/wrong.

Orakpo is a huge loss, and maybe our best pass rusher, but he, like Kerrigan, have limited moves, and problem which doesn't matter if its 3-4 or 4-3.

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[quote=SmootSmack;962670]Maybe now I can finally retire. Matty won't let me yet[/quote]

If you go then this site goes; your the information and a main reason why a lot of people, like myself, are here

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[quote=CultBrennan59;962673]If you go then this site goes; your the information and a main reason why a lot of people, like myself, are here[/quote]

Thanks but there are others who can provide info. Plus, the site was around long before I got here and will be here after I go. And off-site I've moved further and further away from the Redskins over the years so it actually takes a lot more digging. And I've burned a few bridges in the process. And, sometimes I'd just like to talk Skins and give an opinion w/o the assumption it's some "inside info"

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[quote=SmootSmack;962676]Thanks but there are others who can provide info. Plus, the site was around long before I got here and will be here after I go. And off-site I've moved further and further away from the Redskins over the years so it actually takes a lot more digging. And I've burned a few bridges in the process. [B]And, sometimes I'd just like to talk Skins and give an opinion w/o the assumption it's some "inside info"[/B][/quote]

Why not stick around and do that?

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If only it were so simple. You don't know how many PMs I get. "Hey man, why'd you say you think Kedric Golston's getting cut. Did you hear something?" "Hey SS, so what's the word on Haslett. I saw you said he wasn't even the first choice. Tell me"

Woe is me.

Anyhow, that's neither here nor there

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[quote=SmootSmack;962676]Thanks but there are others who can provide info. Plus, the site was around long before I got here and will be here after I go. And off-site I've moved further and further away from the Redskins over the years so it actually takes a lot more digging. And I've burned a few bridges in the process. And, sometimes I'd just like to talk Skins and give an opinion w/o the assumption it's some "inside info"[/quote]

Good Luck with this lol 8 years on Extremeskins and I have tried to "just talk skins and give my opinion", never works. That privilege is essentially taken away because every post has to have a hidden meaning to what is actually going on in Ashburn.

We started doing the podcast to get back some of that fun of just talking about the team. Fans thirst to get information first to discuss and tell all their friends will never let you post in peace smoot..gift and a curse.

I don't check PMS, eventually it will fill up and your box cant accept anymore:)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;962673]If you go then this site goes; your the information and a main reason why a lot of people, like myself, are here[/quote]

I highly doubt that's true for many. If I had a choice in keeping Smoot the insider or Smoot the poster, I'd rather have Smoot the poster. I really can't say I value his intel more than I do his posts. (as well as many of you here) Besides, we need people to balance out the level of craziness that Goat brings...lol


[quote=SmootSmack;962685]If only it were so simple. You don't know how many PMs I get. "Hey man, why'd you say you think Kedric Golston's getting cut. Did you hear something?" "Hey SS, so what's the word on Haslett. I saw you said he wasn't even the first choice. Tell me"[/quote]


Translation: My mancrush for the Jets is at a all-time high with Sanchez and Tebow on the same team!!

:laughing-


Seriously though, I think some key things to remember when you have people with inside information in your midst.

1) Respect their privacy. Don't ask them who they are or how they know. Either take the info or don't.

2) Understand the intel they give at the time is accurate. It may not be in 1 hour or 5 days, but it's accurate at the time given. The NFL is so fluid and ever changing that what is a sure fire trade (or signing) now, might not happen at a later time. Seen too many insiders get blasted b/c their intel didn't come to fruition. I call these people, ****ing idiots.

3) Give them their space. If they want to give intel, they will. If not, they won't. No need to hound them via PMs to get the scoop. If they want to say it, they will do so on the boards.

4) Appreciate it. It's that simple. A simple.....Hey thanks smoot for dropping the 411!!".



Smoot, hang around guy. Even if you decide not to give out info anymore. We need somebody to counter the Crazy Canuck.

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This thread isn't about me. So let's move on

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[quote=CultBrennan59;962673]If you go then this site goes; your the information and a main reason why a lot of people, like myself, are here[/quote]

This site isn't going anywhere.

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I say we trade for Luck....not for our QB, but to help out with our MLB spot.


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:laughing-

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[quote=NC_Skins;962734]I say we trade for Luck....not for our QB, but to help out with our MLB spot.


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:laughing-[/quote]

Hell no, he can't even stop an old college option pitch!!!

and man is it funny watching a lineman like 62 try to run down a play.

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[quote=SmootSmack;962685]If only it were so simple. You don't know how many PMs I get. "Hey man, why'd you say you think Kedric Golston's getting cut. Did you hear something?" "Hey SS, so what's the word on Haslett. I saw you said he wasn't even the first choice. Tell me"

Woe is me.

Anyhow, that's neither here nor there[/quote]

I figured that you got deluged with PM's, which is why I don't do that to you and instead patiently wait for info to spill. Respect. You make the lives of everyone here richer.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;962526]Why isn't Gomes playing? Has he fallen out of favor with the coaches? As a rookie Gomes started all throughout last season and has a pick this season but we haven't seen much of him since week 2. Why? What does Madieu Williams, Reed Doughty, and Pugh have that Gomes doesn't?[/quote]

Gomes has the sophmore slump? IDK.

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[quote=SmootSmack;962685]If only it were so simple. You don't know how many PMs I get. "Hey man, why'd you say you think Kedric Golston's getting cut. Did you hear something?" "Hey SS, so what's the word on Haslett. I saw you said he wasn't even the first choice. Tell me"

Woe is me.

Anyhow, that's neither here nor there[/quote]


Wait..... Haslett wasn't the first choice? Who was? What happened?


lol.

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[quote=HTTR247;962690][B]Good Luck with this lol 8 years on Extremeskins and I have tried to "just talk skins and give my opinion", never works[/B]. That privilege is essentially taken away because every post has to have a hidden meaning to what is actually going on in Ashburn.

We started doing the podcast to get back some of that fun of just talking about the team. Fans thirst to get information first to discuss and tell all their friends will never let you post in peace smoot..gift and a curse.

I don't check PMS, eventually it will fill up and your box cant accept anymore:)[/quote]

I guess so with the MODS so overwhelmed with parenting everyones comments and banning people. No wonder you never got your opinion across. ;)

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Luck ain't afraid to kick a little ass. I like the guy. But I like our guy better. In a way, it gives me even more hope knowing that he has been doing what he has been doing being held back in a way. Optimism is very contagious, and even though I am down on Shanahan and the regime, I am very high on RG3, Almo and Perry Riley. I think all three of them are going to be absolute kick ass players, and Im glad they are on our team.

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[quote=SBXVII;962748]Gomes has the sophmore slump? IDK.[/quote]

I wonder what happened to him. But the fact that the safeties are struggling I find it odd that the coaches won't put Gomes in there considering that he started most of last season.

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Well an app I have says the Washington Post is reporting the Skins tried out 3 Safties/CB's and 2 LB's. I don't. Are who they are at this point they should be equal to or greater then what we have now.

According to the Post none were signed as far as they know.

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[quote=SBXVII;962874]Well an app I have says the Washington Post is reporting the Skins tried out 3 Safties/CB's and 2 LB's. I don't. Are who they are at this point they should be equal to or greater then what we have now.

According to the Post none were signed as far as they know.[/quote]

Aaron Rouse, Ricky Elmore, Kourtney Brown, Jaiqwuan Jarrett, J.L. Picard, Jerome Murphy

They need to add someone to the practice squad. Unless something happened during the week that I don't know about

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[quote=SmootSmack;962879]Aaron Rouse, Ricky Elmore, Kourtney Brown, Jaiqwuan Jarrett, J.L. Picard, Jerome Murphy

They need to add someone to the practice squad. Unless something happened during the week that I don't know about[/quote]

Updates?

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Does anyone think that these guys are real prospects, or just practice squad projects?

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[quote=Monkeydad;963280]Updates?[/quote]

On these guys? Nope. Though Jarrett actually isn't PS eligible

And no one got my joke?

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[quote=SmootSmack;963286]On these guys? Nope. Though Jarrett actually isn't PS eligible

And no one got my joke?[/quote]

I assume that the J.L. Piccard reference was not real (although a reference to Next Generation fans everywhere). Don't know if there was anything else.

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[quote=calia;963291]I assume that the J.L. Piccard reference was not real (although a reference to Next Generation fans everywhere). Don't know if there was anything else.[/quote]

Thank you. You're awesome

And per wire reports, we signed former Pitt DB Buddy Jackson to the practice squad

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[quote=The Goat;962662]He's looked a bit slower, missed a few tackles he would have made last year, and been trucked a time or two. It's one of two things, either the nagging health issues (balance, hammy) are effecting him or they're excuses for London finally aging.

Either way, it's not the precipitous decline some bellyache about. Looks pretty gradual to me. Given the fact we NEED big talent infusions at RT, and three of four secondary spots I don't think ILB should be a real priority given the limited resources we have.

Fletcher could also be helped significantly by a better scheme. He's still one of the top three pure MLBs in football.[/quote]

We have the kid Robinson, all set to take over and one of the reasons he was drafted was his pass coverage, I would like to see him in more on the obvious passing downs to help take away the TE, because as much as I hate to admit it London has lost a step at least in pass defense he is still solid against the run.

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[quote=SmootSmack;962879]Aaron Rouse, Ricky Elmore, Kourtney Brown, Jaiqwuan Jarrett, [B]J.L. Picard[/B], Jerome Murphy

They need to add someone to the practice squad. Unless something happened during the week that I don't know about[/quote]


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[B]Me to the practice squad?!?![/B]

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[quote=calia;963285]Does anyone think that these guys are real prospects, or just practice squad projects?[/quote]

They have to have some sort of talent. Just look at Andre Brown who was on our team last year off the practice squad and now he's having a good year with the NY Midgets.

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[quote=hutch17;963294]We have the kid Robinson, all set to take over and one of the reasons he was drafted was his pass coverage, I would like to see him in more on the obvious passing downs to help take away the TE, because as much as [B]I hate to admit it London has lost a step at least in pass defense he is still solid against the run.[/B][/quote]

Not nit-picking or being argumentative but I think the dig on London's pass coverage is a half-truth. The key is one-on-one coverage vs zone. London was never elite one-on-one and now being a tick slower he's actually a liability. But if you leave him covering the middle of the field London has shown (no surprise here) elite QB/play recognition and puts himself in position to break up passes and get a few interceptions. In other words one of his greatest talents, football IQ, is being minimized when he's forced into man coverage.
His talent/effectiveness is minimized anytime you take him away from the middle of the field. London should always be "covering" the middle of the field or blitzing, run or pass, because that is maximizing his skill level. Very similar to Urlacher actually, who's legs are much further gone than London's but the Bears scheme keeps him right in the middle and he's already got an INT this year. London, IMHO, is a superior MLB to Urlacher today, but our guy is playing way out of position.

...and it's so effing obvious, makes me want to throw my glass of scotch at the tv Hate this regime so much right now. If I was London I'd be demanding a trade, instead he just keeps quiet and plays his guts out (injured, btw). Wish I had that kind of character.