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[quote=The Goat;974342][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/eyewitness-describes-scene-crash-claimed-life-cowboys-linebacker-170937707--nfl.html]Eyewitness describes scene at crash that claimed the life of Cowboys linebacker Jerry Brown | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Brent sounds like a real classy guy.[/quote]

This article has been determined by our criminal investigators here at the Warpath to be a false article by a lying witness. One of our doctors here then pointed out Brent was clearly in "shock." Hopefully they will be called to the stand to testify in the trial as the experts.

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I can't believe anyone would defend Brent's actions, in any way shape or form. Gotta call out low character/integriy when you see it.

Moving on...

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[quote=The Goat;974357]I can't believe anyone would defend Brent's actions, in any way shape or form. Gotta call out low character/integriy when you see it.

Moving on...[/quote]

And you also have to call out lazy/low reading comprehension abilities when you see it.... as is the case with you in this instance.

Brent has low character for drinking and driving. The "witness" has low character for being a media craving attention whore. The writer of that article possibly has low character for irresponsible sensationalist publishing... but i guess thats what theyre paid to do.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;974350]This article has been determined by our criminal investigators here at the Warpath to be a false article by a lying witness. One of our doctors here then pointed out Brent was clearly in "shock." Hopefully they will be called to the stand to testify in the trial as the experts.[/QUOTE]

Do you really believe that he was standing there waiting to see his best friend burn alive? I realize we werent at the scene but knowing what we know my educated guess says that he was not exactly all there at the moment.

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eyewitness accounts are usually inaccurate.

people remember things differently.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974364]And you also have to call out low reading and comprehension abilities when you see it.... as is the case with you.[/quote]

WTF are you talking about, it wasn't even the same article? Regardless, it sounds like you've been through a number of tragic accidents, and have seen people respond immediately afterward, no?

Personally, a group of friends in high school crashed (driver was drunk) and one of the passangers (also drunk and badly injured) trucked through a cow pasture to call 911. This is way before cell phones (damn, that makes me feel old). The big scare is one guy was riding in the trunk, which was all crushed up and nobody could get in. Long story short, no fatalities.
Also personally I got into a bad sitz on Flathead Lake (I was dead drunk, along with everyone else in the boat) and when the waves started crashing we all responded pretty effectively.

[QUOTE=The Goat;974357]I can't believe anyone would defend Brent's actions, in any way shape or form. Gotta call out low character/integriy when you see it.

Moving on...[/QUOTE]

No one is defending him driving drunk. That occurrence was a fact. One eyewitness account on a sensational piece isn't enough to say Brent chose not to help his teammate after the accident. Give me several accounts and then maybe we can take that seriously.

I look at and debate the facts. It's amazing how people get caught in group think and mob mentality. What's the quote ...the way to see how civilized a country and a group of people are is to see how the accused and arrested are treated?

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[quote=hooskins;974383]No one is defending him driving drunk. That occurrence was a fact. One eyewitness account on a sensational piece isn't enough to say Brent chose not to help his teammate after the accident. Give me several accounts and then maybe we can take that seriously.

[B]I look at and debate the facts. It's amazing how people get caught in group think and mob mentality.[/B] What's the quote [B]...the way to see how civilized a country and a group of people are is to see how the accused and arrested are treated?[/B][/quote]

Very good post. I don't think anyone in this thread (or in Belcher's thread) is justifying or defending these tragic/heinous acts. But it is a bit maddening to see people get caught in that mob mentality, pass judgement, and become armchair psychologists (unless you happen to be one).

While I thankfully never had to deal with this, from my perspective, having the death of a friend on your conscience has got to be one of the worst punishment that Brent will have to endure. I am not saying that we should pity him or sympathize, but I just find it a bit surprising how easily people dismiss this. I am sure Brent will do time in jail and his life as he knew it is basically over. But that guilt of killing his friend will be with him until the end of his life.

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I just hope Brent wasn't drinking Wild Irish Rose or Ripple or any type of cheap wine. If he was drinking and driving, then why was the Cowboys player that was killed in the car with him? He took an unnecessary risk with his own life. You don't allow yourself to get into a vehicle with a driver that is getting tore up. That's a total no-no.

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[B]Just saw this report on PFT.[/B]

Chilling eyewitness account says Josh Brent initially reluctant to tend to Jerry Brown
Posted by Curtis Crabtree on December 11, 2012, 1:55 AM EST
A Section AP

More details continue to emerge from the incident early Saturday morning that ended the life of Dallas Cowboys linebacker Jerry Brown and landed defensive tackle Josh Brent in jail charged with intoxication manslaughter.

The Dallas Morning News interviewed Stacee McWilliams, an eyewitness to the crash scene. In a four-minute video interview, McWilliams described driving up on the scene of the accident shortly after the incident took place. She described the situation saying Brent had already exited the mangled vehicle and was walking around while Brown remained in the vehicle. Another person had stopped at the scene and already dialed 911.

McWilliams arrived seeing Brent in the street and didn’t realize there was another passenger still in the car. McWilliams then described hearing Brown call out from the vehicle for help with Brent allegedly unwilling to tend to his friend and teammate.

“Josh looked at me and he said ‘(Brown) won’t get out of the car,’” McWilliams said. “And I said ‘well you can’t just leave him in there and let him die, you’ve got to help him. Go get him.’ I commanded him several times and Josh looked at me again and he said ‘he won’t get out of the car’ and I told him ‘you can’t stand here and watch him die. You’ve got to get him out.’ He still didn’t move so I thought he wasn’t going to help at all.”

McWilliams said as she returned to her car to retrieve her cell phone, Brent finally did tend to Brown and pulled him from the burning wreckage.

“I want people to understand that Josh Brent is not a hero,” McWilliams said. “I keep hearing reports of how he was there to pull his friend from the fire but he had to be coerced and pushed and begged and pleaded to get his friend out of the fire and when he pulled him out, he just left him in the street. He didn’t tell him ‘hang in there, help is on the way.’ Nothing. He just left him there and I want the magnitude of that to be understood.”

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[quote=The Goat;974382]WTF are you talking about, it wasn't even the same article? Regardless, it sounds like you've been through a number of tragic accidents, and have seen people respond immediately afterward, no?

Personally, a group of friends in high school crashed (driver was drunk) and one of the passangers (also drunk and badly injured) trucked through a cow pasture to call 911. This is way before cell phones (damn, that makes me feel old). The big scare is one guy was riding in the trunk, which was all crushed up and nobody could get in. Long story short, no fatalities.
Also personally I got into a bad sitz on Flathead Lake (I was dead drunk, along with everyone else in the boat) and when the waves started crashing we all responded pretty effectively.[/quote]

Its not the same article, but the same story, the same account.

And let me ask you this. when you responded quickly and effectively, were you -

1) drunk
2) been in a car that flipped and rolled over at high speed
3) in an obvious and documented state of shock, as evidenced by your inability to comprehend the situation around you?

Brent should be condemned for his choice to drink and drive. No one is excusing that. But criticizing him for not responding quickly when clearly in a state of shock shows you either a) did not read the actual account b) did not comprehend what you read or c) chose not to comprehend the account d) generally lack common sense.

Given your other posts on this site, i'm going to rule out d. I would suggest you read the article again, read the comments on the site, and see if you can understand why so many of us are chosing not to condemn Brent for his slowness to respond after the accident. If you still chose to think he had the ability to respond more quickly, then please provide us with an explanation of what we all must be missing.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;974407][B]Just saw this report on PFT.[/B]

Chilling eyewitness account says Josh Brent initially reluctant to tend to Jerry Brown
Posted by Curtis Crabtree on December 11, 2012, 1:55 AM EST
A Section AP
[/quote]

You do realize that, in the post right before yours, we were talking about this very article, the source material of which has already been posted twice. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;974164]Did you confuse the news about him being released from jail?[/quote]

I think I did.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974417]You do realize that, in the post right before yours, we were talking about this very article, the source material of which has already been posted twice. :)[/quote]

Actually I didn't see it.

So apparently Browns family have forgiven Brent and asked him to be at the memorial service. Also told him they would support him throughout this whole thing.

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What the hell is wrong with these guys. It sounds like he could have saved him.
[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/eyewitness-describes-scene-crash-claimed-life-cowboys-linebacker-170937707--nfl.html]Eyewitness describes scene at crash that claimed the life of Cowboys linebacker Jerry Brown | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Here we go again.

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How many times can we post the same damn article?

My lord.

Someone find the article about Browns family forgiving Brent.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;974448]How many times can we post the same damn article?

My lord.[/QUOTE]

Atleast four.
Edit: the over /under is 7.

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i found an article i'd like to post but i think i'll create a new thread

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[quote=Mattyk;974448]How many times can we post the same damn article?

My lord.[/quote]

For real. If an article has been posted for over an hour or so, chance are someone already posted.

[quote=los panda;974463]i found an article i'd like to post but i think i'll create a new thread[/quote]

Pffft, whatever, I'll create my own thread too. LOL.

[QUOTE=los panda;974463]i found an article i'd like to post but i think i'll create a new thread[/QUOTE]

Is it about fitted shirts?

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[quote=punch it in;974468]Is it about fitted shirts?[/quote]yes, there was a custom shirt found at the scene, it fit neither brent nor brown.

[QUOTE=los panda;974473]yes, there was a custom shirt found at the scene, it fit neither brent nor brown.[/QUOTE]

Do shirts have thread counts like sheets?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974415]Its not the same article, but the same story, the same account.

And let me ask you this. when you responded quickly and effectively, were you -

1) drunk
2) been in a car that flipped and rolled over at high speed
3) in an obvious and documented state of shock, as evidenced by your inability to comprehend the situation around you?

Brent should be condemned for his choice to drink and drive. No one is excusing that. But criticizing him for not responding quickly when clearly in a state of shock shows you either a) did not read the actual account b) did not comprehend what you read or c) chose not to comprehend the account c) generally lack common sense.

Given your other posts on this site, i'm going to rule out c. I would suggest you read the article again, read the comments on the site, and see if you can understand why so many of us are chosing not to condemn Brent for his slowness to respond after the accident. If you still chose to think he had the ability to respond more quickly, then please provide us with an explanation of what we all must be missing.[/quote]

My hs friends that crashed were drunk and injured, but still took care of their bud quick. BTW how the hell did you not question the trunk reference? He was in the trunk! I don't know why we did the stupid stuff we did, I rode in the same trunk doing exactly what they did that night.

I was drunk when we almost capsized the boat.

But does any of that matter? I'll pass on this one...you win.

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Sorry, I figured if we were talking about the family forgiving him, there was no way this story was out there. When they read that story I cant imagine them forgiving him.

[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;974482]Sorry, I figured if we were talking about the family forgiving him, there was no way this story was out there. When they read that story I cant imagine them forgiving him.[/QUOTE]

Because that story as I believe Panda pointed out was one ladies take on what she saw. Her version was more news worthy and gave her 15 minutes of fame.

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[quote=The Goat;974479]My hs friends that crashed were drunk and injured, but still took care of their bud quick. BTW how the hell did you not question the trunk reference? He was in the trunk! I don't know why we did the stupid stuff we did, I rode in the same trunk doing exactly what they did that night.

I was drunk when we almost capsized the boat.

But does any of that matter? I'll pass on this one...you win.[/quote]

i read trunk as truck, so my bad... but wtf!? why on earth was he in the trunk!? you guys were nutts! Anyway, i'm glad the outcome of your accident was better than this one.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;974395][B]I just hope Brent wasn't drinking Wild Irish Rose or Ripple or any type of cheap wine.[/B] If he was drinking and driving, then why was the Cowboys player that was killed in the car with him? He took an unnecessary risk with his own life. You don't allow yourself to get into a vehicle with a driver that is getting tore up. That's a total no-no.[/quote]

Why does it matter what he was drinking?

[QUOTE=Mattyk;974743]Why does it matter what he was drinking?[/QUOTE]

Bad attempt at a joke, I think.

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I'm gonna throw this out there.

Why is it so bad to have a tiny sliver of compassion for someone who ACCIDENTALLY killed a friend? What he did was make a tragic, horrible, and terrible decision and he'll pay the rest of his life for it but why does he deserve outright disgust? I'm not saying he should be excused in any way but I would hope decent people could find a small glimmer of compassion here. How does hating the guy make anything better? Brown is still dead either way. If it just makes you feel better or superior then I feel sorry for you too.

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I agree with you FRPLG. But, as I said earlier, seem to be a lot of "perfect" people in this thread

Also, I can't help but think that the opinion might be a bit different if these weren't Dallas Cowboys players.

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[quote=Schneed10;972369]Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be Cowboys. Because God hates them and makes them dead.

There, that ought to stir the pot![/quote]

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[quote=FRPLG;974752]I'm gonna throw this out there.

Why is it so bad to have a tiny sliver of compassion for someone who ACCIDENTALLY killed a friend? What he did was make a tragic, horrible, and terrible decision and he'll pay the rest of his life for it but why does he deserve outright disgust? I'm not saying he should be excused in any way but I would hope decent people could find a small glimmer of compassion here. How does hating the guy make anything better? Brown is still dead either way. If it just makes you feel better or superior then I feel sorry for you too.[/quote]

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[quote=SmootSmack;974759]I agree with you FRPLG. But, as I said earlier, seem to be a lot of "perfect" people in this thread

Also, I can't help but think that the [B]opinion might be a bit different if these weren't Dallas Cowboys players.[/B][/quote]

I would hope that wouldn't be a consideration. I understand the circumstances were different, but Cowboys fans were nothing but sympathetic and classy after STs murder.

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[quote=FRPLG;974752]I'm gonna throw this out there.

Why is it so bad to have a tiny sliver of compassion for someone who ACCIDENTALLY killed a friend? What he did was make a tragic, horrible, and terrible decision and he'll pay the rest of his life for it but why does he deserve outright disgust? I'm not saying he should be excused in any way but I would hope decent people could find a small glimmer of compassion here. How does hating the guy make anything better? Brown is still dead either way. If it just makes you feel better or superior then I feel sorry for you too.[/quote]

It takes a big person to forgive or at least have some empathy in a situation like this, sadly most folks aren't up to the task.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;974768]It takes a big person to forgive or at least have some empathy in a situation like this, sadly most folks aren't up to the task.[/QUOTE]

I also think there is this prevailing mentality that things are black and white. Right and wrong. Things cant be in the middle. Why can't he be wrong for his actions but someone we can have empathy for?

In the world of quick news flashes, opinionated discourse and negativity, constructive discourse is lost. I think we see a reflection of that, at times, here.

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[quote=hooskins;974776]I also think there is this prevailing mentality that things are black and white. Right and wrong. Things cant be in the middle. Why can't he be wrong for his actions but someone we can have empathy for?

In the world of quick news flashes, opinionated discourse and negativity, constructive discourse is lost. I think we see a reflection of that, at times, here.[/quote]

In my opinion, you should forgive anyone anything if they take actions to demonstrate remorse and repentance. So far, Brent has done nothing but show remorse. I hope that, after he fulfills his inevitable sentence, he uses his experience as a platform to speak out against drinking and driving and convince others its a serious issue. Too many people drive drunk but think nothing bad will ever happen to them.

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[quote=FRPLG;974752]I'm gonna throw this out there.

Why is it so bad to have a tiny sliver of compassion for someone who ACCIDENTALLY killed a friend? What he did was make a tragic, horrible, and terrible decision and he'll pay the rest of his life for it but why does he deserve outright disgust? I'm not saying he should be excused in any way but I would hope decent people could find a small glimmer of compassion here. How does hating the guy make anything better? Brown is still dead either way. If it just makes you feel better or superior then I feel sorry for you too.[/quote]

I agree for compassion with anybody in that situation. But I hope he goes to jail for a long time. 2nd DUI? He clearly isnt perfect, or smart for that matter.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;974799]I agree for compassion with anybody in that situation. But I hope he goes to jail for a long time. 2nd DUI? He clearly isnt perfect, or smart for that matter.[/QUOTE]

He probably won't due much jail time, will more than likely plea to lesser charge. He can afford a good lawyer who can plea it down. His real punishment is going to living with killing his friend, because of something so stupid by not calling a cab.