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Going back to last year I think Kelly and the Eagles are well established as an offensive powerhouse.

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[quote=jamf;1085656]They are a solid offense but rankings don't mean anything this early.
They've played 3 shitty defense. If they light up SF for 37pts then i will be impressed.[/quote]

Did you miss the part of my post of the stats from last season?

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What was so disappointing about giving up 30 points was we contained both McCoy and Sproles. Riley got exposed, Macklin and the rookie just abused us. Not sure putting Merriweather in there was a good idea as he'd been out for a few weeks, but there was no other option. Thomas and Rambo have turned out to be bad draft picks as neither have contributed anything at all.

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[quote=Defensewins;1085639]The Eagles are currently the #2 ranked offense in the NFL in scoring and #3 overall.
Redskins are coming off a 3-13 season and our defense was terrible in 2013.
QB Nick Foles and Chip Kelly's offense is very good and well respected.

Found this: In Week 9 of 2013 Nick Foles became the second NFL quarterback to post a perfect passer rating (158.3) while passing for more than 400 yards, and the first NFL quarterback to post a perfect passer rating and throw seven touchdowns in a single game. Foles holds the best TD-INT ratio in the NFL with 27 touchdown passes and only 2 interceptions which he accomplished during the 2013 season,
This has to factor into it a little bit.
While I am disappointed our defense did not play better, we were playing a very good offense and QB.[/quote]

Time to start giving Foles the respect he deserves. He's a pretty damn good QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1085668]Time to start giving Foles the respect he deserves. He's a pretty damn good QB.[/quote]

Yeah I have been reluctant to do so, but the man is good, and tough as well. In the second half he was getting hit left and right, gotta see if his body can keep up that kind of toughness getting smacked every week with that O Line in shambles.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1085668]Time to start giving Foles the respect he deserves. He's a pretty damn good QB.[/quote]

They have nothing but love for him in Philly and that is a rare thing.

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[quote=Defensewins;1085663]Did you miss the part of my post of the stats from last season?[/quote]

No, but that was last year.
I said they are a good offense but I wouldn't go as far as matty did and call them a power house(this year).

They are missing their best deep threat and there is a year of game film on them.
Spoles helps but I want to see them play a team with a defense that isn't historically bad like the skins and jags.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1085672]Yeah I have been reluctant to do so, but the man is good, and tough as well. In the second half he was getting hit left and right, gotta see if his body can keep up that kind of toughness getting smacked every week with that O Line in shambles.[/quote]

Foles is the real deal. Sunday's game confirmed that in my mind. Our D was disappointing. Period. It wasn't like we turned the ball over and put them in a bad position, or had crappy punts that put them in a bad position. (In fact, Way has been stout -- best punter we've had (so far) in a while.) 30 points on sustained drives; that doesn't happen to good defenses, and we're not there yet. The injuries are rough, and exposing the lack of depth. Cofield, Hatcher (hopefully it is mild), Nield -- if Baker gets hurt, we're screwed in the middle. Ihenacho, Hall, Thomas -- all tough injuries in the secondary; two guys out for the year, another sufficiently dinged up that we stashed him on the practice squad.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1085666]Thomas and Rambo have turned out to be bad draft picks as neither have contributed anything at all.[/quote]

Thomas may still turn out to be alright.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1085672]Yeah I have been reluctant to do so, but the man is good, and tough as well. In the second half he was getting hit left and right, gotta see if his body can keep up that kind of toughness getting smacked every week with that O Line in shambles.[/quote]

There was a time not too long ago when we had an OC here who dreamed of Peyton Manning as the QB with Foles learning under him for 2-3 years. But that was then, and this is now

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[quote=SmootSmack;1085686]There was a time not too long ago when we had an OC here who dreamed of Peyton Manning as the QB with Foles learning under him for 2-3 years. But that was then, and this is now[/quote]

Holy smokes.

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So did Champ completely burned a bridge when he left the Redskins?

[url]https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter/posts/824696764249633[/url]

If not, I wouldn't mind seeing him at FS.

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I'm somewhat surprised that their haven't been any vets brought in to workout. I'd give Champ a shot, hell, at this point I'd give anyone a shot.

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Champ is done.

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[quote=Mattyk;1085721]Champ is done.[/quote]

Well, People said the same about Deon and McNabb. Lol

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Did you want to throw......Albert Haynesworth in the mix as well?

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[quote=Hog1;1085746]Did you want to throw......Albert Haynesworth in the mix as well?[/quote]

Throw him into the middle of the Atlantic Ocean would be fine with me .

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[quote=budw38;1085748]Throw him into the middle of the Atlantic Ocean would be fine with me .[/quote]Fat Albert's probably still in the middle of court.

[url=http://www.brokeandbroker.com/2087/haynesworth-finra-arbitration-citigroup-morgan-stanley/]Former NFL Star Haynesworth In $30 Million Arbitration Against Citigroup And Morgan Stanley - BrokeAndBroker.com by Bill Singer, 917-520-2836[/url]

The POS actually got 400k last year. Hope it's already spoken for, and/or he chokes on it.

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[quote=Lotus;1085688]Holy smokes.[/quote]The Peyton thing, supposed insiders were saying while it happened. (I didn't believe it at the time, this was when Peyton was a FA, with an uncertain future with neck injury.). The Foles thing, though? I could be wrong but sounds like revisionist history, along with rumors we would have picked Russel Wilson instead of Cousins if we could have. It just seems too convenient to look with hindsight and say "we actually wanted THAT player."

Edit: I am wrong about the Foles rumors being revisionist history. Smootsmack is da man.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1085786]The Peyton thing, supposed insiders were saying while it happened. (I didn't believe it at the time, this was when Peyton was a FA, with an uncertain future with neck injury.). [B]The Foles thing, though? I could be wrong but sounds like revisionist history, along with rumors we would have picked Russel Wilson instead of Cousins if we could have. [/B] It just seems too convenient to look with hindsight and say "we actually wanted THAT player."[/quote]

Unless you are friends with Kyle Shanahan and therefore know what he wanted (I'm not talking about me).

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[quote=HailGreen28;1085786]The Peyton thing, supposed insiders were saying while it happened. (I didn't believe it at the time, this was when Peyton was a FA, with an uncertain future with neck injury.). The Foles thing, though? I could be wrong but sounds like revisionist history, along with rumors we would have picked Russel Wilson instead of Cousins if we could have. It just seems too convenient to look with hindsight and say "we actually wanted THAT player."[/quote]

Here's what I wrote on Feb. 9, 2012 (in response to someone saying we wanted Weeden"

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/46554-qb-apocalypse-the-seventh-sign-25.html#post883650[/url]

"Hmm. Had heard Kyle-Foles, Mike-Cousins, both kind of Tannehill"

Here's what I wrote on Feb. 12, 2012

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/46554-qb-apocalypse-the-seventh-sign-12.html#post884612[/url]

"But let's say we sign Peyton, then I could see a trade down into the later 2nd/early 3rd where you pick a guy like Foles or Cousins and/or maybe you find someway to add a 1st in 2013"

Here's what I wrote on Feb. 24, 2012

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/46738-10-thoughts-on-the-draft-2.html#post888441[/url]

"I've gotten the impression they like Tannehill and Foles more than Weeden"

There's probably more but I did say pretty often back in 2012 that Kyle liked Foles, Mike liked Cousins. Neither to start, but to develop

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Bumping old thread about secondary.. Any updates on Phillip Thomas? Is he done after only one year? There was a lot of hype last year, and then even in the spring, so when we released him & no one picked him up & landed on practice squad -- I'm assuming he's still not impressed / is still injured / or just plain sucks...?

And what the heck is going on with Tracy Porter. What a waste..

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I think Thomas will be called up very soon. Maybe after the bye. I don't know for sure but from what I've been told he's totally healthy and they're close to calling him up

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[quote=SmootSmack;1090684]I think Thomas will be called up very soon. Maybe after the bye. I don't know for sure but from what I've been told he's totally healthy and they're close to calling him up[/quote]

Awesome. It would be great to see him on the field to stay.

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Amazing how much the secondary has struggled without Hall to cover the #1 wr. Hoping he makes a full recovery but his age probably means it'll be tough for Hall to return to form. Our secondary is weak. But it could be fixed in a year, look at what denver did.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1090686]Amazing how much the secondary has struggled without Hall to cover the #1 wr. Hoping he makes a full recovery but his age probably means it'll be tough for Hall to return to form. Our secondary is weak. But it could be fixed in a year, look at what denver did.[/quote]

Yeah at safety in coverage they have struggled. Tree really struggled at first, but I think has gradually improved each game. Biggers is up and down. I think surely they have missed Hall, but I dont think its been as bad as I anticipated at CB. If your talking safety, then yeah its bad. Merrieweather hasnt been good and Clark is just old. Tracy Porter has been a predictable horrible signing

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Breeland last week.

1 Int, 5 tackles, 1 pd, 2 TFL and 2 of the tackles were third down stops a yard from the chain.

I think Breeland has alott of potential I really do hes been impressive. Clark over his head has been major.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1090686]Amazing how much the secondary has struggled without Hall to cover the #1 wr. Hoping he makes a full recovery but his age probably means it'll be tough for Hall to return to form. Our secondary is weak. But it could be fixed in a year, look at what denver did.[/quote]

Aside from an inefficient offense, secondary has been the major weakness of the defense. I think Amerson and Breeland have talent, but that's a lot of inexperience in an already weak secondary.

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Losing Hall was a killer. He was one of those guys we just couldn't afford to lose.

Future looks bright though with Amerson and Breeland.

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[quote=Mattyk;1090713][B]Losing Hall was a killer. [/B] He was one of those guys we just couldn't afford to lose.

Future looks bright though with Amerson and Breeland.[/quote]

If anyone doubts this, unfortunately Dez Bryant will make this clear on Monday.

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Wonder if Hall comes back next year? Thats a serious injury

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[quote=Skins4L;1090705]Breeland last week.

1 Int, 5 tackles, 1 pd, 2 TFL and 2 of the tackles were third down stops a yard from the chain.

I think Breeland has alott of potential I really do hes been impressive. [B]Clark over his head has been major.[/B][/quote]

Clark is missing tackles in bunches, cant do that as a safety

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[quote=Chico23231;1090717]Clark is missing tackles in bunches, cant do that as a safety[/quote]

Can't outrun father time. Clark might be helping the young guys more than we know, but his own on-field performance is declining. Definitely wouldn't mind an upgrade this offseason.

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[quote=Chico23231;1090716]Wonder if Hall comes back next year? Thats a serious injury[/quote]

I'm sure he'll be back, but if Breeland and Amerson keep improving, I would hesitate to give either starting job back to Hall. Maybe he finally makes the move to safety. Clark is on a 1 year deal, after all.

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[quote=SirLK26;1090719]I'm sure he'll be back, but if Breeland and Amerson keep improving, I would hesitate to give either starting job back to Hall. Maybe he finally makes the move to safety. Clark is on a 1 year deal, after all.[/quote]

thats a good point...i like Hall as a safety versus covering the slot. With all our safety issues, why not throw him in the mix? If it doesnt work out we can just rewalsr him.

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[quote=SirLK26;1090719]I'm sure he'll be back, but if Breeland and Amerson keep improving, I would hesitate to give either starting job back to Hall. Maybe he finally makes the move to safety. Clark is on a 1 year deal, after all.[/quote]

Hell yeah I like Hall at free safety going forward. He always has a nose for the ball and could probably add a few lbs of muscle to make it a perfect fit. Hall is a Redskin through and through.

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1090719]I'm sure he'll be back, but if Breeland and Amerson keep improving, I would hesitate to give either starting job back to Hall. Maybe he finally makes the move to safety. Clark is on a 1 year deal, after all.[/QUOTE]


I'm sure he wants to be back. Achilles is one of the tougher injuries to bounce back from. Luckily, I guess, it was in the beginning of the season so he has a long recovery window. I will be very curious to see what he looks like in camp next year.

I totally agree with you in moving him to safety or at least transitioning him to safety. He has more than shown he has the ball skills, and he doesn't mind getting physical. Just wonder about his ability to close on a play.

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D. Hall as safety is intriguing. I think he brings a lot to the table but the concept that he could just slide over and be the D's tackler of last resort is a bit of a reach. He very much has the CB mindset ("I'm on an island, my guy won't catch the ball.") Being a safety requires playing a lot more facing the QB than running with the WR.

IF he can make the transition, I am all for it. I just think it's a bigger transition and a bigger IF than folks make it out to be.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1090771]D. Hall as safety is intriguing. I think he brings a lot to the table but the concept that he could just slide over and be the D's tackler of last resort is a bit of a reach. He very much has the CB mindset ("I'm on an island, my guy won't catch the ball.") Being a safety requires playing a lot more facing the QB than running with the WR.

IF he can make the transition, I am all for it. I just think it's a bigger transition and a bigger IF than folks make it out to be.[/quote]

Wasn't there a time when his tackling and willingness to tackle were highly questionable? I know he has gotten better, but I just don't see Hall as a full time safety.

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As far as I remember those "questions" were unwarranted..