Sharona called ... she says Shanny has the knack.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1030720]One guy in 20 some years doesn't strike me as a "knack".[/quote]

A lot of Denver fans, probably even most, would argue it's shannys MO with both players and coaches. Hard to describe if you're not somehow connected to the city. I get down there often, going next month again for the broncos skins game, and it's striking how much dislike there is of mike. Stark contrast to th bizarre lauding he gets from homers like you, especially when he's got such a lousy record in DC.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1030724]Sharona called ... she says Shanny has the knack.[/quote]

Lol. Excellent 80's reference.

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[quote=The Goat;1030725]A lot of Denver fans, probably even most, would argue it's shannys MO with both players and coaches. Hard to describe if you're not somehow connected to the city. I get down there often, going next month again for the broncos skins game, and it's striking how much dislike there is of mike. Stark contrast to th bizarre lauding he gets from homers like you, especially when he's got such a lousy record in DC.[/quote]
Mark Schlereth must be one of those....homers as well...........

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Maybe a better way to approach this is asking what you guys see over the last 4 seasons, on and off the field, that gives you faith in Mike?

I see a defense that been subpar to leagues worst, and obviously much worse than the one Mike inherited. In the meantime we've seen a number of bad defenses completely turn the corner. Houston, Seattle, New Orleans and Indy just off the top of my head. Mikes offense has also been subpar to horrible aside from a single season that looks more and more like an outlier based on this little gimick. The team is listless (a staple of mikes teams since Elway and again strongly indicates his lack of connection ie alienation from his players), ill prepared and constantly undisciplined. All these have been hallmarks of mikes HC career outside an extremely brief stint with one of the greatest QBs in nfl history.

Now you go...

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[quote=Hog1;1030743]Mark Schlereth must be one of those....homers as well...........[/quote]

The same Schlereth that's been very very quiet about shanahan the last several years? Lol, but in fairness I've never heard Schlereth be hard on anyone.

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I am referring to this Mark Schlereth who has continually used his position at ESPN to tout' Mike Shannahan's acumen in team building, Head Coaching, O-coordinator and locker room leader at every opportunity.......
Perhaps you are thinking of......another Mark Schlereth and Mike Shannahan?
It would certainly give your comments some.....validity and believability.



Mark Schlereth
No. 69
Guard
Personal information
Date of birth: January 25, 1966 (age 47)
Place of birth: Anchorage, Alaska
Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 287 lb (130 kg)
Career information
High school: Robert Service (AK)
College: Idaho
NFL Draft: 1989 / Round: 10 / Pick: 263
Debuted in 1989 for the Washington Redskins
Last played in 2000 for the Denver Broncos
Career history

Washington Redskins (1989-1994)
Denver Broncos (1995-2000)

Career highlights and awards

2× Pro Bowl selection (1991, 1998)
3× Super Bowl champion (XXVI, XXXII, XXXIII)
Denver Broncos 50th Anniversary Team

Career NFL statistics
Games played 156
Games started 140
Fumble recoveries 3
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Mark Frederick Schlereth (/ˈʃlɛrɨθ/; born January 25, 1966) is an American former professional football player and current television and radio sportscaster. Schlereth played guard in the NFL for 12 seasons (1989-2000) with the Washington Redskins and Denver Broncos.

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^^^ C'mon man. You're using an olineman as a proxy apologist for how bad Mike's been since he had Elway leading his team. That's just sad. Mike Shanahan coaches the Redskins, has arguably been the worst HC to KEEP his job the last 4 seasons. But yeah, if Mark Schlereth still has confidence in Mike then we all should. Lmao.

Schlereth has actually been very quiet about Shanahan, as have most players and coaches. The shit show in Washington isn't something most want to comment on.

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jeez guys, shut it! the goat knows a guy in denver that told him shanny sucks - it must be true!

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[quote=The Goat;1030759]The same Schlereth that's been very very quiet about shanahan the last several years? Lol, but in fairness I've never heard Schlereth be hard on anyone.[/quote]

What the hell are you talking about? He hasn't been quiet at all

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[quote=The Goat;1030725]A lot of Denver fans, probably even most, would argue it's shannys MO with both players and coaches. Hard to describe if you're not somehow connected to the city. I get down there often, going next month again for the broncos skins game, and it's striking how much dislike there is of mike. Stark contrast to th bizarre lauding he gets from homers like you, especially when he's got such a lousy record in DC.[/quote]

Back with this, huh? Amazing

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[quote=SmootSmack;1030825]Back with this, huh? Amazing[/quote]

I mean, what are you disagreeing with?

We're you born in Denver? (I was)
Do you spend time there regularly? (I do)
Do you have dozens of family, friends and acquaintances there? (I do)
Do you talk to Denver fans regularly? (I do)

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[quote=The Goat;1030831]I mean, what are you disagreeing with?

We're you born in Denver? (I was)
Do you spend time there regularly? (I do)
Do you have dozens of family, friends and acquaintances there? (I do)
Do you talk to Denver fans regularly? (I do)[/quote]

So you support putting up billboards calling for Tim Tebow to be the starting QB?

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[quote=The Goat;1030831]I mean, what are you disagreeing with?

We're you born in Denver? (I was)
Do you spend time there regularly? (I do)
Do you have dozens of family, friends and acquaintances there? (I do)
Do you talk to Denver fans regularly? (I do)[/quote]

I'm arguing with your assertion that because, probably bitter, Broncos fans in Denver believe Shanahan has an MO to alienate players...then it must be true.

But JoeRedskin, for example, gives another opinion...then he's just a homer?

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Don't feed.

Move on.

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[quote=Mattyk;1030852]Don't feed.

Move on.[/quote]

I know. I'm sorry. Just blows my mind sometimes

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[quote=Skinzman;1030847]So you support putting up billboards calling for Tim Tebow to be the starting QB?[/quote]

That was so crazy!!!! Couldn't believe the Tebow mania but I'll say that a big part of it was the proximity to Focus on the Family and a lot of the Christian Right that jumped on that bandwagon. Most of the broncos fans I know didn't think Tebow was anything but a short term sideshow. Some of them even said it wasn't so much broncos fans fanning the Tebow flame but fareweather types who were really just religious and making it a football thing.

None of my Denver folks miss Tebow in other words. On the other hand some of them are already complaining there's no long term plan at QB with Manning in his twilight, pisses me off.

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[quote=Mattyk;1030852]Don't feed.

Move on.[/quote]
.....Sage wisdom

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[quote=SmootSmack;1030850]I'm arguing with your assertion that because, probably bitter, Broncos fans in Denver believe Shanahan has an MO to alienate players...then it must be true.

But JoeRedskin, for example, gives another opinion...then he's just a homer?[/quote]

Well, I really don't get much sense of bitterness from them. Shanny is more of an afterthought and how it usually comes up is chiding about how awful he's been in Washington. But that's really the norm outside Skins world, shanny gate last year is still the thing most talked about. And a lot who feel bad for RG.

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Denver fans hating Shanny would be like Redskin fans hating Joe Gibbs. It amazes me that I only hear this babble from the same two people.

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Really could care less what Denver fans think of MS. This is a different era, different place, different GM, different owner.

Unless they endured 10 yrs of Cerrato and bad decisions, then they can't talk crap. MS/Allen are 100X better then what we did have. But... They don't get this ship righted soon I can see this being just another HC who has come here and failed cause 5 yrs is the longest Snyder has given anyone.

Maybe Gruden then? lol.

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[quote=Bucket;1030921]Denver fans hating Shanny would be like Redskin fans hating Joe Gibbs. It amazes me that I only hear this babble from the same two people.[/quote]

You must know a lot of Broncos fans out there in WV. ;)

In all seriousness though you're missing the point. Some broncos fans don't think Mike had a lot to do with those SBs. Elway and a lot of the talent was already there, and Elway has since proven to be a much better team builder than Mike and since Elway is doing it in Denver, Mike is more of an afterthought.

You can make a good argument Elway never would have won those Lombardis without Mike, mostly because of the running game Mike brought to Denver, but immediately you should realize the offense we see in Washington hardly resembles what Mike did in Denver. That team ran the ball effectively almost every game and used it to set up big plays in the air. Aside from last season, which again looks more and more the result of a gimick offense, Mike hasn't put together a dominant running game here.

I think Mike did walk into a perfect situation in Denver. The stars aligned for those two years. Since then, he's been mediocre (the AFC west was pathetic for a lot of mikes tenure in Denver) to flat bad in Washington. Last year th stars aligned such that the division imploded. It's not much better this year and mike has a chance to take advantage of it again, but anyone who says this is a serious team is on serious narcotics.

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so if this were NE, you'd be the bitter browns fan complaining about how belichick has no idea how to be a head coach and should be fired right?

kraft must feel like an idiot for giving such a has-been a second chance... if only you could have been there to save him from himself, maybe they could have won something by now.

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[quote=The Goat;1030924]You must know a lot of Broncos fans out there in WV. ;)

In all seriousness though you're missing the point. [B]Some broncos fans don't think Mike had a lot to do with those SBs. [/B]Elway and a lot of the talent was already there, and Elway has since proven to be a much better team builder than Mike and since Elway is doing it in Denver, Mike is more of an afterthought.

You can make a good argument Elway never would have won those Lombardis without Mike, mostly because of the running game Mike brought to Denver, but immediately you should realize the offense we see in Washington hardly resembles what Mike did in Denver. That team ran the ball effectively almost every game and used it to set up big plays in the air. Aside from last season, which again looks more and more the result of a gimick offense, Mike hasn't put together a dominant running game here.

I think Mike did walk into a perfect situation in Denver. The stars aligned for those two years. Since then, he's been mediocre (the AFC west was pathetic for a lot of mikes tenure in Denver) to flat bad in Washington. Last year th stars aligned such that the division imploded. It's not much better this year and mike has a chance to take advantage of it again, but anyone who says this is a serious team is on serious narcotics.[/quote]

There is a phrase for fans like that. And that phrase is "simple-minded idiots."

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[quote=The Goat;1030783]^^^ C'mon man. You're using an olineman as a proxy apologist for how bad Mike's been since he had Elway leading his team. That's just sad. Mike Shanahan coaches the Redskins, has arguably been the worst HC to KEEP his job the last 4 seasons. But yeah, if Mark Schlereth still has confidence in Mike then we all should. Lmao.

Schlereth has actually been very quiet about Shanahan, as have most players and coaches. The shit show in Washington isn't something most want to comment on.[/quote]

Worst-run organization to Division Champ in 3 years is a failure?

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@ Goat.

Alllll of this started when you asserted that MS has a knack for alienating players and coaches. I asked for names and you cited one guy in 20 years. Since then you have slipped back into your generic criticism of MS, your reliance on a small sample of Denver fans as and your assertion that last year's success was due to a "gimmick".

As to the first point, I asked for examples b/c, despite having an ego the size of a small country, with the exception of Haynesworth in Washington and Plummer in Denver, [I]every[/I] player I have seen speak about MS has said he was fair and that no one was ever "given" a spot b/c of their draft spot or their free agent contract. In fact, outside of one or two, I have never read a disparaging remark about MS from one of his players and have read nothing but praise from his former players. The assertion that he has alienated players or coaches (again, Alex Gibbs being the exception to the rule) seemed to me to be one of your unsubstantiated "I talk to Denver oil men" statements (b/c the fan base is always THE most accurate assessment of any situtation). On this first point I stand by my assessment of your statement - one or two players in 20 years who can't get along with a coach is not a "knack" for alienating players. Your assertion is baseless rumour and typical of your "MS = Bad" assessment.

As to the rest, there are lots of legitimate reasons for critiquing MS time here. At the same time, the assertion that last year's NFC East was just luck based on a gimmick offense and was divorced from MS's coaching is just such ignorant BS that it does not warrant discussion.

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I'm with you Joe, I do not believe the argument has any factual basis either.


I've noticed that the majority of people who use the word "alienate" are usually fishing for anything they can find to criticize someone. The fall-back route is usually "alienation" accusations. It's a popular buzzword in the media and politics.


We're "disenfranchising" Native Americans from enjoying football too because we're "alienating" them by our lack of "diversity" in our identify. We need to get some "gravitas" and learn to "coexist" with the "progressive" population. We just lack "awareness" and "sensitivity" about "racial equality".

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[quote=The Goat;1030924]You must know a lot of Broncos fans out there in WV. ;)

In all seriousness though you're missing the point. Some broncos fans don't think Mike had a lot to do with those SBs. Elway and a lot of the talent was already there, and Elway has since proven to be a much better team builder than Mike and since Elway is doing it in Denver, Mike is more of an afterthought.

You can make a good argument Elway never would have won those Lombardis without Mike, mostly because of the running game Mike brought to Denver, but immediately you should realize the offense we see in Washington hardly resembles what Mike did in Denver. That team ran the ball effectively almost every game and used it to set up big plays in the air. Aside from last season, which again looks more and more the result of a gimick offense, Mike hasn't put together a dominant running game here.

I think Mike did walk into a perfect situation in Denver. The stars aligned for those two years. Since then, he's been mediocre (the AFC west was pathetic for a lot of mikes tenure in Denver) to flat bad in Washington. Last year th stars aligned such that the division imploded. It's not much better this year and mike has a chance to take advantage of it again, but anyone who says this is a serious team is on serious narcotics.[/quote]


Actually I do know a lot of Bronco fans, but you can prove me wrong on that too?

besides
besides
besides


I love when people try to eliminate aspects that hurt their argument. "Mike had a perfect situation to win Super Bowls" "Mike only had a running game last year"

Oh lord lol.

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last season was not soley on the "gimmick" offense... it was griff's health/confidence, and the coaches confidence in him also... cuz the "gimmick" offense is STILL working pretty fine for the few teams that started using it after seeing how effective it was for us...

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As we turn on GPS [recalculating]

Did the Skins actually make any offers to any of the 18? if not, I would say this thread has run it's course. [your destination is on the left]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1031062]As we turn on GPS [recalculating]

Did the Skins actually make any offers to any of the 18? if not, I would say this thread has run it's course. [your destination is on the left][/quote]

No. And I agree. Time to lock this. Let Goat ruin some other thread