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I know we all hate on Haslett. But what is he suppose to do when these dummies are busting a basic cover 2?

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the solutions are obvious and achievable to me:

1. hire a GM
2. fire haslett
3. increase the college and NFL scouting dept budget so that we are top 15 in scout spending
4. cut/let walk - rak, bowen, pualsen, chester, porter, clark, riley (perhaps roberts, coefield [health questions], and garcon)
5. add a starter level FS, RT, CB1 or CB2, mlb
6. dont go back to RG3

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097200]I know we all hate on Haslett. But what is he suppose to do when these dummies are busting a basic cover 2?[/quote]

i thought haslett should have been canned a while ago and i do have some sympathy for him in terms of clark or amerson just flat missing their assignments but ....

1. i think our FA approach of spending money on the pass rush and not so much the secondary was in part due to haslett's wish to "get after the qb and everything else will take care of itself" ... haslett is absolutely to blame for us not being able to get to the QB.

2. he is a below average coach at best. good coaches can get more out of less or deal with injuries or mask weaknesses.

he has had some good games but overall he must go.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097200]I know we all hate on Haslett. But what is he suppose to do when these dummies are busting a basic cover 2?[/quote]

It's also not his fault when the offense can only put up 3 points after the defense gets three turnovers. I still think he needs to go, but that alone is not going to solve the problems the team has.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097200]I know we all hate on Haslett. But what is he suppose to do when these dummies are busting a basic cover 2?[/quote]

Haslett has an extensive body of work that says "I am a mediocre DC". That's why he should go if we can get someone who is significantly better.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1097209]It's also not his fault when the offense can only put up 3 points after the defense gets three turnovers. I still think he needs to go, but that alone is not going to solve the problems the team has.[/quote]

I don't think people realize how the offense and defense play hand in hand. If we go up even 17-0 early with those turnovers. It changes the whole game for our defense.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1097194]Before even thinking of replacing Gruden I would hope that higher management will wait to see if the team will play hard for him the rest of the way. To me, that's a key factor in allowing him to continue as HC.

As for the ability of the players, some of that can be addressed with personnel changes in the offseason but right now Gruden needs to get a solid team effort out of the current players the rest of the way.

If he does, I would hope that he will have earned another season as HC. If he doesn't, it wouldn't bother me in the least if he were to be fired.[/quote]

This is what I've been trying to say. You nailed it.

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[quote]“I saw they had a guy play bump and run on DeSean [Jackson] with a safety, not much help” Gruden said. “So I decided on a play-action pass and launch it to DeSean and try to get it. I got a little greedy. That’s all I can say and we blew the protection.” [/quote]


Wow...we blew the protection? Is this fcking clown serious? You can't play action and expect Morris et al to protected when they overload one side and send he house. He sounds like RG3. No wonder nobody takes responsibility or is held accountable!

Get this garbage ass mofo out of here!

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I just found out that Gruden has a fully guaranteed 5-year contract (for some incomprehensible reason since he's a rookie coach), so I think we should all forget about the possibility of his getting fired at the end of the season. It would be bad business.

On the other hand, I would guess that the probability that The Turk will be visiting some assistant coaches at the end of this season is nearing 100%.

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[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1097080]Hello straw man! Nobody said Trent was the problem.[/QUOTE]


The entire first paragraph of your post was all about TW being a problem. Lol


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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1097195]Think he's relatively heavily involved in the draft process and "internal evaluations" whatever that means



As for Jay Gruden, I don't have the stats to back it up but I think that rookie coaches who struggle early on but turn it around usually do it for the next team they coach[/QUOTE]


Maybe, but i would imagine its because they arent given a real chance to prove themselves, no?


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[quote=saden1;1097215]Wow...we blew the protection? Is this fcking clown serious? You can't play action and expect Morris et al to protected when they overload one side and send he house. He sounds like RG3. No wonder nobody takes responsibility or is held accountable!

Get this garbage ass mofo out of here![/quote]

he sd the TE was responsible with the tackle fanning out to help ... and he took full responsibility for the call - switching it from a run to pass after the colts took a timeout.

he couldnt have been more responsible or accountable if you listen to his post-game presser.


im feel like im in the twillight zone ... are fans really calling to fire a first year head coach who came into this shit show of an organization .. a first year head coach who seems to have a pretty lethal passing attack with JAG qbs as long as RG3 isnt under center ....

6 sacks = problem

49 pts against = problem

insurmountable holes in roster = problem

392 passing yards, 3 tds no ints = not the problem

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[quote=Chico23231;1097179]I hear ya. But if we are reaching on your example like that...then thats a major problem where the GM and scouts are not on the same page.

[B]Its time for Bruce to leave the personel game. He needs to check out and go to team Pres. Time to bring in a guy who not afraid to tell Snyder and his Lacky Posse how to run an organization[/B][/quote]

You are correct. But as mredskins said, it is doubtful that Snyder would hire such a person. I would add that it is doubtful the Allen would allow this.

By overstepping his expertise, in my mind Bruce has gone from ray of sunshine to central tumor.

I realize that having a real GM is not a magic bullet. But our current way has not worked.

As for Gruden, the subject of the thread, it would be unfair to can him after one season, given the other stuff that has gone on.

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[quote=over the mountain;1097220]he sd the TE was responsible with the tackle fanning out to help ... and he took full responsibility for the call - switching it from a run to pass after the colts took a timeout.

he couldnt have been more responsible or accountable if you listen to his post-game presser.


im feel like im in the twillight zone ... are fans really calling to fire a first year head coach who came into this shit show of an organization .. a first year head coach who seems to have a pretty lethal passing attack with JAG qbs as long as RG3 isnt under center ....

6 sacks = problem

49 pts against = problem

insurmountable holes in roster = problem

392 passing yards, 3 tds no ints = not the problem[/quote]

He didnt take responsibility, he blamed the failure on the player when in fact he was out coached all game long. That sort of play call gets you fired, especially when you can't covert 3rd and 4th downs. If RG3 is lacking in fundamentals Gruden is too. He is so deficient in so many ways...can't call plays...can't convert 3rd downs, can't score in the redzone...the skins weren't this bad last year and we can't blame RG3 since he is not on the field anymore.

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[quote=saden1;1097241]He didnt take responsibility, he blamed the failure on the player when in fact he was out coached all game long. That sort of play call gets you fired, especially when you can't covert 3rd and 4th downs. If RG3 is lacking in fundamentals Gruden is too. He is so deficient in so many ways...can't call plays...can't convert 3rd downs, can't score in the redzone...the skins weren't this bad last year and we can't blame RG3 since he is not on the field anymore.[/quote]

I thought we had to go for it there,” Gruden said. “Originally, I had a nice inside power play called, and then when they took the timeout, I saw they lined up and I saw they had a guy play bump and run on DeSean [Jackson] with a safety — not much help. So, I decided on a play-action pass and launch it to DeSean and try to get it. [B]I got a little greedy. [/B]That’s all I can say, and we blew the protection.”

“Our tight end should’ve fanned out there [blocking Walden], our tackle should’ve fanned out there [blocking Werner],” the coach explained. “They both should’ve went out to help. It didn’t happen though. It was unfortunate. It was a big play in the game, though. That’s for sure. Should’ve caught it. [B]Shouldn’t have run it. Should have done something other than what I did[/B].”

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/11/30/jay-gruden-regrets-fourth-and-inches-call-that-backfired/]Jay Gruden regrets fourth-and-inches call that backfired - The Washington Post[/url]

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The 4th down play where McCoy got blind-sided, I don't know if Jackson was open but it looked like Paul was wide open on a crossing route. Is that on the coach? Or is it on the TE who blew the protection? I'm sure they've practiced and ran that play many times. Sorry but I can't blame the coach on that cause his players are too stupid to know their assignments. This is what really bad football teams do. Blow their assignments and have mental errors.

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you call a play. The players do not block. What are you supposed to do as a play caller? Assume they won't do what you practiced and planned?

Now, different question: why did the guys blow the blocks? Bad preparation? Bad onfield communication? Something the other team did to throw off our guys? What?

SOunds to me like we've got to simplify things, until we get our shit together. And that means we can't do as much as we'd like. And that means people will be calling Gruden conservative and timid.

Here's my view of the offense and the coaching: the system works fine, even with Colt, the no-armed bandit. We need a better o-line: draft and FA next season. And we need to fix our prep and communication issues. Most likely, that comes with keeping a system in place and working hard to perfect it. And that means keeping Gruden. Plus, there's no one better in the wings, to be sure. Stick with it.

Haslett, on the other hand, has been here five awful years. Time to clean house there. Please.

Oy.

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One of the biggest places I would like to see improvement in the offseason is special teams. I don't know how you can get so many penalties on ST. The Skins have the 3rd worst average starting position for drives. Before the Offense even makes it onto the field they are in a hole.

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[quote=saden1;1097241]He didnt take responsibility, he blamed the failure on the player when in fact he was out coached all game long. That sort of play call gets you fired, especially when you can't covert 3rd and 4th downs. If RG3 is lacking in fundamentals Gruden is too. He is so deficient in so many ways...can't call plays...can't convert 3rd downs, can't score in the redzone...[B]the skins weren't this bad last year[/B] and we can't blame RG3 since he is not on the field anymore.[/quote]

I don't think we were watching the same team, the last time the Skins didn't look like a dumpster fire was from the second half of 2012.

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[quote=over the mountain;1097220]im feel like im in the twillight zone ... are fans really calling to fire a first year head coach who came into this shit show of an organization .. a first year head coach who seems to have a pretty lethal passing attack with JAG qbs as long as RG3 isnt under center ....

6 sacks = problem

49 pts against = problem

insurmountable holes in roster = problem

392 passing yards, 3 tds no ints = not the problem[/quote]Amen. It doesn't take McCoy playing lights out, to prove RG3 isn't getting it done. It takes McCoy playing better than RG3, that proves RG3 isn't getting it done. Which happened last game.

I watch Griffin play, and keep anticipating he will fire off a rocket pass that a receiver may have to make a great play reaching up and getting, but will catch in stride for big yardage. Or run circles around ends and linebackers and make great plays. But it's not happening. Had that wonderful stretch to end 2012, inconsistent from injury but still happened some in 2013. He's still regressing in 2014. Time to set aside nostalgia and play the better QB.

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Media reports already saying the team will part with RG after the season.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1097259]Media reports already saying the team will part with RG after the season.[/quote]

Link???

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[quote=Rotten1980;1097259]Media reports already saying the team will part with RG after the season.[/quote]

I have no reason to trust such a media report a month before the season is over and firm decisions are made.

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Gruden - same message every press- We have to coach these guys up...... I say lets hold the everyone accountable. (Can't fire owner, damn), Allen needs to go away from personal discisions, if he had a different last name he would've been fired, Haz - gone - go back to 4-3 defense, OC - gone, I give Gruden 1 more year, if no change - gone or demote to OC, dead beat/awful players - gone. Gruden - Oline is okay...whats he smoking......

So sick of this, In Madden I excel with the current players.......

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[quote=mredskins;1097260]Link???[/quote]

[url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-report-redskins-to-part-with-robert-griffin-iii-after-season-20141130-story.html]Report: Redskins to part with Robert Griffin III after season - Chicago Tribune[/url]

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If we can't trade him him I'd keep and make him ride the pine until his contract is up....

[quote=Rotten1980;1097263][url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-report-redskins-to-part-with-robert-griffin-iii-after-season-20141130-story.html]Report: Redskins to part with Robert Griffin III after season - Chicago Tribune[/url][/quote]

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I don't want to debate the point anymore, but still believe the talent level of this team is higher than some skeptics.

Looking at offense the skill positions are loaded with talent, I mean shit a game manager type QB should be able to put up big numbers. The oline is a disaster and the offense overall is unprepared, undisciplined and poorly coached. Just my opinion but I think offense has played about 50% its potential.

Defensively, the front seven is barely above average, the secondary well below average, but this is the unit that's played some strong games. Haslett has to go still.

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Get Griffin away from here as fast as possible. Period. Beyond the poor play is the perma-drama he brings....full separation is needed.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1097268]I don't want to debate the point anymore, but still believe the talent level of this team is higher than some skeptics.

Looking at offense the skill positions are loaded with talent, [B]I mean shit a game manager type QB should be able to put up big numbers.[/B] The oline is a disaster and the offense overall is unprepared, undisciplined and poorly coached. Just my opinion but I think offense has played about 50% its potential.

Defensively, the front seven is barely above average, the secondary well below average, but this is the unit that's played some strong games. Haslett has to go still.[/quote]

my mind is ready to explode right now.

am i being trolled right now?

We quite literally just put up 392 passing yards less than 24 hours ago with a game manager type QB.

a game manager type QB put up 283 yds and 2 tds against the no. 1 defense in Seattle.

a game manager type QB put up 354 yds on the cardinal D.

a game manager QB put up 427 yds and 3 tds on division rival eagles.

excluding RG3 games, no game manager QB has thrown for less than 250 yds in any game this season.

with game managing QBs we are ranked 10th in passing. let that sink in.

I can only imagine we would be higher if we didnt have to count RG3's last 2 games (106 and 207 = both season lows)

yes our W-L doesnt look good. the team doesnt look good period.

this coach has found a way to get career numbers from game managers ... and he has fans criticizing him for not generating career numbers from game managers? i must be getting rick rolled

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And they're getting those numbers with a pretty weak o-line, especially in straight drop-back pass pro. Imagine if we could block a second or two longer on play action passes? Or hold blocks against the blitz for a second more? We might actually pick up a few 3rd and longs...

I feel ok with keeping Gruden and the offensive staff, given the way the O has performed with non-stellar QB play. The D is underperforming, in my opinion, though they clearly need a talent upgrade at a number of spots. So better coaches and schemes, better players.

Look, it's a long haul. My view: keep Gruden; new D staff; get some friggin talent evaluators!

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[QUOTE=mooby;1097256]I don't think we were watching the same team, the last time the Skins didn't look like a dumpster fire was from the second half of 2012.[/QUOTE]


Thank you. I thought I had imagined that we went 3-13 last year.


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[quote=over the mountain;1097271]my mind is ready to explode right now.

am i being trolled right now?

We quite literally just put up 392 passing yards less than 24 hours ago with a game manager type QB.

a game manager type QB put up 283 yds and 2 tds against the no. 1 defense in Seattle.

a game manager type QB put up 354 yds on the cardinal D.

a game manager QB put up 427 yds and 3 tds on division rival eagles.

excluding RG3 games, no game manager QB has thrown for less than 250 yds in any game this season.

with game managing QBs we are ranked 10th in passing. let that sink in.

I can only imagine we would be higher if we didnt have to count RG3's last 2 games (106 and 207 = both season lows)

yes our W-L doesnt look good. the team doesnt look good period.

this coach has found a way to get career numbers from game managers ... and he has fans criticizing him for not generating career numbers from game managers? i must be getting rick rolled[/quote]

Chill out girl! And back away from the edge lol!

The only offensive rank that matters is points, and we're 22nd I believe. But many of those were garbage points just like we saw yesterday. Gruden's offense hasn't been able to capitalize on turnovers, good field position etc. Basically it looks like a pile of horseshit in the first half.

He gets the benefit of the doubt up to this point, but now with McCoy taking all the reps things need to get sharper. If it doesn't happen I don't think anybody should fault Snyder for axing Gruden end of season, most teams would.

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[quote=Rotten1980;1097279]Chill out girl! And back away from the edge lol!

The only offensive rank that matters is points, and we're 22nd I believe. But many of those were garbage points just like we saw yesterday. Gruden's offense hasn't been able to capitalize on turnovers, good field position etc. Basically it looks like a pile of horseshit in the first half.

He gets the benefit of the doubt up to this point, but now with McCoy taking all the reps things need to get sharper. If it doesn't happen I don't think anybody should fault Snyder for axing Gruden end of season, most teams would.[/quote]

man that axe sharp as a motherf*****

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Why does everyone keep saying garbage time when we were only down 2 scores going into the 4th?

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[quote=Rotten1980;1097279]Chill out girl! And back away from the edge lol!

The only offensive rank that matters is points, and we're 22nd I believe. But many of those were garbage points just like we saw yesterday. Gruden's offense hasn't been able to capitalize on turnovers, good field position etc. Basically it looks like a pile of horseshit in the first half.

He gets the benefit of the doubt up to this point, but now with McCoy taking all the reps things need to get sharper. If it doesn't happen I don't think anybody should fault Snyder for axing Gruden end of season, most teams would.[/quote]

or you could say that the half time adjustments on offense were spot on. I didn't see many garbage points on Sunday. Maybe the last field goal?

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[quote=Rotten1980;1097279]Chill out girl! And back away from the edge lol!

The only offensive rank that matters is points, and we're 22nd I believe. But many of those were garbage points just like we saw yesterday. Gruden's offense hasn't been able to capitalize on turnovers, good field position etc. Basically it looks like a pile of horseshit in the first half.

He gets the benefit of the doubt up to this point, but now with McCoy taking all the reps things need to get sharper. If it doesn't happen I don't think anybody should fault [B]Snyder for axing Gruden end of season, most teams would.[/B][/quote]

Except really successful organizations like the modern day Patriots or Giants. And to go back a little Bill Walsh's 49ers and Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys did not fire their coach their first year.

And what has probably been the most successful organization since the Super Bowl was invented, the Pittsburg Steelers never fire their coach, even when their entire fan base/the media is trying to convince them to. They seem to understand patience.

But Washington is not a successful organization like the ones mentioned above so you will probably get what you want and then next year when the new head coach is in the same position as Gruden he will get fired as well. I would say the Skins are as bad as the Raiders but at least they made the Super Bowl this past century.

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A game manager type QB is all you need IF you have a good OL..a good RB..a good GAME PLAN and most important a GREAT DEFENSE!!..we have the QB,RB and no D..and Im not sure about the game plan..you guys tell me!

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[quote=donofriose;1097297]Except really successful organizations like the modern day Patriots or Giants. And to go back a little Bill Walsh's 49ers and Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys did not fire their coach their first year.

And what has probably been the most successful organization since the Super Bowl was invented, the Pittsburg Steelers never fire their coach, even when their entire fan base/the media is trying to convince them to. They seem to understand patience.

But Washington is not a successful organization like the ones mentioned above so you will probably get what you want and then next year when the new head coach is in the same position as Gruden he will get fired as well. I would say the Skins are as bad as the Raiders but at least they made the Super Bowl this past century.[/quote]

Giants or Patriots would. Gruden is no Jimmy Johnson.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1097286]Why does everyone keep saying garbage time when we were only down 2 scores going into the 4th?[/quote]

RG3 used to have good stats but because we lost everyone called it garbage time. that's why

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[QUOTE=Rotten1980;1097279]Chill out girl! And back away from the edge lol!



The only offensive rank that matters is points, and we're 22nd I believe. But many of those were garbage points just like we saw yesterday. Gruden's offense hasn't been able to capitalize on turnovers, good field position etc. Basically it looks like a pile of horseshit in the first half.



He gets the benefit of the doubt up to this point, but now with McCoy taking all the reps things need to get sharper. If it doesn't happen I don't think anybody should fault Snyder for axing Gruden end of season, most teams would.[/QUOTE]


RG-3 put up 6,7,and 13 points in three of his starts. Thats going to bring down the curve alittle bit. You and Gary need to relax. There is nooooo waaaay in hell that Gruden is getting canned after this year is up. Not even the slightest chance.


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