[QUOTE=SBXVII;1048083]The only thing, the only thing that makes RG3 special is his legs. Meaning he's fast and he can run. Yes I'm all for a QB who has mobility so he can get away from pressure unlike Sexy Rexy, but I'd prefer my QB to stay in the pocket and go through is progressions if at all possible. Which brings me back to the OL which sucks.[/QUOTE]

He happens to also have a cannon for an arm. If he can get his mechanics rite it would be a lethal arm too.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048078]Here is Cooley's comments regarding RG3 and the coaches.



[url=http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/chris_cooley_believes_mike_shanahan_is_ready_to_cut_ties_with_rg3/15279239?linksrc=story_team_washington_redskins_auto_module_head_15279239]Chris Cooley believes Mike Shanahan is ready to cut ties with RG3[/url][/quote]

If shannahan didn't want RG3 why pick RG3. That is just stupid. The redskins are not sucessful because the entire team and all the schemes suck.

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Whats really funny is I go check out several news sites and they all were suggesting RG3 be benched a week ago or more and when MS does it the fans here blow up. LOL. Clearly nothing will make us fans happy.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048083]The only thing, the only thing that makes RG3 special is his legs. Meaning he's fast and he can run. Yes I'm all for a QB who has mobility so he can get away from pressure unlike Sexy Rexy, but I'd prefer my QB to stay in the pocket and go through is progressions if at all possible. Which brings me back to the OL which sucks.[/quote]

Rememebr John Beck, you are wiching fo rteh good ole days. Shanny tried this before and it failed.

[QUOTE=SBXVII;1048086]Whats really funny is I go check out several news sites and they all were suggesting RG3 be benched a week ago or more and when MS does it the fans here blow up. LOL. Clearly nothing will make us fans happy.[/QUOTE]

Its the timing of it all. Suddenly now he is protecting Griff? Come on man....

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[quote=punch it in;1048084]He happens to also have a cannon for an arm. If he can get his mechanics rite it would be a lethal arm too.[/quote]

I guess it's nice to have a canon for an arm if your firing for effect. That canon does the team no good if the ball does not get to the WR or the WR does not get to the ball. Most of his long balls this year have been over throws. It's not like he's threading a needle with his long ball, and you don't need a canon of an arm for 5 to 15 yrd passes.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048078]Here is Cooley's comments regarding RG3 and the coaches.



[URL="http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/chris_cooley_believes_mike_shanahan_is_ready_to_cut_ties_with_rg3/15279239?linksrc=story_team_washington_redskins_auto_module_head_15279239"]Chris Cooley believes Mike Shanahan is ready to cut ties with RG3[/URL][/quote]

There's probably some truth to this. However, I don't think they're ready to move on from him. I doubt that. It's not going to matter anyway cause they're probably going to be fired.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048087]Rememebr John Beck, you are wiching fo rteh good ole days. Shanny tried this before and it failed.[/quote]

Beck? no. but am wiching for a QB who is like Aaron Rodgers, one who will sit in the pocket and deliver the ball, but will run from pressure if need be. Beck was not the latter.

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A player put the team on his back, got you the NFC East Championship and he is not the right pick. Total BS.

[QUOTE=SBXVII;1048089]I guess it's nice to have a canon for an arm if your firing for effect. That canon does the team no good if the ball does not get to the WR or the WR does not get to the ball. Most of his long balls this year have been over throws. It's not like he's threading a needle with his long ball, and you don't need a canon of an arm for 5 to 15 yrd passes.[/QUOTE]

Thats why i said he needs to work on his mechanics

[QUOTE=Gmanc711;1048000]I will say this, I'm more excited to watch this game because Cousins is starting, hoping he does well and we can turn that into picks....



/picks up the Falcons defense for my fantasy playoffs.....[/QUOTE]


This.. Maybe they will score some points now..


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[quote=SBXVII;1048091]Beck? no. but am wiching for a QB who is like Aaron Rodgers, one who will sit in the pocket and deliver the ball, but will run from pressure if need be. Beck was not the latter.[/quote]

You need an offense for that. Shannahan's offense is not what you looking for. With a drop back QB his offense sucks, with a running Qb his offense sucks. His only decent season was running read option. Any season he ran his own offense, his offense sucked.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048083]The only thing, the only thing that makes RG3 special is his legs. Meaning he's fast and he can run. Yes I'm all for a QB who has mobility so he can get away from pressure unlike Sexy Rexy, but I'd prefer my QB to stay in the pocket and go through is progressions if at all possible. Which brings me back to the OL which sucks.[/quote]

If you look at his college game compared to Cousins he is much better at downfield passing than Kirk while Kirk was better at short and intermediate. Also in reference to Eli manning being a game manager that is a ridiculous statement.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1048090]There's probably some truth to this. However, I don't think they're ready to move on from him. I doubt that. It's not going to matter anyway cause they're probably going to be fired.[/quote]

I think we all said the same thing last year, no? why give up the farm for RG3 then two rounds later draft another QB? Unless RG3 was not the guy MS wanted and he was buying insurance with Cousins?

What's the chance Snyder had something to do with RG3 getting picked? Also RG3 was the second best QB according to all the draft boards and media. So the team picks RG3 cause he's the second best QB but they draft a guy, Cousins, whom they think fits better in their system?

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1048098]If you look at his college game compared to Cousins he is much better at downfield passing than Kirk while Kirk was better at short and intermediate. Also in reference to Eli manning being a game manager that is a ridiculous statement.[/quote]

Wait, what? I was referring to Eli not being very mobile. He's not known as a running QB like RG3. He's known for managing a game and sitting in the pocket and delivering the ball, but CAN scramble a little to avoid pressure if need be.

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Well like someone said earlier...

[url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/12/11/report-skins-players-told-grossman-will-backup-cousins-not-griffin/]Report: Skins’ Players Told Grossman Will Backup Cousins, Not Griffin « CBS DC[/url]

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048097]You need an offense for that. Shannahan's offense is not what you looking for. With a drop back QB his offense sucks, with a running Qb his offense sucks. His only decent season was running read option. Any season he ran his own offense, his offense sucked.[/quote]

Sigh. Personally I don't think this is Shanahan's offense. It hardly looks like what he ran in Denver. To me that is. Yea the first two years clearly MS style of ball. Last year looked like KS and MS came up with some cocka meme scheme of adding the read option to their system to help RG3 make plays and to help the team win. Now after RG3's injury this year looks like they have tried to move away from the read option plays (maybe due to RG3's injury) and more towards MS's offense. Especially these last two games.

Why would RG3 need help? cause he didn't come to the team until after what June? he didn't have a full season with the coaches to study film, coach him up on reading defenses, and learning their play book. So the easiest thing to do is incorporate what RG3 knows and does well into their offense. It worked. This last year he spend all summer rehabbing. Could he have been at the office studying film with KS all summer? IDK.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1048039]Do any of you honestly think... that if Cousins comes in and plays like he did against Cleveland, that he's getting traded? That's simply not going to happen. What's going to happen is there's going to be a full blown QB controversy come training camp. In the end, as Redskin fans, don't we just want the best guy to play? If that's RG3, Cousins or Pat White, I just want the best guy out there. Some of you are too wrapped in your emotional investment with RG3. lol.[/quote]

I just want to win, I don't give a crap who it is. That said; I'm personally convinced that this year with RG3 was more to do with the injury than inability to be a great QB. I think he will be a great QB, and is the future of this franchise. I think Cousins, if he has legit value, will be traded in the off-season to help recap picks. If Cousins garners no more than we paid for him (a 4th round pick), I don't think he goes anywhere.

I don't care who it is; but Cousins one good game and one good throw against Baltimore last year, doesn't make me thing he is suddenly better than the guy who electrified the league a year ago.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1048092]A player put the team on his back, got you the NFC East Championship and he is not the right pick. Total BS.[/quote]

And played with a sprained MCL while doing so in the last three games...

What a terrible QB must be....

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As long as we see a pitch to Josh Morgan that turns in to a pass to Cousins downfield

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Thsibsi all about power, has nothing to do with football. If you didn't want RG3 then do''t draft RG3 real simple. If you are in charge of personel which is Shannahan's title then you don't draft RG3, if you didn't want RG3. It's about power. Shanny coaching sucks, defense sucks special teams suck. None of that has to do with RG3.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1047999]Who would have thought Jim Zorn would be made to look good by MS after this shit show[/quote]*raises hand*

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You have a QB with a strong arm and good intelligence and the only play you can think of is an option play? Mike your son is not a very good offensive coordinator. We are 3-9 because this is the same system run in houston. NFL has passed that system good bye.

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Robert just never looked healthy those first few games. I know people will say this and that, but it looked like more than knee brace. Oh, well. All water under the bridge I guess.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048102]Wait, what? I was referring to Eli not being very mobile. He's not known as a running QB like RG3. He's known for managing a game and sitting in the pocket and delivering the ball, but CAN scramble a little to avoid pressure if need be.[/quote]

Fair enough. I thought you were saying Kirk Cousins and Eli were the same type of player.

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In hindsight, when you look at how Shanny handled Albert Haynesworth, Fred Davis, McNabb, and now Robert -- this guy isn't a player's coach. More specifically, players with big personas and egos. Just wasn't a good fit from the beginning.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/3774/benching-rg-iii-cant-just-be-about-health?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed]Redskins: Benching Robert Griffin III can't just be about health - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SBXVII;1048013]We have Atlanta which was a playoff team last yr and not really terrible this year, Dallas, and the Giants left to play.

Again what if: Cousins plays well, looks good in a traditional West Coast Offense, and the team wins all 3 games? would that be good enough reason to keep MS one more yr, start Cousins next yr, and only bring someone new in at DC? Then between the draft and the $36 mill upgrade the OL, WR, and defense side of the ball?[/quote]

If Robert can't outscore his own defense, Kirk won't be able to either.

Robert's also running for his life and sometimes getting nailed a second after receiving the snap. I don't think Kirk is any quicker or a better escape artist.

As great as this line seems to be at run blocking, they're as equally bad at pass protection. It doesn't make sense, but I don't think any QB could succeed behind Tyler Polumbus and this line.


If Shanahan's real objective here is keeping a young QB and team asset healthy as the team struggles, we should be playing Rex Grossman the rest of the way.

I bet we'll see him before the year is over, probably when Polumbus lets Osi Umenyiora run right past him and concusses Kirk this week.

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Worst possible thing a team can do is quit. Thanks guys.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1048123]Worst possible thing a team can do is quit. Thanks guys.[/quote]

I thought they had already quit.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1048116]Fair enough. I thought you were saying Kirk Cousins and Eli were the same type of player.[/quote]

I'm not saying he is or isn't. What I am saying is RG3's style is not like Eli's and Eli's style is not like RG3's. I'd like to have a QB like Eli, Rodgers, Peyton, etc. etc. I don't have to have a QB who is a running QB, I just need one who can avoid the rush.

Calling RG-3 QB-3 on the radio. Can we as a fan base just pony up the 7 mill yo get Shanny(who I am proud to say I have hated on several times even dating back to last year) the hell out of Washington now?

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;1048128]I'm not saying he is or isn't. What I am saying is RG3's style is not like Eli's and Eli's style is not like RG3's. I'd like to have a QB like Eli, Rodgers, Peyton, etc. etc. I don't have to have a QB who is a running QB, I just need one who can avoid the rush.[/QUOTE]

Well you could also be patient and see if a full and healthy offseason, a "real" headcoach and OC, a halfway decent O-line, and another WR can make Griff great again. You know there have been other great qb's who run alot. Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Steve Mcnair, Roger Staubach, John Elway - were they good qb's? Without their legs none of them would be who they are today. Griff needs to work on his mechanics, not throwing off his back foot, etc and he can be great too. You make it seem like he is Mike Vick, and he is not.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1048120]If Robert can't outscore his own defense, Kirk won't be able to either.

Robert's also running for his life and sometimes getting nailed a second after receiving the snap. I don't think Kirk is any quicker or a better escape artist.

As great as this line seems to be at run blocking, they're as equally bad at pass protection. It doesn't make sense, but I don't think any QB could succeed behind Tyler Polumbus and this line.


[B]If Shanahan's real objective here is keeping a young QB and team asset healthy as the team struggles, we should be playing Rex Grossman the rest of the way.[/B]

I bet we'll see him before the year is over, probably when Polumbus lets Osi Umenyiora run right past him and concusses Kirk this week.[/quote]

I basically never agree with you, but when I do...it's NOW!!!!

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[quote=punch it in;1048129]Calling RG-3 QB-3 on the radio. Can we as a fan base just pony up the 7 mill yo get Shanny(who I am proud to say I have hated on several times even dating back to last year) the hell out of Washington now?[/quote]Setting Shanahan on fire > Firing Shanahan

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1048110]Thsibsi all about power, has nothing to do with football. If you didn't want RG3 then do''t draft RG3 real simple. If you are in charge of personel which is Shannahan's title then you don't draft RG3, if you didn't want RG3. It's about power. Shanny coaching sucks, defense sucks special teams suck. None of that has to do with RG3.[/quote]

I just think there is a lot WE fans don't know. Everyone her acts and assumes MS sat back and said "I want RG3." Then wrote on the draft slip RG3, then walked it all the way up to the podium for the announcement, "RG3." and now after 2 years has decided RG3 is not our guy and lets throw RG3 under the bus for good measure.

Is there a possibility RG3 was Snyder's guy? Any chance Snyder stepped up yet again and said I want him on this team? Remember RG3 was garnering more press then Luck. I guess what I'm trying to say is this would not be the first time Snyder stepped in and meddled with the team. WE all Know that. I'm not saying thats what happened but why go out and draft another QB so high if RG3 is your guy?

Your right this team does suck. Defense especially. If that side of the ball could just hold teams to under 25 points we would have won a lot of games this year. It didn't happen. As far as coaching I'm not going to argue with you too much, this team sucked the first two years and most HC's have a plan, you either draft your QB and build around him or you build a team and then draft the QB. Ms looked to be doing the latter, but the OL has not gotten better in 4 yrs, only 1 upgrade a WR, and the defense has been digressing all 4 yrs. But ...as my best excuse to defend Shanny, you don't go out and buy a Nascar car and drive it through the city. Their not made for stop signs and stop lights and stop and go traffic. So you re route yourself so your car can hit the open road, more straight aways, less traffic lights. I think this is what MS did. He changed his system to fit RG3. Maybe butchered his system all together for RG3. and now that RG3 can't run as fast as he did last yr because of the brace then all those designed run plays won't fool defenses anymore so you have to change the scheme up again. I just think MS has done the best he could with what he had, QB wise. The building of the OL and other spots I blame him big time. Piss poor job.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1048132]I basically never agree with you, but when I do...it's NOW!!!![/quote]

LOL. I agree too but I'd be too afraid Sexy Rexy would do too well and we all would be wondering WTF? LOL

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1048134]Setting Shanahan on fire > Firing Shanahan[/QUOTE]

We could do both

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[quote=SBXVII;1048030]Look RG3 is the fan favorite I get that. RG3 must have been DS's boy he wanted I get that. [B]but what if MS can prove that RG3 has trouble reading defenses? Cousins shows better as a pocket passer and reading defenses?[/B] Do we still just trade away Cousins, keep the fan favorite RG3, and move on?[/quote]

There is next to no chance of this move being successful, but if it is, it would be an even bigger indictment of Shannahan since he gave up the farm to get Griffin. The only thing that it would prove is that he should have no control over personnel, which he has already proven at this point.

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I've been anti-Shanahan for years so this is no surprise to me. But Snyder and Griffin and the rest of this dysfunctional mess is all equally to blame. As are the media and the fans.

Despite obvious issues and flaws and the history of the past 20 years, especially under Snyder, fans continued to shell out money to buy tickets, merchandise, etc and keep this raging dumpster fire going.

Nothing is going to change anytime remotely soon. Get used to five wins or less per season for probably a period of several years. It's really sad how this once proud, successful franchise has become one of the worst in pro sports.