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[quote=JoeRedskin;1042903]Same here, his last years in Denver, he was going through D coordinators on a regular basis. Unlike many, I had no problem going from the 4-3 to 3-4, nor did I have any expectation the transition would be easy or "quick". It was a fundamental change which, had it worked, would have been fine by me. [I personally think the 3-4 the more flexible set and, therefore, better set - particulary as the game evolves into more of a passing era.]

Unfortunately, Haslett just hasn't gotten it done. Sure, back-end talent has been an issue but, sorry, the D hasn't executed and has schemed well. I hope going forward, we get a creative D coord who find ways to stop the medium and big gains and who gets his D off the field -- other than by allowing the other team to score.

I am grateful to Shanny for exorcising the ghost of Vinny, for working through the draft, for not giving up on younger players and creating the idea that "fairness/performance" govern who plays. (Although, recently, it seems this last has been given less emphassis).

Barring a 180 degree turnaround by the D and parts of the O, it is time to say good bye to Shanny before all the good he has done is undone by a descent into losing and defeatism.[/quote]

The toughest thing about the 3-4 IMO is that there are just not enough quality teams running it in college and therefore not enough quality nose tackles in the NFL comparatively. I do agree that if you have the pieces up front it is the better D.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1042907]The toughest thing about the 3-4 IMO is that there are just not enough quality teams running it in college and therefore not enough quality nose tackles in the NFL comparatively. [B]I do agree that if you have the pieces up front it is the better D[/B].[/quote]

Addressing the focal point of any unit (in the case of the D, the NT position) is certainly the most logical way of moving forward, which is why I’ve come away from some drafts scratching my head.

2010 for example, we needed someone to replace Chris Samuels. We took Trent (as well as 5 other offensive players) and he’s working out well. He’s not having a pro-bowl year by any stretch, but then none of the team is. Bottom line, we needed a franchise blind-side protector and the pick therefore made sense.

2011 though, and they turned their attention to the D. Priority seemed to be on improving the pass rush and so Kerrigan was taken in the 1st, Jenkins in the 2nd. Now, don’t get me wrong, I like Ryan. I think he’s a solid player who could look even better if he had an elite rusher on the other side, but the point I’m making is in a 3-4, it all starts with the guy in the middle of the 3, and everything else comes next. In other words, we should have been looking towards the best NT available, the build around that vital cog. Phil Taylor for example shot up draft boards that year and was picked later in the first round. But instead we seem to make attempts at solving problems (I won’t discredit the effort btw, especially considering the draft is always reliant on chance as much as doing your homework), but it’s almost done in a hit and hope manner (definitely more on the defensive side of the ball) as much as anything and typifies why we haven’t made enough sustained progress in the 4 years of the transition to a 3-4 scheme as we maybe should IMO.

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I always thought Smootsmack = Morocco Brown.

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My HC pick: Todd Bowles

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[quote=jamf;1042920]I always thought Smootsmack = Morocco Brown.[/quote]

Shhh

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Shanny should just leave after the season and enjoy retirement until he goes into the hall
Of fame.

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I posted my vote for Lovie Smith although I know it's a long shot. I think he'd be a great coach to develop the defense and he's low drama as well. Offensively, as someone said earlier, we've got the pieces in place to be dynamic so we don't need a mastermind on that side of the ball. I'd prefer someone whose philosophy is similar to the scheme Shanahan built the team around so there wouldn't have to be dramatic turnover on that side of the ball.

Ray Horton, Sean McDermott John Pagano and Perry Fewell are also on my radar because I want the next coach to be defensive minded.

If we go offensive minded, I like Ken Wisenhunt.

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Not surprised Shanahan is in the lead here. Similar poll is on Extremeskins, and he's winning there too.

I applaud you Warpath.

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[quote=jamf;1042920]I always thought Smootsmack = Morocco Brown.[/quote]

If that's the case, then please everyone welcome the new head coach of the Washington Redskins, David Shaw.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahans-poor-defenses-with-the-redskins-and-broncos-speak-volumes/2013/11/20/7a919636-5222-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html]Mike Shanahan’s poor defenses with the Redskins and Broncos speak volumes - The Washington Post[/url]

[B]
@ThomasBoswellWP

Here is rank in Pts Allowed of Haslett's last 12 teams as DC or coach ('13 back to '01): 30, 22, 21, 21, 31, 31, 28, 28, 27, 14, 26, 27. OMG[/B]


Fire this fucking guy already. God damnit Mike.



[B]
@fakeC_Russell

TEXT from Jim Haslett: "Tell Tom Boswell two things. 1) Screw off and 2) Stick to baseball."[/B]

:laughing2

(note the above tweet is entertainment, Jim didn't send that text)

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[quote=Bucket;1042941]Not surprised Shanahan is in the lead here. Similar poll is on Extremeskins, and he's winning there too.

I applaud you Warpath.[/quote]

Yeah I found that pretty interesting. Is it a case of they just don't want change or they really think he's the best man for the job?

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Thanks for the approval Warpath... Like most, longtime listener, first time caller... With that said, I say Dan should honor the contract he gave Mike. I would not welcome a contract extension, and I'm not sure if Mike would stay without one. If he did accept that offer, then I still say this is the best course of action...

Thanks again for the account

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I would just love, just love, if all they offered Mike was OC for next year.

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[quote=Bucket;1042941]Not surprised Shanahan is in the lead here. Similar poll is on Extremeskins, and he's winning there too.

I applaud you Warpath.[/quote]30% of the Warpath thinks a guy winning 30% of his games this year should be retained. That seems in line with reality.

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[quote=The Goat;1042959]I would just love, just love, if all they offered Mike was OC for next year.[/quote]

1. He could be fired but the idea of a demotion is ridiculous.

2. Please stop suggesting that MS ought to be disrespected or punished.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1042963]30% of the Warpath thinks a guy winning 30% of his games this year should be retained. That seems in line with reality.[/quote]

If the Redskins had been 10-0 there wouldn't have been a poll, so nobody (0%) would have voted for him.

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Mike deserves
1. No respect
2. Who cares. He hired his son and cares only about the shanahan legacy
3. so again F him. Gaddafi his career and his name. Its well deserved. If you haven't seen overhyped coaching before -boom textbook example

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it's only because no one mentioned either seems plausible or likely to do much better. I voted other, but i mean, i have no idea who we'd be able to get that's a good bet.

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Mike gives us the best chance to win next year... Now you could make the argument that it would be better in the long run to go ahead and make the change, and I can't really argue that point... Let him coach another year without an extension contract if he will, make some roster and coordinator adjustments, and spend that extra 18 million wisely in FA...

IIIsus will have a full offseason to work on his mechanics (crossing fingers he stays healthy) and improve as a passer... I'm really not ready to blow it up and start all over... The Grass is not always greener on the other-side my fellow Skin fans...

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[quote=GTripp0012;1042963]30% of the Warpath thinks a guy winning 30% of his games this year should be retained. That seems in line with reality.[/quote]

or 70% of people don't want him. Don't forget there are also far more choices than if this is a true coaching search. Personally I find it more disturbing that 15% of people want Jon Gruden.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1042955]Yeah I found that pretty interesting. Is it a case of they just don't want change or they really think he's the best man for the job?[/quote]

Could have a lot to do with the mindset of the community these days. We've seen so much change that maybe we want to see what a bit of structure would look like? That's my only theory.

Personally, anything can happen in a year. So, I just want to see what Mike would do in his final year knowing this is the end of the line. With some money to spend, RG3 has an offseason working on the offense and with his WR's, etc.

But

I really don't see how you can keep Haslett.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1042965]If the Redskins had been 10-0 there wouldn't have been a poll, so nobody (0%) would have voted for him.[/quote]Not that you needed validation, but this is true.

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G.A Moore

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1042964]1. He could be fired but the idea of a demotion is ridiculous.

2. Please stop suggesting that MS ought to be disrespected or punished.[/quote]

Lmao take it easy Francis.

While Mike isn't being directly disrespected as he deserves, the reports of his disastrous defenses and lopsided win/loss record in Washingtion are mounting. The bottom line story is he's not deserved the HC gig in a very long time and rightfully should be limited to offense. That's my point.

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[quote=Fiversons;1042975]Mike gives us the best chance to win next year... Now you could make the argument that it would be better in the long run to go ahead and make the change, and I can't really argue that point... Let him coach another year without an extension contract if he will, make some roster and coordinator adjustments, and spend that extra 18 million wisely in FA...

IIIsus will have a full offseason to work on his mechanics (crossing fingers he stays healthy) and improve as a passer... I'm really not ready to blow it up and start all over... The Grass is not always greener on the other-side my fellow Skin fans...[/quote]

Only if Snyder tells Shannahan his son,. Haslett, and whoever the special teams coach is has to go and go back to the 4-3. We do not have the personal for a 3-4 (and yes our secondary will need to addressed no matter which defense we run).

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1042976]or 70% of people don't want him. Don't forget there are also far more choices than if this is a true coaching search. Personally I find it more disturbing that 15% of people want Jon Gruden.[/quote]I agree with you.

I really like Jon Gruden. I think he was/is a better coach than Mike Shanahan. But fundamentally, we'd be making the same error on Gruden that was made four years ago on Shanahan, and the result would ultimately be the same.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1042986]Only if Snyder tells Shannahan his son,. Haslett, and whoever the special teams coach is has to go and go back to the 4-3. We do not have the personal for a 3-4 (and yes our secondary will need to addressed no matter which defense we run).[/quote]

_____________________________

I don't pretend to be an expert or an NFL GM... I don't think the failure of the defense is all on JH... He is an average Coordinator and we could upgrade... We lack serious talent on that side of the ball... The front 7, what was supposed to be our strength this year, is average on a good day... And our secondary minus Hall (this year alone) is well below average... I'm not really sure what you can ask of him... He calls the plays, it's up to the players to execute, which they can't... I think Kyle receives too much criticism as well... Only Reed and Garcon can create separation on a consistent basis... The O-line can only block for so long... IIIsus has had a recovery/sophomore slump season... Once again players have to execute....

I think the bottom line is that we lack the talent and depth of good teams... We simply are not a good team talent wise... If you want to blame someone, blame Mike....

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Based on Dan Snyder's record in hiring Head Coaches (Spurrier, Zorn), he probably should hire his next coach based on the results of a warpath.net poll - but definitely [U]not[/U] an extremeskins.com poll.

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Chucky would be fun.

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If we keep MS as coach, we will need a serious coaching staff shakeup. Kyle will have to (and maybe want to) go. I like Kyle and think that he does a good job overall. But our offense cannot remain hostage to Shanahan family bickering.

And of course Haslett and Burns will have to go because their units grossly underperform.

So if we keep MS we still should start 2014 with 3 new systems.

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I understand where the people who believe that the Redskins should keep Mike Shanahan and hire three new coordinators are coming from, I just can't believe that they think it's the best course of action.

In 2009, Shanahan got a full year to watch games impartially and build his staff as he wanted it. He wanted...the head coach of the Florida Tuskers, his son, and whoever was already here running the special teams, because that doesn't matter apparently.

That was what careful design got the Washington Redskins. The idea that forcing Shanahan to fire his handpicked coaching staff and hire from only what is currently available (in this case, he would be picking from names that can not find identical positions elsewhere) would lead to better results seems far-fetched.

And that doesn't even address the issue with the job that Mike Shanahan, specifically, has done. It ignores it.

It seems to me that if Shanahan has exceeded your expectations because of the job he did getting the team to rally in 2012, then Kyle Shanahan (specifically) and Jim Haslett (indirectly) should be getting a ton of the credit too. If you think that Shanahan's assistants are problems that cannot be overcome, the answer that follows from that thought process is to clean house, and get a more complementary staff in here that believes in a common goal.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1043010]I understand where the people who believe that the Redskins should keep Mike Shanahan and hire three new coordinators are coming from, I just can't believe that they think it's the best course of action.

In 2009, Shanahan got a full year to watch games impartially and build his staff as he wanted it. He wanted...the head coach of the Florida Tuskers, his son, and whoever was already here running the special teams, because that doesn't matter apparently.

That was what careful design got the Washington Redskins. The idea that forcing Shanahan to fire his handpicked coaching staff and hire from only what is currently available (in this case, he would be picking from names that can not find identical positions elsewhere) would lead to better results seems far-fetched.

And that doesn't even address the issue with the job that Mike Shanahan, specifically, has done. It ignores it.

It seems to me that if Shanahan has exceeded your expectations because of the job he did getting the team to rally in 2012, then Kyle Shanahan (specifically) and Jim Haslett (indirectly) should be getting a ton of the credit too. If you think that Shanahan's assistants are problems that cannot be overcome, the answer that follows from that thought process is to clean house, and get a more complementary staff in here that believes in a common goal.[/quote]

Just wait till next year if they keep him, spend a lot of money on signing FA's and have a bad season. It will be kill Shanahan, I can't believe we retained him!! Then there's the other side of the coin. I say stay tuned and see what happens, still 6 games to play.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1043010][B]I understand where the people who believe that the Redskins should keep Mike Shanahan and hire three new coordinators are coming from, I just can't believe that they think it's the best course of action.[/B]

In 2009, Shanahan got a full year to watch games impartially and build his staff as he wanted it. He wanted...the head coach of the Florida Tuskers, his son, and whoever was already here running the special teams, because that doesn't matter apparently.

That was what careful design got the Washington Redskins. The idea that forcing Shanahan to fire his handpicked coaching staff and hire from only what is currently available (in this case, he would be picking from names that can not find identical positions elsewhere) would lead to better results seems far-fetched.

And that doesn't even address the issue with the job that Mike Shanahan, specifically, has done. It ignores it.

It seems to me that if Shanahan has exceeded your expectations because of the job he did getting the team to rally in 2012, then Kyle Shanahan (specifically) and Jim Haslett (indirectly) should be getting a ton of the credit too. If you think that Shanahan's assistants are problems that cannot be overcome, the answer that follows from that thought process is to clean house, and get a more complementary staff in here that believes in a common goal.[/quote]

Just for clarity, my remarks above were "what if" only. Personally I'd like to see a fresh face on the sideline next year.

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Well, neither Haslett nor Danny Smith were his 1st choice

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[quote=Lotus;1043013]Just for clarity, my remarks above were "what if" only. Personally I'd like to see a fresh face on the sideline next year.[/quote]For the record, that is how I read your take re: three new systems. I was responding generally/did not quote you.

I do feel like you did a good job giving voice to the "what if" perspective.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1043014]Well, neither Haslett nor Danny Smith were his 1st choice[/quote]Who was Shanny's first choice for DC?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1043014]Well, neither Haslett nor Danny Smith were his 1st choice[/quote]I remember he wanted Zimmer.

Which is fine. The point is that he wouldn't likely get his first choice this time through either.

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[quote=Lotus;1043009]If we keep MS as coach, we will need a serious coaching staff shakeup. Kyle will have to (and maybe want to) go. I like Kyle and think that he does a good job overall. But our offense cannot remain hostage to Shanahan family bickering.

And of course Haslett and Burns will have to go because their units grossly underperform.

So if we keep MS we still should start 2014 with 3 new systems.[/quote]

And it begs the questions:

Would Mike be up for starting over with new OC, DC, and ST coaches?
Would any quality coaches want to work with Mike?

I think OC/DC candidates could look at it like an interview for possible HC in 2015. But I also have long suspected not a lot of guys want to work with Mike. Why else have we been stuck with Haslett all this time while so many fantastic 3-4 DCs came available? Same could be said for ST and even OC.

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Watching Rob Ryan work miracles with the Saints D (bottom of the league last season) just one season into the 3-4 hybrid makes you ask so many questions about the Redskins.

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[quote=The Goat;1043023]Watching Rob Ryan work miracles with the Saints D (bottom of the league last season) just one season into the 3-4 hybrid makes you ask so many questions about the Redskins.[/quote]

Even if we have the DC of all time this defense would still suck. Not sticking up for Haslett, just this defense lacks talent at key positions.