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[quote=SkinzWin;994896]I'll give you Mike Williams and Vikings WR's - Percy Harvin, but Steelers WRs were good all year and so was Amedola until he got hurt. I think D Hall did have some bad games, but what player doesn't?[/quote]

Touché. DHall isn't the worst in the league, but is not near the best. We need that CB who can shut down or limit the catches to the big name WRs; we need to find that next Ladarius Webb, or Richard Sherman (late round pick but great CB). I feel like there is one in this draft since it's so deep in the secondary. It's a matter of finding that guy.
Is it Alford?
BW Webb?
Leon McFadden?
Mathieu?(probs not)
There's got to be one in this draft

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[quote=CultBrennan59;994898]Touché. DHall isn't the worst in the league, but is not near the best. We need that CB who can shut down or limit the catches to the big name WRs; we need to find that next Ladarius Webb, or Richard Sherman (late round pick but great CB). I feel like there is one in this draft since it's so deep in the secondary. It's a matter of finding that guy.
Is it Alford?
BW Webb?
Leon McFadden?
Mathieu?(probs not)
There's got to be one in this draft[/quote]

Whew! I got nervous when you started out with the whole shut down corner biz. I had a split second where I thought you were going to suggest trading for Darrelle Money Bagz Revis.

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[quote=NC_Skins;994889]If he's willing to tear up his contract and take less than I wouldn't have a problem with it. By less, I mean in the 3mil/yr range. He's not worth anything more than that. He should play for free since he's been overpaid the past 5-6 years. Paying top money but getting low level production.[/quote]

Didn't we just discuss how DHall doesn't have a contract? There's nothing to tear up! Just read a couple of previous posts to connect to the thread if you want to make a comment... Sheesh.

In fact, I just re-read your post. It contributes nothing to the discussion unless the novel concept of a player playing for free catches on.

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[quote=SkinzWin;994900]Whew! I got nervous when you started out with the whole shut down corner biz. I had a split second where I thought you were going to suggest trading for Darrelle Money Bagz Revis.[/quote]

Oh haha. Well honestly Darrelle is the best corner in the nfl. Hands down. Not Sherman. Not Webb. It's Darrelle. The only reason why I don't want him is because he is going to command a load of money. And the jets aren't going to trade him cheap either. We don't have picks. We need to draft draft draft occasional free agent draft draft draft.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;994903]Didn't we just discuss how [U]DHall doesn't have a contract? There's nothing to tear up[/U]! Just read a couple of previous posts to connect to the thread if you want to make a comment... Sheesh.

In fact, I just re-read your post. It contributes nothing to the discussion unless the novel concept of a player playing for free catches on.[/quote]

He STILL has a contract as of right now so you are incorrect. HENCE the discussion of cutting him and bringing him back. He's not a UFA until he's cut. UNTIL that time, he's got a contract.

If nothing I said contributes to the discussion, than I suggest you put me on ignore and go on with your life. If you couldn't pull the point out of the post I made than I don't know what to tell you.

TL: DR - I'd take him back at around 2-3mil/yr.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;994905]Oh haha. Well honestly Darrelle is the best corner in the nfl. Hands down. Not Sherman. Not Webb. It's Darrelle. The only reason why I don't want him is because he is going to command a load of money. And the jets aren't going to trade him cheap either. We don't have picks. We need to draft draft draft occasional free agent draft draft draft.[/quote]

I can see it now. ESPN Breaking News: Washington Redskins do not have a 1st round pick until 2018.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;994905]Oh haha. Well honestly Darrelle is the best corner in the nfl. Hands down. Not Sherman. Not Webb. It's Darrelle. The only reason why I don't want him is because he is going to command a load of money. And the jets aren't going to trade him cheap either. We don't have picks. [B]We need to draft draft draft occasional free agent draft draft draft[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

Hear, hear, this man speaks the truth!

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I say we definitely keep Hall. He does get burned sometimes, but didn't he pick off four passes last season? The more RG3, Morris, and Co. get the ball, the better. Also, I just can't see us spending three draft picks on DB's. We also need a good pass rusher.

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I think Hall is up and down yes but he played good down the stretch, it is not logical at all to cut a man without having a replacement in place imo and you cant count on a rookie to come in and start.

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[quote=NC_Skins;994919]He STILL has a contract as of right now so you are incorrect. HENCE the discussion of cutting him and bringing him back. He's not a UFA until he's cut. UNTIL that time, he's got a contract.

If nothing I said contributes to the discussion, than I suggest you put me on ignore and go on with your life. If you couldn't pull the point out of the post I made than I don't know what to tell you.

TL: DR - I'd take him back at around 2-3mil/yr.[/quote]

Well, not exactly. DHall may be still be under contract, but that contract doesn't include playing football for the Redskins in 2013 at this point... And we do not have to cut him to make him go away.

By the way, I would agree that he's worth the 2-3 million/yr. you suggest.

Must have been in a bad mood when I posted, sorry, I'll take your suggestion to put you on my ignore list under advisement though. :)

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Lets hope we can can a good free safety and corner back either in free agency or the draft.

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Jairus Byrd and Dashon Goldson come to mind.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;994556]There's a ball hawking safety named Chris Banjo from SMU...I wouldn't doubt that Bruce and Mike have an eye on this kid since we've drafted players from SMU the past couple of years.[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profilexnews.php?pyid=81838&draftyear=2012&genpos=FS]Chris Banjo | Southern Methodist, FS : 2012 NFL Draft Scout External News[/url]

Do you mean draft him as in we should have done it last year when he came out..

Or do you mean sign him as an UDFA since thats what he is..

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[quote=CultBrennan59;995489][url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profilexnews.php?pyid=81838&draftyear=2012&genpos=FS]Chris Banjo*|*Southern Methodist,*FS*:*2012 NFL Draft Scout External News[/url]

Do you mean draft him as in we should have done it last year when he came out..

Or do you mean sign him as an UDFA since thats what he is..[/quote]

He came out last year? I didn't know that....and he was undrafted? Hard to believe.

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/team/roster.html]Redskins.com | Players[/url]

I see we have listed Merriweather as a "FS" now. That is a change from last year. Please God tell me that isnt the plan at free safety.

I see the new guys, the Predator and Rambo, are both listed as SS...

I know its early, but B Merriweather coming off a major knee injury starting at Free Safety is not good. Im hoping T Jax is gonna join us and be the starter at FS.

Or is the free safety not on the roster yet?

Its never too early to freakout...who our Free Safety starter?

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My projected starters:

CB Wilson
CB Amerson
SS Meriweather
FS Thomas Week 1, Rambo will take spot mid-season


Nickel CB - Hall

If Meriweather is a no-go...Thomas starts at SS and Rambo at FS.

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[quote=Chico23231;1007260][url=http://www.redskins.com/team/roster.html]Redskins.com | Players[/url]

I see we have listed Merriweather as a "FS" now. That is a change from last year. Please God tell me that isnt the plan at free safety.

I see the new guys, the Predator and Rambo, are both listed as SS...

I know its early, but B Merriweather coming off a major knee injury starting at Free Safety is not good. Im hoping T Jax is gonna join us and be the starter at FS.

Or is the free safety not on the roster yet?

Its never too early to freakout...[B]who our Free Safety starter?[/B][/quote]

If I had to guess, Thomas or Rambo. I know what they are listed as now but I feel they both will start this season. Rambo is more comfortable as the single high and Thomas is better around the line of scrimmage.

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CB Amerson
CB Wilson
CB Hall
FS Rambo
SS Thomas

By week 4, up until week 4 Thomas will be the FS and Merriweather at SS.

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I wouldn't worry about position assignments this early.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1007263]CB Amerson
CB Wilson
CB Hall
FS Rambo
SS Thomas

By week 4, up until week 4 [B]Thomas will be the FS and Merriweather at SS[/B].[/quote]

This is where I would lean, but is T Jax on the team?

I think:
CB Wilson
CB Biggers
Nickle: D Hall
FS Thomas
SS Merriweather

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[quote=Chico23231;1007265]This is where I would lean, but is T Jax on the team?

I think:
CB Wilson
CB Biggers
Nickle: D Hall
FS Thomas
SS Merriweather[/quote]


Yeah we have to wait until his suspension is over before we do anything with him. Like cut him. I don't see how he comes in late August and wins a starting spot.

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Thomas is our best press guy. Don't be surprised if hes our nickel back.. DHall is not suited for nickel.. He wont be playing there this season... Don't understand why people keep slotting him in there.

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[quote=Chico23231;1007260][url=http://www.redskins.com/team/roster.html]Redskins.com | Players[/url]

I see we have listed Merriweather as a "FS" now. That is a change from last year. Please God tell me that isnt the plan at free safety.

I see the new guys, the Predator and Rambo, are both listed as SS...

I know its early, but B Merriweather coming off a major knee injury starting at Free Safety is not good. Im hoping T Jax is gonna join us and be the starter at FS.

Or is the free safety not on the roster yet?

Its never too early to freakout...who our Free Safety starter?[/quote]

In the article that Matty posted about Meriweather's return to health, Shanahan describes Meriweather as a strong safety. So I wouldn't worry about a mistaken online depth chart.

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[quote=Mattyk;1007264]I wouldn't worry about position assignments this early.[/quote]

This is basically it right here

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[quote=Chico23231;1007265]This is where I would lean, but is T Jax on the team?

I think:
CB Wilson
CB Biggers
Nickle: D Hall
FS Thomas
SS Merriweather[/quote]

Jackson still has to be reinstated by the league, so technically he's on the team but not active and that's up to Goodell. He's had many violations, so it's not a clear 4, 8 or 16-game suspension, it's up to the Commissioner when it's over. I'm not counting on him. I'd rather roll with the rookies.

Biggers as a starter...surprising. I actually forgot about him.

Man, we have SO much depth in the secondary now!


[U]Cornerback[/U]
Josh Wilson
DeAngelo Hall
David Amerson
EJ Biggers
Richard Crawford
Chase Minnifield
Jerome Murphy
Devin Holland
Korey Lindsey

[U]Safety[/U]
Brandon Meriweather
Phillip Thomas
Bacarri Rambo
Tanard Jackson (maybe)
Jordan Bernstein
Reed Doughty
DeJon Gomes
Jordan Pugh

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[quote=Bucket;1007284]Thomas is our best press guy. Don't be surprised if hes our nickel back.. DHall is not suited for nickel.. He wont be playing there this season... Don't understand why people keep slotting him in there.[/quote]

I think its because it makes no sense for him to even be on the team, but if we signed I think we would because he would play some significant role.

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[quote=Mattyk;1007264]I wouldn't worry about position assignments this early.[/quote]

Exactly...some of the guys don't even have jersey numbers yet!

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[quote=Lotus;1007285]In the article that Matty posted about Meriweather's return to health, Shanahan describes Meriweather as a strong safety. So I wouldn't worry about a mistaken online depth chart.[/quote]

Cool, didnt see that. I just need something to freak out on. Merriweather at Free Safety would fill that need.

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[quote=Chico23231;1007288]I think its because it makes no sense for him to even be on the team, but if we signed I think we would because he would play some significant role.[/quote]

That's a bit over zealous.

Now that hes making the right amount of money, there is no reason for him not to be. Hes our best DB and will play #1 this season.

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[quote=Bucket;1007284]Thomas is our best press guy. Don't be surprised if hes our nickel back.. DHall is not suited for nickel.. He wont be playing there this season... Don't understand why people keep slotting him in there.[/quote]

I did it simply because I think starting Amerson will be better for the team, especially in the long term. We need to develop this kid and see what he can do.

He's on 21 years old, by the way.

If he falters, Hall gets his starting role back. I thought if we drafted a starting CB, Hall could move to FS but it's crowded back there now.

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[quote=Chico23231;1007290]Cool, didnt see that. I just need something to freak out on. Merriweather at Free Safety would fill that need.[/quote]

Who is slated at FS? Merriwether, Doughty and evidently Thomas all play SS. Although I wonder if Merriwether can play both since he's listed as FS on the official website. Otherwise it's Bernstine, Pugh, Rambo or Gomes at FS I guess.

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[quote=The Goat;1007305]Who is slated at FS? Merriwether, Doughty and evidently Thomas all play SS. Although I wonder if Merriwether can play both since he's listed as FS on the official website.[B] Otherwise it's Bernstine, Pugh, Rambo or Gomes at FS I guess.[/B][/quote]

:doh: Our coaching staff is smarter than that.


(although Rambo could handle it)

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[quote=Monkeydad;1007313]:doh: Our coaching staff is smarter than that.


(although Rambo could handle it)[/quote]


Ive heard they are very high on Pugh.

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[quote=The Goat;1007305][B]Who is slated at FS[/B]? Merriwether, Doughty and evidently Thomas all play SS. Although I wonder if Merriwether can play both since he's listed as FS on the official website. Otherwise it's Bernstine, Pugh, Rambo or Gomes at FS I guess.[/quote]

Tom Green's left nut

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[quote=The Goat;1007305][B]Who is slated at FS?[/B] Merriwether, Doughty and evidently Thomas all play SS. Although I wonder if Merriwether can play both since he's listed as FS on the official website. Otherwise it's Bernstine, Pugh, Rambo or Gomes at FS I guess.[/quote]

IMO no one right now. We have three rooks who have never played a down on an NFL field. Wayyyyy too early to be making a call on a starter.

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[quote=Lotus;1007326]IMO no one right now. We have three rooks who have never played a down on an NFL field. Wayyyyy too early to be making a call on a starter.[/quote]

I agree.

In other news: I hate the offseason, still.

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Shanny needs to name a starter today to satisfy my freakout.

Amerson will start week 1

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I still think we sign Jammer and maybe Lynch.

My final week 1 redskins secondary would be:
CB--Dhall, Biggers, Wilson, Amerson, Crawford
S--doughty, Rambo, Thomas, meriweather, Pugh, lynch, Jammer

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7 safeties is a lot.

I'd trim it down to about 5.