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[quote=NC_Skins;1003532][B]So exactly what part didn't you agree with? I said I thought this would probably be just like the other mass murderers that have happened. Politically motivated attacks generally focus on the group they have issues with. [/B]

Why does it have to be a Islamic or "anti-American" group? Eric Rudolph very much prided himself in being a "American" and bombed abortion clinics and the Atlanta Olympics. To him, he was doing "gods work" by stopping the murder of innocent babies.......by murdering innocent doctors/nurses. Timothy McVeigh wasn't Islamic or sympathize with islamic terrorist groups.

Just a note about the Atlanta Olympics bombing, Rudolph has made a statement that the bomb was intended for a specific target, and with dated timers and explosives he was working with, it created more damage than what he intended. He even went on to apologize to the people he hurt indirectly. That said, he's still ****ed in the head.[/quote]



I think that he could be a nutcase, like at Aurora or Sandy Hook, who just just wanted to kill a lot of people. But I think the odds are greater that it was political in nature.

I agree that if you have beef with political target, be it a goverement or a corporation, an aboration clinic or medical lab, history tells us you would attack that specific organization and not attack random people. But if you are acting alone, in a small group, or with limited funding you may be unable to attack a specific organization without killing yourself in the process or having any chance of getting away.

Think about it this way. If someone blew up a bunch of people on a subway in DC on the 4th of July, would you think its most likely political or most likely a nut case kid like Adam Lanza? I just dont feel like its a nutcase, or at least the type of nutcases we have ailed with as Nation most recently.

And I think you misunderstood me. I dont think the person or persons have to be part of an islamic or anti-American group, but i think they could be. My guess is that its a lonewolf or a small group of less than 5 people. And because i believe the bomber to be part a small group my guess is that it could be for any reason. My odds:

25% Someone crazy (like your leaning towards).
25% Someone thats part of a fringe left or right group.
50% Someone who considers himself part of an islamist group or sympathises with an anti-America group.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1003541]Well,

I'll just keep with my current obsession, and say this was done by a NK sympathizer.

Now that everyone has shaken their heads and rolled their eyes:
things we know:
NK never ever acknowledges responsibility for their attacks.
K-Un wants to attack the US.
[B]The bomb was a basic, ie not mid eastern quality, attempt.[/B]
Eastern seaboard attacks would never be missiles, because they couldn't reach them.

All that said,
It was probably a domestic job local to Boston political shenanigans.[/quote]


I agree that it wasnt a high scale mid eastern quality job, but some of the attempts by "lonewolf" type islamist attackers arnt well financed or trained individuals. Theyre just more or less people for the cause:

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foiled_Islamic_terrorist_plots_in_the_post-9/11_United_States]List of foiled Islamic terrorist plots in the post-9/11 United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309728/Boston-Marathon-2013-explosions-Home-bombs-pressure-cookers.html#ixzz2QfI7xl5I"]Daily Mail - Boston Bomb[/URL]

[I]Police believe shrapnel consisting of metal fragments and nails was packed into pressure cookers and designed to look like discarded items.

Pressure cooker bomb is preferred weapon of al Qaeda, and was used in Times Square bomb attempt in 2010.

Authorities reportedly find circuit board that may have been used to detonate bomb.

Doctor says that numerous sharp metal objects were extracted from victims of the blasts.[/I]

Ok, I'm backing aQ affiliates as responsible.

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Feels domestic to me too. Maybe a converted Islamic fundamentalist like Reid or maybe just a nutso like McVeigh

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[quote=FRPLG;1003588]Feels domestic to me too. Maybe a converted Islamic fundamentalist like Reid or maybe just a nutso like McVeigh[/quote]

Amazing OKC bombing almost 20 years ago. Time flys...that bomb he detonated was effing massive.

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Annnnnd here comes the conspiracy theorists

[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-17/fox-pulls-family-guy-clip-altered-to-portray-bombing.html]Fox Pulls ‘Family Guy’ Clip Altered to Portray Bombing - Bloomberg[/url]

[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/people-who-already-think-that-the-us-government-was-respo]13 People Who Already Think That The U.S. Government Was Responsible For The Boston Marathon Explosion[/url]

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So there was no explosive under the grandstands then?

I wonder if this is tied to the Marathon attack? Even though there's no reported link at the moment.

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/us/tainted-letter-intercepted/index.html]Envelope tests positive for ricin at Washington mail facility - CNN.com[/url]

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Reddit/4chan detective work > FBI



[url=http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA]4chan ThinkTank - Imgur[/url]




First pictures of the bombs.

[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310200/Boston-bomb-FBI-photographs-Is-second-bomb-just-seconds-exploded.html]Boston bomb FBI photographs: Is this the second bomb just seconds before it exploded? | Mail Online[/url]

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This makes them better than the FBI?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1003643]This makes them better than the FBI?[/quote]

It was a joke. I thought the statement was so over the top that it couldn't be construed any other way.



Speaking of the Reddit crew, looks like they should go in the Best/Worst thread as a Best feature.

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/random-acts-of-pizza-boston-reddit-marathon_n_3094151.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003]'Random Acts Of Pizza' Boston: Reddit, Restaurant Join Forces To Bring Food To Marathon Survivors[/url]

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1003642]Reddit/4chan detective work > FBI



[url=http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA]4chan ThinkTank - Imgur[/url]




First pictures of the bombs.

[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310200/Boston-bomb-FBI-photographs-Is-second-bomb-just-seconds-exploded.html]Boston bomb FBI photographs: Is this the second bomb just seconds before it exploded? | Mail Online[/url][/QUOTE]

Well obviously it wasn't just 1 person, it was a well planned attack by a number of people. Smh

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1003647]Well obviously it wasn't just 1 person, it was a well planned attack by a number of people. Smh[/quote]

Well, the pictures don't prove anything. It's just some of the people across the 4chan/reddit crew pointed out things they noticed in the pictures. You can't go off anything with these pictures really, but they are interesting and I'm sure the FBI will be investigating it.



This is why you can't jump the gun on anything.

[url=http://www.popehat.com/2013/04/16/richard-jewell-cannot-accept-our-apology/]Richard Jewell Cannot Accept Our Apology | Popehat[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1003645]It was a joke. [B]I thought the statement was so over the top that it couldn't be construed any other way.[/B][/quote]

Never can tell for sure around here. Remember we still have people that refuse to acknowledge that Garcon is a good player.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1003654]Never can tell for sure around here. Remember we still have people that refuse to acknowledge that Garcon is a good player.[/QUOTE]

He's no rod Gardner or anything

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Anyway, here's a few more examples of the helpers Mr. Rogers was talking about in his famous quote: [url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/erinlarosa/boston-marathon-tragedy-met-with-amazing-acts-of-kindness]Boston Marathon Tragedy Met With Unbelievable Acts Of Kindness[/url]

[IMG]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/908244/thumbs/o-MISTER-ROGERS-HELPERS-QUOTE-570.jpg?6[/IMG]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1003645]It was a joke. I thought the statement was so over the top that it couldn't be construed any other way.



Speaking of the Reddit crew, looks like they should go in the Best/Worst thread as a Best feature.

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/random-acts-of-pizza-boston-reddit-marathon_n_3094151.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003]'Random Acts Of Pizza' Boston: Reddit, Restaurant Join Forces To Bring Food To Marathon Survivors[/url][/quote]

Sorry, have gotten less than 4 hours sleep the last two days

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Garcon......PFT

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[quote=SmootSmack;1003664]Sorry, have gotten less than 4 hours sleep the last two days[/quote]

It's all good my man. Get some sleep if you can. You'll be no good to anybody if your body breaks down from lack of rest. :(

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Ive got to say i'm surprised so many people are assuming this was done by ME or NK terrorists. Had this been an attack by "professional" terrorists, i think it would have been more "successful." Someone also would have taken credit. It was a horrible tragedy, but it smells of a job by one or two nutt jobs who found instructions on how to make a pressure cooker bomb on the internet. If thats the case, i'm sure they didnt do a good job of covering their tracks. Hopefully the Feds will find them and kill them in short order.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;1003658]Anyway, here's a few more examples of the helpers Mr. Rogers was talking about in his famous quote: [url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/erinlarosa/boston-marathon-tragedy-met-with-amazing-acts-of-kindness]Boston Marathon Tragedy Met With Unbelievable Acts Of Kindness[/url]

[IMG]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/908244/thumbs/o-MISTER-ROGERS-HELPERS-QUOTE-570.jpg?6[/IMG][/quote]

Great to see that despite the evil in the world, you can always count on people coming together to help each other out. Good always wins out.

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It is unfortunate that real heroism is only recognized in tragedies. What I mean is, heroism doesn't just "happen", it takes a history of "right" thinking, teaching and practice for folks to understand the need and have the will to put self-interest aside when it would seem self-interest is at its highest value.

No one knows how they will react in a crisis - I am sure we would all like to think we would step up. I know that I hope I would. I firmly believe, however, those not familiar with the concept of self sacrifice for the good of others or who do not practice it in the little ways in their daily lives will be ill-equipped to exhibit these traits when their own lives are under threat.

So as we celebrate the heroes of Boston, as we did the heroes of 9/11, let us remember to, at all times, celebrate the virtues they demonstrated in crisis, to exhibit those characteristics in our lives as best as we can and to teach (and preach) the virtue of those characteristics to our youth.

Who knows ... you may be reliant on someone making just such a choice in the future.

Peace be to those injured & the families of those killed and may justice rain down on the guilty with the full power and might that right brings to the fore.

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Good post Joe.


Decent article on suspect theory:

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/us/boston-marathon-lone-wolf/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]Boston Marathon bombs similar to 'lone wolf' devices, experts say - CNN.com[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1003656]He's no rod Gardner or anything[/quote]

Lol.

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Investigators believe they have identified a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, a source who has been briefed on the investigation told [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/us/boston-blasts/index.html"]CNN's John King[/URL].

Cue the call for more surveillance on US streets. I would like to see a less passive citizenry.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1003731]Investigators believe they have identified a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, a source who has been briefed on the investigation told [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/us/boston-blasts/index.html"]CNN's John King[/URL].

Cue the call for more surveillance on US streets.[B] I would like to see a less passive citizenry.[/B][/quote]

So next time I see a man carrying a large nylon bag down to the gym, I'll tackle him? I don't get what you mean, in relation to this type of attack. Everyone focusing on the runners, a man calmly places a bag down, maybe acts like he forgot something in the store, then a few minutes later he doesn't return, and a new group of people have made there way into the area.

Hard to know if a keen eye at the exact right moment might have prevented this, but certainly the cameras on the street would give the robot judges exactly what they need to see for evidence.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1003750]So next time I see a man carrying a large nylon bag down to the gym, I'll tackle him? I don't get what you mean, in relation to this type of attack. Everyone focusing on the runners, a man calmly places a bag down, maybe acts like he forgot something in the store, then a few minutes later he doesn't return, and a new group of people have made there way into the area.

Hard to know if a keen eye at the exact right moment might have prevented this, but certainly the cameras on the street would give the robot judges exactly what they need to see for evidence.[/quote]

I believe we have had this discussion as a group before and the consistence was it is equivalent to a sucker a punch. Really no way to defend a sucker punch you can certainly retaliate after the first hit but how do you defend something you have no idea is coming.

We don't live in a country where street bombs are common place so when one goes off it is a sucker punch.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1003750]So next time I see a man carrying a large nylon bag down to the gym, I'll tackle him? I don't get what you mean, in relation to this type of attack. Everyone focusing on the runners, a man calmly places a bag down, maybe acts like he forgot something in the store, then a few minutes later he doesn't return, and a new group of people have made there way into the area.

Hard to know if a keen eye at the exact right moment might have prevented this, but certainly the cameras on the street would give the robot judges exactly what they need to see for evidence.[/quote]

I think RR was being tongue in cheek about passive citizenry

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[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/victim-id-boston-bombing-article-1.1318295[/url]

Really sad, she can be seen in some of the initial pictures

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[url=http://www.news.com.au/world-news/father-jeff-bauman-discovered-sons-injuries-from-news-report/story-fndir2ev-1226623065916]Father Jeff Bauman discovered son's injuries from news report | News.com.au[/url]

poor guy had to have both legs amputated

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[quote=Mattyk;1003767][URL="http://www.news.com.au/world-news/father-jeff-bauman-discovered-sons-injuries-from-news-report/story-fndir2ev-1226623065916"]Father Jeff Bauman discovered son's injuries from news report | News.com.au[/URL]

poor guy had to have both legs amputated[/quote]

After seeing his pic that was pretty much a given.

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So I leave work at 2 for a meeting and the last headline on CNN is an arrest has been made. Im like great. I come home and pull up the news a little after 4 and no arrest has been made.

Can the media been fined for sh*t like this? They really really should, its horrible.

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Then they wonder why conspiracy theories start. Somebody will use the wrong announcement as proof that the govt is covering up something. And it just sort of spirals out of control.

I understand like Matty said, in the initial hour or two after an incident conflicting reports may occur. But at some point the media ought to be held accountable for unverified and misleading reports. Somehow allowing for 1st amendment rights at the same time.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1003788]Then they wonder why conspiracy theories start. Somebody will use the wrong announcement as proof that the govt is covering up something. And it just sort of spirals out of control.

I understand like Matty said, in the initial hour or two after an incident conflicting reports may occur. But at some point the media ought to be held accountable for unverified and misleading reports. Somehow allowing for 1st amendment rights at the same time.[/quote]

Ironically, the demand for information by the public may lead to the competition among the media outlets to get the information as quick as possible, leading to mistakes.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1003791]Ironically, the demand for information by the public may lead to the competition among the media outlets to get the information as quick as possible, leading to mistakes.[/quote]

Good point.

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[URL="http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA"]4CHAN - Analysis[/URL]

Doing Homeland Security's job.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1003799][URL="http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA"]4CHAN - Analysis[/URL]

Doing Homeland Security's job.[/quote]

About 4 pages late brah.

[quote=nc_skins;1003809]about 4 pages late brah.[/quote]

: ^ (

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Hope that they catch the person or creeps that have done this. As they destroyed lives and three people are killed over it!

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Again, more shitty reporting today. "He was caught";"Boston police say that not suspect has been caught"(again). Smh

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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/police-report-fertilizer-plant-explosion-near-waco-texas-015859240.html]"Hundreds" believed injured in Texas fertilizer plant blast[/url]

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