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[quote=NC_Skins;1047798]Have the Atlanta Falcons pulled Matt Ryan? No.
Have the Pittsburgh Steelers pulled Ben Roethlisberger? No.
Have the Buffalo Bills pulled EJ Manuel? No.
Did the Minnesota Vikings pull Adrian Peterson? No.





SO why in the fuck should the Redskins pull RGIII even though the season is lost? To protect him? Well fuck, why not just sit him out the next year as well. May get hurt you know. /facepalm

This kid needs all the work he can get.[/quote]

This and then some.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1047798]Have the Atlanta Falcons pulled Matt Ryan? No.
Have the Pittsburgh Steelers pulled Ben Roethlisberger? No.
Have the Buffalo Bills pulled EJ Manuel? No.
Did the Minnesota Vikings pull Adrian Peterson? No.





SO why in the fuck should the Redskins pull RGIII even though the season is lost? To protect him? Well fuck, why not just sit him out the next year as well. May get hurt you know. /facepalm

This kid needs all the work he can get.[/quote]

Absolutely. He needed to sit in weeks 1-4 not now. He needs work and live game action is the best experience he can get.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1047798]Have the Atlanta Falcons pulled Matt Ryan? No.
Have the Pittsburgh Steelers pulled Ben Roethlisberger? No.
Have the Buffalo Bills pulled EJ Manuel? No.
Did the Minnesota Vikings pull Adrian Peterson? No.





SO why in the fuck should the Redskins pull RGIII even though the season is lost? To protect him? Well fuck, why not just sit him out the next year as well. May get hurt you know. /facepalm

This kid needs all the work he can get.[/quote]

I don't agree with the..."he needs more reps" BS. We're 13 games in and RG3 has had a couple good games. Don't ya think he'd still be on the field if he was playing well?? Plus Ben R. and Ryan aren't playing as bad as RG3 is.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1047804]I don't agree with the..."he needs more reps" BS. We're 13 games in and RG3 has had a couple good games. Don't ya think he'd still be on the field if he was playing well?? Plus Ben R. and Ryan aren't playing as bad as RG3 is.[/QUOTE]

Dude cousins has looked bad also he has 4 tds and 5 ints and 2 fumbles in his career

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047804]I don't agree with the..."he needs more reps" BS. We're 13 games in and RG3 has had a couple good games. Don't ya think he'd still be on the field if he was playing well?? Plus Ben R. and Ryan aren't playing as bad as RG3 is.[/quote]So Eli should be benched for Nassib, no?

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[quote=FRPLG;1047775]I think DS has caused plenty of issues in the past. I am seriously struggling to see how this mess can be laid at his feet. Beyond the obvious notion that all of this ends at his doorstep at a certain point it has to be acknowledged that all of this has been caused by Shanny. What exactly did DS do to cause any of this? No one has really laid out a single thing other than that he had dinner with the team's QB. Having dinner with Rob caused Shanny to shit the bed for 4 straight years basically? I don't buy that at all. That's crap.[/quote]

He hired him!! :doh: Another failed hire by Dan.

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the stated reason for possibly benching rg3 has to do with his health and coming off major reconstructive knee surgery. not his performance ... so i dont think the ryan or big ben or eli comparisons are the same situations as none of them have had the offseason rg3 did.

we are talking about a 23 year old with 2 reconstrucitve knee surgeries to the same knee in the past 3 years.

why wouldnt you sit him for the next meaningless 3 games with a lame duck coach and an Offensive scheme that will not be here next year behind a crappy ass O line?

i understand people are pissed at mike im not happy with him either, but taking emotion out of the decision, you have to agree benching rg3 for the last meaningless games is the best thing to do.

the is zero point for him to continue to play for this lame duck coaching staff.

Twice this year opposing players said he shouldnt be playing after playing us.

you can hate mike but agree the best thing is to sit him and protect him.

why have rg3 play any more snaps for a shanny team and game plan?

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[quote=SouperMeister;1047720]Except he did check down repeatedly the first half against the Giants, and got into a nice rhythm. He needs to get better at looking off defenders. The INT that he telegraphed to D. Johnson last week should be a good learning experience.[/quote]

My bad for one qtr he checked down to his hot read. I'm not writing the guy off its just that RGIII pissed me off with all his media crap.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1047810]So Eli should be benched for Nassib, no?[/quote]

Eli has earned the right to stay on the field.

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A 2nd year QB that had no preseason doesn't need work?

Ok.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1047805]Dude cousins has looked bad also he has 4 tds and 5 ints and 2 fumbles in his career[/quote]

Give him the full week with the starters, give him the reps ( in practice) and then give him a few games as well. I don't expect him to light the world on fire though....

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047817]Eli has earned the right to stay on the field.[/quote]Certainly not with his play.

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[quote=Mattyk;1047818]A 2nd year QB that had no preseason doesn't need work?

Ok.[/quote]

Again though...it's not about him getting more reps. He's had 13 weeks of reps. He's coming off a major surgery, behind a shitty line and he's not playing well. All reasons to sit him down. MS isn't being 100% truthful but I really don't care. He's not my wife and I don't need him to tell me the truth.

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Yeah why not protect Eli for next year? It's clearly a lost season for them. Why not get the young guy some experience?

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I agree with sitting RG3. Don't take any chances at this point. Make sure he has a full offseason. Getting snaps in an offense that won't be here next year won't hurt RG3. It will give us potential trade power on Cousins if he plays well.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1047820]Certainly not with his play.[/quote]

Of course not. He's played terrible all year. But he's a two time SB winner and therefore he's not getting sat down.

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Here's the obvious posturing that Shanahan is doing: none of the final three opponents on the schedule are going to get anywhere near Griffin. Dallas might try to blitz him, maybe. But Atlanta and New York can't get after the passer at all. Griffin is as safe as anyone from injury these last three weeks. Shanahan's argument is a red herring.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047821]Again though...it's not about him getting more reps. He's had 13 weeks of reps. He's coming off a major surgery, behind a shitty line and he's not playing well. All reasons to sit him down. MS isn't being 100% truthful but I really don't care. He's not my wife and I don't need him to tell me the truth.[/quote]

Not sure how you expect him to get better on the bench.

The Cowboys didn't bench Aikman his rookie year when they went 1-15 and he took an absolute beating.

Young QBs that were drafted high are rarely playing under the best of circumstances. But they need to play to improve.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047824]Of course not. He's played terrible all year. But he's a two time SB winner and therefore he's not getting sat down.[/quote]And they traded a crap ton of picks to get him. Just not as much as we dealt for Griffin. Earned on arrival.

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gtripp and matty, i really like and give a ton of credence to both you guys opinions and thoughts but the last 2 pages both of have you have been talking as if rg3 didnt have major knee surgery last year . . . . im frustrated to but i want rg3 ready for the next coach and his o scheme

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[quote=over the mountain;1047828]gtripp and matty, i really like and give a ton of credence to both you guys opinions and thoughts but the last 2 pages both of have you have been talking as if rg3 didnt have major knee surgery last year . . . . im frustrated to but i want rg3 ready for the next coach and his o scheme[/quote]

RG3 is going to be more ready for the next coach if he stays and plays. Sitting on the bench won't do anything for his development.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1047798]Have the Atlanta Falcons pulled Matt Ryan? No.
Have the Pittsburgh Steelers pulled Ben Roethlisberger? No.
Have the Buffalo Bills pulled EJ Manuel? No.
Have the NY Giants pulled Eli Manning? No.
Did the Minnesota Vikings pull Adrian Peterson? No.





SO why in the fuck should the Redskins pull RGIII even though the season is lost? To protect him? Well fuck, why not just sit him out the next year as well. May get hurt you know. /facepalm

This kid needs all the work he can get.[/quote]
This

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[quote=Brody81;1047812]He hired him!! :doh: Another failed hire by Dan.[/quote]

Right and we can argue over whether he should have known better but ultimately he did hire him and has to own that. That doesn't make him responsible for the crap that Shanny is pulling. Be mad at DS for hiring MS. But hold back enough of that and aim it at MS for he is the one causing the problems currently.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1047825]Here's the obvious posturing that Shanahan is doing: none of the final three opponents on the schedule are going to get anywhere near Griffin. Dallas might try to blitz him, maybe. [B]But Atlanta and New York can't get after the passer at all. [/B]Griffin is as safe as anyone from injury these last three weeks. Shanahan's argument is a red herring.[/quote]

Um...didn't you watch Justin Tuck abuse Polumbus and Chester? Everyone can rush that passer against our line.

Re: How would you feel if Shanahan benches RGIII?
 

[quote=over the mountain;1047828]gtripp and matty, i really like and give a ton of credence to both you guys opinions and thoughts but the last 2 pages both of have you have been talking as if rg3 didnt have major knee surgery last year . . . . im frustrated to but i want rg3 ready for the next coach and his o scheme[/quote]He did have major knee surgery last year, and I'm not sure why that's relevant here. It was probably a factor in the Week 1 start/sit decision. But he's almost a full year out. We're now in the "point" period of the 99.**% healthy/recovered. You can round up to 100%.

He's taken a billion hits this season so I'm sure Griffin isn't healthy at this point between all the ailments one gets from playing through a football season. Resting him will heal those ailments, sure, but it doesn't really matter if he rests now or in three weeks. When he returns for March in OTA's he's going to be 100%. If he gets an injury in the next three weeks, that's really unfortunate, but the season isn't over yet and they can't just play it like he is.

Cousins could tear something too if he's playing, and then you lose whatever trade value you had on him.

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[quote=over the mountain;1047828]gtripp and matty, i really like and give a ton of credence to both you guys opinions and thoughts but the last 2 pages both of have you have been talking as if rg3 didnt have major knee surgery last year . . . . im frustrated to but i want rg3 ready for the next coach and his o scheme[/quote]

You are worried about RG3's knee now? The beginnning of the season was when he needed to sit but he's now 13 weeks in so let him play. I never knew anyone getting better by not playing and RG3 sure can get better so he needs to play.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1047827]And they traded a crap ton of picks to get him. Just not as much as we dealt for Griffin. Earned on arrival.[/quote]

True, but again, Eli has two rings and that earns him the right to play through his slump. Big difference w/ rings and draft pick status.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047834]Um...didn't you watch Justin Tuck abuse Polumbus and Chester? Everyone can rush that passer against our line.[/quote]It's a fair point, although they really didn't get very much pressure on Griffin that game. Two of Tuck's sacks were a result of Griffin extending the play.

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[quote=Mattyk;1047826]Not sure how you expect him to get better on the bench.

The Cowboys didn't bench Aikman his rookie year when they went 1-15 and he took an absolute beating.

Young QBs that were drafted high are rarely playing under the best of circumstances. But they need to play to improve.[/quote]

True, but Aikman didn't have multiple knee injuries either. 3 games isn't a big deal. RG3 needs to sit. He's had a bad year and needs to be humbled. Hopefully he'll learn from this and he'll be the player we all want him to be.

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if he wasnt coming off major injury, it be different for me but i love your sig from frplg so im gonna move on.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047837]True, but again, Eli has two rings and that earns him the right to play through his slump. Big difference w/ rings and draft pick status.[/quote]Basically, you point out correctly WHY Eli isn't going to sit despite his performance, and you're missing why Griffin is in an identical situation here. Kirk Cousins is Ryan Nassib. He shouldn't play unless the starter can't go.

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[quote=irish;1047836]You are worried about RG3's knee now? The beginnning of the season was when he needed to sit but he's now 13 weeks in so let him play. I never knew anyone getting better by not playing and RG3 sure can get better so he needs to play.[/quote]

i was literally the only person on here saying rg3 should sit the first 4 weeks and then start after the bye.

i was ridiculed and made fun of.

im sure matty and some others could at least attest to that.

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[quote=over the mountain;1047842]i was literally the only person on here saying rg3 should sit the first 4 weeks and then start after the bye.

i was ridiculed and made fun of.

im sure matty and some others could at least attest to that.[/quote]Your position has been consistent, but so has mine and I didn't think there was any reason to not play Griffin then or now. It's perfectly okay to play someone at less than 100%. It is in fact, impossible to field a team if you aren't willing to do that.

I think what people are saying is that not playing Griffin before was defensible (I don't know if I agree), but not playing him now is just petty.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047839]True, but Aikman didn't have multiple knee injuries either. 3 games isn't a big deal. RG3 needs to sit. He's had a bad year and needs to be humbled. Hopefully he'll learn from this and he'll be the player we all want him to be.[/quote]

I thought you were in favor of him being in there from day 1 in camp, practicing, playing in the preseason, etc.

But now regular season reps aren't important, especially 3 games worth? Just having a hard time wrapping my head around that.

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[quote=over the mountain;1047828]gtripp and matty, i really like and give a ton of credence to both you guys opinions and thoughts but the last 2 pages both of have you have been talking as if rg3 didnt have major knee surgery last year . . . . im frustrated to but i want rg3 ready for the next coach and his o scheme[/quote]

A little late for that don't you think?

Just based on how he moves now compared to the beginning of the season it's clear he's much healthier now.

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[quote=over the mountain;1047842]i was literally the only person on here saying rg3 should sit the first 4 weeks and then start after the bye.

i was ridiculed and made fun of.

im sure matty and some others could at least attest to that.[/quote]

I hear ya but what I'm saying is its 13 weeks in and its way past time for using the knee as a reason for sitting him. When they are out of it next year should he sit because he's had multiple knee injuries?

The bottom line to me is this is big boy football and these guys get paid a lot of money to play and if they can play then they should.

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[quote=over the mountain;1047842][B]i was literally the only person on here saying rg3 should sit the first 4 weeks and then start after the bye.[/B]

i was ridiculed and made fun of.

im sure matty and some others could at least attest to that.[/quote]

Pretty sure there were others.

I wouldn't have had a problem with that if they came out and announced that plan from day 1.

But right now, that's kinda old news.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1047841]Basically, you point out correctly WHY Eli isn't going to sit despite his performance, and you're missing why Griffin is in an identical situation here. Kirk Cousins is Ryan Nassib. He shouldn't play unless the starter can't go.[/quote]

Right now, Eli has a longer leash than RG3.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1047850]Right now, Eli has a longer leash than RG3.[/quote]He hasn't earned one.

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[quote=Mattyk;1047845]I thought you were in favor of him being in there from day 1 in camp, practicing, playing in the preseason, etc.

But now regular season reps aren't important, especially 3 games worth? Just having a hard time wrapping my head around that.[/quote]

Yep.. sitting him out in pre season practices and all the pre season games was BS. As we see now, he needed the work. He wasn't good enough to walk out there and play, no 2nd year guy coming off a serious injury would be. The tides have turned now. He's been playing and practicing for 15 weeks or so? He's regressing on the field and making the same mistakes over and over again. He should be benched for his play AND to get him into the off season so he's 100% healthy. I have no issue with what MS is doing.