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I am just surprised, that if they have restructed that many why we have not heard anything until now...... I am sure all those agents and players would be hard pressed to be that quiet about it. If it is true it's great news, but the devil is in the details.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996644]Woah Kemosabi!

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I'm pretty sure Rich Tandler is saying that the Redskins "could" save money in these ways that he is ''suggesting''. I don't read this as this is going to happen.
again maybe I'm wrong.[/quote]

No you are 100 % correct ..... But I read into this as .......there's still hope and a way outta this mess........ Somewhat

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996644]Woah Kemosabi!

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I'm pretty sure Rich Tandler is saying that the Redskins "could" save money in these ways that he is ''suggesting''. I don't read this as this is going to happen.

again maybe I'm wrong.[/quote]

I read it wrong initially too.

Damn that Tandler, I was thinking actual news was coming out.

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[quote=Mattyk;996649]I read it wrong initially too.

Damn that Tandler, I was thinking actual news was coming out.[/quote]

Haha ...but if Tandler figured something like this out I'd hope to god Bruce Allen and company can ..... If not Dan Snyder better hire Rich ASAP

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996644]Woah Kemosabi!

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I'm pretty sure Rich Tandler is saying that the Redskins "could" save money in these ways that he is ''suggesting''. I don't read this as this is going to happen.

again maybe I'm wrong.[/quote]

I would say my fault but tandler used the word- [B][I]will[/I][/B] and not the word - [B][I]could[/I][/B].

Got my hopes up for nothing.

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[quote=Mattyk;996649]I read it wrong initially too.

Damn that Tandler, I was thinking actual news was coming out.[/quote]

There has to be news soon. The free-for-all begins next Tues.

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that article is just basically recapping what several others have already done on this site. Its nothing that we havent expected the skins to do for the past month or so

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The legal tampering period starts this weekend, I imagine that we will see a flurry of activity with the Skins as players' agents tell them where they stand throughout. Restructures have to be the easiest of all the options to put through last minute:

BA to agent, hey does your guy mind taking 10M upfront instead of throughout the next 3 years.
Agent to BA: let me check, ticktock Yeah we'll sign that

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Err....restructure/cut somebody...

[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cMXcgEwZw5E/T2MZ_WI0NRI/AAAAAAAACnk/ogqM2WvJlPc/s1600/vultures-patience-my-ass.jpg[/img]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;996666]Err....restructure/cut somebody...

[img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cMXcgEwZw5E/T2MZ_WI0NRI/AAAAAAAACnk/ogqM2WvJlPc/s1600/vultures-patience-my-ass.jpg[/img][/quote]

That's a cute baby you've got there, ma'am!

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[quote=warriorzpath;996653]I would say my fault but tandler used the word- [B][I]will[/I][/B] and not the word - [B][I]could[/I][/B].

Got my hopes up for nothing.[/quote]

To clarify it I asked Tandler directly. He said;

Rich Tandler ‏@Rich_TandlerCSN
@RedskinsCult59 As noted in the post, nobody knows what their plan is. I was outlining possibilities.

stupid me for not fully reading his article

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[quote=CultBrennan59;996819]To clarify it I asked Tandler directly. He said;

Rich Tandler ‏@Rich_TandlerCSN
@RedskinsCult59 As noted in the post, nobody knows what their plan is. I was outlining possibilities.

stupid me for not fully reading his article[/quote]

No. Stupid him for misleading in his tweet prior to making his article available. You can't read an unavailable article. There's a big difference in the meanings of those 2 words- will/could in this context.

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[quote=warriorzpath;996827]No. Stupid him for misleading in his tweet prior to making his article available. You can't read an unavailable article. There's a big difference in the meanings of those 2 words- will/could in this context.[/quote]

I never said anything the first time but...

He never said "will". He said "will be able to", which means could.

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Seems like Redskins is in favor of cutting Hall instead of restructuring his contract

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/3/7/4076746/report-redskins-may-cut-deangelo-hall]Schefter: Redskins May Cut DeAngelo Hall - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=Skinzman;996846]I never said anything the first time but...

He never said "will". He said "[B][U]will[/U][/B] be able to", which means could.[/quote]

Huh???

That doesn't make sense.

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[quote=warriorzpath;996849]Huh???

That doesn't make sense.[/quote]

It makes perfect sense. To say someone WILL do something leaves no other alternative. They are doing it regardless. To say someone WILL BE ABLE TO means they can if they want to. There is no definitive must do action associated with that. Will be able to does not mean they will absolutely do it.

Rich Tandler never once said they are making those cuts with 100% certainty, he said those cuts are available if they want to make them. There is a huge difference between the two.

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[quote=GridIron26;996847]Seems like Redskins is in favor of cutting Hall instead of restructuring his contract

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/3/7/4076746/report-redskins-may-cut-deangelo-hall]Schefter: Redskins May Cut DeAngelo Hall - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

Skins playing hardball, take it or leave it style

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[quote=Mattyk;996855]Skins playing hardball, take it or leave it style[/quote]

I think Hall is as good as gone. He can talk all he wants about wanting to stay with the skins and pushing for the superbowl, but in the end, I see him taking the money elsewhere.

He will prolly get between 5-7 million a year somewhere else, no way he signs here for under 5. I just can't see it. His play was VERY good the last 9-10 games of the season. He's gonna get his money. His contract looks too difficult to restructure with what we need, and the amount we have.

Next man up.

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[quote=Mechanix544;997112]I think Hall is as good as gone. He can talk all he wants about wanting to stay with the skins and pushing for the superbowl, but in the end, I see him taking the money elsewhere.

He will prolly get between 5-7 million a year somewhere else, no way he signs here for under 5. I just can't see it. His play was VERY good the last 9-10 games of the season. He's gonna get his money. His contract looks too difficult to restructure with what we need, and the amount we have.

Next man up.[/quote]

I don't think he'll get that. Guy gave up the 2nd most yards amongst NFL corners last year.

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[quote=Mechanix544;997112]I think Hall is as good as gone. He can talk all he wants about wanting to stay with the skins and pushing for the superbowl, but in the end, I see him taking the money elsewhere.

He will prolly get between 5-7 million a year somewhere else, no way he signs here for under 5. I just can't see it. His play was VERY good the last 9-10 games of the season. He's gonna get his money. His contract looks too difficult to restructure with what we need, and the amount we have.

Next man up.[/quote]

5-7 million? Bet he doesnt!

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Who do we send the thank you card to for cutting Hall? Allen? Shanahan? Both?

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[quote=InsaneBoost;997115]Who do we send the thank you card to for cutting Hall? Allen? Shanahan? Both?[/quote]

He's not gone just yet...

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[quote=mbedner3420;997117]He's not gone just yet...[/quote]

He has to be. There are very few ways to put a roster together next year unless Hall is either gone or making less than $2.0 million. He'll either get a gigantic paycut or will hit the road.

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[quote=mbedner3420;997117]He's not gone just yet...[/quote]

Yet is the keyword. I'm just trying to get the thank you cards and baskets prepped.

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By the way, I think that the Paulsen and Young signings are the signal that we've given up the cap penalty fight. All along they've been telling agents to sit tight while they fought the penalty. Well agents clearly aren't sitting tight now that a few players are signing. It's over, time to take the medicine and gear up for player investment next season.

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[quote=Schneed10;997122]By the way, I think that the Paulsen and Young signings are the signal that we've given up the cap penalty fight. All along they've been telling agents to sit tight while they fought the penalty. Well agents clearly aren't sitting tight now that a few players are signing. It's over, time to take the medicine and gear up for player investment next season.[/quote]

Spot on.

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yeah, if we're taking the hit, we should go young and cheap (in general). no sense in paying hall 8mill when he's getting older and we already know he can't play. I'd rather have a midlevel replacement + young + paulsen + lorenzo.

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[quote=Mechanix544;997112]I think Hall is as good as gone. He can talk all he wants about wanting to stay with the skins and pushing for the superbowl, but in the end, I see him taking the money elsewhere.

[B]He will prolly get between 5-7 million a year somewhere else, no way he signs here for under 5[/B]. I just can't see it. His play was VERY good the last 9-10 games of the season. He's gonna get his money. His contract looks too difficult to restructure with what we need, and the amount we have.

Next man up.[/quote]

If he gets 5M or more/year I would be shocked. In addition to being old and average at best, the market is flooded with DB's on the backside of their prime. He would not even be the best CB on the market.

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I think he will get a 3 year deal around 13-17 mil total, with about 9 guaranteed.

And part of the reason that he got burnt so much last year is because of the horrid safety play the first 10-12 games last year. You put just an average guy back there at both safety positions, and Hall wouldn't have that statistical distinction. I wonder what his rank was the year before last in the same department, when our safeties weren't good, but they weren't as bad as this past years.

I do think that is a very unfair statistic on Halls part. Like it or not, he was our best defensive back, and has been ever since he has been here. I hope he takes a huge paycut, and we can get him down to around 4.0 mil a year, maybe 4.5. But I doubt that will happen.

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[quote=Mechanix544;997151]I think he will get a 3 year deal around 13-17 mil total, with about 9 guaranteed.

And part of the reason that he got burnt so much last year is because of the horrid safety play the first 10-12 games last year. You put just an average guy back there at both safety positions, and Hall wouldn't have that statistical distinction. I wonder what his rank was the year before last in the same department, when our safeties weren't good, but they weren't as bad as this past years.

I do think that is a very unfair statistic on Halls part. Like it or not, he was our best defensive back, and has been ever since he has been here. I hope he takes a huge paycut, and we can get him down to around 4.0 mil a year, maybe 4.5. But I doubt that will happen.[/quote]

I wouldn't be upset about that either, but I also doubt that will happen.

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[quote=Mechanix544;997151]I think he will get a 3 year deal around 13-17 mil total, with about 9 guaranteed.

And part of the reason that he got burnt so much last year is because of the horrid safety play the first 10-12 games last year. You put just an average guy back there at both safety positions, and Hall wouldn't have that statistical distinction. I wonder what his rank was the year before last in the same department, when our safeties weren't good, but they weren't as bad as this past years.

I do think that is a very unfair statistic on Halls part. Like it or not, he was our best defensive back, and has been ever since he has been here. I hope he takes a huge paycut, and we can get him down to around 4.0 mil a year, maybe 4.5. But I doubt that will happen.[/quote]

IMO Josh Wilson is our best DB. He played under the same conditions as Hall yet did not give up the gobs of yardage that Hall did.

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So rumor around the world of twitter from redskin insiders is that the nflpa is willing to join the redskins in a lawsuit against the nfl since little to no free agent players will be making big money from the redskins since we're being sanctioned from the nfls collusion.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;997161]So rumor around the world of twitter from redskin insiders is that the nflpa is willing to join the redskins in a lawsuit against the nfl since little to no free agent players will be making big money from the redskins since we're being sanctioned from the nfls collusion.[/quote]

That would be nice.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;997161]So rumor around the world of twitter from redskin insiders is that the nflpa is willing to join the redskins in a lawsuit against the nfl since little to no free agent players will be making big money from the redskins since we're being sanctioned from the nfls collusion.[/QUOTE]
from. HTTR24_7
#Redskins will not partner with the NFLPA. Skins just want cap back, NFLPA wants to prove collusion to grab millions in damages.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;997165]from. HTTR_247
#Redskins will not partner with the NFLPA. Skins just want cap back, NFLPA wants to prove collusion to grab millions in damages.[/quote]

That would be one of the sources!

I think the next 2 days are going to get [I]really [/I] interesting. Wouldn't be surprised to see us sue the league the day before Free Agency just like them dropping the hammer on us the day before free agency.

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Just a request to please quote sources even from twitter, let's give credit where it's due.

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Lichtensteiger reaches five-year deal with Redskins | News | NFL.com
[url=http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000149196/lichtensteiger-reaches-fiveyear-deal-with-redskins/]Lichtensteiger reaches five-year deal with Redskins | News | NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;997165]from. HTTR_247
#Redskins will not partner with the NFLPA. Skins just want cap back, NFLPA wants to prove collusion to grab millions in damages.[/quote]

Most likely won't partner, but I took it to mean they would be willing to tell whoever they did not agree to the "gentleman's agreement" if its needed for the law suit. Just in case the NFL tries the same BS again that everyone agreed which is why they punished.

What baffles me is a gentleman's agreement is just that nothing more, its usually not something you can hold someone to or in this case punish someone for. Otherwise they would have put it to paper all the owners would have signed it and it would have fallen into contract law. You can't have a gentleman's agreement to break the law......that's called conspiracy.

I say file the suit. Name the NFLPA as a witness. Make the NFL sweat over what's going to come out, what will the Skins say about the "agreement". And will the Feds get involved if unwanted info gets out?

Maybe then the other owners will concede and give back the CAP space so we can drop the suit.

Besides the NFL agreed to the contracts when they should ha e denied them.

In order for the Skins to get any cap relief I would think the NFLPA would have to sign off on the deal, unless a court ordered it, just like they had to sign off on the penalty. The fact that they want to use it to revisit the CBA or the collusion case instead of doing what is right, pretty much stymies any efforts the Skins might make. Like Schneed said earlier, these deals seem to show that the Skins are going to bite the bullet this year, and then move on. Hopefully DS learned a life lesson about over committing to pull in big name FAs.